Amiga 1200 Plays MP3 - MAS Player
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2013
- Using the MAS Player you can decode MP3 files on a classic Commodore Amiga. Hardware solution:
MAS Player Evolution is a MP3 music decoder for Classic Amiga computers.
MP3 decoder enables your Amiga to play MP3 music files on your hard disk without using your Amiga's CPU to decode the MP3 files. This is very useful for Classic Amigas that do not normally have the computational (CPU) power to play MP3 music.
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I play MP3s on my 1200 30/50 using AMPlifier. It only plays them at a 1/4 of the "usual" KHz but it still sounds good and doesn't stutter. People think I'm crazy as I have my gaming PC in the same room. I do it because I can.
Amiga has 14 bit sound processor. Can be seen (heard) in original Cannon Fodder intro "Never been so much fun" which had me (and my PC friends) completely blown away.
Moreover quality of early (cheap obviously) Soundblaster audio cards on PC weren't even close to chipset being put in Amiga. Timing errors and lack of proper power grid "hum" filtering was wery common.
So - yeah - theoretically Amiga was not able play MP3s with proper quality. Practically I remember some late high school ('97) parties where friend with his very powerful Amiga (Elbox 1260? 1240?) was being asked to bring it and connecto to anothers friend high quality stereo with some hot-shot analog-lamp amplifier.
For people who don't like it... If you ever had Amiga and you tried to play ANY mp3 on this computer... ANY mp3 was beautiful :). I remember my 040/33Mhz to play mp3 (like I told you ANY mp3 ;) ) was amazing experience itself. SongPlayer was best...
Very informative video about the MAS player. Thanks!
nice.. when i used the amiga 1200 with 030 turbo card i was able to use winamp, makecd for burning a cd with two devices and quake simultaneously, mate. that little hardware was way more useful than people think today...
Sir, you have an amazing voice. I hope we all see more Amiga related videos from you.
I've played MP3's on my A1200 with a Blizzard 1230IV and no MAS Player :)
YES, lots of people on here talking about playing MP3s on their Amigas without extra hardware. This video is about a piece of hardware that does the work (so your machine is not chugging) and outputs CD quality which the Amigas could not do.
MP3s are lossy. they are not CD quality.
.wav format samples on the PC though, dating back to 1991, can substantially exceed CD quality, and don't require dedicated decoder hardware to play.
Thank you! The project is a lot farther along than that video, though; if you're interested, click on the link in the description to our forum thread.
Nice choice of songs. I liked the first two.
Both of the songs are together on my Winamp list too as I downloaded them both on the same night! I always associate them together.
I remember 20 years ago on my a1200+blizzard060 calibrating AHI to use 2 overlapping 8bit channels to output "16bit" or calculated to be more like 14bit sound. Also the maximum frequency was determined by your screen resolution, the higher the khz the better. Mp3's sounded just fine scaled down to 14bit/28khz, 160kbps was also fine hovering at about 60% cpu usage, while 128kbps was about 40%.
Hehe. Oh those were the days. I had quite a decent setup at the time with an 040 accelerator card in my Amiga 1200. It ran at 28mhz and playing mp3's was a pain, as it used to stall every few seconds, so I opted for overclocking the CPU to 32mhz. Worked fine and was a great deal better than what any PC could do at the time. Actually had it emulating a PC ran windows 95 on it, just for fun of course and to show the mates what an Amiga could do.
Great video. I had no idea this was possible.
What an awesome review, funny and detailed!
Oh I had such high hopes. I loved all of my Amigas (i owned all of them) dearly. I've tried hard to find a reason to own another one but I just can't come up with one :( Fantastic machine but I can't find a practical use today. At the time it was the closest I could get to a Unix style OS, with true multitasking. Then there was Linux, and now OSX. OSX is what I desperately wanted my Amiga to be. RIP My past love. I'll always miss those drag down custom screens. [A]M and [A]N in my memory forever.
Thanks for the review :)
Another way to play music files on a standard Amiga is to use uncompressed audio. As hard drive space is so cheap these days it doesn't really matter how big they are, you can rip your CD's using Exact Audio Copy (as WAV files) and then play them back easily using Amiga AMP.
AmigaKit are great. I got my first Catweasel from them. They don't have a lot of stuff in stock, lately.
Well it can route audio via AHI if you have AHI installed and there are plugins to allow you to use it in AmigaAMP for example so you can stream audio that way.
You can also stream MP3s -shoutcast- from the internet. Works fine on my A1200 with ACA1230/28.
I wonder what performance would be with a 030, 040 or 060.
I still have my A1200 tower that Eyetech said at the time (1999) was the most upgraded Amiga they had ever done. It was a truly maxed out Amiga!
Keep up with the Amiga videos :)
You really have some cool gear! Love it :)
Great video and great computer :)
I use OS 3.9 on my A1200 (released in 2002) so it has a few nice enhancements over 3.0/1. Shell drag & drop is one of them, I think it just uses ViNCEEd as a CLI replacement which you can download for free from Aminet anyway, or replace the Shell with something like KingCon for the same functionality.
KingCon works well - I've been pleased with it on an emulated A1200.
I can confirm, it does stream just fine, providing you stick to streams of 128kbps or less.
Interesting. In reply to throwing down your bogus challenge to a 1992 PC to defeat an Amiga equipped with 2013 hardware not available until ten years later:
Nobody has to run a ten-year-old computer, nor should they. Secondly, playing MP3 had become a moot point long before this 2013 video. By then MP3 players were already a non-issue for multiple different classes of consumer device, including desktop PCs, MP3 players and smartphones. It's the worst case of playing catch-up to claim your desktop can play MP3s in 2013, and lay down such a challenge, when standard PCs have shipped with MP3 players since 1999, 14 years before you were talking about this and within a year of the word's first MP3 player. 3. Guess what? You can't do it on a 1992 Amiga with 1992 Amiga hardware either. So it's a bit difficult to see what your point is, "Look at me, finally being able to play MP3s, 14 years after everybody could"?
Nevertheless. I have bothered to find out how it looks for the PC, given your false mandate of dragging a desktop computer for over a decade, which nobody needs to do, and shouldn't: Socket 3 PCs first became available in 1991, before the A1200. By February 1995 Pentium class Socket-3 compatible CPU upgrades became available for them. With any digital sound card of the day, a 1995 PC, thereby upgraded, will have been capable of playing 320kbps 16bit MP3s, without skipping, at 38% CPU load. So.... even with your Amiga upgrade, which didn't exist until 2013, you still can't match a 1991 Socket 3 PC with a1995 CPU upgrade.
That's setting aside the fact MP3 is a lossy format and before MP3 existed the PCs own .wav format, part of the R64 European broadcast standard today in 2021, can encode samples of a far higher sample rate than MP3 or CD, with higher digital resolution and more channels, and even by 1992 consumer-level sound cards, such as the GUS, were already capable of producing 14 channel CD quality sound. I say "consumer level" because of course for Amiga fans there's something illegal about factoring professional grade audio-mastering subsystems, such as those which have been available for the PC since before the Amiga existed in any form. Personally, I like pro grade equipment and think it's comical that Amiga fans like to pretend it's somehow illegal to own, purely because it's so obviously better than an Amiga and too expensive for them to buy.
So your challenge to upgrade 1992 hardware to play MP3s appears to sidestep the fact even consumer grade PCs had better than MP3 sound by the 1991 date you specify, and PCs with audio hardware for professionals exceeded this even before the Amiga existed.
Meanwhile, in 1995 - the same year as the Socket-3 Intel Pentium Overdrive processor upgrades were released - the Cyrix 5x86 and AMD Am5x86 Pentium class Socket 3 compatible 486 upgrades also became available.
So, you had to wait until 2013 to play MP3s and, given MP3 players were first available in 1998, you are behind the curve here by close to 15 years.
Conclusion:
Q. How are you getting along with a 1992 PC then?
A. Even better by 1995 than the 2013 Amiga you're showing.
You might also like to know that the first Intel chip in the 486 range with performance sufficient to play at least *some* MP3s is the 486DX2, and by 1992 - the date you specify in your challenge - the 486DX2 was already on the market, and it was before the MP3 standard even existed. By the time your 2013 MP3 adaptor was available, standard PCs packaged with MP3 players had been available for 14 years.
Encoder/Decoder software was available for the PC before the 1990s were over. The PCs full featured Telco Audactive professional MP3 studio was available in 1999. One of the first portable MP3 players, the famous PC compatible Rio MP3 player, was available in 1998, the same year the world's first portable MP3 player was released. MP3 playing PC software available in 1998: Microsoft NetShow, Windows Media Technologies 4.0, which provided MP3 encoding as well as decoding was available, cost-free. RealNetworks RealPlayer G2 could play MP3s in 1998. By 1999 the market had opened up somewhat and by then MusicMatch Jukebox, Nad, WinAmp and Microsoft Media Player at least could all play MP3s. The footage below shows a 1994 486DX4 playing every MP3 format up to 320kbps at 86% load without stuttering. So the PC hardware used to demo 320kbps MP3s not only predates the Amiga upgrade in your demo by 17 years, it predates the existence of the MP3 format by 4 years.
Personally Dan, given the MP3 standard wasn't even a public concern until after the first portable players of about 1998, I don't really see the "win" in pointing out a 1992 PC compatible which predates the existence of the MP3 standard, couldn't play MP3s, at a time when nothing else did either. In the real word nobody had to wait for an already obsolete 2013 upgrade to a previously obsolete 1992 computer before listening to MP3s on desktop PCs, or MP3 players and smartphones so the "challenge" is totally superfluous.
By the time that add-on came out in 2010+ MP3s were not news for anybody, except obviously for technologically crippled Amiga masochists. By 2013 I wasn't uselessly holding onto an obsolete piece of hardware still trying to prove a point a decade after the battle was won and lost. By 2013 people had moved on from MP3 players and were doing things like this on their PC (PC video game footage dated February 2013):
ua-cam.com/video/p3tLzQb8Zmw/v-deo.html
Here, I even found you an example of a socket 3 PC with a variety of CPU choices playing 320kbps MP3s with a 1995 CPU at 38% CPU load or a 1994 CPU at 86%. The video below with 320kbps MP3s playing on PC hardware available by 1995 is CPU only and precludes the existence of MP3 accelerator cards which were also available for the PC long before 2013. One of the ironies of general purpose PC sound cards with MP3 acceleration, such as the 1999 Diamond Media Monster MX400, which also included an FM radio tuner as well as MP3 acceleration is, by the time they arrived at the end of the 1990s they were already redundant because PC CPUs already didn't need accelerators for any MP3 format.
Anyway, in answer to your question "How about upgrading a 1992 PC to do this?": Socket-3 486 PC motherboards were available in 1991, before the A1200 was released in October 1992. Already by 1994 these Socket-3 PCs were upgradable with CPUs which could play all MP3s including 320kbps transcoding standard without skipping. By 1995 the same socket 3 boards were upgradable with Pentium class socket-3 compatible CPUs including the Pentium Overdrive which could again play 320kbps MP3s but now at less than 40% CPU usage without requiring decoder hardware. Oh and I mean you could do this *with hardware you could actually get in 1994*.
ua-cam.com/video/b0zZpzxHSeM/v-deo.html
So.... that's my answer to "How you doing with MP3s on PC?".
Back in the real-world, where people who were not Amiga users didn't need to stick to the upgrade path you stipulated, people buying new PCs were already buying P54C second generation full-spec Pentiums for Socket 5 motherboards before 1994 was through. By contrast, the world's first MP3 players were the MPMan and PC compatible Rio PMP300, which were not on the market before 1998, therefore PCs more than capable of playing MP3s, in any format, without support hardware, predate the MP3 epoch.
OK Dan.... here's a pub quiz for you:
Q. Written by Fraunhofer, inventor of the MP3 format, what was the first ever public release of software able to encode or decode MP3s?
A. L3enc, a PC command-line app, July 13th 1994.
Q. What was the world's first real-time MP3 player?
A. WinPlay3 for Windows, 9th September 1995, years before any MP3 players existed. Again, written by Fraunhofer, inventor of the MP3 standard.
Q. In what year did publishers first distribute music in MP3 format?
A. 1999. Four years after you could do it on a home PC.
All this, as I say, is still ignoring the existence of higher-quality lossless audio-standards which were already available for the PC before MP3 arrived. That including the .wav PC standard, dating back to 1991, a container which is capable of encoding CD quality and higher than CD quality sound and this PC file type is the format Fraunhofer's first ever public MP3 encoder encoded from. It's also the basis of the present-day European BWF and RF64 2.0 audio broadcast and archiving standards.
So, in conclusion, why you think you're ahead of the curve, playing MP3s in 2013, is a mystery to me. The earliest you could have encoded or decoded MP3s whether in real time or as a compression/decompression process was with a PC. This also means by inference that the earliest MP3s started their life encoded on PCs from samples stored on PCs in .wav format, because that's exactly how the first encoder worked. While the exact process varies I expect most conversion to MP3 has always been done on PC.
That's why I prefer the PC: Once you've put away all the entertainment and recreational apps, which is most things on an Amiga, if you then want to do any real work, then the Amiga is almost useless. Hitting a big red button and watching a recursively rendered sphere pop out may be satisfying to do but it is ultimately worthless. Whereas of course MP3s obviously haven't been worthless, that's why you're using them. That's why more people today are using MP3s and not ray tracing spheres. People don't really want to ray-trace spheres, it isn't a useful activity. It's also true that you have the PC and its ecosystem to thank. The Amiga is a bunch of entertaining whizz-bang applications which don't do anything anybody needs to do. The Amiga is a toy desktop computer for children.
From the beginning and at every stage in the format's growth, the PC has been the better platform.
Very nice wallpaper
WOw cool addition to an Amiga 1200. I think I have a similar setup to yours. That is I have a daughterboard installed with 40Mhz CPU and 60Mb of ram. Would be interesting to see if the device works even better on a faster clocked machine.
This is OS3.9, Vinceed is shipped as part of it so it does have the functionality built in. But yeah, I replaced it with KingCON which is what you see in this vid. :-)
Dan, I've seen both your Mas player review and the Prisma review with challenges. At this point, if I just want to play streaming radio on my Amiga 1200/030-50 and on my 3000/060-50, what would you recommend for which? Mas Player is cheaper, but hangs off the back and prisma looks like an easy and clean it into the 3000, but kinda messy for the 1200 especially since I an't figure out where the cables would come out considering my backplate is used for the Indivision. SO I'm thinking Mas for 1200 and Prisma for 3000, but watching your challenges with Prisma has me second guessing
Yes, it just redirects the Amiga's output through it and mixes it, so anything the Amiga outputs goes into it.
excellent video ! I love them
how did you made to attach a compact flash module and use a modern workbench?
wonder if it could stream video streams with a little tweaking?
Ahh thx for clearing that up man. I replaced/deactivated it years ago and just forgot it came with 3.9 by default.Had some problems that I don't remember as well.
Just plugged a WB3.1 disk in the drive to test it since I have replaced WB3.9 with Scalos on WinUAE and use 3.1 on the real thing.
Not so smart in the end as it seems.^^
But I still think nebby6 got it somehow wrong in the first place.
Also can I ask...Does the MAS actually make the sound close to CD-ish quality or does it simply stop the CPU stuttering? What I mean is does the MAS replace most of the CPU work but still shoves the sound through Paula so it sounds poor? I think I'm talking about the KHz output ie is it 44KHz?
No the audio comes from the MPEG chip in the MAS Player, not Paula. So it is 44/48khz yeah.
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Shweet...Looks like more money I need to spend on my 1200. Waiting for Amigakit to get those internal 300w PSUs back in stock so I can buy an IndivisionAGA.
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Is there really a masplayer for th 64? This I've got to see. Can you tell me where I can see one.? BTW your mas player is AWESOME dude.
Hallo Dan, Nice Video waths the specs of the A1200 tk and witch OS Intallt
Geadings from Swiss
Dan, one question, with a Aca 1233n 128mb, mas player plays without problem mp3, with a blizzard 1230 mk iv 32mb with fpu it has some that dont play correctly with crc error and playing them with sound cuts... what can it be?does it need more ram? 128mb on the blizzard?
Yep it has an 030 accelerator in the trapdoor
since posted late jun 2013 , thanks for keeping Amiga alive, David h, and coders would be happy classic Amiga screen screen drop , with classic game image , ie lemmings and others , Dopus.. Nica go back to your windows
Your kickstart looks a lot cleaner than mine ^^ Currently i'm running Kickstart 39.106 and it appears quite basic up to yours...
Perhaps it is Amiga in a Box ? You can find the installer floppy images on Google.
so you havent got any sound quality improvement of paula ?
Hi Dan. I know it is quite old video, nevertheless I am thinking about replacing my cd rom drive in A1200 with MAS MP3. I have overclocked 68020@45MHz. Can I play a mp3 from MAS on the background while paying Gloom? You know, I am using CDrom as a background music player with Quake2 soundtrack :) What do you say?
Have you installed os 3.9 or higher, or is it a classic wb? I have any problems with the resolution and the colors.
Hello, i am thinking buy one of this but I still have a Doubt, you know, for example, if i dont listening any MP3 music, and just i want play any game, or hear .Mod Music i will need disconnect the Mas-player from the Parallel port, or the Native Amiga Sound Chip (Paula) will output from the Mas-Player Audio Outputs? Or even is possible hear MP3 and Amiga system sound in the same time?.
I will apreciate if you can let me know about.
Thanks!
The MAS Player has a passthrough, you plug it into the Amiga's RCA/Phono ports and it mixes Amiga audio with the MPEG chip output, so no unplugging needed, and yeah you can have MP3 and Amiga sound at the same time.
there was a time when that machines 8 bit sound hardware and 4 separate channels with digitised samples was far ahead of any other platform, but yeah the pc was better in the end
Hey, that is only a 25MHz machine? It seems so much faster than mine...with the ACA1230-42...does the indivision make the graphics faster? Do you have a FastATA card? I wonder why mine is still so slow...I don't have it in front of me now but it seems like my Altera DE1 with the turbo Chameleon de-port is faster than my real A1200...but the hard drive speed is only 1.3MB/s
Thats nice Device. Do you know this could work in any Standard (14mhz) A1200?.
I think "AMPlifier" lets you select the MASplayer device for playing MP3s.
Cool now make a button in Dopus to launch the Mas player when you open an .mp3
Wow! I had several amigas in the 90s and used cli/shell all the time, but I never knew you could drag a icon onto a shell window to get the path/file name.
Are you using a special Cli/shell program ?
It works with an A500 even, the parallel port is the same speed on all Amigas.
just read "known problems" section on Aminet about this little gizmo, it doesn't "check" weather the device is connected or not, it just drains CPU if its *not* connected when you attempt to play. lol Although, won't crash system, it must not be very good on resources if left. Sounds like something they should fix.
Reminds me allot of Adobe flash.
What system font are you using?
The best player is SongPlayer 1.53 and Prayer2. AmigaAMP no support native 14-bit audio on Paula without AHI.
Hello,
How do you get that amiga black Shell ?
Regards
I tried the commands in the previous posts but i got na error!
Atari Falcon (1992) plays Mp3's ;) wonder if this MAS player works on the ST... or the XE :D
nice video, could you play better sound quality mp3 if you use like blizzard accel. cards?
+smutkovski maybe slightly, but you're still limited by the speed of the Amiga's parallel port. A clock port or Zorro solution should handle higher bitrates.
you said 25Mhz A1200, this mean that you have a turbo card as well, am I correct?
That was really cool, unfortunetly i do not think i will get one. MP3 are probably better on newer hardware.
Did the same on my 030/50Mhz - players were able to downsample to 8 bit/11 kHz afair :)
does it supports AHI ?
Can someone here explain why a 68k based device needs a hardware decoder for the MP3 format if my ancient PalmOS device using a 68k CPU could do it in software? Or the Macs that used the same CPU?
I don't know what kind of quality the other machines are playing but I'm sure it could be done on the Amiga too. They've managed to get MP3 playback on the C64's 1MHz 6510 (no, it doesn't sound great, but it works) so anything is possible.
You should precise what you mean by 68k based devices as there is a range from very slow low cost 68000 8MHz to "hundred times" faster 68060 66MHz (which could be overclocked to 100MHz and sometimes more). You can listen mp3 with software decoding using 68060 or 68040 40MHz (don't know how high bitrate). 25MHz 68030/68020 are obviously too slow to play mp3 in good quality (68040 25MHz is 4 times faster than 68030 25MHz). I managed to play mp3 on 68020 28MHz, but it was mono and low bitrate. A1200 have 68EC020 14MHz onboard if you ask, techguuruk said he have 25MHz, so he have some expansion inside, then again 25MHz is still not enough.
And by the way, could you sware, that those PalmOS you mentioned doesn't have a DSP onboard (sound processor)? what are your specs? Atari Falcon have 68030 16Mhz onboard, but since it has also DSP, playing mp3 is easy task. Amiga doesn't have DSP, but there are sound card expansions (though it's cheaper to buy decoder than soundcard).
As someone said, you can play mp3 on C64 1MHz CPU, but what kind of quality would you expect?
pigpenthegreat
I have a A1200 68020 stock I played mpeg3 with the amiga win amp player no problem at all. 2 megs of ram. It was ok . Really since it was done on a c64 you know I did it with an Amiga stock oh yeah I did it with my friends Amiga 1000 also at his store called Computer Connection .Software with the kickstart upgrade.
***** I had an 68LC040 running at 33mhz and was unable to play any MP3 on my Macintosh Performa 575 back in the day. It's great that you could play an MP3 on a 68020 based Amiga using software decoding but try doing anything else at the same time.
***** You forgot to mention how low bitrate you had to play it on 14MHz 68020 and it is also mono and 22kHz. Playing mp3s with plausible quality requires more powerfull CPU like 68040 40MHz.
Try playing MP3s on a 1992 PC with a 25mhz processor and see how far you get.
What a statement..... well..... try playing an MP3 on a Amiga *using hardware as would have actually existed in 1992* and see how far you get with that.
What's your point? "If somebody had made this new hardware back then?". It's imaginary. They *didn't* make that hardware back then, so you *couldn't* play MP3s on an Amiga in 1992 either.
It seems like a pretty brainless thing, to throw down that challenge to a 1992 PC when the MP3 standard wasn't finalised until 1993. I don't see much point in challenging the PC to handle a format which didn't exist in the date you're setting, except to prove a completely vacuous point, especially at a time when obviously no hardware to do it on the Amiga existed then either.
No commercial MP3 applications existed until 1994 and the world's first MP3 player is dated to 1997, but didn't reach the market until 1998. MP3 didn't really exist as a market until 1999, by that time, the PC could handle it.
As well as that, what's the point of throwing down a "play an MP3" challenge when for music in 1993 I would have been using a far better standard of CD player in a far better Pioneer stacking stereo to play a then substantial CD collection? What use is a desktop MP3 player?
"Yeah but the point is, if somebody had made....". Yes, but somebody didn't.
If somebody makes an add-in board for the PC in 2030 which has 64bit sound, do we get to boast you could play 64bit sound on a 1984 PC even thought the hardware we're considering didn't exist on the date we're setting? I may as well say "Good luck with an Amiga in 1984, doing the sort of thing you can do today on the PC you're using right now in 2020!", if we're allowed to appeal to hardware which didn't exist yet in the time your specifying then it makes about the same sense.
It's a totally brainless challenge on multiple different levels.
So.... show me MP3 players for a 1992 Amiga then... with a hardware and software combination that actually existed then... you can't, because we already know from the history of the MP3 format itself that there weren't any Amiga players which could do it in 1992.
So what sense does your challenge really make after giving it about three minutes thought?
Just as it always is with Amiga fans, the comparison relies on an imaginary and distorted timeline when comparisons are made with Amiga developments which are sent back to an imaginary time in history before they existed. If we delete your own fantasy from the equation and return to cold hard material truth then 16bit sound existed in hardware form for the PC at the latest with Compusonics audio mastering systems... before *ANY* Amiga existed. That's what happens when you Don't base your comparison on an Amiga fan-fiction. You couldn't even buy an Amiga in 1984 when the first compressed 16 bit PC sound subsystems emerged.
Being finally able to play MP3s on an Amiga in 2013 is NOT news favouring the Amiga. Windows Media Player, Winamp, MusicMatch, Audiograbber and Sonique were just a selection of the examples of software MP3 encoder/decoders which existed for the PC... last millennium, at about the same time as the first commercial MP3 players came to market. Of course, PCs could play 16bit digital sound before MP3. For the sake of additional examples: A 1991 consumer-grade Gravis Ultrasound GF1 chip can playback 32 digital-mono or 16 digital-stereo channels, with 14 channel polyphony at the 16bit 44.1Khz CD quality playback standard a 1991 GUS supports has the same audio throughput as 7 CD players playing simultaneously. That's lossless, and higher-quality than an MP3 player, in 1991. This is mention now of only standard consumer-level products and I omit also-available PC -compatible professional sound devices.
Of course, on the other hand, the Microsoft .wav format can encode 32bit sound in excess of 44.1Khz CD playback rates. It doesn't require a decoder and it dates back to 1991. In fact, because .wav can encode sample rates of up to 4.3Ghz in several thousand channels it is used in scientific digital signal processing applications. It is also the basis for the European Broadcast RF64 broadcasting and sound archiving-grade audio standard.
"Try playing MP3 sound on a PC on a date before the format existed and see how it compares to an Amiga with hardware which didn't exist for another twenty years!". Yeah, totally realistic.
Tell me.... and my curiosity is sincere... how are you doing with playing MP3s on Amigas with hardware/software combinations... at dates where they can be shown to have *actually existed*?
AmigaOS 3.9 yeah
320 quality is overboard even modern pc's. I prefer 192 ones or if want to go Hi-Fi, then flac ofc. But 160-192 is quite suffient, for any system really.
Wish my 4 GHz x 8-core 32 GB RAM Ubuntu machine would do that today!
Will this also work on my Amiga 1500?
I think Amigakit recommended atleast 1 mb of RAM and mp3s with 192k or less
But of course, depending on your setup, it might work but on a default 500 I doubt it
I guess this is not the real Amiga shell it seems to be a replacement like ViNCEd or KingCon but its a cool feature anyway...
This is not a flame but a genuine question, I used an Amiga for many years, and loved the system.
I'm presuming this is not your only computer. Why would you spend £50 for something any computer made in the last fifteen years could do without spending any extra money?
Same reason you spend money on anything retro, "because you can". It's fun to see how far you can push old systems, and I get a kick out of seeing a 22 year old computer doing modern things like streaming internet radio etc. Just a hobby really.
Fair enough. The Amiga is probably the reason that I still can't function without (Windows) Directory Opus. Plus, the Windows Explorer is literally one of the few built-in systems that actually got worse from XP to Win7.
You sound like my girlfriend! ;P
Dan Wood (kookytech.net) Great answer Dan. Thanks to this video, I really would love to get a 1200 set up with a MAS player with a folder of .pls files for SomaFM for streaming music. Sure I could continue to stream SomaFM from my tablet to a Bluetooth speaker but there's something appealing in doing the same on a Commodore.
+yogibear2k10 what's wrong with people having a hobby? people also collect old used stamps for gods sake. if it makes him happy then I don't see why you need to insult him over it.
AIFF-ADP4
I think it's called Xen
Cool...!
Dude, why wouldn't there be a way to use it for streaming audio? Amiga makes it possible! I reckon there's a way to do it. I also wonder if it would work with any high-speed parallel port expansions, might work a little nicer on those.
im waiting for amigakit to get more subway's in stock
Amiga fan-base mysteries: How they speak of "custom" hardware, as if that means something in itself.
I'm hard pressed to think of any example of any home computer designed for games which didn't have "custom" hardware.
The only difference between the Amiga and other games machines is there's no other platform whose ASICS people routinely /describe/ as "custom", even when they are.
Talking of which, little known fact: The sprite hardware in a Commodore 64 can be pressed to move more pixels per frame, and take less CPU time per frame doing it, than the blitter can in the Amiga.
Also little talked about by Amiga fans: The blitter is slow af. In later Amigas the blitter is useless as the 680x0 series chips quickly overtook it.
If it struggles with a bitrate of 320, I don't imagine it wouldn't have trouble with a VBR track.
Amiga is the only that can multitask still.
LOL. False.
How have you made a black Shell?!
Just bit of ANSI in the Shell-Startup in S:
; $VER: Shell-Startup 52.1 (15.12.2006)
Alias NewShell NewShell KCon:0/0/-1/-1/KingCon/Close
Alias NewCLI NewCLI KCon:0/0/-1/-1/KingCon/Close
Prompt "%N.%S> "
Alias Clear "Echo NOLINE *"*E[0;0H*E[J*" "
Alias Cls Clear
Alias XCopy "Copy CLONE "
Alias Italic "Echo NOLINE *"*E[3m*""
Alias Bold "Echo NOLINE *"*E[1m*""
Alias Normal "Echo NOLINE *"*E[0m*""
Alias Underline "Echo NOLINE *"*E[4m*""
alias reverse "echo *"*E[>1m*E[30;41m*E[0;0H*E[J*""
alias normal "echo *"*E[>0m*E[31;40m*E[0;0H*E[J*""
reverse
prompt "*E[1m*E[33m%N.%S>*E[0m*E[32m*E[41m "
Thanks!
A Pentium 120 MegaHertz can't play over 128 kilobit. And even then the Intel Pentium is 100 % max overloaded.
Rubbish.
...bludgeoned with a dead fish,ehh?
Guess what I felt like when nova pointed out that VincEd is part of 3.9. ;-)
i see a shadow of competition pro!!!!!
You could but even 060 was to slow to play 196kbit MP3 in stereo.
New DIY Masplayer Pro2 Plus available: gitlab.com/marceljaehne/amiga-mas-player-pro2
Also for A1000, too.
I want Ogg Vorbis playback ;)
Justin Raug Veggerby Ogg, AAC (most important to me), and FLAC would do it.
Clearly a one-off installer needs a special font...
Pretty easy really, Dave Webster made a nice tutorial on it watch?v=x_LT5eDNQOI
I know but what does it have to do with a replaced shell?
Do you even know about ViNCEd or KingCon?
Maybe it was another patch that enables drag and drop of filenames into a CLI window.I sit infront of a fresh 3.1 WB,opened a CLI and dropped the prefs drawer.Guess what?It does not work!So it is a replacement or a tweak/patch!
CLI is not Workbench dude.CLI is just (C)omand (L)ine (I)nterface in terms of a Shell.It is not the WB or AmigaDos!!!
Did you get it now?
With kind regards a smartass ;-)
Convincing.
If you'd bought an Amiga A1200 in 1992, then, by the time PC games looked like this:
ua-cam.com/video/VeIn3WjbVbw/v-deo.html
...you'd be able to play MP3s on it...
...over a decade later than standard-issue PCs could play them...
...just as PCs with 3Ghz CPUs were coming to market...
...the PC representing the most historically successful and ubiquitous ongoing computing platform, which has, since 2000, been able to run software emulations of Amigas faster than any real Commodore hardware, for £10.
The video above is a great sales pitch, for people so hard up that in 2013 they were still reduced to continuing to use a desktop computer over a decade old, a desktop computer which appeared in the year before Doom came along in 1993 and performed a final merciful headshot upon the Amiga's long-suffering carcass.
In 2013, if you really wanted to use an Amiga, and you also wanted to listen to MP3s, you were already better off running WinUAE on a PC and keeping your MP3s on a PC, Flash RAM or cellphone.
In fact, it would be a waste of money to buy this hardware in 2013 unless you really couldn't afford a PC, or a cell-phone.
When this video was made, 160GB iPod Classics were available.
Even in 2013 this Amiga MP3 player has no purpose except for people too poor to buy an MP3 player or smartphone.
Hate to say it, but this looks rubbish. A £10 mp3 player would do a better job. The parallel port is pretty heavy on the Amiga, and slow xfer, hence why it cant handle even a 192kbps file. Disappointing it doesn't come as an AHI driver so that you can use your favourite mp3 player such as AmigaAMP to route the audio through it. - Which I guess probably also means you didn't manage to stream online radio either. Though it costs a lot more, I had much better performance out of a BlizzardPPC.
Well... not very impressive comparing to this device: /watch?v=2-oBNh0UkQc
No crashes, no lag - on a 8-bit computer.
This is cheesy as hell. I hate MP3. 68000 processor should be used for something cool, not this shit.
Andrew Piatek I think that's the idea. The MAS player allows the Amiga to play MP3 files while the 68K can simultaneously be used for something else, possibly even something cool. You could load up an MP3 playlist in the background while playing a game, chatting on IRC, using a BBS, or surfing a web and experience little if any slowdown.
scubaspi MASplayer does all the processing. Amiga only streams data to parallel port. The problem is that accessing ports is really slow, every CPU slows down to abstractive 700kHz while accessing serial or parallel port, so you can easily choke down CPU with those accesses wasting up to 90% (more powerfull CPU is more powerfull waste) computing power of your cpu.