So it goes like this : - Prethoryn Scourge in Vanilla : Eats up half the galaxy and is just barely held at bay by a few surviving empires. Looks like it will eat the rest too. - Prethoryn Scourge in Beserk AI : Still a threat but nothing too serious really. Looks like an average Ravenous Hive on a bad day. - Prethoryn Scourge in Glavius AI : "Yo, I'm just gonna chill in one system for 400 years." Looks like : "Crisis?? What crisis?" - Prethoryn Scourge in StarNet AI : Survival of the fittest where the Crisis is finally defeated by the survivor of countless wars and insurections. Looks like a proper end to an epic game.
The starnet is interesting for me since it almost seems like the AI "wants" to simplify the game to two-sided battle. At some point all colors just poof, disappear into cyan and blue. even throughout the scourge invasion there are only two empires that took the opportunity to seize powers and become major fighting force.
The Scourge in StarNet look to be still alive and trying to still get back on their feet. The worlds they are at are decimated. It looks like a legitimate space sim RPG set up. Good/easy part of the galaxy, desolate space, and then Scourge holdouts.
In defense of Glavius, the scourge ran headlong into what I believe was an Awakened Fallen Empire. Also if I may interject, they used the scourge, the LEAST threatening of the crisis list, imagine if he let the Unbidden run rampant with those AI.
Startech AI, made by the same creator that made Starnet, is pretty fun. Much more tech focused. The AI doesn't do war for the first 40 years, but then is much more competitive throughout the game due to its epic tech levels. Much more fun this way imo.
AI's are overwhelming at resources but pathetic on battle strategies. I'm looking for an AI who would jump into my home star to destroy my massive shipyards when unguarded then jump again when jump drive cools down. Also an AI that will not let their transport fleet unguarded and won't let their 100k fleet power siting at their empire doin' nothing for decades, my god.
@@bleflar9183 that's an issue with how AI is coded in stellaris, and while mods can change how the AI views the map and it's objectives, but the base decision making on how to achieve it is still base vanilla. Yes paradox has listened, they are waiting on the economic AI to be finished before they release the new modular AI system.
AI is so broken it has big problems repairing destroyed buildings or not tanking their economy when a higher tier of building (that they cant afford in the long run) is avalaible
wait, why are the fleets so small? is it normal to have around 50k fleetpower at 2400? my last game had 2400 enddate and the 2-7 place AIs all had between 200 and 400something k. does max difficulty make that much of a difference?
The "fleet" numbers you see on the right is not the actual "fleet power" but the number of ships the empire owns. At year 2400 they have e.g. over 2000 ships, not accounting which types at all, which is way above 400k.
@@vntzypuh971 that sounds even less likely, even with only corvettes, these 50k empires would have several millions of fleetpower which is far beyond what an AI empire can muster at 2400 even on maxdifficulty. how sure are you about this claim?
@@tomduke1297 Pretty sure because you see the Naval Capacity icon next to the number you are referring to. In the middle you can see the actual firepower the empire has. Another argument from my side would be that you could just go in-game, start a game and spectate it. You will see how it evolves over time and actually is the number of ships an empire owns with the corresponding firepower.
@@theblindlucario5093 no it doesn't. The mod itself doesnt enable the AI to cheat, the game gives it an initial boost, but the economy/ships/attitude are just optimized by the AI to resemble a human player with rushing tactics (ie. Spamming 40 corvettes by year 20) btw, yes its possible to beat starnet on GA, because I do it on every game
@@pugkinspicelatte6871 The build times and resources are actually not possible to do legitimately as a human player I'm pretty sure. I've gone into spectator view before and they get crazy boosts, and their buildings are pretty much just as crappy as vanilla.
vanilla: good only for new players, anybody with experience will steamroll it berserk: not too much difference from above glavius: the AI is a bit better at everything, so they hired the guy that made this mod to work on the vanilla AI starnet: the AI actually can and WILL kill you (they are very agressive, there is a version of starnet where its tuned down a bit) basically play the game on vanilla untill you understand how bad the AI is and you beat them easily (sometimes it can take as low as two-three games) and install starnet to see real competition maybe you can beat starnet on GA but it requires some heavy minmaxing, post a game where you beat max amount of AI on a small galaxy because that would require some heavy skill
so, AI Mods definitely slow the game down, but they fare better against the Prethoryn. To varying degrees. How about a timelapse where every empire starts with the Hegemony Origin?
I'm afraid the galaxy is about to get wiped out by the Prethoryn Scourge. Looking at the Fleet Power in the end, they still have ~2.1 Million, while the Sentinels as the last hope of the galaxy only got just about 100k.
Glavius is a major improvement too, less bloodthirsty so the AI tries to roleplay a bit more. Very comfortable experience, it still means you absolutely need to be decent. Starnet on the other hand? Giving StarNet AI bonuses is something even experienced players have a ton of trouble with.
@@CraftyDWB It is doable. But not with all Advanced Starts on for StarNet (advanced neighbours will screw you over unless you can diplo your way through). Honestly? If you tech well and go very expansionist, your chances are relatively good. Even if the crisis is set relatively early. I set mine 100 years early for a normal run where I was running a sizeable military with bio ascension instead of synths and my fight against the Unbidden ended in a response from all my fleets which managed to kill 16M fleet power in a single system on their war path. I lost a ton of ships, but dealing with the remaining 6M wasn't exceptionally more difficult. And I had to rebuild after half my navy got deleted in a War in Heaven 15 years earlier (League of Non-Aligned powers as a trade league is kinda OP)
what of those is cheat free, or cheat less? preferably if it players bettter, but i prefer one ai that cheat less.. since default ai kinda cheats and play bad anyway.
@@gabrielandy9272 Correct. It doesn't need to cheat to remain competitive. Salvor, the guy that made both mods, recommends starting out on ensign or captain difficulty. The bonuses given to the AI on captain are very minimal, and the AI receives no bonuses at all on ensign difficulty. I started out on commodore, which gives more substantial bonuses to the AI and it's been very difficult -- which I enjoy! Their tech levels are impressive. I'm #1 in tech, but barely and it's somewhere around year 2375.
They ran headlong into either an Awakend Fallen Empire, or a Mega empire that nobody decided to take territory from while they where dealing with the discount anime trope.
So it goes like this :
- Prethoryn Scourge in Vanilla : Eats up half the galaxy and is just barely held at bay by a few surviving empires.
Looks like it will eat the rest too.
- Prethoryn Scourge in Beserk AI : Still a threat but nothing too serious really.
Looks like an average Ravenous Hive on a bad day.
- Prethoryn Scourge in Glavius AI :
"Yo, I'm just gonna chill in one system for 400 years."
Looks like : "Crisis?? What crisis?"
- Prethoryn Scourge in StarNet AI :
Survival of the fittest where the Crisis is finally defeated by the survivor of countless wars and insurections.
Looks like a proper end to an epic game.
Best thing is... the AI still fight each other empire than banded together to defeat the swarm.. god gonna try starnet... they are merciless...
@@Ruzaraneh Yep, starnet is probably the closest thing you can get to multiplayer in singleplayer.
The starnet is interesting for me since it almost seems like the AI "wants" to simplify the game to two-sided battle. At some point all colors just poof, disappear into cyan and blue. even throughout the scourge invasion there are only two empires that took the opportunity to seize powers and become major fighting force.
The Scourge in StarNet look to be still alive and trying to still get back on their feet. The worlds they are at are decimated.
It looks like a legitimate space sim RPG set up. Good/easy part of the galaxy, desolate space, and then Scourge holdouts.
In defense of Glavius, the scourge ran headlong into what I believe was an Awakened Fallen Empire.
Also if I may interject, they used the scourge, the LEAST threatening of the crisis list, imagine if he let the Unbidden run rampant with those AI.
I tried Starnet for the first time about a week ago. I spawned between determined exterminators and fanatic purifiers. I haven't played since.
Same here one declared war on me 20 mins into the game. 4K fleet power. Me barely can have 1k - AI doesn’t get bonuses. :/
Startech AI, made by the same creator that made Starnet, is pretty fun. Much more tech focused. The AI doesn't do war for the first 40 years, but then is much more competitive throughout the game due to its epic tech levels. Much more fun this way imo.
@@04warrick04 yeah even on ensign starnet ai is pretty good at min/maxing
Chiss Ascendancy, nice.
parallel dimensions
Vanilla: oh, Pretorian
Glavius: PFFF
AI's are overwhelming at resources but pathetic on battle strategies. I'm looking for an AI who would jump into my home star to destroy my massive shipyards when unguarded then jump again when jump drive cools down.
Also an AI that will not let their transport fleet unguarded and won't let their 100k fleet power siting at their empire doin' nothing for decades, my god.
@Caleb Paul thanks, I'll try that
@Caleb Paul Nah,
GA starnet is better at wars than vanilla, but still pretty friggin bad.
@@bleflar9183 that's an issue with how AI is coded in stellaris, and while mods can change how the AI views the map and it's objectives, but the base decision making on how to achieve it is still base vanilla.
Yes paradox has listened, they are waiting on the economic AI to be finished before they release the new modular AI system.
AI is so broken it has big problems repairing destroyed buildings or not tanking their economy when a higher tier of building (that they cant afford in the long run) is avalaible
Glavius fixes these issues, the AI uses its fleets properly (this is bugged in the current vanilla version causing their fleets to get stuck).
wait, why are the fleets so small? is it normal to have around 50k fleetpower at 2400?
my last game had 2400 enddate and the 2-7 place AIs all had between 200 and 400something k. does max difficulty make that much of a difference?
Max difficulty is basically game pushing hundreds of thouthand of fleet outta nothing into AI's face to use
The "fleet" numbers you see on the right is not the actual "fleet power" but the number of ships the empire owns. At year 2400 they have e.g. over 2000 ships, not accounting which types at all, which is way above 400k.
@@vntzypuh971 that sounds even less likely, even with only corvettes, these 50k empires would have several millions of fleetpower which is far beyond what an AI empire can muster at 2400 even on maxdifficulty. how sure are you about this claim?
@@tomduke1297 Pretty sure because you see the Naval Capacity icon next to the number you are referring to. In the middle you can see the actual firepower the empire has. Another argument from my side would be that you could just go in-game, start a game and spectate it. You will see how it evolves over time and actually is the number of ships an empire owns with the corresponding firepower.
Please more of these videos, they are awesome.
Nice video, keep it up!
What are the differences between these ai's?
These are Steam workshop mods, that rebalance and change AI attitudes of course. Just google every one of them with a "stellaris" added in.
I’m not sure if it’s actually possible to beat starnet AI on grand admiral, thing cheats fleets out of the aether
@@theblindlucario5093 no it doesn't. The mod itself doesnt enable the AI to cheat, the game gives it an initial boost, but the economy/ships/attitude are just optimized by the AI to resemble a human player with rushing tactics (ie. Spamming 40 corvettes by year 20)
btw, yes its possible to beat starnet on GA, because I do it on every game
@@pugkinspicelatte6871 The build times and resources are actually not possible to do legitimately as a human player I'm pretty sure. I've gone into spectator view before and they get crazy boosts, and their buildings are pretty much just as crappy as vanilla.
vanilla: good only for new players, anybody with experience will steamroll it
berserk: not too much difference from above
glavius: the AI is a bit better at everything, so they hired the guy that made this mod to work on the vanilla AI
starnet: the AI actually can and WILL kill you (they are very agressive, there is a version of starnet where its tuned down a bit)
basically play the game on vanilla untill you understand how bad the AI is and you beat them easily (sometimes it can take as low as two-three games) and install starnet to see real competition
maybe you can beat starnet on GA but it requires some heavy minmaxing, post a game where you beat max amount of AI on a small galaxy because that would require some heavy skill
so, AI Mods definitely slow the game down, but they fare better against the Prethoryn. To varying degrees.
How about a timelapse where every empire starts with the Hegemony Origin?
The slow-down is mostly due to them having more fleets and planets.
Starnet began catching up to Vanilla in the end
Would love to watch more!
fallen empire can reborn??!
Yes, it's called Awakened Empire and when they usually do is to start the "War in Heaven" event or conquer everyone
pleassee make more video. 4 same setup different outcomes were beautiful thanks
But I need to know if vanilla ever won!
I'm afraid the galaxy is about to get wiped out by the Prethoryn Scourge. Looking at the Fleet Power in the end, they still have ~2.1 Million, while the Sentinels as the last hope of the galaxy only got just about 100k.
What is the conclusion which is the mod competitive to use?
For min-max players who seek a challenge, StarNet is clearly the correct choice.
Glavius is a major improvement too, less bloodthirsty so the AI tries to roleplay a bit more. Very comfortable experience, it still means you absolutely need to be decent. Starnet on the other hand? Giving StarNet AI bonuses is something even experienced players have a ton of trouble with.
@@Maty83. I want to see someone beat a 25x crisis on Grand Admiral with Starnet
but that won't happen let's be real
@@CraftyDWB It is doable. But not with all Advanced Starts on for StarNet (advanced neighbours will screw you over unless you can diplo your way through).
Honestly? If you tech well and go very expansionist, your chances are relatively good. Even if the crisis is set relatively early. I set mine 100 years early for a normal run where I was running a sizeable military with bio ascension instead of synths and my fight against the Unbidden ended in a response from all my fleets which managed to kill 16M fleet power in a single system on their war path. I lost a ton of ships, but dealing with the remaining 6M wasn't exceptionally more difficult. And I had to rebuild after half my navy got deleted in a War in Heaven 15 years earlier (League of Non-Aligned powers as a trade league is kinda OP)
@@CraftyDWB wouldn't you simply play hegemony and concetraed on being the leader of it?
Nice
I have not found the mod "Berserk AI", give a link.
I would imagine it's using the console command with the vanilla ai, not a mod
What crisis strength it was tested against?
Which is the best?
nothing, everything
How advanced are they tech-wise at the end?
I appreciate your 4k, but what my Russian government allows is just 144p.
how do you do a emulated ai simulation like this?
I would assume just go into observer mode and record the galaxy map
Кто опробовал? Годные моды?
butterfly effect right here
what of those is cheat free, or cheat less? preferably if it players bettter, but i prefer one ai that cheat less.. since default ai kinda cheats and play bad anyway.
Try Startech, which is made by the same dude that made Starnet. I've been playing it for the past week and it's excellent.
@@codyellsworth7927 it cheat less than the default ai?
@@gabrielandy9272 Correct. It doesn't need to cheat to remain competitive. Salvor, the guy that made both mods, recommends starting out on ensign or captain difficulty. The bonuses given to the AI on captain are very minimal, and the AI receives no bonuses at all on ensign difficulty. I started out on commodore, which gives more substantial bonuses to the AI and it's been very difficult -- which I enjoy! Their tech levels are impressive. I'm #1 in tech, but barely and it's somewhere around year 2375.
Also, there are still multiple empires that have more fleet power than me. Alliances and/or federation is key to survival.
@@codyellsworth7927 my problem with the game is that the default ai cheat on all difficulty settngs it dont play woth the same rules as you
What's up with Glavius' Scourge?
They ran headlong into either an Awakend Fallen Empire, or a Mega empire that nobody decided to take territory from while they where dealing with the discount anime trope.
Glavius winner
uh... why aren't the galactic dates synced up? This is a nonsensical comparison without the dates synced.
it probably compares engine performance too