Why you DON'T have to LAYER DRUMS (Dubstep, Drum & Bass, Neuro, ...)
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I think many people confuse stacking full blown drum sounds on top of each other with combining different sonic layers like sub, body and punch to create new drums from scratch. Drum sound design using layers can work out very well, while stacking snares will sound like a mess most of the time.
Yes this is what I always considered layering to be and NOT stacking samples to get more UNF. If you want more unf and boom to your drums, you can get that by using various mixer effects like compression, EQ'ing, distortion etcetc.
layering drums is more of a tonal/timbral end-goal than actually achieving a 'bigger' drum, am I wrong?
I think assembling a drum sound should not be called stacking because basically the transient, body and tail are separate and they don't really stack up on each other.
I don't know, what do you think?
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But yeah, when you stack a lot of drum samples together without concern about the phase relationships between the stacked sounds -like most people do-, the product of so ends up most of the time sounding like something not intended when switching speaker and headphone systems and stuff like that.
@@Ex0rz what is UNF?
@@yogimastul2 ooomph?
nice to see you back in short video, more specific and to the essential ! well done
This was really cool. I just beefed up my snares and took out the layers at the same time! Thanks for the tips!
This was amazing. Thank you I took notes and it was very helpful and thorough. Subscribed
Excellent video, will definitely try to tune in to the livestream
you're a Genius. this works perfectly ill be trying it. i love real snares and feel like its easy to lose the punch when layering so getting the most out of a good sample is much better imo
big up
I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!! I LOVE YOU BROOOOOOO
Great video man! Love the technique
Really useful ! Cheers man, i love your channel
this is brilliant, youve gotten better at explaining too 👍🏻
Excellent video. I actually only saw synthesis and layering videos regarding snares and drums, so I'm really happy to watch a tutorial based on processing an acoustic sample. I'll give it a try. Keep doing such good content :)
Thanks for that, yes I will loads of new tutorials coming this year.
The automated eq trick is very nice mate...good video
Simple tutorial with some very good information! learned a few things!
dang thats a nice sounding snare, great tutorial and helps immensely cuz im garbage at eqing snares to sound good
The frequency trick is actually really dope!
Thanks for the video man !
Outstanding tutorial thank you so very much
Interesting ideas! I do all drums with synths (Zyn-Fusion mostly), but these techniques will be useful for my workflow as well :)
M8, you are a legend, such quick and great info
Discovering this in 2021 and this tutorial is FIRE!
Please make one for Kicks/Toms ! Thank you so much man this video is great.
Never thought of eq automation this way! so simple yet so effective
Fabfilter Pro Q 3 now does this with a feature called Dynamic EQ 👍
Wow the automation on the eq...Sweet!
Very interesting , less is more i guess .
Thanks and congratz for the new format , love it .
I fucking love you man
Greatttt tutorial!
Very cool!
Awesome broo!! i produce deep house but this gave me big insights
You did some things I don't like, you did some things I'm gonna try and you definitely convinced me to try out ableton
Looking good brah
Woah! New camera angles looking fineeeeeee
Yeah it was time for a change 😁
Love it :). But for real though that tip about automating the gain on the eq to control of the snare blew my mind. Awesome tutorial
Before: 1:34
After: 10:34
Damn, 10min for this, who is he kidding
Nice!
Fantastic
i think it all depends of the source material. when you dont have a good bottom end, you cant force it with eq and comp,you have to layer and then process like you said in the video. when your source material are good enough (or have that what you need) then of course you doint have to layer. Anyway, good video for this situation :)
Let's do this!
Excellent
great now im questioning my mixing skills so that means this video did a good job. 10/10
get some room acoustic treatment research going on, and check out acousticfields on youtube, he has enough to get you going...
great tutorial! i'm not a big fan of layering... i usually try to choose max 2 samples that complement each other well and make the most out of them. usually works great
Do one for kicks!
I guess I'll have to do that now huh?
@@artfxdnb Im looking forward to ARTFX' Snares Tutorial episode 2 as well. Definetly would watch it once it pops up. This tutorial was great.
Did he ever get to making a tutorial on kicks?
@@artfxdnb yes Liz do kicks
Looking forward to the new tutorials this year! Thank you for the effort you put into them artfx! I'll keep sharing your channel until you get the view numbers you deserve to get.
Btw. is izotope alloy included in izotope Ozone? Any idea?
You can get iZotope Neutron, it has a similar multiband transient shaper as Alloy 2 has. It might even be a better one than the one in Alloy.
You can use the one in trash 2 as well...
5:00 That's gnarly
Prefer to find a set of drum sounds I like to begin with, rather than layering loads. Compression/saturation/drive/eq will "embigen" it if you need that. Definitely favour this method.
it's cool!!!
SHORTER VIDEOS!!!! YES!!!!!
do you know where to find camel phat 3 for mac ? many thanks
Hello ARTFX, I'm looking for a similar bass sound of the song Future Prophecies - Jack the Groove, it's similar to acid basses but it has something I miss. If you could help me I'd be so much happy. Love
There are other people who are using the Alesis monitors? xD I have these since over 10 or 12 years but honestly need to upgrade although they arent bad for that price.
How to tune them ?
What's that click I can hear in your room? Great video dude.
Probably my chair...
Subbed :D
Please can u do a tutorial for creating grooves and nice rhythmic patterns with your drums, because mine sound flat and borring and have no pulsation in it whatsoever. Like all those neurohop tunes have that nice groove swing.... how do they do that? Sorry for my english
Watch acoustic drum lessons for groovy genres.
thats actually a great idea, thx)
kaowood You can avoid compressing the shit out of your drums too much to retain some dynamics. Or go the other way and find interesting ways to sidechain & gate things. Work with note volume/velocity and one thing I found that really works for getting a groove is putting an emphasis on your first downbeat, like BUUUMMM bum bum bum or perhaps I make two similar kicks and alternate between the two every measure a kick is used. Other than your human swing, I find dynamics the best way to establish groove. Like, when I think of drums, I don't think of a drum kit, I think of a bongo or congas or some shit...a single simple drum, but so much variation from how you hit it, how hard, where...all those things to create some sort of pulse.
Try messing with the track delay for say your hats and maybe your snare after you’ve written your midi or laid your samples. It helped me get a grasp on applying swing. I also turn off the grid and move my samples around listening to how it sounds
Just some things that helped me
DUDE! more similar tutorials in a new format!
Absolutely!
1:58 E-Gem genre!
it looks like more difficult than layering
Great comment mate. Ive Emailed you.
1:35 LMAO KSHMR PUT THIS IN HIS "sounds of kshmr vol 2" SAMPLE PACK
That doesn't surprise me one bit, he has stolen samples from loads of places for his pack, I spotted some Heavyocity percussion in his packs too. Smh
@@artfxdnb Hahaha That's crazy
But is it really “that” sample? If you reverse the phase of one of them and put them together, do they cancel out each other?
Really want an answer because KSHMR is one of the producer I regarded as talented. If he did things like that then the whole dj100 is nothing short of a scam.
@@user-uu9mg9bl8o I don't know about this one, but I know that his packs are filled with material that wasn't made by him. Vol.1 contains samples straight out of other tracks and also from Vengeance sample packs. Vol. 2 contains samples he took from other Kontakt libraries which is not what you are allowed to do when making a sample pack. And finally, Vol. 3 was taken down because he ripped off the DOOM soundtrack made by Mick Gordon. So I don't know about this particular sample, but the man KSHMR has a history of stealing samples for his sample packs.
Goddammit, I can hear that the sound is shifted, every time you play the damn snare. How could you not realize it's not properly synchronized #!&%
Wow you must be fun at parties with that attitude... It's called latency and many daws suffer from this depending on how much audio processing there is going on, regardless of the latency it does not hinder you in understanding the actual subject matter of the video, thus your complaint comes across as childish and arrogant. Have a nice day.
@@artfxdnb I was just trying to give some constructive feedback. Also I only use 10 year old shit hardware and I never had as much latency (sounds like something close to half a second in the video) wich would lead me to the assumption that there must be something else going on but I don't know, this video is already two years old.
stilll needs a clap over it
Эквалайзер, компрессор и хороший слух. Пожалуй достаточно.
just eq 4head
I think if you have good snare you don't have to layer it with other stuff but with layering you can make pretty good snare with shitty samples.
Dude, I actually spent like hundred hours to create a Dubstep snare sound from scratch with Serum, and it sounds like shit XD !
lol, you dont have to do anything, but maybe you want to ?
I dont get hose kinda videos. where people screw the hack out of their daws with 15 step saturations and 10 time compression stuff.. Formant shaping here and tails tweaking there... it's such a waste of time. You do that for all the drum instruments in a beat? okay, thats why people need to make videos on youtube instead of earning money with their music I guess... there is simply no time left for making music :D And all the kids follow the steps and do exactly what someone else on the internet did and thats why in the end everyhing sounds the fucking same. because no one develops his own style and tries out and learns stuff. And thats why styles like dubstep are dead. Everything sounds the fucking same...
I wouldn't call it a waste of time, it's called sound design and it's something that certain genres do more of than others. Drum & Bass for instance, which is the genre I make, is a genre that heavily relies on sound design, thus spending a lot of time doing it is not a waste of time at all. Effects should be used when you need them, not because you see others use them. However when it comes to sound design, there are no rules, you can do whatever you want and when it sounds good, then use it.
you didnt parrellel the snare. to make it stand out even more, you want to have the original snare dry, and off that dry track you parrellel 2-3 more snare tracks and in those tracks - you assign your various eq profiles and effects accordingly. anyone else notice the new genres of music seem louder but actualyl carry a lot less sub bass freq? this is due to phasing from layering samples. the difference is huge. use one sample, use many channels to parrellel process the one sample. layer the effects thru the parrellel tracks. I never found it benificial to go beyond three layers, if I need to do that, then the sample itself needs to be replaced with a better sample. thats my simple q&A to keep the sample quality high.