Amiga 1200 Compact Flash Harddisk Replacement
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2017
- How I replaced the rusty old harddisk in my Amiga 1200 with a new Compact Flash card in an adapter. I prepared and partitioned it and installed Workbench 3.1 on it via WinUAE and a card reader.
I basically followed the tutorial here (with some slight changes): brotkasten.blog
This is the CF to 44pin IDE adapter I used (there are many similar ones that do also work): www.reichelt.de/Kartenleser-u...
The Amiga emulator I used is WinUAE: www.winuae.net
You can get the Kickstart ROMs and Amiga Workbench here: www.amigaforever.com
If you get error messages when trying to write to the drive, try starting WinUAE with the parameter -disableharddrivesecuritycheck.
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By far the best, and simplest tutorial. I'd been struggling with this all day until I found this video. Many thanks!
I looked at brotkasten.blog and there's an option there to "Translate this article." So, it's a great resource that is very accessible to many of the non German-speaking audience. Thanks for this video and for mentioning another great retro resource.
By the way, if one uses Google Chrome, it also prompts one to translate if it detects a web page in another language
Im about to do this "operation" on my A1200. I was abit worried how the procedure should be done, but hey, found this from the Great Jan Beta and this will work like a charm :) Thanx for a great video :)
Interesting stuff. Great guide to transfer the harddisk image over onto the CF and installing into the Amiga.
+bwack Thanks!
Jan after spending a week and literally wrecking two CF card your tutorial worked much love. I will now wander over to your Patreon for a sub.
Hey, thank you so much! Glad this worked for you. :)
Very nice video! I did the same thing on my A1200, only I did it all on the real machine with real floppies. It's an interesting idea, to prep it on the emulator!
+Casual Commodore 64 Thank you so much! It's really quite handy to be able to use the CF card in emulation. Easy backup, fast file transfer, experimenting w/ other emulated hardware etc... :)
Danke für dieses tolle Video :) Mein Amiga freut sich schon auf die Installation
Well done. I don't have an Amiga, but this was clear enough so that even I was able to follow it.
+The Highlander Thanks! I was a bit in doubt about the right speed and detail in which to show the process. Glad you liked it.
Thank you for making this video, I am going to do this very soon to my own A1200. I just got the IDEtoSD interface, the 4GB SD cards I ordered will arrive soon.
John Tviland Bakken Glad I could help! Hope it works for you! :)
I’ve not actually tried it on FS-UAE, I must try and see how it is. especially since I use OS X mainly.
Great video and exciting times for you ahead :o)
Thanks so much! I'm a huge fan of your channel. :) FS-UAE excludes the setting to add a real harddrive. You have to edit the settings manually. Quite complicated and I couldn't get it to work after a lot fiddling around. I blame my cheap USB card reader, though. Let me know if you have any success, I'm using OSX as my main system as well so that would be very handy. ;)
MsMadLemon I did it on FS-UAE on xubuntu 16.10 this month. First you need to edit the UAE configuration file and add the apropriate device. Secondly you need to set the owner for the usb drive to that of the one you are logged in as. It will revert every time you unplug the usb device. Then you need to remove every partitions on the harddrive or cf card that you will use in the amiga, using disk management in Linux. Diskpart on Windows basically does the exact same thing as any other partition managers. People just make it sound that diskpart somehow has some magical powers. Yeah... Its just MS that did a shitty job on the gui version in every releases of windows ever. Even msdos fdisk are better.
I can see that I forgot to add the config file's information, that I created for an Amiga600 CF card setup under Linux. I think it will be the exact same thing on OsX, as it shares same traits as Linux.
# FS-UAE configuration saved by FS-UAE Launcher
# Last saved: 2017-07-12 23:00:44
[fs-uae]
amiga_model = A600
cpu = 68EC020
floppy_drive_count = 4
hard_drive_0 = /dev/sdb
hard_drive_0_controller = ide0
hard_drive_0_type = rdb
hard_drive_1 = /home/john/Skrivebord/Amiga/transfer
kickstart_file = Kickstart v2.05 rev 37.350 (1992)(Commodore)(A600HD)[!].rom
I only have to run this command, each time I connect the CF card, as the settings for ownership will revert to the System and not me as an owner, wich I am setting each time from command line.
"sudo chown john /dev/sdb"
Happy testing Jan..... ;-)
I added some more to my comment... The content of the FS-UAE config file, as I forgot to do it a month ago, and forgot all about it.
Nice one Jan I'm at this stage with my A1200 so it's very helpful. Thanks Jan 😁😁😁 Kim 😁😁😁
Very helpful video, thanks! I'm currently waiting on my A500 accelerator to arrive, so making a start setting the CF up in the meantime with WinUAE. Quick question: You created a second (DH1) partition which was the remaining disk allocation and formatted this is a label of 'Data'. I noticed this seemed to display fine in WinUAE, but when you booted your A1200 the partition showed up as 'NDOS'. Did this ever work, and did you have to format this partition again on the real Amiga?
I wanted to make a start bringing over OctaMED samples and setting WHDLoad, but obviously this will be a waste of time if I have to format again on the Amiga as soon as I have IDE capability.
thanks for bringing German retro computing community know-how to English-speaking audience
I love your wallpaper!
You can also right click the start menu and goto computer management. This has a GUI for disk management. I do any partitioning that way.
Great video, much appreciated, keep up the good work
+James Sawle Thanks! I'll try my best.
Nice! Works well. Thank you.
Wygko Glad I could help! Thanks for watching. :)
great video, i love anything A1200. how come you installed onto the CF in english, though, when the OS appeared in german once you plugged it into the device?
is language determined by the kickstart version instead of OS installation?
If I remember correctly, I installed both languages. You can switch between all the installed languages easily via the preferences. (Maybe I edited some steps out to make the video more convenient... Good eye, though!)
You can also get dual IDE /flash card adapters. They use both channels (Master and Slave ) on the IDE cable. Good Luck with your old systems folks!
Yes, I wasn't aware of those at the time. :)
Jan, I just wanted to add a tiny bit to your fine work. I use IDE / Flash adapters for old DOS machines. The Amiga community continues to amaze me. You keep your stuff alive, and even improve it, long after mainstream support ended. I look forward to what new Amiga magic comes out next. I look forward to more of your fine work.
Windaz is so useful even for us Mac users :) I think my CF card is stuck with double sided tape to my Amiga's shield.
Very good tutorial
+Huelsb Thanks! Hope it is useful.
I tried this but now I have a useless CF card ? I cleaned the CF card as you did but after that the CF card is no longer visible in workbench and can not be reformatted in windows. I now have a usless CF card doing nothing.
Cheesy Amiga 1200 :) Nice solution.
Thank you! I did some retrobright on it in a later video and it's not as cheesy anymore. ;)
Love the Flip and Flop intro !!Respekt
+TheLemminkainen Thanks! And kudos for recognizing it! :D
Jan Beta many hours with C64 damn frustrating game it was :)
+TheLemminkainen Yeah, it's really hard to play. One of the first games I ever played on the 64. :)
Jan Beta it had arcade cabinet version too, based on Atari 8bit hardware
Wow, didn't know that. I would love to see it. Such a lovely little game. I always had the melody in mind when I thought about an intro tune for this channel. Tried to make something similar myself but ended up using the original (recorded from an actual 6581 C64, of course. ;)).
The CF card does not show up in Winuae after the card has been cleaned. I select the card and when I get to the hard drive preparation section is no hd/cf card listed and every option is greyed out except help and exit. Does anyone have a clue as to why??? EDIT: After "clean" I had to type "create partition primary" then it worked.
i don't have the amiga 600\1200 file format under hard disk, i have uae ide and scsi. what do i have to do to continue
Jan, may I ask which screen capture you use?
+Michael Beeny I used OBS Studio. Very versatile and highly recommend. It's also free and open source.
Hallo Jan, warum funktioniert es bei mir nicht mit einer 500MB und 3,3GB Partition? Unterteile ich es zb. in zwei 1,9GB teile läuft es aber. Über 2GB Paritionen laufen wohl nicht unter FFS
Do you still have to change the Max Transfer rate with today's modern SD cards?
You should get a gotekmount from riscman!! ... riscman on ebay does an awesome switch and bracket for DF1 / DF0 selection. Also, amazing gotek mounts and other 3D printed parts such as an awesome mount for Compact Flash cards both internal and external. All non-destructive case parts -Amazing stuff!!! You can see the LCD really easily with his mounts...perfect!!! And it looks really cool!! check out the Mk3 3D printed gotek mount...amazing!!
My little compact flash reader
kann ich diese schritte , auch direkt auf einem 1200er amiga machen ? oder muss ich den weg über winuae gehen?
übrigens super videos nur schade das siein nur in englisch sind .)
Das funktioniert auch auf einem 1200er. Das Problem ist nur, dass du unter Umständen auf dem echten Amiga erst auf die CF Karte zugreifen kannst, wenn sie nicht mehr im FAT Format (vor)formatiert ist (genau so wie im Emulator). Im Grunde mache ich die anderen Schritte nur im Emulator, weil ich so schnelleren Zugriff auf ADFs und Dateien habe und nicht auf reale Disketten angewiesen bin.
I approve of the wallpaper
Create a hdf to use with fs-uae and use dd to transfer it to card when the wb installation is done. I use this procedure on Linux. Use dd to create backup of the card as well. The dd command should be available on OS X .
That's a good idea. Dd is very powerful. I just recently started using it for transferring 68k Mac disk images to real disks. Worked very well. I'll have to try it for CF cards, too. Thanks for the tip!
You are welcome. And thanks for the interesting content on your channel.
HI JAN VERY GOOD INSTRUCTIONS ILL DO IT WHEN MY 1200 ARRIVES FROM THE UK WILL IT WORK ON AMIGA 600 COMPUTER??......
Yes, it most likely will work the same. Make sure to use the right version of Workbench though (depending on the Kickstart version in the computer some may not work). If you want to make absolutely sure it works, I recommend getting a 3.1 Kickstart ROM for the A600.
can I use my originals floppy disks of workbench and Kickstart rom for install procedure? Thanks
Yes, you can use the disks just as you would with a regular harddisk and do the installation process on the Amiga.
Quick query and hopefully you can help. I tried installing WB 3.1 on my 1200, With the HDD and with a 4GB flash card using WinUAE, both failed, I've been through hell and back trying to get it to work but no dice. Now I can get to the workbench grey/blue screen with Ramdisk etc showing but when I put a game in the icon will be "DF0:????" My locale, fonts discs show up normally, but system and install disks shows DF0:???? it worked fine before with games as I was playing Roadkill, Top Gear 2 etc.. What on earth have I done wrong and how do I fix this?
I think everything's fine. Most Amiga games come on non-AmigaDOS disks and can't be read from the Workbench so they show as ???? (or NDOS on older WB versions). When you reset the Amiga and boot from the disks they should work. The bootloader on the disk handles the special format then.
I see thank you, my keyboard has a few keys missing so trying to find the reset keys is a pain sometimes! But I have done it before.
+DigitalXAQ You can also put in the disk you want to load before you turn the power on. The Amiga will then try to boot from disk first and from the harddisk/CF second. :)
Hi Jan,
So was ähnliches habe ich auch gemacht. Allerdings habe ich mir einen PCMCI auf Compact Flash Adapter für den Amiga 1200 geholt. Die IDE Variante fiel bei mir raus, da ich einen IDEFIX Kontroller (2,5" IDE auf 2x 3,5 IDE) verbaut habe und diesen weiter benutzen möchte.
Ich habe bei mir festgestellt, das dieser Adapter nicht funktioniert.
Meine Vermutung es liegt an den orignalen SMD Caps, die ich jetzt demnächst austauschen muss.
Es kann auch sein, dass die PCMCIA-Karte nicht kompatibel ist, die du benutzt. Der PCMCIA-Port am Amiga erfüllt nicht in vollem Umfang alle Funktionen, weil der Standard damals noch nicht voll definiert war. Um die CF-Karten von Amigaseite nutzen zu können, brauchst du außerdem einen Treiber.
How does the HDD/CF get power? Do both devices just happen to use pin 20 for power?
Yes, I understand that the Compact Flash pinout is the exact same as on mini IDE.
Vielen danke.. ihre show is ganz interesant. Keep up the good work!
sehr schon as you can see...
What happened to HD1 ?
Pinky Pie ftw!
+Racoon1211 \o/
Can you do a video on transferring games from the company flash card to a pc and back again?
+James Sawle Yes, I will do a video like that some time soon. Still figuring out different methods myself, though. ;)
1GB CF Transcent Max Transfer is 0xfe00
4gb CF kingston 0x1fe00
other: 0xffe0 or 0x1ffffe
I have an A1200 I'm going to restore - its the same A1200/40 (same hdd even) but its the US/NTSC model. Sadly its previous owner drove screws through the top of the case - ruining the case :( - its also missing the metal cover inside.
+SkuldChan42 The metal cover is a pretty useless RF shield so I wouldn't worry about that. If you need a new case, there was a Kickstarter some time ago with very nice cases they'll probably put on sale soon. Check out www.a1200.net :)
Cool - yeah supposedly I have a case coming (I joined the kickstarter campaign), but alas - I don't think anyone in the US has received them.
One note about your CF install process - I found that in doing it - I had to start WinUAE as local admin before Amiga DOS would let me configure the locally plugged in CF card.
Oh, hope your case arrives soon. I think they only just finished actually producing them? Good to know that you had to run WinUAE as an admin. I just had to click on it (although I don't really know if there's some default in Win10 I activated - not a Windows guy mostly).
It could have been my system I guess - it let me pick the CF card, but then didn't show up in HD Toolbox, but after forcing WinUAE to run as admin it all worked like a top. The good news is that once I did that - I was able to install Amiga DOS and it worked on my A4000 :). I did buy enough parts to install this on my A1200 as well - once it's put back together.
+SkuldChan42 Nice! Always good to see these machines back in action. Hope your A1200 restoration works out well. :)
Thats a nice yellow 1200 😉😉😉. You should take a look to my cf adapter. 👍👍😊
Thanks. :) I actually retrobrighted it a while back. Looks a lot shinier now again. Are you the Edu that got a TF530 repaired by TF? That would be a really funny coincidence because I just watched that video a second ago. xD
Yes! that one was my first attempt to build a TF, and all was the FPU :P
Haha, that's funny indeed. Yeah, very well done! I probably never would have guessed the FPU. :P I bought a TF530 board, too. Don't know when I will get around to assembling it though. :)
40 mb hdd inside a1200 is soooo cuteeeee . 😺🙀
this was normal in 1993, this hd was so loud
it's an AMIGA, you dont need nor care about so called (windows/linux partition tables) system/data partitions, nor care about only having upto 4 active partitions... the AMIGA can have any amount of so called active partitions and you can access them all as the required boot drive of your choice by holding down your right/left mouse buttons on boot up, also on a real AMIGA you can have a real reentrant RAM disk that actually retains the contents on a warm reboot etc...
as an aside, remember that it's IDE so you can add in another second IDE drive and just set the master and slave jumpers on the units so as not to clash and so stop working and then add another IDE connector on the same cable to connect them...
I bet you have a SCART on your european TV. Definitively the best for an Amiga without VGA.
Yes, I have SCART on my TV. The monitor I'm using in the video only has HDMI and VGA in, so I'm using a converter.
Jan, after you delete the partitions on the Compact Flash card, have you ever tried prepping and formatting it on a real Amiga computer? This would be a video that many Amiga users would like to see. You should NOT have to use WinUAE to prep and format a Compact Flash card. If this is the case, then Compact Flash cards do NOT really work with Amiga computers. When I say Amiga computers, I am talking about the real Amiga computers, like the Amiga 1000, 2000, and 500. I am not talking about the Amiga clones, like the Amiga 4000 and 1200. I installed a 20th Anniversary Buddha IDE board into one of my Amiga 2000 computers. IDE hard drives work great and show up in HDTools, but, I can not get any Compact Flash cards to show up in HDTools. I think it is because CF cards are set up at the factory as removable devices, and the Buddha IDE does not like this. I know there is a way to set CF cards to FIXED. Only then will HDTools "see" the CF cards, and prep and format them on a real Amiga. FUCK WinUAE !
It's Pinkie pie :D
I'm more of a Fluttershy fan actually but the Pinkie Pie wallpaper looked better. ;)
Pff, we all know that AJ is best pony!
Good teast in wallpaper. Fallout pony
Never got this to work... might be outdated? I did basically this but with some more steps and that worked, here's the link: www.everythingamiga.com/2018/03/how-to-setup-an-amiga-compact-flash-drive-using-winuae.html
It might be outdated, there have been a couple of updates to WinUAE (and Windows, for that matter) since. Thanks for the link!
Can i merry your sister, she has lots of commodore amiga stuff you mention :))))
Ha! She no longer has it, she gave it all to me. ;)
Jan Beta ahhh pittty .
videos in german speech please