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The true story of the Kelly Gang Armour | Did it work? Who made it?
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- The Kelly Gang armour is an Australian icon - but how was it made? Subscribe to ABC Science UA-cam 👉 ab.co/2YFO4Go
Legend has it, it was made over a stringy bark log by the gang themselves, but historians and blacksmiths say all the evidence points to it being done by a professional blacksmith in a forge.
In this 2003 story from ABC TV’s Catalyst program we finally find out the truth, as history meets science. It follows the armour of Joe Byrne, Ned Kelly’s second in command, on a journey of discovery from Glenrowan to the ANSTO’s nuclear reactor in Sydney. There a team of scientists and historians finally shed some light on how the famous armour was made.
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I like this man. He owns a piece of priceless armor and lets people see, touch, and wear it. Not keeping it behind a piece of glass just to look at.
@Leathley especially documents, like the declaration of Independence, the ink is fading day by day
@@SgawCules they do restoration on the declaration of Independence constantly dude. all the ink has pretty much been replaced by now :')
Do it in my country and some retard will steal it.
@Oliver Eales *normal european people
I'll be honest i cringed every time I saw someone touch the armour with their bare skin, human skin contains some nasty acidic oils that can destroy steel, it takes a lot of work to clean those oils off the metal and seal the metal against moisture and oxygen
Why does the opening of this video look like something from 1986?
Justin E. L. H because it was
eh Australia's a little bit behind, we're still really looking forward to the opening of ghost busters this weekend.
Same here at Cabin Creek , W.Va., Gabriel Askew , we are way behind times ! Although we may be a little farther than y’all , Crocodile Dundee , part 2 opens this weekend here in the mountains !!!! DAMN , me and my sister , oops I mean wife can’t wait to go !!! LMAO !!!
It from 2003
Because ABC
“Expert blacksmith”. Surely its almost impossible to make a more crude piece of armor than this lol
yep, heck I could do a better job than that in a bush forge, (it helps I know how to build a proper bush forge and am a trained black smith)
@@crwydryny Yes but are you a trained outlaw on the run from the cops who are trying to kill you while you're making it?
Yeah, literally just hammered steel with some bolts
Try forming metal to any shape you like and you'll see it's not as simple as you think
@@Tyguy161 I can bend a spoon pretty easy! Surely bullet proof steel is just as easy!
"wow this armour is so mysterious I wonder how it was made" well the fact it's made of steel plates and has bolts holding it together should have been a hint
If that steel is hardened it would need to be heated, to bend it.
scotch fueled......the question is who made it and where,maybe over a few scotches eh
After all that science they decided it’s made from steel available to them at that time. WELL DER.
John Sweeney When he said that, I went well for fucks sake you don’t say??
Nope. Aliens!
😂
I’ve got a PHD and could have worked that one out. Piss , Hardy , Drunk.🍺🤪
That pun game was strong
I was making similar pieces in my garage with an oak tree stump, a hammer and portable gold rush era forge.
Sure it would have been a real pain to make but I think the armor's appearance gives that away...
In primary school we made our own Ned Kelly armour out of cardboard and ran around throwing rocks at each other to test it out.
Never get away with that today.
Simpler times.
Less children with concussions though.
Nah we still do that mate
@@yaboi-km2qn ugg
@@yaboi-km2qn it's called natural selection, snowflake. Something we desperately need to bring back.
Yup, Dad sent me to school with a wheeties box on my head for dress up day.
Can we just appreciate that there's people and machines that can tell how hot a piece of steel got 100 years ago?
@anonymous one it's not brain surgery
@ArmchairWarrior it's rocket leage
It's not like making a woman orgasm, it's just armor
Don’t worry it’s simple. Judge by color. Red is 1800ish F, orange is 2000ish F, and white is 2300ish F.
Oh there is more. With more testing you can determine the microstructure of the steel and determine not only how hot it was but also how quickly it was cooled.
It actually is rocket science pretty much
We blasted it with a nuclear reactor and found out it was made from steel available in the time it was made, is probably the biggest waste of a nuclear reactor I've ever seen.
Most definitely overkill. A small piece or even a small amount of filings could have been analysed at a steelworks laboratory where identification is being performed all the time.
As a blacksmith myself I can see that it wasn't done by a professional smith without having to watch the video. It would have been much more shapely and better fitted for the wearer because moving the metal would have been far easier with a coal forge
I've only ever seen the typical battle armour that knights and samurai wore, as cool as it is this looks like it was made by a wookie
@@BoxLaneProductions Battle armour was hand made by highly skilled armorourers. Their work was unbelievable given they did not have steels that were malleable and ductils per today's products.
Suddenly this video from 2003 (uploaded in 2015) is in everyone's recommended. Nice work, algorithm.
well to be fair I do watch a lot of historical warfare videos, HEMA videos, and science videos.... so I can see why youtube recommended it to me
I do the same but mine came up because a mysterious Kelly song earlier
Reprter: ''Should we find out how it was made, wouldn't it be better to leave it as mystery's and myths?'' What a question coming from the person who is making the film about the fact that it being tested and that is what is of interest!
Title - "Did it work?"
*Armored car opens, revealing helmet with holes shot through it.
Me - "No, no it did not."
Oh no it did
It worked pretty well
A lot of the bullet damage was done by the police after the siege was over, testing how well it worked against their firearms.
You can make a forge with a
hole in the ground and forced air. I find it completely probable it was made in the bush.
Of course it was. Rocket stove.
As an Englishman I have nothing but respect for ned Kelly . I love Australia and Australians, great people , thank you all for your brave lads throughout history . Real men .
Whilst I agree with you, you should be aware that your statement is in somewhat poor taste. Historically we don't exactly share the same sentiment towards Englishmen, we have witnessed you as tax collectors, prison wardens, monarchists supporting a crown that didn't extend a citizens protections or rights to us, but demanded sacrifice and servitude all the same. Our soldiers outright refused to salute English officers during the great wars because of how they behaved, how they treated human lives. I can't speak for others, and certainly not for the dead, but I'd respectfully prefer it if you kept your thanks, at least for me.
@@00Discourse00 I agree with everything you have said , however without the lads coming forward not only from Australia but the empire at the time the world would be a much different place , those lads fought like lions and for that and my freedom now I thank them all .
Ben. The Kellys were thugs and murderers; much like the those who murdered police at Wieambilla QLD in recent weeks. Talk of their personal struggle for rights against injustice just doesn't cut the mustard. We have a strange national naivety in romanticizing our history. Mass hostage taking, such as Glenrowan or the Lindt cafe in Sydney, whether for politics, terrorism or criminal gain, is still an appalling act of abuse, threatening unarmed and powerless people with firearms.
@@00Discourse00 "our soldiers outright refused to salute English officers during the great wars".... where did that myth come from?
@@phillipsmith6756 Australia was a penal colony, the staff who ran it where a thousand times worse than the unfortunates sent there .
The police were seriously corrupt and took pleasure in torturing the folk who lived there years after the colony closed .
They fought back , killing police at that was no more a crime than killing vermin . I have not one tear or thought for the "law and authority" at that time and I have little for them now .
The Kelly's were no more thugs and murderers than the scum that started it .
If ned was alive he would be in stitches laughing that one of the armoured suits been delivered in a 🔐 security van that he would of robbed if he was still with us. Love from 🇮🇪
Why would he have robbed it? It had no money in it
@@davgpol because it had his armor in it
would have, not would of
@@TheLumberjack1987 lol, he meant to say "would've", but spelled it phonetically.
This must have been the inspiration for the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Craig Savarese exactly my thoughts
Or maybe they just used a great helm for inspiration. Y'know, just a thought.
Your arm is gone
@@toddwebb7521 tis but a flesh wound
Craig Savarese nah, Monty Python’s inspiration was a Great Helm.
I thought they were gonna make a copy and shoot at it, very dissapointed!
What, actual ballistics testing? That requires scary bang sticks, cant have those on the news. It'd frighten the children.
Lol why bother you can tell the first 2 rounds that hit is passed through easily. Just look at it.
It's Australia, they threw all their guns into the sea....
Why? The original worked just fine
@@davgpol With the high powered firearms of today, most cartridges would almost certainly go straight through that hunk of metal.
very interesting , and well done to the owner for letting the tests take place.
Historic armor
Gets sent to nuclear reactor
What's your point?
@@grumpy2606 its funny
I thought they were going to test it against a blast.
@@bloodking73 How is it funny?
The logic is trough the roof
i gotta admit, adding the phrase 'they even made their own armor to fight in their last stand' would be pretty badass especially if it worked and the armor protected them from the shots
no professional armorer would have made something so crude-looking!
Sorry what?
I don't understand what you're saying
I don't know about that? I doubt they would've had the luxury to give it finer finishings even if it was in a professional shop. Plus some blacksmiths like the heavy duty look.
Where others would have touched those armor pieces like egg shells, those dudes basically went like "oi mate, want to stick your mug in a piece of history?". I'm somewhere between wincing at the rough handling of it (iron/steel and fingerprints don't go well together) and smiling because of how much fun they have interacting with this armor.
It’s a suit of haphazardly forged armor made out in the boonies. It’ll be fine
If you would like to gander at ancient antique junk I've got a whole house full but you must handle each piece with gloves like it actually is priceless. Hurry before the fire.
3:25 it gets pretty hot when I’m in the Bush I tell you. But seriously that’s bushcraft alright
i remember my primary school teacher saying her grandfather helped made ned kelly's armour.
if you are still alive mrs Trafford have a good day
i think she said a blacksmith melted down old horse shoes and gardening tools to make the armour
@@athiefinthenight6894 Which is false
@@Blaster-po5ou stfu you know as much as i do and unless you where there at the time or a qualified scientist with 100% certainty don't correct people with something you are not even sure on
@@athiefinthenight6894 This is literally a video of scientists saying with 100% certainty that this isnt the case
@@gravygames5945 this is not ned kelly's armour its joe burn's there is a difference. And Science can be wrong.
So, I got 23 seconds into this video and was compelled to point out the spelling on the Armoured Van. (ARMERD TRANSPORT). Would you trust your valuables to this company?
Lmfao ah must be french😂😂😂😂💀💀💀
And then proceed to load it into the back of a VT commodore wagon?
@@tracetassie4637 Why would it be in French?
@@dmjaxun9848 say armerd in a french accent
@@dmjaxun9848 you never seen a christmas story?
classic youtube, recommending a video years after it was uploaded
Deontay wilder’s walkout suit
Till this day
He wouldn't have made out of the locker room
Ouch lol. Hope hes got an armor codpiece because that was below the belt! Hehe
More than 40 pounds man
Nice one
Doesn't it being made by a bunch of gangsters make it cooler?
Still trash
cdcopper flat earth.. tide pod challenge... sjw... « the moon doesn’t exist » .. « mountains are tree stumps »
«magic rocks cure cancer »...
Are you really surprised? It’s far from being the most stupid thing i ve heard.
they wernt gangsters...
Remember when the ABC was good and did actually decent programming?
Priceless peice of history..... rolling around in the floor of the van
Imagine how proud Ned would have been knowing that his amour is a huge part of our nations history
Coincidentally i was talking to a new associate yesterday and we were talking about our family history. Her family history was from Daylesford like mine. She claims that her one of her great grandfather's not sure how many generations ago was a blacksmith in Daylesford and his claim to fame was making Ned Kelly's armour in his blacksmith shop in Daylesford. She didn't know how true it is but that's there family story handed down through the generations. So I hope this keeps the mystery alive." SUCH IS LIFE ."
@knife I have been doing some research and the family name I was given was one of the names police and historians mention. I'm not willing to give the name as I don't have permission from the person or family members of the person or persons involved. I'm not saying this is factual information just a coincidental conversation I had the day before I saw this clip.
@@chrisalbrecht1297 however you're here noting yourself without being accountable WTF ?
@@scarto3887 A bit more cryptic for you mate. His name starts surname starts with a C ends in a h and he was a black Smith in the Beechworth area before moving to Daylesford. He then owned the local gig, then his son became a black Smith also. And he may and I say may. Have taught Ned how to make a Bush forge demonstrated and taught the Ned and the lads how to armour up. Like I said a reputable source. And if you cannot give me a name in the next 48 hours. You are a oxygen theife. No offence but I just gave you the name. Take care. Enjoy some actual research.
@@chrisalbrecht1297 You have your bragging rights mixed up with your arse.Don't believe all that you read
Well my family history has it that my forebear was a blacksmith in Benalla, right next door to the police station. The cops found his maker's mark on some of the armour and accused him of making it. He protested his innocence and other blacksmiths were able to show the police that the armour had not been made over a smithies forge. As my relative no doubt said "Why would I put my mark on something like that and have made it right here next-door to your police station????"
No doubt his mark was on one or more of the plow shares used in the armour and had not been damaged by the Kelly Gang when making their armour.
The True History of the Ned Kelly Gang movie brought me here. I found this an interesting bit of Australian history.
Definitely adding to the story!
Genuinely interesting, thanks
“I dedicated my right leg to the gang”
If you didn’t know the context, someone hearing that would have thought that he had his leg cut off.
Always found it bizarre that the Kelly gang were the only out law gang to make body armor, I mean they still lost in the end but they went down fighting and Ned even survived in it but had his legs shot to hell.
one of my closest friends is descendant from joe byrne. so awesome that he wore iconic armour too
"It's not often scientists get a chance to take a piece of Australian history into the lab" ... uh, well, yeah that's actually kind of what scientists do ...
well to be fair australia doesn't have a lot of history to take into the lab
@@crwydryny I am sure there must be a few bits of history strewn about the place, I understand it's fairly spaceous. And let's not so hastily disregard the untold millenia of aboriginal history either =.O
@@crwydryny From the pov of an American like me, I'm beginning to wonder what other history Australia has besides this. They've got the Ned Kelly museum, the Ned Kelly restaurant, the Ned Kelly family home historical site, scientific testing on the Ned's armour. Naturally the US has outlaws in its history, but none around whom the entire national narrative gravitates.
@@TheWaggishAmerican at least 60,000 years of it, you seppo clown
$20 it was made in the bush!
And I was right I know what a stone anvil mark looks like
La dee da. You're so smart. Or skipped ahead. Dumbass
The Symbol of bravery,mateship and freedom.
Ned Kelly gave up his mate Harry Power and arranged the murder of Aaron Sherritt, another mate. You are delusional.
WHAT?! It was made with metal from the 19th century???!? And it was made by the amateur blacksmith in the Kelly gang?!? the techniques we’ve lost it brings a tear to me eyes. This is a discovery science will speak of for generations to come!
I can only guess the depth of streaming hours I must have sunk to in order to pop this on my recommended in 2020...
"No one knows just how it was made"
Presumably a hammer?
I managed to heat a metal fire poker to white hot, in a domestic pot belly stove. I'm certain people could easily achieve similar results using rocks to create a forge. If there's any granite around the area, there would likely be flat sheets available, too.
How did they find every clueless Australian at that party to comment how the god awful armor was made by an “expert blacksmith” WTF?
It looks like a pile of shite. Needs must sorta way.
It's hilarious anyone would think an expert blacsmith would make that
Have they ever seen a real suit of armour?
you managed to tell us absolutely nothing that we didn't already know
I didn’t know!
Exactly my thoughts on who made the armour
It's even more legendary now
Gotta love Stevo, dropping trou for the camera to honour the Kelly gang. That's pretty Aussie.
The 80's called. It wants its video back.
JS having a party around a suit of armor worn by a murderer and outlaw is a bit unsettling....
@Epoxygleu wait till you here about Australia Day
A huge public display with fires and fireworks in many places and displays in many domestic areas to celebrate the capture and public dismemberment of a man at odds with the system, long live Guy Fawlks night!!!.😀
You can't just stick an object on a stand and say to people look at it LMFAO someone has never been to a museum before 😂😂😂
Beating plow shares into suits of armor. Wild.
Fact: anyone who can heat metal and work it into anything functional can call themselves a blacksmith. Thus, it was made by a blacksmith.
As a man in my twenties as well, I've gotta say I'd be absolutely bewildered, slightly amused and very disappointed that such a footnote item in my life had been treated as such a sacred relic by my kin, the kin of my enemies, and even the kin of onlookers for hundreds of years after my (arguably justified) murder. A man with a story, a life and circumstances, a personality and thoughts, reduced to a makeshift piece of repurposed scrap metal. What a tasteless joke.
Lol that's what I was thinking
Ned's descendant, 'Ned's' say is very plausible, that they used a tree trunk for a shapely model. They used to sit around fires, at least one of them had a blacksmith in the family and so lent some skill. T'is finely made: it might be the closest thing you will find of a knights armour here in Australia. Shapely and decorative Kings and Knights armour stayed behind in England and Europe, we don't hear of all that coming to Australia.
Would have pissed myself if half way through someone went, 'hang on a minute, somebody's scratched their name here...'
All these experts should try doing this in the same settings as they did .
And only Blacksmiths under 25 years of age
I'm a professional blacksmith and custom knife maker and I could have told them without all the fancy testing that it wasn't done by a blacksmith. If you know how to read steel you can see it. That steel never got forging hot. It was done by inexperienced hands in a hot wood fire.
There not plough blades sureley?? Those blades look about 8mm thick
Pretty easy for a beginner Smith to make something like this using a basic charcoal forge. Coal forges get way way hotter and yet with charcoal you can melt steel.
Its also not hard to silence an anvil so it doesn't ring and damage your hearing you just mount it properly by staking your anvil shaped object or anvil down onto a tree stump, if the anvil doesn't move it won't ring
Great legend.
the og madlad
“This wasn’t professionally made if I say so myself. I can do a better job than that… *scoff*”
Yes sorry, I didn’t realise the Kelly gang, being highly wanted outlaws and all, could’ve just walked into a professional blacksmith workstation and be like “we’re on the run but it’s ok we’re allowed to have a break. do you mind making full custom made suits? We want them to be professional and practical”
they say that It's not possible to heat the iron to yellow color (1000°C) In a bushforge. But I saw a guy who actually made a forge in the bushes without any modern tools and made his own iron tools in it. I also saw the iron was yellow when he did it.
"YOU'RE BLOODY BULLETPROOF BOYS!"
JJ Kenneally was told that the suits were built in the bush by Tom Lloyd jnr and Dan Kelly.
The difference between science and magic is, with magic learning the secret destroys the fun, with science learning the secret is the fun.
This is the most mad max thing I’ve ever seen (apart from mad max).
Everybody’s gangsta till people start aiming for the legs.
"Joe Byrne built this in the bush from scrap!" "I'm sorry. I'm not Joe Byrne."
As a blacksmith and without finishing the video yet (paused at 3:29) I highly doubt a blacksmith made it, it looks rushed, hastily made and slapped together.
A smith of the time would have been able to make a better set with his eyes closed.
Boom, I was right.
I'm a smith too, its pretty obvious really.
It's interesting, the bending would've been relatively easy at cherry red, but I wonder how much hot cutting they would've had to do. That would've been a right pain in the ass with a cold forge and no power tools...
Good ol Pete Denahy on the fiddle!!
The fact that the identity of any blacksmith or place of work has remained so unknown made me think it was more likely an amateur job.
How was it made?
Looks impossible to reverse engineer. I mean, what's it even made of? How is it joined together? It's a mystery.
It is not hard to make a forge, billows, containment. The magic of the neolithic
so a 'bush fire' with a good ember base and a hollow tube to interduce air to the coals riases the temp very quickly and yeah
i HIGHLY doubt that was made by a blacksmith. second month apprentice....MAYBE. there is no sign that whoever did the hammering had ever done anything but bend nails before. :) really grateful that there are folks out there in the world willing to let people get that close to history! cheers
Extra Credits: The kelly gang crafted the armor themselves
Most people: NO
2015: So we did some tests
I live in ireland near to fethard in tiperary and we have a show every year about him
Wow youtube you really got me this time.
Just before Ned Kelly's capture, he was known to have said "Alright, We'll call it a draw."
How did that Commodore make it from glen rowan to Sydney.
You had your expert blacksmiths who would have made horseshoes and all the complicated stuff. But that would cost.
Then, at that time, many farmers would have had a ranch hand who, although not exactly a blacksmith, could manage some basic stuff like heating and bending a simple bar to make a rudimentary gate latch or something. He was useful because he did it as part of his normal duties as need arose, often using a small farm forge for the purpose.
When people talk about a "blacksmith" making it (or helping the gang to make it), they probably mean someone like the relatively amateur ranch hand.
I mean, with no testing I can see cold hammering marks just at a glance
awesome
It would be a lot cooler if Australia actually existed and these werent paid actors.
*Australians:* nah, yeah, look at the craftsmanship! it had t'be a blacksmith, mate!
*literally everyone else:* areyousureaboutthat_cena.png
Also in 1898 in Fort Mercer at state of New Austin United States 4 people raided the fort accupied by a gang who was hooled up there by the marshals. Thees 4 people wore the armour and killed em all in there.
Wow!
For the suit to be used by NK around 1880 the original material must have been produced some time earlier. Steels of the time were very impure as there was no known way to refine better. The image from the electron microscope shows that there are lots of inclusions in the matrix. It would have made more sense to discuss the material with technical expertise from the steel industry who are very familiar with testing various steels and the iron this is more likely to be.
I vaguely remember a story of a bakery stove
I can see why people would think it was made by a blacksmith... The visors for the helmets look pretty good, for example. Turns out it's just a fairly impressive feat for some non-blacksmiths!
TrollHunter was a good movie, but this armor is the inspiration for the prop suit featured with a "Red Button".
i could tell just from the quality that it wasnt a blacksmith; this is near the turn of the century any established blacksmith would not let shoddy work like that leave shop
Ned also wore armour.
I recall reading years ago that the police were using Martini-Henry rifles on the Kelly gang. Any bullet hitting that armour is going to ring your bell. But, a .577 calibre, 480 grain bullet travelling 1,300 ft/sec... ouch!
Not surprisingly, Ned's face was swollen black and blue by the time they lifted his helmet off after apprehending him
I'm happy to know that the gang made their own armor 😉👍👍🇺🇸
This entire time, I'm saying to myself "IT'S SHEET METAL! IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO SHAPE IT!"