Racial Classification: Native Americans & African Americans
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The documentary- series "Finding Lola" is done, but is the journey over? This new mini series will explores the history and impact of blood quantum for Native American communities and compare it to the one-drop rule, a similarly problematic concept that was used to define blackness in the United States during the era of slavery and Jim Crow.
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Let me expound on this subject… Only 8% of the slaves came from So called Africa, The rest was already here. The so called North American Indian after colonization are what colonized Governments call and created are $5 Indians . The $5 Indians literally paid $5 to become defacto Indians by signing the DAWES ROLLS which stole the land and life time benefits from the 12 original Mounds and Pyramids builders tribes which all 12 share the same original blood type which is O-/no Rh factor(Rhesus Monkey) and $5 Indians basically are everybody but the Autochthonous original MOORS …”She doesn’t look like Pocahontas to me “ is the Biggest #1 Corruption in political science premeditated by the global colonizer and The Pedophilia they bought with their man made Governmental corruptions is #2…Breaking Genetics Law like this against the Copper skin tone Eloheem while they suffer on their on land as immigrant blacks from Africa will have Mother Nature to wash and reset this Evil that all have benefited from but the true Beneficiaries will bring and end to this Draconian’s Colonized corporation…THERE IS NO WHITE DIRT (HUE) NO WHERE ON THIS PLANET…Only the dirt that share the true image and likeness of the Indigenous of the earth.
This is a very touchy topic due to representations. The European Americans are in the middle of this. African Americans nor Native Americans came up with these teams. These classifications were created by the European Americans to keep us Native Americans and African Americans divided and distracted.
Richard, so glad you said this. These are not classifications that come from
NA or AA groups, but introduced by Europeans. The first official BQ law was in Virginia I believe. It has been adopted by many/most Federal tribes at this point, but I dont love the idea in a vacuum. All kinds of questions...are people afraid to marry for love outside of their "group" because the kids will "lose status" as Native? Thats a real question and it should not be....
Indeed
Do not compare Natives they’ve been in America before the white folks. Also why called Black People African? They born in USA therefore they are American.
Exactly!
I agree with you, there are so many different words people use to self identify sometimes I use the wrong one
My poor grandmother thought she was Indigenous ( Indian not African).
It was before DNA testing.
I have only 1.5-2% Native to North and South America.
Our black side, on the other hand, who could pass, did sometimes for white and the rest just made the best of their situation.
I agree with you. The government has controlled us and divided us, using such crazy tactics.
BQ and the ODR are completely government creations. Feel like they have taken on a life of their own now...
Well she may have been indigenous, we have been in the Americas long before the Trans Atlantic slave trade. Archeologist found the oldest bones found here in the Americas is that of African descent, not Asian descent, so although your DNA may say African descent, that doesn't mean you aren't indigenous American. Same people on both sides of the Atlantic
I honestly don't/wouldn't trust any test from a place that had anything to do with any wrong doing in the past. We have more need to know of our past folks and they could either keep truth from us or not really know, in my opinion.
The 2% indigenous had to come from somewhere. Maybe your grandma was right.:-)
We have all those rare earth in Africa ,only the names have changed
The reason why the differential between the system for rating identity exists is simple: It comes down to what these identities represent to the hierarchical racial classification and how that would impact white people's existence in the US.
The reason they have to make it hard to classify yourself as NA or indigenous is because they want to decrease your numbers so that you have less power and thus less claim to the land. NA's very existence puts white people's land claims into question, and they don't like that.
The reason why it is easy to identify as Black with only one drop being required. Is because it makes intermarriage less desirable, as you would know that your offspring would be deemed as having less rights and less desirability overall (in accordance with the racist structure that favors whiteness). As a result, whiteness becomes highly prized and rare, while also discouraging miscegenation.
I think you hit the nail on the head!
Yeah, it was economically motivated a lot. On the one hand, to make it easier to take as much land as possible. On the other, how to have as many easily exploitable bodies for labor. :(
I knew a woman who was more than half native blood but not enough to enroll in a specific tribe. She just missed having the 1/4 needed to enroll. She grew up on the reservation. Her mother was mostly native. Her father was Mexican. I felt bad that she was kept out of the tribe she grew up in.
It doesnt make sense when you hear personal stories like that. I cant wrap my mind around it
Her Mexican father must of had at least 2/3 Native-Mexican blood-lines 😳😊🤓! Soooo she shoulda qualified to be an Indian
@@colinchampollion4420 You have to have enough blood from one certain tribe. If you have the same amount of blood from 8 different tribes you could be 100% Native and not belong to any tribe. The woman I knew had to be 1/4 to be a member. She barely missed that amount due to a long time back white ancestor. So she was denied membership. Even though she is more than half native.
@@Catlily5 it's all the same blood-lines ~Indigenous-American
@@colinchampollion4420 They are similar. That is not the point.
Let me put it this way. What if your blood was from 8 countries. Norway, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France, Switzerland, Belgium and Denmark. To be a citizen you had to be 1/4 blood. You would be banned from inheriting your mother's house because it could only be used by a citizen. And you are not one.
I’m Sicilian/Calabrese and also 1/4 or maybe a bit less Native as well. I’ve never registered for a multiple reasons as well. Just found your channel and really enjoy it so far. My Papa(Sicilian) told me about being considered Black by all his parents friends and was called the N word frequently, and just the general racism he experienced. It was brought up because I was speaking to him about how the groups that were previously stereotyped and discriminated against the worst or up there become the new discriminators. It was a great convo.
Might be good to do a video on the “brown paper bag” test at Ellis Island and how us darker Italians were classified. Already saw you have several on the classification though so I may be speaking too soon. Either way thank you! Not as many videos on our people as you’d expect unless it’s mafia history videos
It's so good for you to share your story, Daniele! You are researching issues that are important to hear and be discussed! I love what you are doing and.have done so far! It is really relevant in light of.what some government officials at the state level are attempting to do in the south and elsewhere!! Thanks so much for your bravery!
Patrick, thank you commenting that, it made my day. So glad you are here! Please check out the video I just released we where did a deep dive convo on this topic : ua-cam.com/video/_Ar7LulevhU/v-deo.html. Look forward to your thoughts on it!
Danielle I'm so proud of you! This is so important. I really think " enrolling" is a follow the money situation.
Your videos are fascinating, thank you for sharing your journey.
So nice of you☺
I'm black and native american. One of the most annoying questions I get is "what percentage??" as if they're trying to decide whether or not what I hear said is valid. I hate blood quantum. I refuse to register. It's dumb and unfair. I don't need to be any more or less native than I am.
Rant over. I agree with you. Fitting into both sides of this conversation just feels like being gaslit on both sides.
Love your channel, love your style, new subscriber here!
So excited to read your comment! I feel the same way… but there are definitely “consequences” to choosing not to register, right? I’m okay with that right now. There is also a federal tribe I’m technically eligible to enroll in except that they CLOSED ENROLLMENTS for anyone who is not already part of an enrolled family. Ummm…what about those of us who didn’t get the gift of growing up in our cultures? I have a lot of feelings on this- but trying to enroll is not one of them. Maybe I’ll change my mind by the end of this series….but i don’t see that happening. Glad to have you here!
im Seneca and by Jewish rules of mothers blood line 5 generations im 100% native
I didn’t know that!
@nytn honestly, I agree with you 1,000%. I didn't get the chance either. It's weird that it's just a "well, tough shit" sort of thing if your ancestors didn't register. Historically, the government making a list of everyone from a certain background and having it on file doesn't generally go well. I understand their hesitancy to enroll.
I'm honestly just tired of it being treated like I'm trying to be cool or something like that. It's literally just who I am. I have a deep, red skin tone and a huge afro. People can be more than one thing. In not trying to impress anyone. I'm just telling people who I am. As far as I'm concerned, I'm 100% black and 100% native. I am who I am, and I feel the connection to both 100%.
(Saw your ko.fe. you've got a supporter in me! Can't wait to hear more of your journey!!)
They don't believe you because you look black! If you predominately have Negroid or look then you are an Afro-American period. Black blood-lines takes over😳👌😋!
Its important to note is that black people don't use the 1 drop rule to measure blackness, as you stated. The 1 drop rule was how white people determined who was "pure" white versus those who had some mix as a primary way to separate people for the purpose of knowing who to discrimination against. Society, I repeat society, not just black people then began to use that rule because it was thrust onto them by white people.
I live in Natchitoches and my mom is from Campti, so I am familiar with many of the families from the area including yours. Have really enjoyed going on this journey of discovery with you guys 👍👌‼️
Very cool! Sandy, I am so glad you are here :)
I really believe that a lot of the shock and bewilderment the younger generation of your family has experienced in learning about your maternal heritage is associated to the area of the country you were raised in. The people in the Northwest Louisiana area can see your resemblance to so many people in the area at first glance. As you visit more you will learn that this area of the country is unique unto itself. The standard rules don't apply to Louisiana! It's the Napoleonic Law effect that gives Louisiana it's own unique culture! Keep up the good work Danielle, can't wait to see your next discovery 🙏👍‼️
Sandy, thank you SO very much. Yes people out on the internet seem to recognize me and my family members….but we had no idea. It’s been exhilarating to say the least. Glad to have you here with me!
You are traveling a road that may be new to you but traveled by so many. I hope you continue to have the strength.
I hesitated with this series, been thinking it over for a while. But you are right, others have done this and now it's my turn to ask the questions. Glad you are here for it
YOU CAN BE 3/4 INDIGENOUS AND YOU LOOK MORE WHITE OR MORE BLACK YOU ARE STILL INDIGENOUS BUT YOU WOULD NEVER BE ACEPTED AS INDIGENOUS, BLACK BLOOD LINE IS A LOT STRONGER THAN OTHER RACES, BUT ALL WAYS BE PROUD OF YOUR RACE NO MATTER WHAT RACE YOU RESEMBLE:
Keep Up the great work Danielle
I love this subject! Thx for bringing it up.
Two forms of discrimination . Two ways to lock one out. Or in for that matter.
Wow, yes, locked in.
Very thoughtful video! I’m looking forward to next week’s discussion! You’re so brave for dealing with these sensitive issues out in the open. The only way things will get better is if we talk about them and de-stigmatize and normalize conversations like these. Thanks for being honest and vulnerable and leading the way.
Kaiya, thank you so much for that. I dont feel knowledgeable enough or connected enough to either community to be a spokesperson, but I think sometimes it's less about giving an "answer" and more about normalizing talking about things. Im grateful for people like you here!
Hello, I am a born American citizen from a mixed of Native American, African American, and European. The one thing I'm interested in is my family didn't know if where they came from. We all did genealogy testing and Native American str DNA tests along for some testing for African Ancestry. I was told that I was from the Cherokee, Blackfeet, and Cree Nations. To breakdown this tribes I was originally from going back to my ancestors in a time when United States was born into place and Indigenous people who were here first before the European people particularly the Norwegian, Scandinavian, the Vikings were arrived in the north of Canada down to what is USA. BEFORE Christopher Columbus discovered Southern of USA and Indigenous people who actually discovered European people arrived on this land from overseas. Here's the catch. I did the tests. Finding out 4 top tribes are Sioux, Objiwe, Lumbee, and Muskogee from my str DNA comparison to my closest relatives in my family. They came up Mikmaq, Choctaw, Cherokee, Chippewas, PeeDee, Navajo, Eskimo, and so many other tribes I connect to. So question for you, why 'drop of blood' is so low just like the Irish blood percentage is 1% - so that means low percentage for each ethnicity is greater than we thought and says to be distant in the family and many years or centuries passes by as my ancestors carry the Native American blood and African Ancestry blood in me along with mixed European? I think it's fascinating to discover my heritage hidden in my DNA. What makes up who you really are? I consider myself as Native American and American born citizen. I always feel like being a Native American without the enrollment of tribes. Seems complicated enough to understand. But I know enough based on my relatives being told and my research on geneology research on my family history.
Not denying your Native heritage but you wouldn't be able to actually determine what tribe you're from through DNA. Tribes are nations. For example, I'm Comanche. If I took a DNA test and it told me I was only Comanche, I would call bullshit because Comanches were, at one point, Shoshone. We broke off from the Shoshone and created a new nation. A DNA test won't be able to include a non-genetic change in social organization which is what a tribe is. Again, not saying you aren't Native. Just the way you're attempting to tie yourself to individual cultures is flawed. What you know from being told by your relatives is enough.
I don’t remember ever hearing the term “blood quantum.” However, I lived in Sequoyah County OK for about 26 years and was well aware of the “percentage” of Indian Blood concept, which is probably the same thing as blood quantum. It was my understanding that a certain proven percentage of tribal blood was mandatory in order to receive benefits from the tribe, i.e., free medical, dental, etc care, among other advantages. An Indian Roll number is also required. I was told that my Native American great grandmother didn’t have a roll number, as her family considered being public about their heritage was an embarrassment, perhaps out of fear. I’m wondering if perhaps I didn’t receive any of her DNA, as My Heritage DNA test showed I am 99.-something English!! No percentage of Native American! Very confusing.
Lorna, how fascinating!! Yes, the percentage is the same as BQ, I just learned about it as BQ from my Mohawk professor way back when. It blew my mind. For most of the federal tribes, if you had an ancestor not on whatever government roll was happening in the 1900s, you're kind of out of luck, no matter your percentage of "Indian blood".
Im Native American born in Oklahoma 62 years ago. I've always heard the term Blood Quantum. Very surprising to me that some are not familiar with the term.
OH, I did not realize you did a video on this. Totally agree Danielle. The whole idea of blood quantum, status cards, and any kind of intermarriage diminishing Indigenous identity was part of genocide through paperwork. None of those things were/are part of our cultures, they were imposed. I don't like our circular Indigeneity being forced into a square white genocide box. We don't belong in there. And I like what that leader said at the beginning. Thank you so much.
I stumbled upon you during Juneteenth now July 4th..such a treat on my off day. Grateful for your inquisitive mind. I just watched like 5 of your videos.Thanks
What's not talked about is how the government handled Negro/Indian mixed-race members of the tribes in the Southeastern US (they ignored White/Indian mixed-race tribal members). They passed laws that re-classified these tribal members in several stages. The final stage resulted in *all* tribal members who had *any amount* Negro blood being expelled from their tribes and re-classified as Negro. When they started enumerating tribal members on the various Indian census rolls, they didn't let these Negro Indians enroll. The result of that is that many so-called African Americans who have Native ancestry can't trace their descent from anyone on any of the rolls and, thus, aren't eligible for membership in their ancestral tribal nations.
What's also not talked about is that those who remained in the East after the Trail of Tears had to pretend to be of another *singular* race, white or Negro, because the government made it illegal (with a couple of exceptions) for Indians to live east of the Mississippi River.
Great topic! Just a thought! It could be tied to the reparations ( if we even want to call it that) that the Native American communities receive. The one drop rule with black Americans I believe is tied to the fact that if you even had one drop you were considered black no matter the shade of your skin the community you grew up on or any other factor. It was a way of keeping black people as a whole oppressed. I have been doing research on my family as well and have come across a few other definitions of blackness including mulatto- considered to be have white half black and Sambo that meant you were three quarters black and 1 quarter white. Under both communities native and black are oppressed using these stipulations and guidelines
Sambo is 3/4 Black and the rest is American Indigenous
It does seem like a form of oppression either way, even if tribal communities are embracing it "on their own" at this point. I mean, if your grandkids end up below BQ because someone had kids outside of the tribe, now your line is "out" and the legal status of your family has changed. I really don't like that. I have never heard of the term Sambo before!
What reparations do native Americans receive? Be tribe specific. I’m Oneida from New York we never received any reparations.
It’s also about money. Guaranteed that if the government has to pay reparations black people will also be taxed to prove their linage.
I can’t argue with that, the love of money is the root of all evil
Hey, I had a friend that was a Pamunkey. He took the time to do a black and white book of photos archiving his tribal affiliation along with other tribes from his area. (The Chickahominy, The Upper Mattaponi, Powhatan, etc) Well, it was announced on the news that his tribe was finally recognized. I once asked him just before the announcement if he would consider taking a DNA test. He said he didn't want to because of the guy that turned out to be Scottish instead of German. I understood how he felt because outside of the people that knew him he felt as if people didn't really believe his identity. It was great that he was finally able to have that identity validated; Unfortunately he wasn't well and only had three weeks to enjoy finally being accepted for who he really was before he passed away from illness. Can you imagine having to live your life in a country that was once completely your ancestral home and having to answer to people whose Ancestors were themselves immigrants and fit into their criteria that explains your existence? That's a horrible thing to comprehend.
What it was mostly about was Heritage vs inheritance. Indigenous people are contractually owed by this government things that are written down in “treaties” that the government really never were going to completely honor in the first place. The indigenous peoples knew that they had to protect their own interests as much as possible by having this list/role. It was not just the government but also indigenous peoples wanting this to keep non-native people from getting in on what little benefits they did manage to get; and for the government to do as little as possible for as few as possible. Mainly the
descendants of indigenous and escaped slave unions. This was to protect Indigenous Peoples and Heritage.
One Drop was all about inheritance. To insure that the children and their descendants fathered by white men from black women would forever be considered black,illegitimate,non American and therefore cannot have any claim to any property from their progenitors in perpetuity. And would always be considered second class citizens. Hence the Jim Crow and Racial Purity laws were passed. It was(and still is)mainly about money,property,equity and social standing.
One’s about the preservation of a people and their humanity/heritage.
The other is about protecting their bloodlines and their stuff.
Just my humble opinion.
Yes, tribal governments are definitely espousing and using BQ to protect themselves and the agreements with the US government and I cant totally blame them for that. I have read recently about federal tribes rethinking the BQ requirements because as younger members move off the reservation and/or have children, if they do not marry another tribal member, often those children are now not legally able to remain in the tribe. The populations of some are going down in a serious way, and so it seems like they will be legally "eradicated" either direction.
Interesting how you mentioned ODR being about inheritance as well, or that is, the lack of it. Something to think about for sure
@@nytn
Think about it. Even today aristocracy, and blood lineage is still a big thing in modern Europe.
While America may have ditched the traditional European titled aristocracy class in favor of democracy some of that stuff still remained, just in a different form. Hence the Castle Doctrine. We’re all kings/queens of our own castles today but the foundation of this country
was built on who would be kings and kings only(no lady girls were allowed). Therefore they were the lawmakers,the law breakers, and law enforcers. They chose who could bare their names, inherit their property, their legacy and their power. No matter how large or small their castles were/are. Americans’ have always based their self worth on net worth. And who gets to have it. Women still make less than men in-spite of doing a lot of the same work. Black Americans also make less. Certain people are clutching their pearls at the mere mention of reparations because they think people are coming after their stuff. Which is not necessarily the case. This is not a pity party or a blame game, it is what it is. It’s just we’re just not accepting that anymore. And you are putting it on blast for meaningful honest discussion from the viewpoint of a white woman of color. As I said b4 this has to come from beautiful people as yourself to force our true history into the light. America doesn’t pay attention to this coming from black folks. It just looks like another b#tch session they just roll their eyes.
Thank you for being here with me on this journey and taking the time to continue these conversations that are long over due.There is a difference between a complainer and someone who wants to have a conversation with a desire for positive change! Im actually planning a video talking about reparations soon.
I enjoy the work you do overall so def have to sub sometimes this subject can be difficult for me
It’s hard for me, too. But I think it’s so important to try and talk with each other because I hate how divided America feels right now
Thank you so much for this topic.
You are so welcome!
My grandfather was indigenous and spent his young years in and off reserves. His family moved away from indigenous lands for work and never went back. He never spoke of his culture mostly, I believe because he was not taught after a certain age. I would love to connect more with my grandfathers culture because I loved him and I want to feel closer to our heritage but SOME, not all “100%” native people make you feel like you don’t have the right. I don’t want to get a check, I don’t want to appropriate, I don’t want to claim this or that….I just want to learn about my ancestors and their culture. It’s a shame there are indigenous people who think opening their arms to reconnecting decedents will somehow take away from them. I don't blame them for feeling this way at all, it's just sad they have to feel this way.
Come over to this new video and let me know if it resonates with you! ua-cam.com/video/_Ar7LulevhU/v-deo.html
I look forward to next video it may clear up some statements I heard regarding Native Americans, this is first time I heard of Blood quantum; my heritage is of multi origin as well. Not sure of blood quantum, Native Americans were not listed as so in Louisiana, they were listed as white, by listed as so they were not entitled to certain cultural rights or land that was rightfully theirs. The one drop rule was to out anyone that had African heritage no matter how far back it went, if your skin was white your facial features European where your dominant side look white you were black in Louisiana, that was for racial discrimination to keep black people oppressed.
Some time ago I started researching my Black heritage from Louisiana. I’m certainly looking forward to your next video, hopefully it will shine more light, keep up the good work you’re doing, your Mother should be proud ❤
My Louisiana family was always censused as Black/Mexican/Mulatto/White. I only saw "indio" when it was family from Texas/Mexico. It makes Louisiana genealogy difficult. Thank you for your kind words, you honestly made me tear up a little. As long as my kids know who they are, and they are proud of it, that's what Im in it for!
First time I'm ever heard this. And thank you for exploring this.
Leslie, please let me know what you think as we start diving into it with some conversations this month!
I came back indigenous D1, my fam history is Choctaw Chickasaw and Jewish from Louisiana. Where Do you get a blood quantum if you wanted to?
It’s through whatever federal tribe you are enrolling with as far as I know
I think one of the reasons blood quantum is necessary is because people (like Elizabeth Warren) who claim to have Native American ancestry, (but don't), take financial resources, school placements, grants, jobs, awards, etc., away from actual Native Americans who have experienced life growing up as marginalized persons and visible minorities in North American society,. It would be no different if you, a person with some Black ancestry, started applying for grants, job positions, awards, etc., specifically meant to open doors or give recognition to Black people, despite your never having grown up with Black culture or experiencing life as a visibly Black person does. It's not right.
Laura, I think I agree with you. What is troubling to me is that someone is not "legally" a Native American despite a very high amount of DNA, simply because they do not have the right papers with the government. But just to play devil's advocate, Black people don't have to enroll with the US government to prove who they are to receive those funds/grants/awards.
Self identifying as AA seems like a different mechanism than a threshold that keeps NA people “unaccounted for” under federal requirements. True, AA can self identify to apply for private or government grants and such, but there will never be a federal requirement for lineage and proof of blood quantum like there is for NA.
@@rosesbloom711 I agree with you! Self identification is the ONLY identification available for AA. The contrast is interesting to me
What about those that are descendants of a Native American, that percentage thing is not fair. You are who you are.
The financial race based perks you describe are a violation of federal law
I’ve never heard of blood quantum either. Who administers these tests and where would you go to have it done?
It was a paper trail for federal tribe enrollment as far as I know but I’ll
Ask in the interview next week!
I’m taken back by all of this. At this time my only response is compassion with a big virtual hug hug to all in this situation. This is the first time I’ve ever heard of “blood quantum”.
It doesnt seem like it could be a modern thing, but it is! I look forward to your reaction to the main conversation on this topic later this week...
Dogs,horses and Indians are the only things that go by blood quantum
Danielle, I have never heard of blood quantum. I love your channel, because I am learning so many things that are all around me, but invisible to me. ❤
Are these blood measurements and classifications unique to the United States or are there other countries where these things exist? 😲
Great question that I have NO answer for (I could google but that's no fun, I'll ask next week in the interview!). BQ is strange, in some ways it seems like it's....not a way to talk about a person. But what do I know?
Googling this concept would be boring. I look forward to hearing if there is any information available from those who have been acquainted with this “new to me” concept. 😉
Society had disregarded the fact that African Americans do have Native American ancestry, so for me I’ve never felt fully like I could say I was full Native American it’s always just black, but we are very mixed
Not all do tho? Most of them have European dna, you can literally search it up, the few African people that are mixed live in a few places in the USA in small portions, while the garífuna people are def mix, but the rest are most European with many African backgrounds, and a small portion of Native American.
I am Polish. I live in Poland, and I teach Polish as a second language online. I have noticed more and more young people of Polish origin want to learn the language of their ancestors. They actually feel proud of their roots and look for their identity. I really feel blessed and honored to be able to help them!
I from Louisiana. New Orleans to be exact but I believe we all have some kind of connection down here. I can remember my great great grandmother who was born in the late 1800s saying she wasn’t from Africa when the census people used to come to our home years ago . I honestly never give it much thought until recently when I started reading more and more people saying their grandparents used to say the same things. This can’t be a coincidence. Or can it? It’s kinda funny to me now because I remember arguing with people in the military about how black I was. The people up North would always say I’m not black. They would say I’m mixed ,biracial or the favorite one for them creole because I was from New Orleans (I hate being called that). I personally just say I’m black and leave it alone. Unfortunately depending on where you are it’s still an unwanted conversation. Down south no one disputes it. Up North and out west it’s an unwanted conversation. I guess the government has won this battle because after doing some research I’m more confused than ever. Now I’m starting to believe my great great grandmother was probably right. 🤷🏾♂️
The only way to know is to talk to all your relatives and trace the family genealogy.
This is a topic I've been trying to address in my personal life! I grew up white, so I'm not going to step where I'm not going to belong, but I still have so much love for my grandma and her family. With that, I enrolled in 1 of the 2 tribes I descend from. I'm passively learning the language of the other. The area my indigenous family originates from is pretty mixed race (specifically white & Indian) so when I look at the faces of the people I am associated with, I usually see people who look like me. I'll input that I've made unconscious but visual efforts to "look more white", though, so please don't judge me based off of how I look, readers 😅 In line with that disclaimer, I now being enrolled, have had strangers tell me (in meaner words, 1 time even with a death threatening troll) that I'm spoiling the good apples. But I've grown up with my Navajo friends expressing that my pride in the tribe is important. Even if I'm mostly white (not Navajo, either. Maybe that's the diff). To the skeptics it all comes down to this form of identity politics - and, barring my previous disclaimer, I just don't play that game anymore. It's not a competition. I used to, and it always just devolved into bullying or elitism. If somebody can only take me seriously when I tell them exactly how LGBT+ I am or where my family spent their school years etc., then they're not acting in good faith. I don't care about that opinion enough to expose my personal life. Lol. I'm not going to pull out the book-length-worth of papers or files detailing my great-grandma. That kind of "qualifying" is the wedge white supremacists try to drive in non-white communities. They love it when this skepticism occurs.
To wrap up and be clear, I don't mind or have a problem with being seen as a white guy or that I'm generally not included in many native/POC circles. I'm not wanting to take up space for people who are actually hammered with racism. People don't shiver at me and go "A savage!" right!? I take some effort to decolonize myself, while keeping in mind that I have more white family than Salish. But the problem is when people will get physically angry at someone who doesn't look stereotypically "Indian" joining a tribe (mind you, mine holds a VOTE for new members - they welcomed me!) I think mostly it's from the poisonous old school government still dividing the people in order to prevent minorities from teaming up. Trying to separate out those who are the full 4.4 from those who are 1/4 or 1/8 or even 1/16. To see who they could make white and who they could make The Help. Or even just disappear entirely. I don't want to call this expression of skepticism based upon race Colorism because of my upbringing, but it is similar enough that I think the waters should be tested. For indigenous people, I think there is a perceived scale of "real Indian". Some people ONLY value "full" or "half".
There are some people with longer-standing more valid opinions than mine, but this is what I'm witnessing as I've entered a space that my ancestors were actively involved in.
Masen: thank you so much, I loved how you said this: "It's not a competition" I think a lot of us need to let that sink in. Your opinions and experiences matter very much, and Im so grateful you shared them here. We need to hear more like this, and not everyone will decide to handle their heritage the same way and that is okay, too. There is absolutely a perceived scale of "indigenousness" like you said, and I find that interesting when compared to the one drop rule for AA.
Federal government due to Tribal treaties. MONEY FEDERAL MONEY .Blacks don't get money .Sovereign country ...Within USA. You think the tribes r giving up their own land by opening up 😢the land they were given by treaties treaties treaties treaties
Protect the land .money is manufactured.
This is the what I see in Hawaii. There's not many indigenous Hawaiians, but the asians seem to be replacing them. You can't have white, black people running around claiming they are native Americans. Wow I would like to know how those people are helping the native Americans and their shitty living situations.
Thanks!
sharon, how sweet of you! Thanks :)
I was fortunate to know my great grandmother on my dads side of family she was half Native American (the tribe I understand is Blackfeet) if I wanted to research this more how would I go about it and what should I be asking questions about or looking looking for. Great job on your film😀
Lisa, thank you for being here! Please check out the video I just released we where did a deep dive convo on this topic : ua-cam.com/video/_Ar7LulevhU/v-deo.html. Look forward to your thoughts on it!
@@nytn Thank you I will definitely watch it 👍🏾
I'm trying to watch your videos in order and it's so hard! I wish they were numbered.
Oh they are just all on their own program! I do have playlists though based on topic 🥰🥰
I have some questions.
Is the one drop rule still relevant today? Ive heard people say things like, if both your parents aren't black, you shouldn't be considered Black but biracial. Are we moving more as a society in that direction.
Also why does the US identify some of us by race and some by ethnicity all in the same survey question? It doesn't make sense to me because an ethnicity can be made up of different races. Seems like it's very important for the US to maintain a divide. I understand there is beauty in maintaining cultures and having representation but I think this is more of a numbers game in which we are fed certain perceptions when in reality we are actually more of a melting pot than they want us to believe. So many different cultures and ethnicities here. So much mixed heritage within most people.
Even with me. If you look at me, I look Black but I took 2 DNA tests and there is so much there. Nigerian, Senegalese, Mali, Congolese, Portuguese, Cape Verdean, Jewish, British, Scottish, Native American, Asian and a lot more specific areas in Africa and Asia.
I just don't think those categories they throw us in will last for too much longer.
Your Black because of your predominance of Sub-Saharan-African black blood-lines
I think you are right, the ODR doesnt really make sense and by that approach, people are "mixed" enough, especially here in America, that we are more than one drop of lots of backgrounds! It does feel like there is a forced division between us that is not really as accurate as we are told. DNA tests are certainly showing that. My "White" family is a good example of that, we have an array of backgrounds that even if we were not aware of until taking the test, and it has definitely changed my perspective about who is "us" and who is "them". We are all "us" together.
The other side of the issue though is the government sanctioned use of quantifying an ethnic group by measuring their "blood" amount. ODR may have fallen out of de jure use, but Native BQ seems to be very much still a thing.
Since American Blackness was intended to disfranchise those grouped into it, The One Drop Rule is only relevant in discussing how it shaped a distinctively American community.
I have many ethnicities admixed in my genome but I'm a 4th-5th generation Full Descendant of The 1860 4.4 million Black American Population; the foundational population of Contemporary Black Americans.
So it's not relevant because Black Americans are their own distinct ethnic community and how they identify comes from that perspective. But discussions about The One Drop Rule needs to be used to explain it all came to be.
@@curtis1415 so would you consider a biracial person Black, for instance President Obama? Also does that change how we view civil rights leaders that were actually biracial but were considered Black? Even present day leaders
@@mickey10jb80 I don't consider Obama even a descendant of The Pre Civil War Black American Population, much less "Black." A better example is Halle Berry and I consider her bi-racial/bi-ethnic even though she actually identifies as Black herself.
The difference between someone from the Civil Rights Era/earlier and present day is proximity to The Pre Civil War Black American Population. This is where One Drop Rule discussions are relevant. A person who has a grandparent or parent that was a slave owner is different than a present day bi-racial who only has one parent with the history of being grouped into American Blackness.
Hi. I first heard about blood quantum from the UA-camr Ellie Dashwood - I watched her vids due to historical fashion, Jane Austen, etc. In one of her vids, she talked about being mixed/ native but that she looks/ was raised predominantly white. Maybe you can reach out to her and see if she's open to discuss this with you - justvan idea. Cheers & more power to you! 👍🏼
I am just n9w finding your channel. I am learning that my father was cajun. Growing up in South Mississippi, I remember the one drop law. I also remember how I was treated growing up. I was treated like I was the lowest of the low. Wasn't black, but wasn't white either. Thank you for sharing!!
This hits home on both sides. I picked up the paperwork to apply for membership in the eastern band of Cherokee but something about getting registered creeped me out every time I started to complete it. I tried to be open about my creole du colour ancestry and the African blood included. Even though I am barely darker than most Northern Eourpeans, have hazel eyes and so-called "good hair" I have had n------ thrown in my face a few times due to my honesty.
Wow, I didnt know you had ties there as well! Yeah, I think not growing up 'registered' and then choosing to do that is different than if you grew up with things a certain way and never knew any different. I dont like it myself...
@@nytn My mom was a Cloud and the family kept alive the story of John Cloud and his Cherokee bride Elizabeth "Betsy'" Lacy. The creole connection sadly was almost unmentioned. The only time I heard the name Desadier mentioned on Mom's side was when Mama Moak was mad. Grandad would say" Now Mae don't get your Desadier up." This did not improve her mood.😅
@@larrywilliams9139 LOL! What a great story
just found u, love wut ur doin, it helps my soul, im mixed jah n cree but look arab
Native American tribes are using blood quantums to remove citizenship from black people. My family was enslaved by the Muscogee Creek Natives, they experienced the trail of tears are on the Dunn and Dawes rolls, payrolls, were alloted 160 acres of Creek land in the late 1800s but because they were freedmen they are now not considered creek citizens. My 2018 genealogy educated me about anti black sentiment in the 5 civilized tribes.
I have read about similar stories.I think maybe the Lumbee tribe as well?
Thank you for expressing this point!!! I couldn't have said better myself
🙌🏽 creek here myself and yamasee. An just let you know we were already here not enslaved Africans
@@jdagreat4595 according to the creek freedmen citizenship card my 2nd great grand parents were "slave of" Wat Grayson. So I'm unsure why they would list that on their citizenship card unless it was true.
My Family story is almost exactly the same as yours but my family were also half Chickasaw as well as well as Muscogee multiple generations in both communities. Traveled the "Trail Of Tears" as well. You can go back to "1860" where they have my ancestors as "Mulatto", then you can follow the Census Records and see how over the years they change the race of who we were/are from Mulatto to Colored to Black to what we are now falsely called "African American". If you know the history then you know that they called Indian people and people who were Indian and of African decent "Mulatto" before the use of that word was applied to White and African decent. They removed on paper who were/are for the benefit of themselves. Paper Genocide at it's finest.
Great Video. I'm jealous you're getting to do some of the fieldwork and visit Louisiana. I hope to go this summer. I was aware of blood quantum. As I stated previously, blood quantum has it's drawbacks and perhaps it's positives. It could be harmful to people who do not meet rather arbitrary blood requirements. I see how the American government seems to support that because it limits the amount of public funding expenditure. Yet, I understand why some people support it. I have seen many people try to culturally aproppriate a native identity for school and work and such. It is really disrespectful to people who are predominantly of native ancestry and grow up in that environment.
Overall, I had never conceptualized the notion that the one drop rule is like a similar but reversed means of categorizing black people. That's powerful! It shows how both were created and are upheld by the American system for its own benefit.
Yes, you said that SO well. It is similar but reversed categorization.
Keep going!! This help with building a new narrative toward Racial Healing..Stay brave!!
Im so proud to do my little part
The “Gate keepers” that represent a lot of these tribes have a strong European phenotype, and are people who realistically never lived the NA experience.
Also the “one drop rule” was completed constructed by whites. I can’t think of many black people that go by this rule at all
This is the obstacle that the Chicano/ Mexican Americas community has to deal with.! We have been in the south western states since native times. Yet most have over 1/4 native blood but no tribe association. We are a tribe less people. 😢
I completely understand it. My mom's side of the family (and my husband's family) have indigenous mexican roots through the missions. No idea where those people originally came from...so we dont count!
That’s because y’all embraced Spanish people and abandoned them but in the USA you bet benefits so ya wanna switch back and that’s unfair
@@sparkman1314able that makes no sense at all. I’ll like to see you telling the native Americans people in the Midwest the same. Some don’t speak their native tongue and have French blood yet that doesn’t make us less native Americans. We been here we didn’t came to America. American 🇺🇸 come to us.
A very interesting dichotomy here today in this dilemma as many Caucasians have added themselves to Native Rolls even having very little to any Indigenous blood or lineage, and most paid for this, but for Black people, even one drop [in society and census] is considered "Negro", or of "African descent stock" for the purposes of classifications even if one parent is of another racial category. America loves to classify as to who and whom are to get privileges and status here. And those that can be left out and even disenfranchised and given lower racial caste preferences in most anything institutionalized. A good video and I think you will have a journey to answer your own questions in time. Peace
I just did a video of my family for indigenous peoples day. We are all Choctaw members but people watched the video started saying we don't look native.
My grandmother was Native American. I grew up going to powwows and learning about our heritage. Only to have people act as if I don't have a high enough percentage to count. I learned to make dream catchers and other items. My daughter wanted her first child photographed in a dream catcher. I spent hours making the one she wanted...Only to be accused of cultural appropriation and blasted on social media. I will not argue with anyone. It is part of my culture, as that is how I was raised. These are some of the fondest memories I have with my grandmother. Who has the right to tell me what my culture is? My grandmother was spit on and had rocks thrown at her, as a child, for her skin color. Now that doesn't matter because I am to white? I will not let what she taught me fade from my family because society doesn't think I have enough DNA for them.
Melissa, people are ridiculous. I just released the conversation about BQ with a professor today, let me know what you think, I hope it will speak to your heart!
Right! On! Sister! keep the spirit of your people alive and well!
The same thing happened to a few Families who looked AA, but was raised and cultured for generations, as NA, they TOO were told that they were not NA enough, when that was ALL THEY knew, plus they TOO were GENERATIONLY ON THEIR TRIBAL LAND.
Thanks for this topic. This is extremely important. Most "African-Americans" have no African lineage at all. My family (my dads side) talked only about our "Native" ancestry. Our elders and recent ancestors were subjected to imprisonment or death if they identitified with their Aborginal Indigenous heartage.
Learn something new everyday.
The reason this is so confusing to most people is because not all skin folk is kinfolk. Weve been lied to about every single aspect of our history and I refuse to lay blame solely at the feet of white people. There is no such thing as an African American. Some of us have American Indian ancestry and some of us have hidden European ancestry. If you can't trace your African ancestry within the last 100 years, chances are IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! I can't stress this fact enough. Many of the gatekeepers to this information look just like us and are PURPOSEFULLY misleading us for whatever reason. Just know though, a massive hidden piece of history is that some of the very first pilgrims to make contact with our ancestors looked just like us. They were black Europeans aka Huguenots. For example, go Google the founder of Chicago. There's so much about our past that we're not aware of and unfortunately it's allowed a whole race of people to step in and assume our identity.
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This is a subject that has haunted me my entire life - I was adopted, told I was Native American, and I very much look classical Native American in my physical appearance. I was told I was a full-blood or very close to it. With the advent of dna testing, in my fifties, mine shows no Native American dna. However, I connected with biological family, which claim to be Native American and genealogy proves that - however my dna tests from two companies show no Native American dna. However my siblings dna tests results show NA dna, but very little. But my genealogy and my biological family practice many NA traditions. Since my dna results the identity of myself has changed - it’s upsetting and unsettling
I think Hispanic peoples, especially Mexican and Central Americans, should be a bit insulted at this video and the push to exclude them from these discussions. Studies show these Hispanic groups to be much more genetically Native than both Black and White Americans, and the blood quantum laws impacted them more than any other group. This is why Steph Curry and Beyonce could claim to be Black, but yet we create two different groups when it comes to natives and Hispanics (mestizos) (to be honest, most natives, especially in NA, are mestizos).
This is why no one should just go running around claiming identification. We have a history of folks claiming native when they had no right to claim it, and their doing so was not right, the ultimate form of cultural appropriation. So, no, you have no right to claim native ancestry just because you think you had a great great great great grandmother. My grandparents spoke Nahuatl, and I still can't legally claim native ancestry in the US. I'm a Mexican, Hispanic, or Latino, and those are my US options.
I did a video talking about this very thing: ua-cam.com/video/y0PvU9Oy2Mw/v-deo.html
Black people are claiming to be natives of this land just because they had a great,great,great grandmother screwed by some native male while she was a slave
i believe it's like that (1 drop rule vs %) because natives get paid and don't pay taxes. and US blacks are still asking for reparations owed to us, that have never been given.so My wife is black and native, she has an actual US document that states She is no longer black, but is native now. so she can now start to receive those benefits.
The difference in approach aligns with the difference of intent. With Native Americans (I'm Canadian so I'm making a leap here) the intention was to eventually eliminate the category of "Indian". For many years government thought that was possible through intermarriage and the registering (in my country it's called Status) system. The intention for Black Americans was to have a servant/slave class, therefore the system needed more of "them". The result is what you are talking about--the system wanted more of one and less of the other.
I always had a strong connection to native American culture my whole life. It soothes my soul. Now I found out I have Native American ancestry. Choctaw and Mayan. And African.
This resonates with Jews, too. The Nazis considered those who had three or four Jewish grandparents as Jews, despite any conversions to Christianity.
Doing DNA is important for us to discover who our ancestors were and how our history was built.
"How our history was built" I absolutely loved that
Very different. For indigenous Amerindians, it is lineage, language, and tribal connections from the standpoint of the remaining tribes known to the government during wartime and removal to reservations at that time. It was completed long before you were born. Those connected to tribes know who they are and if you are connected, you should have documentation. Native Americans are fed up with outsiders dressing up as Indians who have zero connection to tribes existing since the arrival of the British because it was the British whose only agenda was to exterminate indigenous Amerindian people; the survivors of the genocide were forcibly removed to reservations deprived of their livelihood and land. No one should be allowed to invent a tribe because they may have a "drop" of Native American admixture anymore than a "drop" of black or white admixture makes them identify as one or the other. Today people can identity as one, two, or more identities on the census so the one drop rule only lives in a person's imagination; it's a choice.
Huge difference!! One gets additional benefits with money and not have to register with draft services.
I didnt know about the draft part
Most Mexican-Americans (and other Latino cultures) have nearly 50% native blood. I’m at 48% but I cannot register as an actual native. My dad has his Yaqui registered being 1/4 by way of his mom culturally, but none of his children will qualify.
That’s a perfect point, and I think many Mexican Americans are finding out just how indigenous they are through DNA tests. 50% is a lot to “not count”.
@Salvadoran PolarBear Yaqui and Comanche (what I’m stemmed from) were interchangeably in the now “border” , regions of the southwest. The Gadston purchase , many residing in the greater regions what is California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas territories are all within the confines of the US. My lineage in the new world is all within this area. I definitely don’t have any grievances, my dad has his place within his nation, just a thought provoking scenario that there are many others just like me. It doesn’t have much to do with the Mexico of today.
I really appreciate your perspective, for many of us, our ancestors stayed on “this side” of the border. There’s some crossover issues with Mexico but this is a very American scenario
Because they are 1/16 and you 1/8! Plus you probably were raised Hispanic
Perhaps too many people take the 'one drop' rule seriously. I do know that I have a lot of White cousins (with 1to 30% African DNA) who are less than helpful in figuring out how we are related. The thing is since there are usually not any issues of endogamy with such DNA matches, figuring out how we are related breaks down many brick walls in my lineage.
I do think it can be taken way too far, I mean....lots of people have a "drop" of something but are predominantly/culturally something else.
Some of those cousins just probably need time to process the reality that they have African ancestry, if they had not known that prior. I hope they'll come around eventually. Because of this, I realize I subconsciously hesitate when reaching out to my white cousins, because I fear they will try to deny our relation :/
I have indigenous ancestry on both sides of my family. I don’t try to step over into their area. I don’t know anything about them, and nobody is ever talked about them other than we knew. I did ancestry DNA test because I had a rare form of ovarian cancer that’s not common in Black people, and it did show that it was there on both sides. My mom said she thinks her grandmother may have had an indigenous parent or grandparents she don’t know for sure. My dad‘s family never mentioned it, but I think it’s because his grandfather was a mixed race (the grandfather’s mother was black and father was white.) I know one of my uncles has a lot of distain for his great grandfather‘s family. We don’t talk to them. They denied it for years and now they know we’re related to them and they don’t like it but oh well.
I hope you are healing well, that sounds like such a stressful time for you. As far as "the family never mentioned it"....well...that seems the be the story for many of us. Im glad you are diving into your family story on your own
@@nytn thanks for the reply and I actually I’m doing well. I’ve been cancer free for quite a few years. Thankfully.
My mom actually started looking into her background because she’s a very light skinned black woman, and she looks nothing like her siblings. I gave her and my son ancestral DNA kits. My daughter and I did ours at the same time.
I learn DNA is a funny thing, because my father was dark skinned black man. But everybody thought my mother was mixed, or had more of a mix heritage than my father, which turned out not to be the case. My mom is 82% African heritage and my dad was like 70%.
My son was interested about his father never ticket interest in him or came around nor did his family so he wanted to know more about his background for health reasons.
My daughter did it because she has very unusual color eyes. She does have a lighter skin tone just like me and my siblings. When she was born she had deep blue eyes but now they’re more hazel but it has one spot on one of her eyes that still blue. Her dad, his father and one of my aunts on my dad side all have green eyes. But in her dad’s family, she has two uncles with blue eyes. One is mixed race, and he has light blue eyes and the other one isn’t and he has deep blue eyes. So I knew she had some curiosity as to why she looked the way she does and that’s why I let her do. The DNA test. When she was born people always question whether she was my child. We do look alike it was just a difference in skin and eye color. The first four years of her life she was so light skinned people felt that she just could not possibly be mine. As she got older and let them know that yes I am her mother then they felt her father couldn’t be black and he is.
We’ve even had people from other countries that believe in those caste systems did nasty to us about being lighter than them, and we told them evidently they don’t know the history of this country. My daughter gets upset because she can’t understand why people treat her is rudely because of her appearance. She said she didn’t asked to look way she looks. But I told her my mom went through it. And if it wasn’t that they would find another reason to mess with her about something. I can honestly say it’s been a lot worse in Nashville than it was in Charlotte.
Im sorry to hear that :( I live in Nashville as well. This comment was hard to read : "She said she didn’t asked to look way she looks". as a mama, this is breaking my heart
It is a heartbreaking. I moved back here because my grandparents were get old and had health problems and I wanted her to know them like my son. There an almost 18 years age difference between my son and daughter. So he knew my great grandparents. Where is she missed out on that. But if I had known it was gonna be like this, I never would’ve moved back here. something kept telling me not to move here, and I should’ve listen to it. My father was murdered two weeks before she was born so he never got to meet her and I lived at a state so I couldn’t come to his funeral. I moved back eight months later and have hated living here. We still waiting for them to solve it and September will be 18 years.
I’m around 1.5-2% Native American my great great grandma is a approximately 1/4 Native American through her father so one of her grandparents is overall Native American ancestry.
Important points folks should understand. The federally recognized tribes are sovereign nations. The tribal nations have the right to determine citizenship or “enrollment “ within their own tribal nation. Some set blood quantum some do linear decent, some allow citizenship for non-native blood descendants of freedman - Cherokee nation is an example. The federal government does not dictate to the tribe what their blood quantum requirements should be. The tribe, the citizens, their chief and counsel determines that.
I just wanted to mention that here in Australia a person is considered Aboriginal Australian if they self identify AND if they are accepted by the indigenous community. There is no blood quantum or 1 drop rule. Of course there has still been a heck of a lot of oppression and discrimination which continues to this day. Just not quantified in the same way in Modern Australia as Native Americans seem to be on the USA.
I really like the idea of including the COMMUNITY side of it. Does the community know who we are and claim us? That should be the most important piece, DNA second. I wonder if Australians always approached it differently than the US
First I should say that I am by no means an expert but I have been working to educate myself about the Indigenous experience in Australia. The current way Aboriginality is defined would definitely be a relatively modern approach. The Australian government has a terrible track record with First Nations people, but I’ve never seen terminology like quantum or drops of blood used. Mixed race children were known as half-caste and there were thousands of kids scooped up by the Australian government, taken from their families and placed in institutions to train them up to be good little domestic workers (the girls) or stockmen (the boys) for the white establishment. The government of that era literally believed that these children could be taught to be white, deprived of their language, family & culture and become assimilated into the European population… and it was in their own best interests. Aboriginal mothers would hide their lighter skinned children or rub mud into their skin to stop them being taken. So no, Australia’s approach hasn’t always been any more enlightened than the US.
So much generational hurt and pain :(
The people who made the one drop rule’s only intention was to stigmatize African blood.
I just found out that my 3rd great GPA was full Creek Indian when my DNA test came back that my grandpa was not my bio-grandpa. My 3rd great gma was his slave 3/4 white , 1/4 black (based on a later census for her son saying he was an octoroon). I plan on enrolling. Because 1 it's my birthright. 2 my 2nd Gpa was denied Citizenship after the civil war when he returned because his father switched back to his Creek name and stopped using a white name so they couldn't find his name. I feel I owe it to him to complete what they owed him. I just found the proof needed the other day. Also the ODR had a cut off point depending on the era and area. Also at 1 point a person that was half white and half NA was legally classified as mulatto on Censuses same as a mixed black person. Now to disenfranchise black & Latino communities from receiving proper tax dollars if you have a white mother or father (it varies by area) you are marked as white. Many Latinos mark white this means when tax dollars get disbursed they say this community is so small they only deserve this small amount if money the White community is so much bigger they need it more. White schools and business all get the biggest chunks.
I am 99.62% Indigenous Karitiana Indians of Rondonia, Brazil (Amazon) from my father, and 95% Yoruba Tribe of Nigeria, and 84.7 % Bantu Tribe of Kenya from my mother. Culturally, I'm always researching my lineage to pass on to my grandchildren. My plans are to travel to South America, and Africa to learn more about my Ancestry.
this is amazing!
Pascua Yaqui & Chiricahua Apache here. I roll with the intertribal organizations which I just love. There's a Ocean of unrecognized Natives in California and we all rock together. We sweat, Drum, sing our songs, sit around our sacred fires, share the Chanupa ( Sacred Pipe) attend our sacred ceremonies, dress in our regalia representing our mother tribes, WE don't care about no roll number, Native is a Heart condition not a roll number.❤
This was beautiful, thank you
If compensation for Blacks ever were passed, the one drop rule would suddenly be erased. The perception is that Indigenous people have a claim to land and some compensation in regards to federal recognition, medical insurance and education as the original inhabitants of this land. Benefits therefore are seen as limited and a criteria was created to monitor who and how one gets them, hence the blood quantum scheme. Since being Black was seen as having no inherent benefit inclusion was not limited and became the default status. It also increased the number of possible people to ensnare in a status of exploitation as colored or simply nonwhite. Simply put both the one drop rule and the blood Quantum rules are there to control who gets what and where and who gets nothing, both are oppressive.
The issue is “black” and African American are misnomer terms. Many of the so called “black” Americans are descendants of aboriginal indigenous Americans
The semoniol Indians always had a problem on both ends of this issue😢
Having more within one group created profit for benefactors (Enslavement = increased revenue). Having very few people within the other group in order to reduce Land and other benefits (costing the gov money = bills).
it's always about profit isnt it :(
If life has taught me anything it is our minds and hearts, no matter our environment or social status, that allow us to thrive or shrivel. We either choose to except or reject any number of social moraes everyday, it's part of what makes ur life different than mine and in noway less relevant.
I'm 65 and so-called "mixed." I grew up having to constantly deal with this issue, always being asked, " "What are you?" I Am what my father is. I agree with the "one drop rule," which is the dominant gene. Continuing to allow the Caucasians to classify and separate us according to what "they" judge is ridiculous and needs to stop. Btw when a baby is born there's a part of the birth certificate that the mother completes and a different part that the doctor/nurse completes that goes to the government where they can identify the child the race they access it to be. Very interesting thank you
Correct! My moms uncle found out from his birth certificate that he was classified as colored. He had no idea until he was in his 50s maybe?
As an Afro-descended myself, I reject the notion of the "One Drop Rule" because it NEVER works the opposite way, so it was intended to be weaponized against us. According to 2 DNA tests I've done, I am around 95% African (Mainly West and Central), 4% European and 1.5% Native American (most likely from Arawak and or Carib Peoples). If the "One Drop Rule" could be used in anyway, I could claim to be white or Native American, some people do with similar percentages because being Black in the Americas was made to be "curse" or "stain" on someone no matter how European or Native they looked, the African Blood would color the whole, which insults our African Ancestry.
Now for Blood Quantum, from what I hear is that it goes against what some tribes considered traditional membership and consideration for an individual in the tribe. It ignores initiation rites and practices. Other People justify it as a way to preserve the DNA of Indigenous Americans, even though there are huge numbers of people in the US and throughout the Americas who still have Native American DNA as a majority of their ancestry, but most of them speak spanish.
You have to be 50 percent Hawaiian by blood quantum from back in 1778 to enroll in Kamehameha Schools in Hawaii (so basically if you can prove you have had family of at least 50 percent Hawaiian blood from before 1778 in order to enroll in this prestigious private schools)
I love hearing about indigenous people from Hawaii because it’s similar to the over US policy but unique
Can you do a topic on the "$5 indian"???
You should watch a documentary called "by blood".
Yes!! I’m working on that right now , such a great suggestion thank you.
@@nytn You are welcome....
Look into the racial integrity act of 1924 and Walter Plecker...
I feel sorry for the ones trying know who they are. Stay positive all of you
One of my 6th great grandma's was the daughter of Chief Skyuka Wauhatchie Glass. Cherokee Nation.
The problem I see in my culture is that everything including blood quantum was passed down through the mother historically.which means some men don’t have a clan and cannot inherit property.
Remember: Native American definition was changed about a year and 6 months ago..
Bring chief warhorse on the show to speak on that subject also
Wasn’t 10% of people checking their DNA for Native Americaness told ehh... your father isn’t your biological father?
LOL, yah that happened for us
It’s called “Other Than Expected Father.”
I think the registration is partly because some tribes have reservations which are largely autonomous and have their own police forces. States can’t prosecute NAs for crimes that happen on a reservation but the feds can. I have friends who are members of tribes and they receive payments from the reservation because the reservation has a casino. Two of the people I know who are sisters and Creek through their grandmother. One looks NA and other looks Scandinavian blonde blue eyed pale.
I have relatives who are tribe members from their other side. On our side we are part Choctaw but I have no desire to try to register. There is some bad blood because another band of Choctaws is blocking their efforts to become federally recognized and we think it’s because of the higher percentage of African DNA.
Yep look at who, what, when,where, and why these were put in place and if the eugenics Ideology is intertwined in this.I know it doesn't match what I found.Alot of the DNA data covers only so much.And let's for sure not forget that when we use certain terms founded in this ideology being used further baits the conversation into a harbinger of the same rhetoric.Besides the fact that I have genealogy, pictures,documents and sources of references for a conducive conversation.
DO YOU KNOW THE HAUDENOSAUNEE LEGENDARY FOUNDINGSTORY?
What gets me is that Mexican Americans also have indigenous ancestry but some families never really talked about it because Mexico or Mexicans look as them as less, which also happened in North America. So lots of them don’t know what nation they belong to or if the Mexican indigenous even called it nations. Why Do some of the American native’s disregard the Mexican natives as indigenous people? Of course not all of Mexicans in Mexico are indigenous.
I completely agree with you!! I made a video about that recently: ua-cam.com/video/y0PvU9Oy2Mw/v-deo.html
Because we Mexicans are completely Conquered by the Europeans blood wise and culturely
@@colinchampollion4420culturally yes but blood I don’t think so most Mexicans look indigenous Mexicans probably look more indigenous than native Americans and First Nations people in Canada.
@@user-ib3uh5nn1n Canadian ~▪︎Indigenous ~ Indians look straight-up Inuit✨️☺️👌!
Ask why is there a division between Natives and blacks?
NYTN - Nice Video ⭐.. I Have To Tell You!! I'm A African American Man!! With Blackfoot & Cherokee In My Ancestors DNA.
I myself never heard of BLOOD QUANTUM. How much American Indian / indigenous blood is sufficient to be considered such?
Must 7 out of one’s 8 great-grandparents be Native American? If so, who devised that requirement: the Indian tribal chiefs or the US government?