The Terrible 1871 Wickenburg Stagecoach Attack. OUT ON THE TRAIL.
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Where were they buried? The few cookie crumbs I could uncover:
1. Based upon a letter that William Kruger wrote for Loring’s father, 5 of the men who died at the scene were reportedly buried in Wickenburg on November 6th, 3 hours after a hastily called inquest.
2. The 6th man, William Salmon, was not discovered until the morning of the 6th and was reportedly buried in a “deep cut in the hillside.”
3. Later reports claim that his remains were exhumed from the hillside and laid next to the other 5 men several weeks or months later.
4. For unexplained reasons, the local graves of these men were reportedly “disturbed” in 1949 and then disappeared from local records
5. The original location of their presumed graves in Wickenburg is a matter of some conjecture, but would likely have been either the Stone Park Cemetery or the so-called “Lumber Yard” Cemetery (the present location of the Wickenburg Sun).
6. No other public cemeteries were known to exist at that time and there is no documented proof establishing either cemetery as the burial site for the victims.
7. Another speculation is that Henry Wickenburg may have donated space for the burials in his private plot.
8. According to one of the books I researched, “The bodies of the five victims, which were immediately taken to Wickenburg, were interred side by side in the southeast corner of the private graveyard set aside by Henry Wickenburg.”
9. But if this was the site of interment the graves are no longer there.
10. In the years that followed, the remains were said to have been exhumed and re-interred at least twice to new locations.
11. The last re-interment may have returned the remains to the original site of the ambush - at least according to legend.
12. All that said, there’s a very good chance that they are still buried here.
Unfortunately, there are no burial records.
And so it is for poor Molly Sheppard.
No picture, no grave…
All apparently lost to the Sands of Time.
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That was a very riveting history lesson. The scenery was like it looked when this event happened. I enjoyed this very much, but feel sorry for the victims how terrifying it must have been for all of them.
It's so refreshing to hear the confidence of calling out someone on a unacceptable behavior. Thank you ❤
"Space-cowgirl, i'll bet we weren't ready for that! [I'm sure you know where it's at, ya, ya."]
I agree. People need to be called out on being rude and having ugly behavior.
Business 101, Never, ever, under ANY circumstances, mistreat your customer. Ever.
I smell a large rat and read from very gullible commenters.
unless your job is law enforcement, and which case the customer is always wrong
What a great period picture of Frederick Loring and a great story! Apparently, this photo, with his mule, named Evil Merodach, was taken a mere 48 hours before his death. That young man had an entire life of accomplishment ahead of him. It was snuffed out in an instant in the middle of nowhere.
Sad.
Would you be interested in The Mountain meadow massacre,Utah
September 7 to 11 185140 Mormons were kill of Indians.BAKER-FANCHEA WAGON TRAIN.
This is a very interesting and horrific story and we live about an hour or so from the site. It's beautiful country but when we pass by it, the hairs stand up on my arms. Very spooky.
Massacured by mormons dressed as I Indians
I live in Minnesota. We have a site out by Howard Lake, Mn. In the 1800’s there was a family moving by buck board from one small town to the other. They were driving across the prairie. Several Native Americans approached them and killed the family. This happened during the Indian uprising in Minnesota at the same time of the Civil War. I believe one of the children survived. The rest were buried in the cemetery.
I am actually doing a story there, it was the Sioux, and Dakota but it’s not that story it’s a different one. But Yep I’ll be passing through there next week
@@FacesoftheForgotten There’s lots of stories in Minnesota because of the Sioux uprising. Thanks for coming to Minnesota to do a story. It will be interesting to hear your story and to find out if I know it. Take Care
I will be looking forward to these stories too. There is a museum that my 4th grade class went to. It has a real stage coach in it that people were murdered in by cowboy bandits. The blood stains of the victims are still visible.
@@IamSquirrel Hi, where is this museum? Thanks
@@donnaboisen6003 it’s the Northwest Museum of Arts and Culture in Spokane Washington. It’s also in a historical district. I don’t live there but will travel across the state to see new things there. The Campbell House next to it is also a must see.
I bet most of the killed were buried right there even if they had 4 in coffins in Wickenburg and then brought back to this site for burial. RIP to all.
Hi 👋 everyone watching from Sallisaw Oklahoma how is everyone doing tonight
Thank you for telling the story of these brave people. Each individual contributed to “history” in this country. It was heartbreaking and frightening to understand what they went through. I appreciate the way you presented with such respect and honor. The location seemed haunting! R.I.P.
I bet driving that Polaris was so much fun...
Very interesting, Have you read about the - Canyon Springs station stagecoach robbery in westen county wyoming? Or the Metz family massacre south west of custer sd. all good reads. i live roughly 20 miles from both.
Can't wait! Hope everyone is having a great Sunday! I'm up in Bar Harbor ⚓ Maine for supper. Route #66! Then will be looking for this episode 😎
Can you imagine the lack of comfort having to ride in a stagecoach over that terrain! Thank you for the history lesson Ron, may they RIP
It had to be a horrible ride. But they knew no difference. That was the way to travel.
Lots of babies were born on those stage routes back then I would imagine.
Good to see places like this still exist ! Reminds me of Moosehead Lake region in maine that’s god’s country up there nothing but trees and wildlife for miles and miles we did some fishing there by a logging road and during whole day we only saw 1 vehicle go by and that was a logging truck! Streets don’t even have names they are numbers and letters! 😂
Those Calvary guys must have been some tough men.
It would beat walking or on horseback. Stagecoaches actually road pretty nice.
Thank you Ron for this great story. May they all Rest in Peace. Stay safe out there.
A story that needs to be remembered. Kevin Howe was murdered on the side of the road outside of Wickenberg. Killer was never found. He went to Saguaro HS in Scottsdale. He got off of work at Cocos on Scottsdale Road and was on his way to his mother who was a nurse at Kingman Regional Medical center. He never made it. He’s buried in Kingman. His mother died heartbroken.
I had my oldest daughter in Kingman at Kingman Regional Medical Center. My family owned a TV service shop on Beale St. I’m so sorry to hear about this story as well. 💔😔
His case is still unsolved. I spoke with a detective from Yavapai County about it twice. He looked into it. He called me a few weeks later told me it’s going to be unsolved until someone speaks up about it. He pulled over at the Baghdad turn off to rest. Someone shot him through the driver’s side window. They stole $90 dollars tip money he earned at Cocos the night before. So tragic. I went to school with him. He’s been forgotten to time. I don’t even remember what year it happened. I should visit his grave in Kingman. I think it was 1979…
So sad😢
I love the different terrain you take us too Ron. Beautiful scenery and captivating stories. What more could a 'girl'who loves history from the UK ask for! ❤
Very very interesting. There is no way I could visit this site due to my age, so THANK YOU very much for sharing this video!!
I dare you to go there at night. I'm sure I saw an outline of a brown horse, probably was killed there too!
Hello from Noblesville, Indiana!
That poor horse, did they all look like this back in the day. Wow. ambushed. This is all sad..
I just love your voice & the way you tell a story, Ron. Thank you!
thank you Lesa!
THE PEOPLE IN AND ON THE WAGON SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER ARMED. I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A WINCHESTER AND PLENY OF AMMO. REVOLVERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
The attackers appeared to be pretty good shots and took advantage of surprise and greater numbers. A cavalry escort would have been the best security against attack. I am all for armed self defense, though. Loring could have been carrying a derringer or two, who know? Better to have a rifle or maybe a shotgun.
It was a very interesting story. How sad it was that these people were going on with their daily lives and all of a sudden it was cut short.
That's the wild west for ya!
Correct, in the middle of the Indian Wars. 6 yr later "Battle of Little Big Horn" ! That's how reckless mankind was. What was going on in Russia then ? Kulacs and Casacks fighting Muscovites and Jews of course. Man can't pull out of your sheath long enough to stop the massacre of his children.
I can blow Kruger's story to shreds just by his letter to the paper. I'm a horseman. I've road horse and pulled wagons with horse. Once one of the lead horse's are down, that wagon isn't going no 20 yards. Recently Budwieser lost their lead horse and it went down. All the other horses could do was jam up and mill about. Gen. Crooke was a very fair compadre to the natives and me being a native Arizonian i've read everything ever wrote about him and there is nothing about this mentioned. Personally after hearing this tale, i believe that Kruger did have something to do with it. Plus, the natives had no need for the money or the yellow metal. The greed of the white man.
Good possibility
If the horses were harnessed together and the harness was intact after the horse was shot, you are right, they couldn't go 100 yds. They would have been all tangled up.
Thank you for knowledge 😊
They're going to lose ALL their horses..
The author assumed that the reader would understand that the horses were shot and made it about 20 yards before they dropped bringing the coach to a halt.
You have no argument.
Ron. Thank you for all your research and hard work bringing this to us. In a day and time when this world is upside down and so depressing our time with you is both refreshing and greatly appreciated each sunday evening.
Thanks for this wonderful story! No I do not think Molly survived. Likely that she did not receive a marker due to her line of work. In those days she would have been granted less respect than the men, sadly enough.
Hello from Alabama
Hi, Ron. Wow that seemed like a long ride. Could you imagine riding in a stage coach. How bumpy & how dusty. Hoping you reach your destination.
Awesome… thanks buddy…
These folks were not as prepared as they might have been. 1871 was still Wild West
Ron . this video of yours tops all I was very impressed by this one , you should come to montana and do a few. Videos on the town of Bannack , and the highway men , sheriff who was running a crew of criminals ,, they were all hung, graves still there. THANK YOU FRANK FROM MONTANA.....
Back n them days that was not uncommon
When i heard this story, I tried to picture what it was like in the stagecoach out there..the landscape os is beautiful. But what terror awaited them . I was riveted to this story. Felt so bad about their fate and the horses too. It was so amazing to see you tell us the story right on the spot, unchanged by time. Thank you Ron for all of the research and taking us out there!
Thanking you from the core of my ❤️. I truly appreciate you.⚘️🌻😔
COOL TRAGIC STORY OF THE WILD WEST. I HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF LORING IN MANY BOOKS BEFORE!!!!
Thank you so much for your research and sensitive manner in which you explained this incident. As a former resident of Tucson, I have always held a place in my heart for historical facts regarding my home State. You've done a great service to the memory of the victims. May they all rest in peace.
It is a dangerous business to invade someone else’s land and think they won’t retaliate.
Exactly
Wild West you might find some gold in that territory
Years ago my husband worked for a gold mine near there. Definitely gold in them there hills 😂
@@kc-qu2vh my word awesome
Why do we insist upon being so horrible to one another?
Nonetheless, it's a great story, and you told it with the best background available. I love Southwest's topography.
My sister lived in Wickenburg for many years until she passed away. Great place for history!! The mine outside of town is interesting and the museum in town is awesome.
That was an amazing video and story. I never heard of it. You continually surprise me with your attention to detail, although I shouldn’t be by now. You would be an awesome tour guide. Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos and for putting up with snooty sales people. They give a bad name to those that genuinely care about customer service.
Those early pioneers were so brave and must have feared for their lives every day.
How bad their own countries must have been to have travelled and risk being scalped 😮, l know Ireland was in peril, but other places?.... I'd be back on a coffin ship on the way to Europe out of fear of the native tribes.
Thank you so much Ron for telling the very brave story of all those men and a lady on the stage coach. One can only guess the pain they went through during this attack, with no help forthcoming. RIP to all those slaughtered on that day.
Watching from Oak Grove Missouri home to many civil war North and mainly South some of Quntrails men buried here
Supposedly Quantrills remains or skull possibly was at University of Kansas and stolen by fraternity members. Eventually I think it was returned to the family. Not sure how accurate my version is. Something along those lines.
Thank you for bringing this story, Ron. So many places in Arizona that have such stories. Being a native Arizonan, my grandparents and parents knew of many places where such things happened, especially in the desert. Take care, Ron and thanks again.
Boy, that era really wasn't for the faint of heart. Just a completely different world. You could just be going about your life, be mercilessly slaughtered, and that's it. Not a thing you can do about it. Not knowing if each day was going to be the day. What a harsh life.
Hi 👋 Ron how are you doing tonight
Thanks Ron for telling this story. The place looks much as it was at the time. Quite terrifying and tells us what people endured in those times.
Regardless where their all buried may they all R.I.P,thanks Ron for showing us all,safe travels stay well ,👋👋🙏🙏👍🇦🇺
Thanks Ron for an interesting story... life was a lot tougher then. Take care.
Hi from Central Arkansas
Could you please do the "Real Truth" on what really happened at the Martin Meadow Massacre? I know the real truth is out there.
Did you mean Meadow Mountain Massacre? We live near there and it's quite the story.
Hi Ron from Hanover pa 👋
You live in carefree? I am 5 miles from there
That place is eerily quiet, a little too quiet.
Interesting story Ron...Thanks for sharing!!!!!!
Wow! Rough times back then. So sad.
This was so incredibly interesting. Love history. Ron u do such a great job telling the stories. I tried to imagine being there. How horrible it had to been. Thank you again Ron. Take care. ❤️
Wow, Ron, you went all out on this video. It was fantastic and just another one of your best. After seeing videos like this, I'm just so grateful to be born in the modern age. I love your ride! How do you even GPS a place like this to get to the site?! A - 1 video Ron! Thank you!
I have a handheld GPS from my expeditions so I can go to the north pole if I want and it works because it’s connected to the satellites 😀👍
I’m glad you liked this adventure Flo!!
Wow! Ron, that was quite the story, those poor people being trapped like that and can't defend themselves, the poor horses too. I"ve never heard that story before thank you for sharing it with us. Well done. Take care, be safe.
I've watched Western movies all my life, and could never help but think about how confused the poor horses must've been from time to time...
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Hello from KC, Mo
Thank you for showing the ride. I'm from NM, and I love the reminisce of my youth and riding on dirt bikes. Called toolie hopping
Beautifully told and produced - love the video! Also, I actually needed the recommendation at the beginning, thank you - I appreciate the info!
Shoot, this was almost as good as a John Wayne movie! Good video Ron. Thanks ❤
❤hi Ron thanks for a very interesting video. So sad for all these people. 🙏 . Stay safe.❤
I just absolutely love how exhuberant you are when telling these stories! It's beyond me how some people find the history of our nation, our world boring or dry. They didn't have you as their teacher;)
Hello from Colorado!😊
Hi from Miss. I love your shows❤️
Greetings from Louisiana 🍾
My family has been here since 1663
Sunshine Coast,BC, Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you so much for your daunting task of bringing these dear ones to our mind's eye. I've watched another one of your stories about Lavinia Eastlick. Both are very meaningful to me as I used to live in Minnesota and Arizona. You have put so much work into these memories, yet I feel it makes your heart sing❤. What a labor of love!
I'd be more worried about rattlesnakes than ants lol! Absolutely love these type of videos, Thanks Ron! Stay safe friend!
I've been a desert rat (hiking & exploring) all my life and in 60s years I've only run across three rattlers, two scorpions, mountain lion tracks and maybe fifteen non-rattlesnakes. Nowadays I'd be more concerned about the bee situation. 🐝 They aren't well bee-hived because of their socialist agenda. 😂
@@Iconoclasher 😂😂😂
Greetings from England Ron, thanks for the telling of history on the very ground it happened.
Hi, Gang!
Outstanding effort to revive/recreate the history of the area. Thank you for the research. If you’re so inclined, you may want to look into the Walnut Grove/ Hassayampa River Dam break of 1890. That’s one heck of a story.
A man on horseback was dispatched to warn people downstream, but he got drunk instead.
Cheers.
I grew up in Arizona and live here still, but I never heard of this before. Thank you so much for paying attention to our state. So many great stories and history here. This was a rough, rough place back in the day. I guess that's the reason we were the last territory to make statehood in the lower forty eight.
Thanks. Well get ready for a lot of stories there and the surrounding states that are close because I bought a house there last year, which has been planned for the last 20 years and I’ve been coming out there the last 30 years, so I’m very excited - and next winter I’ll be there full-time, well just for seven months out of the year but I’m gonna be doing a lot I’ve got a ton of stories I’ve collected over the last 20 years, some of you have heard of, but many you have not 👍
@@FacesoftheForgotten years ago my husband worked for a gold mine near there. He was born in Snowflake. We live in Utah now.
Great video! I’ve had the pleasure of going to many places like this, and walking around in history. I’ve often wondered just what took place under my feet. It’s amazing. We still call them Indians, It’s not derogatory by any means. None of the ones I know take any offense, and refer to themselves as such.😊
Sorry but we have to agree to disagree because a lot of Native Americans get offended, I see the comments, so I’ve got to play by the rules, we’re not going to offend - even if it’s the minority. Those that like to be called Indians can deal with it ha ha ha 👍
@@FacesoftheForgotten sure. I just chalk it up to this day and age, where everyone is offended easily.
I hope you are having a good one too! I know it will be a great episode, like always
Hi Ron 👋 thankyou for this interesting and also sad story.😢 Just listening to you read that letter made me think of how alone and lonely this place was in the 1870's and maybe today. Molly had some guts going on that trip. I'm sad for the lives lost. I'm just wondering if this is the type of thing that would be taught or covered in schools in the 🇺🇸 USA ? As I'm in Australia 🇦🇺. Take care many blessings 🙏🙏🙏✨️❤️❤️❤️
No, this type of history is not taught in U.S. schools. Very little is taught of the Indigenous and what has been taught is being found to be incorrect. Schools ⁸⁸⁷in a might have taught something specifically about person from the "wild west" but that was about it.
Thanks for that, it's very interesting both this story and your answer. I'm in my late 50's and we weren't taught a lot about Australia's first people however there was a huge movement here in the Capital by the Aboriginals to ask for their land back. In the 70's they set up camps opposite Parliament House and were there for years. When my daughter attended school they were teaching all about how we stole the land. But they didn't teach our children about early settlement of white people. It has swung a complete 360 degrees. All focus is on the first Australians. Sorry I'm trying not to offend anyone here. In high school I took a class called Colonial America 🇺🇸 and really loved it. Thankyou 🙏
Your welcome! I'm a history buff and Lakota Sioux as well. Asking questions is learning! AIM american Indian movement gained momentum in the 70s here as well. Something you might be interested in is MMIW missing and murdered indigenous women. The struggle is still going on!
How is everyone doing? Sorry to miss everyone at FOTF? Catching replay and I am intrigued with history and this is so much history! Ron, as usual great location, story, tragedy, and adventure's with you are fun😅😂😂😊 Thanks, fabulously told!
Thank you for telling this story of the old West. I know very little of the old West except for movies.
What happened to the officer who refused to give care to the 2 that survived?
As you were reading the signs where the massacre occurred, it dawned on me the horses had to be buried. I wonder if where those rock piles were could it be them? Would somehow make sense. What do you think?
That’s a good point and definitely a probability
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Love these interesting history lessons, and the amazing places we get to see, thanks for all your hard work and sharing this fabulous story ❤️😊❤️
I take it there has been professional archaeology work done in the area? if so I wonder what all was found and what there research of the area would look like in a forensic map? Is there a museum in the vicinity or town that talks about this shooting?
In the very first minute YOU disparage Time to Ride, RV rentals in Carefree, AZ. “Don’t go there he is a snob” and before you even get into any content.
Knowing Josh, I'm going to guess Big Shot UA-camr shows up and asks for free rentals or something similar
and disparages a good guy and small business on UA-cam.
BTW, did you pay $$$ for the OHV rentals in Wickenburg or negotiate a freebee?
Hey Ron, In the first minute you dissed Josh at Time to Ride. I’ve done repetitive business with him for 4 years and honestly I appreciate and his shop as IMHO they provideexcellent customer service
You said you like local shops but Cave Creek is about 90 minutes away from Wickenburg. You said “Don’t go there he is a snob” Very unfair and Not accurate.
I was born here and have lived in the area for 41 years. You might wanna do some diggin into some things. This was more than likely an inside job.
I watched this as my daughter was practicing touch and go's in the 180.
Very interesting and sad story. Thank you for all your hard work bringing us all along on these adventures .
Thank you so much for sharing this history with us. I for one would never be able to go and see for myself. May God keep you safe during all your adventures ❤
BRILL ! boy with toys & a history lesson too, rock on ron boy !!
So. In Kruger’s letter he said he told the woman to keep “cool?”
Thanks for sharing this very interesting story! I've never heard about it.
Waiting for the book to be delivered to Puerto Rico to start reading 📚
Thank you! I really enjoyed the story.
It's nice to know that the people that were indigenous to the that land were courageous enough to fight back after their families were slaughtered and land was forcibly taken from them. Great story❤
Soo lets cut to the chase here? Was there really any money on that Stage Coach that the couple had reportedly tried stealing or had been staged to kill the people on the stagecoach or was the story just made up and added to make the story more interesting since gold and money was suposedly involved in the robbery. Was there really any truth behind the gold and the money being there? This is what has brought the story alot of treasure seekers since they were supposably stealing it off the stage coach and had bury it out there near the massacre site. Soo was there truthfully anything out there it'd be long gone by now bc of soo many people over the years visiting that area looking for it. My question is was there anything truthfully behind the story of any gold and money buried there or not? Ok. In the story I was told that the Yavipie Indians werent responible for the shooting and that it was partly made up by the white folk saying that the Yavipie Indians did not shoot or draw upon the stage coach but it was a man that was paid off to do all the shooting to stage the holdup drawing upon the people on the stagecoach. Hmmm. The Yavipie Indian tribe were blamed for doing all the shooting but it wasn't them that caused all the ruckus it was the hired hit man that drew upon them from afar to stage the scene.
Great job very accurate. I've done a good deal of research over the years on the massacre site. I ran across an old article in Desert Magazine a few years ago recounting how a group of teamsters happened upon the site very soon after the massacre. The article was written by the grandson of the head teamster who related the story to him. The teamsters diverted to Camp Date creek to notify the military. I found that the most accurate account of the event is a book written by Michael Wilson "The Massacre at Wickenburg"
thank you.
Thx for the vid. The only thing wanting is a reference map, or at least the mention that this site is not many miles Northwest of Scottsdale, Arizona. If you mentioned this, I missed it!