Great video. I'm a bassist who tends to play ahead of the beat at times. I've played with some excellent drummers who would accommodate and beautifully lay back a bit. Then before I knew it, they somehow managed to subtly recalibrate my push. Man, I love excellent drummers. A bass players brother in the groove.
Develop your own inner clock, stop leaning on the drummer. This is endemic in today's players. Check out Miles great quintet with Herbie, Ron and Tony. Nobody leaned on any body else. That's what made this group great.
@@victorparedes4863 I never said I didn't have an inner clock. When the adrenaline flows, I tend to push the beat a bit depending on the situation. And I have found that drummers who are great time keepers are able to make the adjustment to snap me right out of it. It goes both ways. I've righted drummers who are either lagging or a bit ahead of the beat also. It's called teamwork. Teammates pick each other up. A coach doesn't tell the player to just work on his end of it and let the rest of the players worry about their end of it. That's not what a team is, and that's not what a band does.
Excellent! See, the groove isn't everybody playing the exact same thing - it's FEELING the same thing. That requires a deep understanding of these small differences in timing. Great discussion by two real pros.
This was great. I got Greg's fundamentals class. I highly recommend it whether you're a novice or advanced. Just to hear from a pro. Also I want to say, the sound recording/mix on this video is stellar.
I wish I could find a drummer as good as this guy. He is so subtle, everything sounds beautiful. The amount of times I have to ask a drummer to tone it down on gigs. Do they not understand they play a LOUD instrument and that being a good drummer is not only about technique but also about control. Choosing the drums is like choosing a pit bull as a pet, not a bad thing per se, but if you don't train it properly it is going to f*** up the picnic!
This. Especially as a singer, your overtones (the sound quality) often get blocked by drummers playing too much rides or at the wrong moments. We and the audience need the high frequencies above singing range to always recalibrate not only the pitch (that should work on its own) but the expression too and we're only able to do that when the drummer leaves enough space. I don't care much what other instruments do (they can come in whenever they want) but I follow the base most and the drummer should listen to me, maybe even know my text and phrasing but also be in dialogue, pulling / pushing with the base. Leave some space goddammit :) If you can pull it off, you're awesome with brushes, hihat and snare alone :) you need the rides to control the lagging brass but not me :)
great discussion on "time". being a drummer i've heard too many times how I am the sole time keeper, but i see it more as the band is the time, everyone a touch ahead, behind or on the beat...then the bass and drums in their zone so the other layers can flow on top...thats what makes esp live music so cool....when the band is locked...thats when magic happens....
Exactly how I feel about it. If any of the other players lose the plot if the drums stop, they need to either up their game or be replaced. Everyone in the band should be able to retain the time in their head.
I LOVE Both Y'ALL. And you know I do. I'm desperately trying to teach this all over the world. Musicians looking at me crazy when I explain I need y'all to play RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. Period because I'm phrasing around the TEMPO. Now days I just send them these type UA-cam Clips. Thanks for this one. I'm all up on here looking for teaching tools. I don't play base or drums, but I sung with BOTH you guys so I know what tempo spoze to be like. LOL
As a drummer--for 55 years--the first place anyone in the band looks for a time issue is the drummer. This is in rock, jazz, any genre. But when playing jazz, I always tried to lock-in with bass player by placing the ride cymbals pattern a nano-second behind the bass player's "walk'. I was taught this is what creates that great swing tension. Been doing that since I learned it and it was a revelation. But I will struggle playing something like Jeep's Blues, which is so behind the beat it is like from last week...:) Great site, great job, great post. Thanks!
I loved every second of this video. These two guys are amazing. Did you notice how casual and cool they sound while discussing truly profound timekeeping concepts? Masters!
I was taught by a former big band drummer that the Bass always carries the tempo. I used that knowledge to form a trio of 2 guitars and a bass and it works well. Great post
I know a gold nugget when I see one, and this one is a keeper I’ll be coming back to again and again. Invaluable insight is what I take away. The musicianship skills these two guys bring to the table is where it’s at.
The point at 4:00 is phenomenal, and important to understand. When the drummer does that rapid walk with the high hats, it makes the bassist accelerate, sometimes to the point where the bass remains awkwardly ahead of the drums, and you end up with 1.5 rhythm sections, instead of exactly 1.0 rhythm section. Philosophically, I believe in having only one rhythm section, but that’s just me, because there’s no way to confuse the soloist. Giving me a fresh breath with crash cymbal, and centering me, is exactly what I want my drummer doing.
Great content in this video, and an even greater attention to detail and production value by Open Studio. Keep this level of excellence and you'll...well...the sky will be the limit. A true pleasure.
Thank you so much for putting these great teachers together and making them available to us. You are doing something important for the next generations of music
This is a delight. Bottom line is there are many different ways to groove between drums and bass (or different rhythm section configurations) the most important thing is to get on the same page with whomever you're playing with; sometimes that means literally talking thru it, and analyzing your groove together. You also have to have an awareness of your own feel in relation to the metronome.
I love his explanation of the concept or need to "recalibrate". That's a great way to explain the interplay and connection that needs to happen between them. Great video!
Who's in charge of tempo? The vocalist if you have one. If their phrasing is screwed up, the tempo is wrong. Instrumental yeah I'd say the drummer, if you have one. Anyways this was awesome. Learned lots, reaffirmed lots.
Great topic! Everyone in the group is responsible for knowing what the tempo IS, but without a solid drum/bass groove, no one will know where they can be/need to be in relation to the tempo. Trumpets laying back - saxes on top of the time - so long as the tempo is solid, it works.
That reinforces the need for everyone to be listening carefully to what's going on. If everyone is listening, you have a better chance of making it work.
Gold, just pure gold. Now anybody care to explain what Hutch says at the end? "Not talkin' about no ...... music, talkin' about real swing". As a foreigner, I don't know if he said "jewel" music as in rap and other computer beat stuff or if he said something else...
Greg has always been a serious and well-rounded force behind the kit not just swing rhythms, but his hip-hop approach played a major part in today's drumming low-key
Greg Hutchinson I hope do more videos with Christian McBride, because it helps me as a bass player how to play with a drummer. You Christian go through the great duos like Paul Chambers and Philly Jones, and etc.
Acoustic Sound !! The bass, which is not overly electrically amplified, naturally decays the sound produced by the air vibrations inside its wooden body. The drums, which are not excessively muted, spread not only the attack sound of hitting head but also the sustaining sound into the space. Many drummers these days play with large drum sets with an excessive number of tom-toms, but for me, this simple 3-piece set is just enough and there is nothing short of it.
I am not English native but this video both conversation and music is so interesting to me. It looks n sounds indicating something very much important . Great video!
I think the music controls who should take control of the tempo. There's a communication that happens between Bass and Drums. I learned that it has to breath... creating space...That example of Killer Joe is a great interpretation.
Man I love some Grady Tate. I don't think any Kool Kat Drummer was as totally relaxed as Grady....... Gents, this lesson is out of this world! Thanks and Blessings!
I have never heard of the bass being the keeper of tempo. I was always taught that the drums keep time. However, I have been put in the position, time after time, where I, as the bass player, had to keep the tempo. I have even gotten into physical altercations with drummers who couldn't keep time, to the point where I had to call them out, on the bandstand. That's one of my pet peeves: drummers who couldn't keep proper time. So, I pride myself on being a good timekeeper.
You are telling the truth on time, but…..I was on the gig with a singer, she was obviously out of her depth, and ended up throwing a fit on the stand to the point we had to walk outside the room to discuss. It took all the professional decorum I could muster to not walk out right there. She called back, but never again…..I hope you were kidding about physical altercation.
The amount of times I deliberately play just behind the beat to make a nice deep groove only to hear the drummer either slowing down or shifting to join me bang on, destroying the feel I'm trying to create, is infuriating
So here's the craziest part: both of their internal senses of rhythm are so solid that even when they stopped playing after McBride was trying to push, Hutch came right back in during his explanation both times IN TIME with what they were playing before, even after stopping to talk, explain, debate, etc....STILL IN! That's understanding time on the deepest level.
GREAT LESSON I ALWAYS HAVE BELIEVED THAT THE BASS IS THE FOUNDATION FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN MUSIC. BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER TO ALLOW SPACE FOR THE BASS TO BREATHE IN EVERY DIRECTION. THIS CAN ONLY BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE DRUMMER AND BASS PLAYER PLAYING THROUGH CHARTS BY THEMSELVES FOR HOURS UNTIL THEY ARE THINKING AND FEELING LIKE ONE. LIKE REACTING LIKE WATER OR AIR TO THEIR SURROUNDINGS!!! REMEMBER THAT IT IS OK TO PUSH AND PULL ON EACH OTHER. AS LONG AS YOU BOTH KNOW EACH OTHERS CAPABILITIES. YOU MUST BE FLUENT AND KNOW YOUR INSTRUMENT AND ALWAYS THINK AS ONE. THEN YOU CAN ADD THE REST OF THE RYTHUM SECTION ONE BY ONE!!! NOTHING LIKE A MACHINE THAT HUMMS WITH VERY LITTLE SHAKING!!!
It seems that when someone first listens to a musician, they are looking for the middle of the beats. I find that boring. I like to play back and then move it around to give it a more vinyl quality. I find that If the beat wobbles then it can help those booties to bounce and make you wonder. Fantastic conversation guys!
To me, when it comes to who's gonna play before/after the beat is a stylistical question. In straight ahead jazz the bass tends to push whereas the drums has a lot of freedom. In punk rock, everybody's ahead of the beat (WTF?), in prog metal everybody's on the beat, in lounge jazz the bass falls way behind, etc etc. Kinda fun to explore, what are the ingredients of a style.
So what im getting from this... it seems that the bass is more dictating the subdivisions and how much swing there is as opposed to the actual downbeat. Great vid by the way! Love the way you guys play. I saw a vid recently of a producer talking about the wave forms of drum and bass sounds and how different producer line them up different ways on the millisecond level. Its like wether or not to line up the beginning of the sound or its first volume peak with the other instruments in the mix in relation to the down beat. Either way i think the subtle discrepancies of perfect-imperfect rhythm are super important for all musicians and seldom talked about. Great job again!
"Some drummers think that 'they' are responsible for the time, such is NOT the case, you do it together and in fact, I believe the bass player is more the keeper of the flame when it comes to great time -- drummers get busy with their tom-tom fills, and their independence in drumming sometimes, it's up [to] the bassist to 'smooth things over' when tempo may vary." - Carol Kaye
Lennie Tristano who got really hung up about time once said to Paul Motian - who loved where Lennie was at - that his ‘fours’ sounded ‘like a drunk falling down the stairs’. I actually thought that was a compliment to PM, he had space it seemed to me. Tristano, who I dug, dictated time on the piano and Keith Jarrett later said that bugged him about Lennie’s playing; Lennie always playing right on the beat.
❤❤Finally, the great musicians , talking about ,how to create good rhythm and swinging bass & drums. Thank you so much. In my opinion, good sound is when bass sits on the beat .It means not on the top of the beat but in the middle, with very strong pizzicato(attack) and swinging hi-hat and ride cymbal - "cutting on" the top of the beat -"faster". Good example - louis Hayes ,Art blakey many other ............. Otherwise the drummer feels , like he doesn't sits on his stool and loses balance, and it forces him to play on ride cymbal & hi-hat only, like Grady Tate said " putting the jujitsu move on Ray "(Oh Greatest Roy's Sound). When bassist plays on top of the beat(pushing) and drummer stop playing on his ride cymbal for a moment ,for to play on snare or toms , it sounds like, the drummer is out of rhythm and time... We need to find the golden middle. No need to fight on the stage, just listen each other. If bass and drums are together on top of the beat the temp will be accelerated.... of course, all this sounds like a theory, but everything should happen in real time and the most important thing is MUSIC ,FEELING ............. love and peace everybody❤
This is a timely video as I just started rehearsing with a bassist who really plays on top. It's a little unnerving but I have been trying to lay back a bit and let him push if he wants to. I try not to follow as that starts to impact on tempo. I think it's a matter of getting used to that feeling of being pulled along rather than me being the driving pulse.
Bass has the tempo by the balls at the end of the day. But everyone in the band is responsible for tempo no matter what, and can all influence it good or bad. The drummer also gets taste of tempo control on set ups and fills.
Bass can push a tempo or relax a tempo. Dynamics can relax a tempo & push it when necessary. wn bass is following vocalist or soloist is working, the base can push or drag
@@mikerobinson9030 agree with that too. an outstanding drummer gives the bass player some wiggle room in terms of their tempo and dynamics, because that means the drummer is listening closely.
@@stanvans3214 yes listening is a key element in all genres of music & even in a conversation. However, more often than not most people are poor listeners & a lot of good musicians are also poor listeners.
The old "Russian Dragon"... waxing and waining..I tell you what though.... here in Phoenix... Dave Cook was Solid as a rock....pushing that quarter note...along with Charles Lewis...he didn't move either..it was his way or no way..❤❤❤
I think the "drummer follows the bassist" thing is more about survival mode, getting through the gig without major issues, than it is about the high-level music making these guys are talking about. An inexperienced bassist playing a quarter-note walking bass line will probably keep steadier time than an inexperienced drummer.
Yeah, as a bass player for more than a decade, I started playing drums now, and I kind suck at staying on time lol, but it's mostly because I missjudge what I'm able to play, like the time to reach and hit the way I want, fills are a nightmare 😔
No matter what the drummer & bass player play there will always be a horn player complaining about it
Just finding a horn player who will play WITH you and not just noodle around, completely out of time, over the top can be difficult 😂
LOL.
@@joeyollie123All while telling you to “stay in time” lol
This was absolute gold. Hey @openstudio - could we get a whole course of these two just playing and talking?
Yea please!
Yes please!
Yes please
Yes!
plz
Great video. I'm a bassist who tends to play ahead of the beat at times. I've played with some excellent drummers who would accommodate and beautifully lay back a bit. Then before I knew it, they somehow managed to subtly recalibrate my push. Man, I love excellent drummers. A bass players brother in the groove.
Develop your own inner clock, stop leaning on the drummer. This is endemic in today's players. Check out Miles great quintet with Herbie, Ron and Tony. Nobody leaned on any body else. That's what made this group great.
@@victorparedes4863 I never said I didn't have an inner clock. When the adrenaline flows, I tend to push the beat a bit depending on the situation. And I have found that drummers who are great time keepers are able to make the adjustment to snap me right out of it. It goes both ways. I've righted drummers who are either lagging or a bit ahead of the beat also. It's called teamwork. Teammates pick each other up. A coach doesn't tell the player to just work on his end of it and let the rest of the players worry about their end of it. That's not what a team is, and that's not what a band does.
Love that!!@@mtp4430
Thank you! Keep taking me to school.
Agreed
Excellent! See, the groove isn't everybody playing the exact same thing - it's FEELING the same thing. That requires a deep understanding of these small differences in timing. Great discussion by two real pros.
This was great. I got Greg's fundamentals class. I highly recommend it whether you're a novice or advanced. Just to hear from a pro. Also I want to say, the sound recording/mix on this video is stellar.
Yes those dynamite engineers! It is the open studio man come on
I wish I could find a drummer as good as this guy. He is so subtle, everything sounds beautiful. The amount of times I have to ask a drummer to tone it down on gigs. Do they not understand they play a LOUD instrument and that being a good drummer is not only about technique but also about control. Choosing the drums is like choosing a pit bull as a pet, not a bad thing per se, but if you don't train it properly it is going to f*** up the picnic!
This. Especially as a singer, your overtones (the sound quality) often get blocked by drummers playing too much rides or at the wrong moments. We and the audience need the high frequencies above singing range to always recalibrate not only the pitch (that should work on its own) but the expression too and we're only able to do that when the drummer leaves enough space. I don't care much what other instruments do (they can come in whenever they want) but I follow the base most and the drummer should listen to me, maybe even know my text and phrasing but also be in dialogue, pulling / pushing with the base. Leave some space goddammit :) If you can pull it off, you're awesome with brushes, hihat and snare alone :) you need the rides to control the lagging brass but not me :)
For a drummer the control comes with learning how to play at ppp. Just learning to touch the instrument.
I feel you, a good drummer is definitely hard to find, for sure
great discussion on "time". being a drummer i've heard too many times how I am the sole time keeper, but i see it more as the band is the time, everyone a touch ahead, behind or on the beat...then the bass and drums in their zone so the other layers can flow on top...thats what makes esp live music so cool....when the band is locked...thats when magic happens....
Exactly how I feel about it. If any of the other players lose the plot if the drums stop, they need to either up their game or be replaced. Everyone in the band should be able to retain the time in their head.
I LOVE Both Y'ALL. And you know I do. I'm desperately trying to teach this all over the world. Musicians looking at me crazy when I explain I need y'all to play RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. Period because I'm phrasing around the TEMPO. Now days I just send them these type UA-cam Clips. Thanks for this one. I'm all up on here looking for teaching tools. I don't play base or drums, but I sung with BOTH you guys so I know what tempo spoze to be like. LOL
As a drummer--for 55 years--the first place anyone in the band looks for a time issue is the drummer. This is in rock, jazz, any genre. But when playing jazz, I always tried to lock-in with bass player by placing the ride cymbals pattern a nano-second behind the bass player's "walk'. I was taught this is what creates that great swing tension. Been doing that since I learned it and it was a revelation. But I will struggle playing something like Jeep's Blues, which is so behind the beat it is like from last week...:) Great site, great job, great post. Thanks!
Cool! I appreciate your input!
I loved every second of this video. These two guys are amazing. Did you notice how casual and cool they sound while discussing truly profound timekeeping concepts? Masters!
Thanks for the shout Chris!! This was golden. 🥇Chris, you jumped on that Lined!! 😂🔥It's all about listening and responding.
I could watch an hour long version of this!
Their chemistry and playing are both gold
I was taught by a former big band drummer that the Bass always carries the tempo. I used that knowledge to form a trio of 2 guitars and a bass and it works well. Great post
I know a gold nugget when I see one, and this one is a keeper I’ll be coming back to again and again. Invaluable insight is what I take away. The musicianship skills these two guys bring to the table is where it’s at.
Thank you for including examples. Makes watching this a pleasure instead of having to interupt this and look the clip up myself
As a drummer who’s played with bass players that push, this is absolute gold!
Incredible video, could watch these two for hours
Awesome insight, could listen to these two all day.
Yep, yep, yessir. This is gold. Thank you!
The production of this video is great! From the film quality to the animations that go along with the content. Great stuff!
that drum kit LOOKS like it sounds amazing. Beautiful kit and more importantly, these massive players. love this
If Mingus is in the band, everybody follows Mingus. If Art Blakey is in the Band everybody follows Art Blakey.
Best double bass imitation by a drummer ever!! I
That’s a great point!
I need a lot more of these two talking and playing. Pure gold.
Hutch is a top notch instructor and drummer. World class
Valuable and informative discussion, between these 2 great musicians.
The point at 4:00 is phenomenal, and important to understand. When the drummer does that rapid walk with the high hats, it makes the bassist accelerate, sometimes to the point where the bass remains awkwardly ahead of the drums, and you end up with 1.5 rhythm sections, instead of exactly 1.0 rhythm section. Philosophically, I believe in having only one rhythm section, but that’s just me, because there’s no way to confuse the soloist. Giving me a fresh breath with crash cymbal, and centering me, is exactly what I want my drummer doing.
Such a great conversation and demonstration of real DnB!
That is really cool. Nothing can replace a classic. 2 guys. A drum set and a bass. A treat for the ears. Thanks.
Great content in this video, and an even greater attention to detail and production value by Open Studio. Keep this level of excellence and you'll...well...the sky will be the limit. A true pleasure.
Master craftsmen at work. Brilliant.
Thank you so much for putting these great teachers together and making them available to us. You are doing something important for the next generations of music
This is a delight. Bottom line is there are many different ways to groove between drums and bass (or different rhythm section configurations) the most important thing is to get on the same page with whomever you're playing with; sometimes that means literally talking thru it, and analyzing your groove together. You also have to have an awareness of your own feel in relation to the metronome.
What a beautiful lesson
Excellent demonstration for all musicians. Thank you!!
This is the best teaser trailer I've ever seen in my life! I'm extremely hyped about this one!
Such a great insight into the magic of making Music together. Great stuff.
Guys, for real it's the third time I subscribe to your channel, and I don't remember ever unsubscribing at all
This is the best jazz channel on UA-cam. Period.
I would love to hear Christian talk about the difference between playing with Hutch and playing with Brian
I will pay for that shit :)
why not to ask for it?
Wow ! Hutchinson on the drums and McBride on the bass !!! Rhythm section Royalty right here !!!
I love his explanation of the concept or need to "recalibrate". That's a great way to explain the interplay and connection that needs to happen between them. Great video!
Great conversation!
i keep coming back to this. so much precious info
Who's in charge of tempo? The vocalist if you have one. If their phrasing is screwed up, the tempo is wrong. Instrumental yeah I'd say the drummer, if you have one. Anyways this was awesome. Learned lots, reaffirmed lots.
Such a helpful video! The point is drummer should keep feel, not exactly keep time like a metronome. More kind of this videos please!!
just gorgeous playing by both guys!
You guys are fun to watch.
Great topic! Everyone in the group is responsible for knowing what the tempo IS, but without a solid drum/bass groove, no one will know where they can be/need to be in relation to the tempo.
Trumpets laying back - saxes on top of the time - so long as the tempo is solid, it works.
That reinforces the need for everyone to be listening carefully to what's going on. If everyone is listening, you have a better chance of making it work.
Great stuff guys, I've always enjoyed the bass a bit on top & the drums hanging back just a bit - makes a nice groove.
"We're not talking about drill music, I'm talking real swing here" - classic.
two masters!
Priceless. I LOVE this.
Gold, just pure gold. Now anybody care to explain what Hutch says at the end? "Not talkin' about no ...... music, talkin' about real swing". As a foreigner, I don't know if he said "jewel" music as in rap and other computer beat stuff or if he said something else...
He says “drill” music as in drum and bass rap music etc.
@@ericmunjack4569 thank you!
Greg has always been a serious and well-rounded force behind the kit not just swing rhythms, but his hip-hop approach played a major part in today's drumming low-key
Greg Hutchinson I hope do more videos with Christian McBride, because it helps me as a bass player how to play with a drummer. You Christian go through the great duos like Paul Chambers and Philly Jones, and etc.
I could listen to you fellas all day!
Acoustic Sound !!
The bass, which is not overly electrically amplified, naturally decays the sound produced by the air vibrations inside its wooden body.
The drums, which are not excessively muted, spread not only the attack sound of hitting head but also the sustaining sound into the space.
Many drummers these days play with large drum sets with an excessive number of tom-toms, but for me, this simple 3-piece set is just enough and there is nothing short of it.
Great questions. Hopefully everyone had good time.
Great lesson from 2 masters. Understanding the dynamics in jazz music is the key
I am not English native but this video both conversation and music is so interesting to me. It looks n sounds indicating something very much important . Great video!
I think the music controls who should take control of the tempo. There's a communication that happens between Bass and Drums. I learned that it has to breath... creating space...That example of Killer Joe is a great interpretation.
Such a Gem!
Couldn't possibly love anything more.
Legendary Episode!
Great discussion! Great to keep in mind no matter what instrument you play: channel your inner McBride and Hutch.
There’s a reason drummers and bassists look at each other. It’s a team. Done right you’ll make each other look great.
I can't believe almost 10 min went by that quick! These cats are great to listen too!
A treat to the soul ! Flawless …
Man I love some Grady Tate. I don't think any Kool Kat Drummer was as totally relaxed as Grady....... Gents, this lesson is out of this world! Thanks and Blessings!
Has to be the sweetest thing I've heard today.. Maybe ever!! -zl, pno..
What a gem of a drummer one we all one day hope and dream to find like the level of awareness and consideration of this man in music is where its at
So nice and professional! Gregory is even in "Generation S" ❤
I have never heard of the bass being the keeper of tempo. I was always taught that the drums keep time. However, I have been put in the position, time after time, where I, as the bass player, had to keep the tempo. I have even gotten into physical altercations with drummers who couldn't keep time, to the point where I had to call them out, on the bandstand. That's one of my pet peeves: drummers who couldn't keep proper time. So, I pride myself on being a good timekeeper.
You are telling the truth on time, but…..I was on the gig with a singer, she was obviously out of her depth, and ended up throwing a fit on the stand to the point we had to walk outside the room to discuss. It took all the professional decorum I could muster to not walk out right there. She called back, but never again…..I hope you were kidding about physical altercation.
The amount of times I deliberately play just behind the beat to make a nice deep groove only to hear the drummer either slowing down or shifting to join me bang on, destroying the feel I'm trying to create, is infuriating
Just gold!!!!
So here's the craziest part: both of their internal senses of rhythm are so solid that even when they stopped playing after McBride was trying to push, Hutch came right back in during his explanation both times IN TIME with what they were playing before, even after stopping to talk, explain, debate, etc....STILL IN! That's understanding time on the deepest level.
GREAT LESSON
I ALWAYS HAVE BELIEVED THAT THE BASS IS THE FOUNDATION FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN MUSIC.
BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER TO ALLOW SPACE FOR THE BASS TO BREATHE IN EVERY DIRECTION.
THIS CAN ONLY BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE DRUMMER AND BASS PLAYER PLAYING THROUGH CHARTS BY THEMSELVES FOR HOURS UNTIL THEY ARE THINKING AND FEELING LIKE ONE.
LIKE REACTING LIKE WATER OR AIR TO THEIR SURROUNDINGS!!!
REMEMBER THAT IT IS OK TO PUSH AND PULL ON EACH OTHER. AS LONG AS YOU BOTH KNOW EACH OTHERS CAPABILITIES. YOU MUST BE FLUENT AND KNOW YOUR INSTRUMENT AND ALWAYS THINK AS ONE. THEN YOU CAN ADD THE REST OF THE RYTHUM SECTION ONE BY ONE!!!
NOTHING LIKE A MACHINE THAT HUMMS WITH VERY LITTLE SHAKING!!!
YOU CAN TYPE IN lower caps too
I AM LEGALLY BLIND BUT THANK YOU ANYWAY!
I love Christian. This cat is the real deal. I've seen him at the Montclair Jazz Fest here in Jersey.
Once again, you guys are telling it like it is. Thanks.
It seems that when someone first listens to a musician, they are looking for the middle of the beats. I find that boring. I like to play back and then move it around to give it a more vinyl quality. I find that If the beat wobbles then it can help those booties to bounce and make you wonder. Fantastic conversation guys!
To me, when it comes to who's gonna play before/after the beat is a stylistical question. In straight ahead jazz the bass tends to push whereas the drums has a lot of freedom. In punk rock, everybody's ahead of the beat (WTF?), in prog metal everybody's on the beat, in lounge jazz the bass falls way behind, etc etc. Kinda fun to explore, what are the ingredients of a style.
So what im getting from this... it seems that the bass is more dictating the subdivisions and how much swing there is as opposed to the actual downbeat.
Great vid by the way! Love the way you guys play.
I saw a vid recently of a producer talking about the wave forms of drum and bass sounds and how different producer line them up different ways on the millisecond level. Its like wether or not to line up the beginning of the sound or its first volume peak with the other instruments in the mix in relation to the down beat. Either way i think the subtle discrepancies of perfect-imperfect rhythm are super important for all musicians and seldom talked about.
Great job again!
Wonderful information !
GREAT, WE WANT MORE! Thank you!
"Some drummers think that 'they' are responsible for the time, such is NOT the case, you do it together and in fact, I believe the bass player is more the keeper of the flame when it comes to great time -- drummers get busy with their tom-tom fills, and their independence in drumming sometimes, it's up [to] the bassist to 'smooth things over' when tempo may vary." - Carol Kaye
Just beautiful.
we need more content like this!
Lennie Tristano who got really hung up about time once said to Paul Motian - who loved where Lennie was at - that his ‘fours’ sounded ‘like a drunk falling down the stairs’. I actually thought that was a compliment to PM, he had space it seemed to me. Tristano, who I dug, dictated time on the piano and Keith Jarrett later said that bugged him about Lennie’s playing; Lennie always playing right on the beat.
❤❤Finally, the great musicians , talking about ,how to create good rhythm and swinging bass & drums.
Thank you so much.
In my opinion, good sound is when bass sits on the beat .It means not on the top of the beat but in the middle, with very strong pizzicato(attack) and swinging hi-hat and ride cymbal - "cutting on" the top of the beat -"faster". Good example - louis Hayes ,Art blakey many other .............
Otherwise the drummer feels , like he doesn't sits on his stool and loses balance, and it forces him to play on ride cymbal & hi-hat only, like Grady Tate said " putting the jujitsu move on Ray "(Oh Greatest Roy's Sound).
When bassist plays on top of the beat(pushing) and drummer stop playing on his ride cymbal for a moment ,for to play on snare or toms , it sounds like, the drummer is out of rhythm and time...
We need to find the golden middle. No need to fight on the stage, just listen each other.
If bass and drums are together on top of the beat the temp will be accelerated....
of course, all this sounds like a theory, but everything should happen in real time and the most important thing is MUSIC ,FEELING .............
love and peace everybody❤
This is a timely video as I just started rehearsing with a bassist who really plays on top. It's a little unnerving but I have been trying to lay back a bit and let him push if he wants to. I try not to follow as that starts to impact on tempo. I think it's a matter of getting used to that feeling of being pulled along rather than me being the driving pulse.
hip lesson. i'm gonna really start listening to my fave bs/dr combos.....
Bass has the tempo by the balls at the end of the day. But everyone in the band is responsible for tempo no matter what, and can all influence it good or bad. The drummer also gets taste of tempo control on set ups and fills.
Bass can push a tempo or relax a tempo. Dynamics can relax a tempo & push it when necessary. wn bass is following vocalist or soloist is working, the base can push or drag
@@mikerobinson9030 agree with that too. an outstanding drummer gives the bass player some wiggle room in terms of their tempo and dynamics, because that means the drummer is listening closely.
@@stanvans3214 yes listening is a key element in all genres of music & even in a conversation. However, more often than not most people are poor listeners & a lot of good musicians are also poor listeners.
@@mikerobinson9030 and oftentimes, great players are terrible teachers! sometimes we get the inverse of what we seek.
Man, that's a nice ride cymbal, too!
The old "Russian Dragon"...
waxing and waining..I tell you what though....
here in Phoenix...
Dave Cook was Solid as a rock....pushing that quarter note...along with Charles Lewis...he didn't move either..it was his way or no way..❤❤❤
I always liked Roy Hargrove answer to that same question.... It's everyone's job to defend the time.
I could watch hours of this here!!
Amazing video. Thanks guys
I think the "drummer follows the bassist" thing is more about survival mode, getting through the gig without major issues, than it is about the high-level music making these guys are talking about. An inexperienced bassist playing a quarter-note walking bass line will probably keep steadier time than an inexperienced drummer.
Actually drummer is always a bit faster base is right on time and everybody else is a bit behind
@@domenzemljic6876 what you even talking about according to who ?
@@jungleninja8415 I play in a band and it's clearly like that and I asked some pretty good musicians and they said it's true
Yeah, as a bass player for more than a decade, I started playing drums now, and I kind suck at staying on time lol, but it's mostly because I missjudge what I'm able to play, like the time to reach and hit the way I want, fills are a nightmare 😔
This is therapeutic.
Whoah! That was nice!
Superb Duo!! God Bless You!!