Why you DON'T have to LAYER DRUMS (Dubstep, Drum & Bass, Neuro, ...)

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 103

  • @XanderEwald
    @XanderEwald 6 років тому +82

    I think many people confuse stacking full blown drum sounds on top of each other with combining different sonic layers like sub, body and punch to create new drums from scratch. Drum sound design using layers can work out very well, while stacking snares will sound like a mess most of the time.

    • @Ex0rz
      @Ex0rz 5 років тому +1

      Yes this is what I always considered layering to be and NOT stacking samples to get more UNF. If you want more unf and boom to your drums, you can get that by using various mixer effects like compression, EQ'ing, distortion etcetc.

    • @deathbyhippies
      @deathbyhippies 5 років тому +2

      layering drums is more of a tonal/timbral end-goal than actually achieving a 'bigger' drum, am I wrong?

    • @michaeldelacruz6370
      @michaeldelacruz6370 5 років тому +3

      I think assembling a drum sound should not be called stacking because basically the transient, body and tail are separate and they don't really stack up on each other.
      I don't know, what do you think?
      .
      But yeah, when you stack a lot of drum samples together without concern about the phase relationships between the stacked sounds -like most people do-, the product of so ends up most of the time sounding like something not intended when switching speaker and headphone systems and stuff like that.

    • @yogimastul2
      @yogimastul2 4 роки тому +2

      @@Ex0rz what is UNF?

    • @straywave2527
      @straywave2527 4 роки тому +3

      @@yogimastul2 ooomph?

  • @kckc8582
    @kckc8582 6 років тому +9

    nice to see you back in short video, more specific and to the essential ! well done

  • @IvyWillowMusic
    @IvyWillowMusic 6 років тому

    This was really cool. I just beefed up my snares and took out the layers at the same time! Thanks for the tips!

  • @d3vinity
    @d3vinity 6 років тому

    This was amazing. Thank you I took notes and it was very helpful and thorough. Subscribed

  • @zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz__
    @zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz__ 6 років тому

    Excellent video, will definitely try to tune in to the livestream

  • @Thefi5thdnb
    @Thefi5thdnb 3 роки тому

    you're a Genius. this works perfectly ill be trying it. i love real snares and feel like its easy to lose the punch when layering so getting the most out of a good sample is much better imo
    big up

  • @ragdolltk
    @ragdolltk 6 років тому +4

    I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!! I LOVE YOU BROOOOOOO

  • @SpencerStewart38
    @SpencerStewart38 6 років тому

    Great video man! Love the technique

  • @jeanjean1714
    @jeanjean1714 6 років тому

    Really useful ! Cheers man, i love your channel

  • @L4zEGaming
    @L4zEGaming 5 років тому

    this is brilliant, youve gotten better at explaining too 👍🏻

  • @jeremycochoy7771
    @jeremycochoy7771 6 років тому

    Excellent video. I actually only saw synthesis and layering videos regarding snares and drums, so I'm really happy to watch a tutorial based on processing an acoustic sample. I'll give it a try. Keep doing such good content :)

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  6 років тому

      Thanks for that, yes I will loads of new tutorials coming this year.

  • @JULIUSPROJECT
    @JULIUSPROJECT 5 років тому

    The automated eq trick is very nice mate...good video

  • @joemorris6544
    @joemorris6544 6 років тому

    Simple tutorial with some very good information! learned a few things!

  • @Smooth219
    @Smooth219 6 років тому +2

    dang thats a nice sounding snare, great tutorial and helps immensely cuz im garbage at eqing snares to sound good

  • @nusonix
    @nusonix 6 років тому +1

    The frequency trick is actually really dope!

  • @jeanjean1714
    @jeanjean1714 6 років тому

    Thanks for the video man !

  • @iheartdnb
    @iheartdnb 6 років тому

    Outstanding tutorial thank you so very much

  • @unfa00
    @unfa00 5 років тому +1

    Interesting ideas! I do all drums with synths (Zyn-Fusion mostly), but these techniques will be useful for my workflow as well :)

  • @hugojj101
    @hugojj101 4 роки тому

    M8, you are a legend, such quick and great info

  • @DJShamtown
    @DJShamtown 3 роки тому

    Discovering this in 2021 and this tutorial is FIRE!

  • @Lafret17
    @Lafret17 6 років тому

    Please make one for Kicks/Toms ! Thank you so much man this video is great.

  • @n_ki
    @n_ki 6 років тому +1

    Never thought of eq automation this way! so simple yet so effective

    • @magnafide
      @magnafide 4 роки тому

      Fabfilter Pro Q 3 now does this with a feature called Dynamic EQ 👍

  • @neverloseyourself7480
    @neverloseyourself7480 3 роки тому

    Wow the automation on the eq...Sweet!

  • @syx1701
    @syx1701 6 років тому

    Very interesting , less is more i guess .
    Thanks and congratz for the new format , love it .

  • @BurnBabylon_Selecta
    @BurnBabylon_Selecta 5 років тому

    I fucking love you man

  • @okaya3030
    @okaya3030 3 роки тому

    Greatttt tutorial!

  • @valhallaatmedawg6446
    @valhallaatmedawg6446 3 роки тому

    Very cool!

  • @raensongz5619
    @raensongz5619 6 років тому +1

    Awesome broo!! i produce deep house but this gave me big insights

  • @Abihef
    @Abihef 3 роки тому

    You did some things I don't like, you did some things I'm gonna try and you definitely convinced me to try out ableton

  • @eXpas04
    @eXpas04 5 років тому

    Looking good brah

  • @yashartafazoli497
    @yashartafazoli497 6 років тому +15

    Woah! New camera angles looking fineeeeeee

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  6 років тому +2

      Yeah it was time for a change 😁

    • @yashartafazoli497
      @yashartafazoli497 6 років тому +1

      Love it :). But for real though that tip about automating the gain on the eq to control of the snare blew my mind. Awesome tutorial

  • @deffyme7357
    @deffyme7357 4 роки тому +5

    Before: 1:34
    After: 10:34

    • @MrFree-vj8qj
      @MrFree-vj8qj 3 роки тому

      Damn, 10min for this, who is he kidding

  • @wallrider1538
    @wallrider1538 Рік тому

    Nice!

  • @ryde2012
    @ryde2012 4 роки тому

    Fantastic

  • @cytasis5529
    @cytasis5529 5 років тому +2

    i think it all depends of the source material. when you dont have a good bottom end, you cant force it with eq and comp,you have to layer and then process like you said in the video. when your source material are good enough (or have that what you need) then of course you doint have to layer. Anyway, good video for this situation :)

  • @SleepingInSpaceMusic
    @SleepingInSpaceMusic 6 років тому +1

    Let's do this!

  • @compoundaudio
    @compoundaudio 2 роки тому

    Excellent

  • @halkyxn345
    @halkyxn345 6 років тому +2

    great now im questioning my mixing skills so that means this video did a good job. 10/10

    • @articletwelve8590
      @articletwelve8590 5 років тому

      get some room acoustic treatment research going on, and check out acousticfields on youtube, he has enough to get you going...

  • @apoplexiamusic
    @apoplexiamusic 6 років тому

    great tutorial! i'm not a big fan of layering... i usually try to choose max 2 samples that complement each other well and make the most out of them. usually works great

  • @int3533
    @int3533 6 років тому +40

    Do one for kicks!

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  6 років тому +14

      I guess I'll have to do that now huh?

    • @Havik_AoE
      @Havik_AoE 5 років тому +2

      @@artfxdnb Im looking forward to ARTFX' Snares Tutorial episode 2 as well. Definetly would watch it once it pops up. This tutorial was great.

    • @mr.f_dnb
      @mr.f_dnb 3 роки тому +1

      Did he ever get to making a tutorial on kicks?

    • @jetpacksnake9741
      @jetpacksnake9741 3 роки тому +1

      @@artfxdnb yes Liz do kicks

  • @Frobbl
    @Frobbl 6 років тому +1

    Looking forward to the new tutorials this year! Thank you for the effort you put into them artfx! I'll keep sharing your channel until you get the view numbers you deserve to get.
    Btw. is izotope alloy included in izotope Ozone? Any idea?

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  6 років тому +1

      You can get iZotope Neutron, it has a similar multiband transient shaper as Alloy 2 has. It might even be a better one than the one in Alloy.

    • @TjKdlc
      @TjKdlc 6 років тому

      You can use the one in trash 2 as well...

  • @pogchamp7983
    @pogchamp7983 5 років тому

    5:00 That's gnarly

  • @adamsmith7058
    @adamsmith7058 4 роки тому

    Prefer to find a set of drum sounds I like to begin with, rather than layering loads. Compression/saturation/drive/eq will "embigen" it if you need that. Definitely favour this method.

  • @bapapa9564
    @bapapa9564 6 років тому

    it's cool!!!

  • @ShaiGuyz
    @ShaiGuyz 6 років тому

    SHORTER VIDEOS!!!! YES!!!!!

  • @jamesmath
    @jamesmath 6 років тому

    do you know where to find camel phat 3 for mac ? many thanks

  • @SuperMartinchooo
    @SuperMartinchooo 6 років тому

    Hello ARTFX, I'm looking for a similar bass sound of the song Future Prophecies - Jack the Groove, it's similar to acid basses but it has something I miss. If you could help me I'd be so much happy. Love

  • @8odycount
    @8odycount 3 роки тому

    There are other people who are using the Alesis monitors? xD I have these since over 10 or 12 years but honestly need to upgrade although they arent bad for that price.

  • @damienwarnotte5912
    @damienwarnotte5912 3 роки тому

    How to tune them ?

  • @stevegriffiths9223
    @stevegriffiths9223 6 років тому

    What's that click I can hear in your room? Great video dude.

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  6 років тому

      Probably my chair...

  • @causeno1048
    @causeno1048 5 років тому

    Subbed :D

  • @megarix007
    @megarix007 6 років тому +7

    Please can u do a tutorial for creating grooves and nice rhythmic patterns with your drums, because mine sound flat and borring and have no pulsation in it whatsoever. Like all those neurohop tunes have that nice groove swing.... how do they do that? Sorry for my english

    • @pogchamp7983
      @pogchamp7983 6 років тому +3

      Watch acoustic drum lessons for groovy genres.

    • @megarix007
      @megarix007 6 років тому

      thats actually a great idea, thx)

    • @i-never-look-at-replies-lol
      @i-never-look-at-replies-lol 6 років тому +1

      kaowood You can avoid compressing the shit out of your drums too much to retain some dynamics. Or go the other way and find interesting ways to sidechain & gate things. Work with note volume/velocity and one thing I found that really works for getting a groove is putting an emphasis on your first downbeat, like BUUUMMM bum bum bum or perhaps I make two similar kicks and alternate between the two every measure a kick is used. Other than your human swing, I find dynamics the best way to establish groove. Like, when I think of drums, I don't think of a drum kit, I think of a bongo or congas or some shit...a single simple drum, but so much variation from how you hit it, how hard, where...all those things to create some sort of pulse.

    • @SaturnsReturn77
      @SaturnsReturn77 6 років тому

      Try messing with the track delay for say your hats and maybe your snare after you’ve written your midi or laid your samples. It helped me get a grasp on applying swing. I also turn off the grid and move my samples around listening to how it sounds
      Just some things that helped me

  • @HIKEMAH
    @HIKEMAH 6 років тому

    DUDE! more similar tutorials in a new format!

  • @sethtaylor7519
    @sethtaylor7519 6 років тому

    1:58 E-Gem genre!

  • @Sleepmalice
    @Sleepmalice 4 роки тому

    it looks like more difficult than layering

  • @djnappa7527
    @djnappa7527 3 роки тому

    Great comment mate. Ive Emailed you.

  • @marshallholland6128
    @marshallholland6128 5 років тому +2

    1:35 LMAO KSHMR PUT THIS IN HIS "sounds of kshmr vol 2" SAMPLE PACK

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  5 років тому +6

      That doesn't surprise me one bit, he has stolen samples from loads of places for his pack, I spotted some Heavyocity percussion in his packs too. Smh

    • @marshallholland6128
      @marshallholland6128 5 років тому

      @@artfxdnb Hahaha That's crazy

    • @user-uu9mg9bl8o
      @user-uu9mg9bl8o 5 років тому

      But is it really “that” sample? If you reverse the phase of one of them and put them together, do they cancel out each other?

    • @user-uu9mg9bl8o
      @user-uu9mg9bl8o 5 років тому

      Really want an answer because KSHMR is one of the producer I regarded as talented. If he did things like that then the whole dj100 is nothing short of a scam.

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  5 років тому

      @@user-uu9mg9bl8o I don't know about this one, but I know that his packs are filled with material that wasn't made by him. Vol.1 contains samples straight out of other tracks and also from Vengeance sample packs. Vol. 2 contains samples he took from other Kontakt libraries which is not what you are allowed to do when making a sample pack. And finally, Vol. 3 was taken down because he ripped off the DOOM soundtrack made by Mick Gordon. So I don't know about this particular sample, but the man KSHMR has a history of stealing samples for his sample packs.

  • @richardschumacher6014
    @richardschumacher6014 3 роки тому

    Goddammit, I can hear that the sound is shifted, every time you play the damn snare. How could you not realize it's not properly synchronized #!&%

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  3 роки тому

      Wow you must be fun at parties with that attitude... It's called latency and many daws suffer from this depending on how much audio processing there is going on, regardless of the latency it does not hinder you in understanding the actual subject matter of the video, thus your complaint comes across as childish and arrogant. Have a nice day.

    • @richardschumacher6014
      @richardschumacher6014 3 роки тому

      @@artfxdnb I was just trying to give some constructive feedback. Also I only use 10 year old shit hardware and I never had as much latency (sounds like something close to half a second in the video) wich would lead me to the assumption that there must be something else going on but I don't know, this video is already two years old.

  • @grease_witherspoon
    @grease_witherspoon 4 роки тому

    stilll needs a clap over it

  • @user-ly9qx6zf5k
    @user-ly9qx6zf5k 3 роки тому

    Эквалайзер, компрессор и хороший слух. Пожалуй достаточно.

  • @LIZARDDESTRUCTION
    @LIZARDDESTRUCTION 5 років тому

    just eq 4head

  • @novie160
    @novie160 6 років тому

    I think if you have good snare you don't have to layer it with other stuff but with layering you can make pretty good snare with shitty samples.

  • @rob0nemusic369
    @rob0nemusic369 3 роки тому

    Dude, I actually spent like hundred hours to create a Dubstep snare sound from scratch with Serum, and it sounds like shit XD !

  • @nobodyneverknows
    @nobodyneverknows 6 років тому

    lol, you dont have to do anything, but maybe you want to ?

  • @xXValomatXx
    @xXValomatXx 4 роки тому +2

    I dont get hose kinda videos. where people screw the hack out of their daws with 15 step saturations and 10 time compression stuff.. Formant shaping here and tails tweaking there... it's such a waste of time. You do that for all the drum instruments in a beat? okay, thats why people need to make videos on youtube instead of earning money with their music I guess... there is simply no time left for making music :D And all the kids follow the steps and do exactly what someone else on the internet did and thats why in the end everyhing sounds the fucking same. because no one develops his own style and tries out and learns stuff. And thats why styles like dubstep are dead. Everything sounds the fucking same...

    • @artfxdnb
      @artfxdnb  4 роки тому +1

      I wouldn't call it a waste of time, it's called sound design and it's something that certain genres do more of than others. Drum & Bass for instance, which is the genre I make, is a genre that heavily relies on sound design, thus spending a lot of time doing it is not a waste of time at all. Effects should be used when you need them, not because you see others use them. However when it comes to sound design, there are no rules, you can do whatever you want and when it sounds good, then use it.

  • @articletwelve8590
    @articletwelve8590 5 років тому

    you didnt parrellel the snare. to make it stand out even more, you want to have the original snare dry, and off that dry track you parrellel 2-3 more snare tracks and in those tracks - you assign your various eq profiles and effects accordingly. anyone else notice the new genres of music seem louder but actualyl carry a lot less sub bass freq? this is due to phasing from layering samples. the difference is huge. use one sample, use many channels to parrellel process the one sample. layer the effects thru the parrellel tracks. I never found it benificial to go beyond three layers, if I need to do that, then the sample itself needs to be replaced with a better sample. thats my simple q&A to keep the sample quality high.