The 3 Wild Dragons (House of the Dragon Lore)
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Three dragons that have never been tamed by a member of house Targaryen
lair on Dragonstone. They should play a part in HotD season 2?
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Stupid question: what video editing software do you use? Windows 11 update made my old editor obsolete. Love your work on these lore videos.
Spoil things bruh were here for lore
O thanks mate! I was just too scared to watch :D
Hey so, a little "fun fact" about this scene in the book.
In the book, Rhaenyra makes a solid point about the number of Dragons. She said only 5 of the 13 are truly war ready for anything. She said she herself wasn't gonna be good to ride anytime soon, due to the premature, failed pregnancy.
Most of her sons and Daemon's daughters were too young, and so that left only Caraxes, Meleys, and Seasmoke, with Vermithor and Silverwing being potential allies. That would've been their solid team. (Wild Dragons of course would've been an extra effort, never having been riden before)
But, if I recall her official count, I think only Caraxes-Meleys-Vermax-Arrax-Moondancer were truly considered (they all had riders and were of decent age)
And that's 5 Black Dragons Versus 4 Green Dragons, and I can't stress this enough but, one of those 4 is granny-Vhagar. More battle experience than all the Dragons on Dragonstone combined.
As Rhaenyra said in the books "that's Five against Four, and one of those Four is Vhagar. There is no advantage".
I think Meleys and Caraxes together would have a fair shot against Vhaegar especially as their riders are more experienced than Aemond. That's IF they have the right strategy.
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Well, Daemon's strategy was to basically kill himself and Caraxes in a Suicide run in order to take Vhagar down. And even then, Vhagar did more damage to Caraxes, with the impact of the Lake actually being what ultimately killed Vhagar, due to her massive size and old bones.
So, the experience of the rider only goes so far, and I'm sure Aemond's been riding and bonding with Vhagar for years now. He's likely ridden her often in the past 6 years, plus the extra year during the Dance, making it 7. Sure, he's not been bonded with her as long as the other 2 but, it's not like he's a fresh new rider at the outbreak of the war.
So overall, I'm sure they'd be able to handle him yes, but one of them may end up dying, along with their dragon of course. And keep in mind, Sunfyre and Tessarion would also be counted as well (we know Helaena doesn't fly much, but its worth a mention) though Dreamfyre is still a rather large dragon, likely bigger still than either Caraxes or Meleys. Or at least around their size.
Still, Vhagar in this hypothetical onslaught over King's Landing won't be fighting alone, is all I'm saying.
And that's not even accounting for Dreamfyre who should be bigger than Meleys or Caraxes, also on team Green. Sure, we the audience know Halaena probably won't ever ride Dreamfyre into battle. But Rhaenyra barely knows Halaena. She can't count on that.
@@thalmoragent9344 Did you just spoil how Vhagar dies? -_- (Someone who hasnt read the book)
It's interesting that both Balerion and Cannibal have the same colouring and are roughly the same age but seem to be from a different lineage.
If they're the same age, then wouldn't Cannibal likely be dead? And even IF eating dead Dragons and humans has allowed him to live a bit longer (maybe magic dragon flesh and blood is healthy if consumed) then still, he'd be just as heavy and face the same issues (and admittedly, some advantages) that old Vhagar has currently
Also, do we know if Balerion had green eyes? And did he have Red Highlights like Drogon does, or no? Perhaps Grey, even? Or just all black?
@@thalmoragent9344 most fans seem to think he's all black or he has a hint of green,but we're all not sure,house of the dragon will surely clear it up
@@thalmoragent9344 Wild dragons might live longer tho. The dragons in captivity didn't grow as big and Cannibal wasn't used in war. But it could also just be an offspring of Balerion or Meraxes that grew wild. We're still missing a lot of description of the dragons
Cannibal not only isn’t as big as balerion but cannibal is also probably just a feral dragon lol, not some other lineage of wild untamed subspecies
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I know, but he's not the only Dragon that's been on Dragonstone doing his thing, and it's not age but size that makes a Dragon droopy and sluggish (so large that it's a task just to rouse and fly). Silverwing is only a bit younger and smaller than Vermithor, but since she's of a more slender build, she's not as ragged looking as Vermithor or the likes of Vhagar.
So, even if Cannibal were to live longer than Balerion, if Cannibal is Vermithor or Vhagar size, then we gotta take his age into account as well. So, how does this all fit?.
Very good, I love the dragons of GOT. You should make a video about the four dragons of House Targaryne that seem to have been omitted by all other makers of GOT material. These were the Four that came with the first Targryans when they escaped the Doom of Valyria, along with the fifth dragon, Balerion (later known as 'the Black Dread').
These four dragons journeyed to Dragonstone, and lived there for years before the conquest, and although of the five dragons, only Balerion was still alive when Aegon began the conquest a hundred years later, the other four having since died of old age, I feel they are still worth mentioning. At least one or two of them would have laid the clutches of eggs that produced Vhagar and Meraxes.
These four dragons were all named after the gods of old Valyria, and Viserys names them all during that bath scene in season 1 of GOT. They are named; Ghiscar, Valryon, Essovius and Archoni. He tells how after these four dragons died, their skulls were later moved to the Red Keep, and kept in the throne room. Their skulls were some of the biggest ones there, and his father the Mad King would give him a sweet if he could successfully name them all.
Since Septon Barth once said that the Dragons can change genders my guess is that the Cannibal is the offspring of Balerion the Black Dread.
I agree with you. I believe that Dragons can change gender whenever they want.
I really want to see cannibal
Probably would be cut off from the show.
I read a theory somewhere that in the Old Tongue, "There are cannibals on Skagos," could also be translated as, "Cannibal is on Skagos."
Yeah but he’d still be dead. He’s the oldest of the wild dragons and Sheepstealer was born when King Jaehaerys was still young. This puts the cannibal at 70+ years old at 130 A.C. Which means by 300 A.C he’d be around 250 years old. We know Balerion was around 200 when he died of old age which makes it unlikely that the cannibal would still be around.
Plus dragons don’t like the cold. The only reason why he would have left Dragonstone is due to the death of all the dragons, they were his diet. He’d most likely fly to Essos and perhaps Valyria in search for more prey.
Maybe we find Bran with a group of Skaagosi wildlings who live in the head of the Cannibal and ride one-horned goats
@@joshuaadams6565 Balerion didn't actually die of Old age alone the wounds he received from the journey he and a Targaryen princess had to Valyria never fully healed and it was said he only took flight once after his return from this event implying that he may not have fully died of old age but of the wounds he received, plus nobody knows how old Cannibal actually was he is a very large dragon but some Dragons grow faster than others meaning he could have been similar to Danys dragons who grew very large in a span of like 2-5 years for all we know Cannibal could have been a 20 year old dragon that was abnormally large because it was wild and ate other dragons. And in regard to your Skagos comment about Dragons don't like the cold. That's not really fully True. Every dragon that went to the North was completely fine except when they attempted to fly North of the wall. Skagos also is a place where lots of Dragon Glass is found meaning Skagos is a volcanic island or at the very least has volcanic activity on it somewhere making it prime territory for a dragon despite it being further north
@@mouse3872 No, Balerion died of old age, and the reason he didn't fly anymore is that he didn't have a rider so he never had to, and we get a fair few descriptions of dragons growing lazy and fat in their old age so it's not at all surprising since he'd be fed and cared for regardless.
What if Skaggs is built on the back of a sleeping canable and the sleeping stone dragon is him that Mel wants to wake
One thing I know for sure is book fans are gonna lose their sh!t if The Cannibal graces our screens
The cannibal should be taken out of the show. Doesnt give anything plot wise.
@@Alejojojo6 yeah I know, but just a glimpse of him will be enough for the book fans.
As much as the fandom seems to really like these dragons the only one I see getting really any screen time will be Sheepstealer, he's the only one that actually affects the plot of the Dance. Grey Ghost is explicitly an elusive dragon that avoids human interaction and Cannibal doesn't offer anything to the story besides extra lore, so unless they significantly deviate from Fire and Blood, they probably won't show up.
I don’t think they’ll show up a lot but the producers have said that the wild dragon designs are their favourite which means at the very least they’ve been designed for season 2. I believe we will see them for a scene but as you said, Sheepstealer will be the main wild dragon that we follow throughout the rest of the story.
However if they introduce a dragon they’ll most likely tie their story up at the end. We probably will see Greyghost die and the Cannibal fly off.
I do think the same. Also rumors say that instead of having Morning be hatched by Rhaena during the dance, Morning would be cut off from the show. Rhaena will instead taming Sheepstealer, fusing Nettles with Rhaena in the show (and cutting any romance between nettles and Daemon). This last one seems to make all the sense story and budget wise.
I love how hotd is this huge political and cultural drama, and we're all like "WEAR DA SCALIE BOIS" 🤣
Lmao cannibal is a complete menace to dragon society lol
Love the Targaryens and their dragons.
The Targaryens also love Targaryens and their dragons 💀
I personally think the cannibal size wise is the second largest dragon not as large as vhagar but larger then the bronze fury do to the fact he was never caged he would be a large dragon as for age I would but him around 120 to 130 years old as origin I think he was the egg meant for maegor the cruel
Thank you!!! Been waiting on another video
Great video! Could you do a video about the small council in the style of your kings guard video?
Wait wait wait... something FOUGHT *BALERION* ?!
Also great Video. And what are your thoughts on my naming of the Wilde Dragons?
The designers said the wild dragons are their favorite designs. There are a lot of little differences - they don’t have riding bolts in their necks.
I love dragons 🐉 , so I really hope they add / show everyone's dragon.
Niðhuggr the Cannibal, bonded of Ulvar Snow. Natural son of Daemon Targaryen and Valla Wolver of Skagos, halfbrother of Kaellaena Waters and Nettles. Friend of the Black Dragon of Dragonstone, that sees his own Kin as Weaklings for allowing themselves to become Slaves.
-Also know as the Hungry Wolfdragon, for his Bloodlust and Harshness.
-Member of the Night Dragons, Servents of Dragons of Dragonstone and Nature.
Soklarrax the Sheepstealer, bonded of Nettles the One of Who Befriended the Sheepstealing Dragon. Unclaimed daughter of Daemon Targaryen and the Black Pearl of Braavos, Dragonseed guard of Sheep. Halfsister to Ravn Snow and Kaellaena Waters.
-Also know as Netty the Fearless, for her Courage and Bravery in Battle.
-Member of the Night Dragons, Knowledge keepers of old Valyria and Magic.
Valaenax the Grey Ghost, bonded of Kaellaena Waters. Natural daughter of Daemon Targaryen and Mysaria the Whitewyrm of Lys, halfsister of Ulvar Snow and Nettles. Friend of the Dragon that is Silente as the Sea Wind, that is Deadly as the Dawn.
-Also Know as the She Dragon of Dragonstone, for her Fiery and Fierce personality.
-Member of the Night Dragons, Protecters of the True Histories of Westeros and Essos.
I'd argue Nettles is more likely Daemon's own Dragonseed tbh, from the descriptions we have. But, who knows. If Cannibal was ever given a proper name (The Cannibal being his title) and had a rider... imagine how THAT would've altered the war.
Though I admit, the battle of Tumbleton would've been more believable and epic if he was involved. The idea that Vermithor somehow couldn't handle Seasmoke just never sat right with me. Even with Tessarion involved,(who we don't even know if she was aiding Vermithor or Seasmoke) it seemed odd to me that she was the only one to survive till morning.
Now, had it been both Cannibal and Seasmoke VS Vermithor and Tessarion (or I guess, wait for Seasmoke and Tessarion to have their little dance first) then I could see "hoary old Vermithor" really duking it out with the Cannibal, and if he survived to kill him and Seasmoke THEN laid down and died, I'd see that as a more fitting end, both by a literary standpoint as well as iconic.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nettles was Daemon's daughter. He spent years overseas in the Stepstones, Essos and the free cities etc. Daemon would most definitely have bastards, married or not, the ladies loved him.
@@thalmoragent9344 I have edited that Nettles is Daemon Targaryen daughter now with the Black Pearl.
Man do I wish to see the Cannibal. It would have been cool if they made him kinda like the white walkers in the erly seasons. Few appearances and some of them vaugue. Like from our perspective. Where we see only it's torso. They could even make it so that the audience doesn't know how big he is. Because we see him from a distance orvsomething like that.
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I honestly believe the fisher folk more than I believe the masters when it comes to Cannibal's origins.
Oral history is a pretty underrated form of record keeping and they are the ones that have lived there for generations.
On the other hand I'm a big fan of the theory that it was Orys baratheon's bonded dragon that rejected him because of his bastard blood and his hate for targ dragons is foreshadowing.
The cannibal is Untaimable,
Sheeptealer and grey ghost are
But they dont want people on their necks to win A war.
You know sheep stealer and grey ghost had to be tough to not get eaten by cannibal
Cannibal actually only ate dragons eggs/babies or super young dragons, there's not evidence or record showing he killed any adult dragon. The only dragon that ever had killed an adult dragon to cannibalising on his corpse was Sunfyre.(Cannibal and Sunfyre are the only known dragons that ever ate other dragon's corpse on the ASOIAF lore)
@@ilbb7055 thanks for the info haven’t read the books yet super excited to start
@@JonathanVegaa Oh I hope you enjoy the book when you read it! I admit I was not impressed by Danny's dragons on GoT but Fire and Blood's dragons are really cool, with distinctive traits and interesting lore (and they have the coolest names, Vermithor the Bronze Fury, Sunfyre the Golden, Tessarion the Blue Queen, Balerion the Black Dread)
Sheepstealer obviously came from Wales 🗿
Why do people think the cannibal is bigger then balerion or vhagar? When it makes no logical sense?
Because there's one line in Fire and Blood that says the smallfolk on Dragonstone told the story that he had been there since before the Targaryens and people take that as gospel for some reason. Even though that would make him over 200 years old during the Dance.
@@matthewhart9610 but that's not possible,and why are they taking the word of the small folk so seriously?
@@FamilyChannel-yv1xv Rule of Cool? Idk, I guess people hear the idea of a dragon even bigger than Balerion and just accept it cause it sounds cool. Plus, everyone in the fandom is so coked up on the maester conspiracy theory they think anything any maester writes or does is some attempt to kill the dragons and take down the Targaryens so they'll believe any other source.
WC!!!!!
So wild :)))
If they remove nettles from the story I will be pissed
i want grey ghost....
Cannibal is still alive and he waits for his rider, The Night King.
Love your content but I have to say all of this short form content Isn’t quite hitting the Mark that your long form stuff used to :/
Nettles has to be the smartest character in the entire "Dance"
Sheepstealer i think is the most important of the three wild dragons.
Ngl mad u not going over certain shit cause *spoilers* lile obviously ppl who watchin shit like this dont care abt spoilers were here for the lore bro, give a warning, then give the information kindly 😢😢😢
the show is going to differ from the books anyway. the dragon that Rhaena is tracking down at the end of s2 is VERY likely sheepstealer. which differs from the books where she hatches her own dragon.
My best dragons
1.drogon
2.ballerion
3.viserion
4.vhagar
5.cannible
6.sheepsteeler
7.crexes
8.mexes
9.rhagar
10.vermothin