Pan's Labyrinth: Disobedient Fairy Tale
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You forgot to mention that Mercedes and Ophelia’s storylines mirror each other: both get a key and a knife as tools in their journey and both are asked (demanded) to give up their little brothers’ lives, and ultimately both refuse.
Never even thought of that!
i thought the same,to the point where i thought maybe they were supposed to be the same person. and the existence of Ophelia itself was how a part of Mercedes ,the part thats still innocent and believes in happy endings and fairy tales ,was trying to reconcile with the grim bleak reality shes facing.
wither thats true or not it doesnt matter ,to me it made the final scene all the more heart breaking than it already was
EXACTLY! When I watched the movie and they both had brothers and then Mercedes talked about “not trusting fauns” etc. I felt like she was connected in some way.
BXDK TRUTH
True, interesting POV, thanks! I´m using this for my homework c:
The scene where Mercedes tells the captain that his son will never know his name is my favorite movie moment in contemporary cinema.
The single most cathartic moment I've ever experienced
I think Del Toro himself put it best.
The words killed him before the bullet did
wasn't necessary to use contemporary, as there isn't any medival cinema.
I saw it as a complete subversion of expectation. throughout the film, all emphasis was on the captain's inadequacy, and cowardice especially in comparison to his father. in most stories, the villain will have at least some sympathy, and in most films, he would have been allowed this sympathy, for his ark to be complete by the end, to have lived a coward but die a man but Mercedes denies the captain of any redeeming quality
When she shoots him I felt so happy, it was so satisfying
Talking to a friend I realized the switcheroo in Pan's Labyrinth. The characters in the fairytale world are imperfect, realistic. The Pan has dirt all over his body, the faeries are biological beings, not cute creatures of light. On the other hand the real world are full of archetypical characters. The antagonist is the most cartoonish, pure demonic evil. The doctor is a healer who never sways from that ideal. The rebels are all heroic martyrs. It's like the fairytale world is more realistic, while the reality is a tale of good and evil.
Gábor Koszper, very good point - thanks.
Hey, that is interesting!
Almost like the fairytale is the reality and not "the underground"
And the monsters were in the real world.
Ofelia was not scared of all the strange magic creatures... she was scared of the real world.
Maya Fey
She was pretty freaked out by the skinny dude that ate kids.... and rightfully so
@@AmbyJeans I KNOW WHAT DO THEY MEAN SHE WASNT SCARED OF THE creatureS
The exact reason why this is on my list of top favorite movies.
Work of art.
I feel bad for the people who disregard it simply because it's not in English.
I know! I get a lot of "I hate reading subtitles' =\
Just learn spanish. turn off the subtitles. problem solved.
Tell 'em 'bout it!!!
Here in Brazil a lotta ppl watch it dubbed, and others (myself included) watch 'em subbed. We don't fight much about it, everyone does as they please.
Heck even I watched it! I'm visually impaired and can't read subtitles easily, so I had my friend narrate much of what I missed. (She said I just HAD to watch it. Halfway through, she got tired of narrating, but I refused to turn it off. I borrowed it and paused at every subtitle to get up close and read it before unpausing.)
I've seen some wonderful child actors in movies, but the girl who played Ofelia is perhaps my favorite. She stole my heart from the beginning, which is not common for me. She's truly something special.
•Edit. Holy shit 3.2 thousand likes! Thanks lol.
Yes its very rare that child actors and actresses such as her truly captivate the audience . . .
You should see the 12 year old main character in Orphan. Its an amazing movie!
watch beasts of no nation. greatest child performance in history hands down
The girl who plays Ofelia is in The Shannara Chronicles btw!
I agree. After I saw her, I hoped to never see her again. I want to only ever see the beautiful character Ophelia.
It's a shame del Toro never got to direct The Hobbit. Just imagine what he could have done with it.
+Grant Bennett Not much considering it's a children's story (unlike The Lord of the Rings trilogy).
Why do you say that? Just because del Toro's films tend to be dark doesn't mean he's incapable of tackling a children's story. According to Phillipa Boyens, del Toro's Hobbit would have been much more of a fairy tale had he not dropped out of the project.
+Grant Bennett Not much better... The films were unsalvagable from the moment they turned it into a trilogy.
+Dat NguyenThe Apparently del Toro wanted just a single film until he was convinced that two films would have been better for telling the story. When Jackson took over he rewrote the screenplays with Boyens and Walsh and made the decision for a trilogy after wrapping up production on the first movie. So you could argue that the films were unsalvageable from the moment Jackson assumed the director's chair.
Yeah, I'm not sure Jackson wanted a trilogy though. I mean, i know next to nothing about this but it seems to me that no sensible director would make the hobbit into a trilogy just for the heck of it. I suspect it was ordered from above. #ThePowerOfMoney
If I may add, from the fairy tale side of things the reason Captain Vidal couldn't see the fawn was because he wasn't looking for the fawn.
Or... Ophelia was just telling herself a story, like how we all tells ourselves stories in situations where we don't want to be. Stories of hope, stories to keep us and others around us, going stories that enable us to deny the often horrible world around us. And when we 'pick' an ending... we're doing the same as Ophelia.
+daddyleon well, that's your opinion man
daddyleon
I'm arguing for one theory or another I'm just pointing out something they forgot to mention.
***** Oh, I see.
Yes, that's indeed one option. The fawn could also have been 'hiding' himself from people he didn't want to be seen by. And who knows, maybe there a lot more options.
+daddyleon if ophelia was just imagining all this...than howcome that root tuber healed her mother.......and pls also answer my this question .......i found the film very interesting ....but still...dont know why everybody praise this movie........can u tell me one sentence.....why this movie is so praised........(& i am from india).....PLZ REPLY
Can we also just talk about how brilliant Del Toro was when he chose the name Ophelia for his protagonist?
What is the significance of that name? Is it supposed to be a feminine version of Orpheus from Greek mythology?
It may be, and that's a totally valid interpretation, but I was thinking of the reference to Shakespeare, Hamlet in particular.
I think you're right. Though I never thought much of the name when I first saw the movie, since it's a fairly common name in spanish-speaking countries (I even have an aunt with that name).
I got the reference immediately.
I'd watch it but I don't know what a "Pan s Laaaabyrinth" is.
I love how even "obedience bad" is too narrow to fit this movie completely. While Ofelia's disobedience is generally framed as an admirable quality, in one instance it leads to the painful deaths of her tiny winged companions. The movie takes a firm stance against unquestioning, uncritical obedience, but refuses to give an easy alternative answer to the question of how to live one's life. It's not as simple as "always disobey authority" or "always follow your heart", and del Toro respects his audience enough to know that any one answer he gives will feel inadequate to us.
The fascist guy did a tremendous job in this movie, I love it.
did his mouth really got cut though ?
+Ahmad Hafiz No, you can see in behind the scenes that the cut is a small green screen material, just like the legs of the actor playing the faun has green screen pants to hide his real legs
You secretly like him.
Yeah I wanted him to die so badly. So he was a great villain.
The actor did a GREAT JOB... You really LOATHE, that fascist JACKASS..
There is also a paradox - it's people who obey without questioning who turn this world into hell but it's them who survive in that hell they have created.
only hell spawns survive hell...
We have to stop the cycle...
Woodhouse Studios
Unfortunately that cycle is taking over the world currently
Yet we are in the most pacific era we ever had.
Disobedient. Stunning! That is what we are. XD if you turn the world in order, then what remaining of it would be. You have to watch the movie which Daniel Craig performed name the invasion. Thr universe where we act like robot, always obey other's benefit, we are one, united and only 1. XD it is fucking nightmare so don't ask for that. The most effective method is decrease population, it will solve our conflict of of this so call disobedience and many thing like War, disease, jobs, pollution, crimes etc.
This movie made me cry. I haven't seen it in years, but this review made me tear up again. What a great film. The best fairy tale ever, because, like the narrator to this video said, it's so ambiguous that you can make up a thousand endings. There is no one narrative that controls the story. I tend to think that the little girl went to her version of heaven when she died at the hands of political violence. Very sad.
+Luboman411 -- I feel the same way. I was devastated by it then, and am now reminded of my feelings by this astute analysis.
just the beginning of that song bring me a storm of mixed feelings unique to this film...
Yes, I saw this movie several times.. I rarely do that, but I could watch it again and again. I used to love fairy tales, but feel sad when they're over. But not with this, you could really see lots of different endings in this, just like how all fairy tales have several different versions: when we choose an ending, we are like the people retelling the story to others, except,here, we tell t ourselves. I mostly prefer to see the sad, melancholic, and tragic ending that echoes real life..where Ophelia made up a story to cope with the terrors of her world. So just like Ophelia, we are telling ourselves a story when the movie ends.
And the music makes everything much more layered and intense, it's simply phenomenal.
I still hum that lullaby when I'm feeling sad . . .
@@jmorra You're telling me. I was a grown adult by the time this film came out, and I think I must have ugly-cried for about half an hour.
THIS MOVIE USED TO SCARE ME.
*correction: this movie still scares me.
jajaja yes, it does.
That children eating monster was fucking terrifying
Dillon Amor I saw this movie when I was four or five . I am thankful that my dad made me watch it with him because it’s an amazing movie.
Fabiana Garcia
4 or 5 is a little young for this movie imho
@@AmbyJeans i watched it when i was around that age surprisingly, it scared me at parts but i still liked it.
To me, a big theme and the ending for that matter, was about how, just because something is fantasy, doesn't mean it can't affect the real world. Everything Ofelia did was because of the fantasy quest, but it had effects on the real world. She lead Vidal to his death, saved her brother and helped a tree become fertile again
how do the fantasy aspects and images convey meaning of the "real" world problems faced by the characters
I noticed things in this video like how the pale dude has eyes on his hands, meaning he can only see what he can grab. And the
fact that Vidal constantly checks his watch ties him further wih kronos.
booh.. now that nerd writer told us some facts doesn't mean you have right to knit any trash
Ohhhh shit. Now I see it.
Rakesh roy
Huh??
Chronos and Cronus (Or Kronos) are different entities in greek mythology. Cronus, the titan and the one who ate his children is a god of harvest. Chronos is the personification of time.
@@cecilianavarrete1713 Rick Riordan lied to my entire childhood.
Just wanted to point out that The Red Shoes is more than that movie, it's originally a ballet that was adapted from a fairy tale. It's about a girl who get some shoes and never stops dancing.
Exactly my thought too!!
The Red Shoes is also a folk tale about a poor girl who lusts over fancy red shoes in the window of the cobbler's shop and grows more and more to despise her homemade burlap shoes. Finally her grandmother caves in and buys them for her as a present. When she puts them on her feet she begins to dance wildy and finds that she can never take them off & so she is fated to dance and dance until she dies of exhaustion. I read this from Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes which seeks to provide deep insight and outlines of psychic work & soul journeys within folk/fairy tales, especially traditional stories passed down orally within various cultures of the world. Pan's Labyrinth's metaphors and references go far deeper than this video states, but he definitely implies this is so.
Del Toro seems to have a thing for red shoes and shoes in general. They show up in Pacific Rim too, remember Mako's flashback? Shoes also have a big significance in Spanish/Latin culture, especially for women. There's a whole ceremony in quinceneras (sp?), the coming of age party for girls in Latin culture when they turn 15, where the girl changes out of flat shoes (usually ballet flats or sandals) into a pair of high heeled shoes.
Yes! The Red Shoes is a fairy tale by Hans Christian Andersen who wrote also The Little Mermaid. It's a very dark story. The girl was fated to dance even after her death. She asks an executioner to chop off her feet, he does so but the shoes continue to dance, even with her amputated feet O.O
Rainy Hastings she gets punished because she wears them to church, against the wishes of her grandma
Pan's Labyrinth sure is a beautiful film.
Satanic
@@desmondhodges9710 who cares lol at least its entertaining
Desmond Hodges how?
@@desmondhodges9710 Yeah very and it's the reason I didn't like it.
Made me want to be a child again
Pan's Labyrinth is such a well done and complete film.
I loved the fact that you pointed out when Vidal is drugged by the sleeping medication to induce the hallucination of him not being able to see the faun. I've never thought of it that way or noticed.
I just thought that the faun wasn’t letting Vidal see him through some way of magic.
Guermo del toro once said that there were clues that it was real, like how Vidal noticed the chalk, or Ofelia getting into Vidal’s room even though it was locked, how could she had gotten in there without the chalk?
But what about Vidal seeing the chalk?
Germo del toro once confirmed that it wasn’t her imagination. And to me. It is perspective. Either way, it doesn’t matter.
I am fine with how you think of it, and I can perceive it the way I want to.
I remember watching this film with my mom about ten years ago. I was five or six at the time and loved it. I watched it again back in 2013 and since then I've been trying to find it and watch it again. My mom passed away last year and every time when I hear the violin playing Pan's Labyrinth song I instantly feel my mother's comfort in a strange way. I never understood why I would hum the melody when I was younger because I sort of forgot where it was from until I came across the familiar title back in 2013. I'm thankful you analyzed this because it means a lot to me, more than you would ever know. Thank you.
Jay Fulkerson it’s on Netflix now. Sorry for your loss 💕
I wanna hug you man
love you brother
The utterly heart-rending violin rendition is on Spotify: open.spotify.com/track/7cL5ePbhHQdf9435DND6iq?si=REb0NEsKRVSg-vZn01WGGw
dude weren't you scared by the that monster with eyes on his palms?
Oh, I didn't catch that the dinner table mirrors itself, and the villain sits in the same spot. I had seen it a few times too. Thanks for pointing it out.
I am confused abou you saying that Disney remained faithful to the original fairy tales. His movies are full of songs, beautiful, funny and as little violent as possible, nothing like the originals from bros Grimm. None of the main character punishes the evil (only the prince in the Sleeping beauty), most of the antagonists just fall to their deaths, etc.
That is why I enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth, because it has the feeling of the original feeling of fairy tales.
+Vítězslav Ureš Yeah I was wondering about that too.
He made them child friendly, they're near carbon-copies, just with censorship and minor rewrites.
+jcudal32 Thanks for the message.
My knowledge of (modern) art is very poor so I had to look into Gombrich's The Story of Art and Eywitness Art - Composition, Sarah Kent, but I did find many things the Nerdwriter omited or focused on other things.
It is a pitty, but it is just as good that we really cannot trust anyhing on the internet =)
+Vítězslav Ureš I thought that too but I presume he just meant the patriarchy bit?
+Vítězslav Ureš I translated his reference to the adherence to the original stories as the adherence to traditional religious and patriarchal values where female sexuality and independence was viewed in more sinister light and/or as a commodity and a rich male figure typically saves the day. It is an overarching theme in our modern day and ancient fairy tales as well as the manifest destiny concept perpetuated through colonialism which is very apparent in Pan's Labyrinth. I don't think he meant this in purity to the plot as most Disney movies are fairly loose and sometimes insulting not only to their original inspiration but often the cultures they supposedly represent.
Seriously, stop cutting onions in here :'(
i know, right? they always seem to pick the huge and potent ones too!
just stick your tongue out
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Helen The Kitten and Gabriel the skeleton sure....
"Seriously, stop cutting onions in here :'("
...At any rate, it's very clear that the magical objects Ophelia collects throughout the movie have a tangible effect on the surrounding world. Most notably when Ophelia uses the chalk the faun gave her to leave the room she's locked in at the end of the film. It's not a plausible argument to say she found another way to escape. There were no other ways to escape.
I kind of hate it when people argue that she's inventing the fantastical elements of the movie to help cope with her trauma. They're clearly real, not delusions.
Well they might just be real to her, but in a very literal sense.
I don't think it's possible for things to be real for her and her alone.
Lovaloo
Why not?
because the world they live in ties to our world in the historical events taking place within it
Lovaloo
Look at it like this: she can actually enter that magical world and use things from that world.
But only _she_ can do that.
One of the most powerful anti war films ever, in my humble opinion just a little bit lower than The Grave of the Fireflies.
I don't think grave of the fireflies is antiwar...
it's deeper than that. you see dead bodies and the misery war causes, but (hold on, I'm passionate about these things)
grave of the fireflies adresses a young man that is in the age to start being responsible. he makes a choice he regrets, and loses his sister for it, it shows the dilemma he goes through because he's very determined and very lovely and likeable and very young. so young that you can't really blame him for making that choice. it's an issue everyone goes through, not everyone has people die because of it, but it's a very rare lesson, you never see that in movies.
Some people above were talking about movies with great child actors and Grave of the Fireflies definitely seems relevant there too (at least the original Japanese VAs, I never watched it in English)
Cornelia Hanimann if you like grave of the fireflies, check out anime abandon's review of it. It explains the reason of it existing as well.
Being spanish it was such a bittersweet end because in reality fascism won for so long...
You should watch Come and See. It's a Soviet war film depicting the atrocities committed in Belarus during the Nazi occupation. I swear, that movie is the most horrific, and the best, anti-war movie ever.
I have just finished watching this movie for the first time. I... I don't know what to say, what I feel... it's one of the few movies that stick with me forever, change something inside. Like the Cloud Atlas for example.
-manuela- Cloud Atlas was so visually and spiritually stunning. A beautiful film, one I think about often. That's great filmmaking right there, when a film sticks with you long after watching it.
Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite films, and yet it is a bad film. The Wachowskis can't direct for shit.
I like the book of Cloud Atlas more than the movie.
Cloud Atlas is one of my least favorite films. It's all over the place and has such loosely connected threads. I remember after first watching it, I just thought to myself "wow, that was a really long movie and yet I feel as if I've learned absolutely nothing of value from it".
I still feel that way.
It felt like I had wasted my time. I don't feel any real love or appreciation for it.
@@VintageLJ If you rewatch it a few times over and follow one of the characters for the entire movie, it makes sense why it's chaotic as it is. It's about reincarnations and life times.
This channel is so good that I unpause my ad-blocker for it.
+Xenon Creed It does just not so many.
+Nigel Franklin Why do you ever need to unpause adblocker?
+Jack Heathen To support the content creators? That is, if you don't want to donate.
+Nigel Franklin That's an endorsement if I've ever heard one.
Crispy Bacon Advertisements aren't the artist. And you're aren't an artist if you're in marketing and advertising. I'll the support the artist by donating yes.
Thank you for using "The Lullaby" as the soundtrack for this. An incredible piece of music from the film.
My favorite as well! I remember "rewinding" the movie so many times to keep replaying it, I loved it so much...
I am from Spain and this movie hits so hard in so many levels. By far the best movie of Guillermo del Toro.
I love the old language the faun uses! Reminds me of abuelos in México. I watch the Spanish version obviously
I thought Videl not seeing the faun was more along the lines of the faun only being visible to someone magical, aka Ophelia.
No.
@@AlMai222 That's entirely possible. Videl is a close minded adult male, he might not be able to see what innocent magic can see.
@@ArchieRatsworth No.
Or perhaps just visible to people that aren’t pure evil.
@@AlMai222 yes
Great video! ...This movie has long-fascinated me because it tricked me into opening my heart. A child's experience of war is so awful that I would usually protect myself from it, not allow myself to become too emotionally drawn into the story. I'd have switched off. ...But the movie tricked me. I thought--until the very end--that it was a fantastical story... but then... as she lays there dying, I was holding back sobs in the theatre. I was caught unawares, and the movie went right around my defenses, and the awfulness of war--especially for children--hit me hard. It devastated me. And it forced me to think about some things I'd usually rather not think about by choice. But this is--to me--the value of art: that it holds up a mirror, and denies you the choice to be willfully ignorant. I love this film; one of the hardest to watch, for me, ever.
it's been 4 weeks and nobody responded to this...this was very well said, I'm always curious about where we draw the line with art and just...lazyness, because there are artists that would hang up a picture that has nothing on it and leave it up to interpretation.
I think that's really important. to leave things there that raises questions, we learn how to react to these questions, learn about ourselves and what we ourselves value and where our priorities sit.
that is what many People don't get you need smiles for the tears to flow
Cornelia Hanimann
But at the same time it was a happy ending for her because she was so young and she achieved transcendence beyond this painful world. Transcendence that somebody like Vidal and the monsters that ruin this world will never understand.
the film is a master piece in the true sense of the term. a cultural treasure for humanity.
That movie really vexes me. It's magnificently beautiful, and magical, but it's terribly violent and graphic.
That shouldn't stop you from enjoying it. Violence and graphic imagery are a good thing so long as their purpose is to challenge the viewer and their way of thinking.
Beautiful way of putting it, Matthew.
That was the balance of it. This balance of the beauty of fairy tales and the innocence of children and the harsh realties of life and war . . . Poetic in a sense . . .
Tough skin is needed. Watch again.
What do I put here? And I love you! ;)
Pan’s Labyrinth has been my favorite movie since I first saw it. In fact I had to write a 10 page report for one of my first rhetoric English classes on a movie and I chose this one. I’m so glad you made this video.
Please send it 🙏
My god, the music used at the beginning of the video alone gave me so many goosebumps. The pans labyrinth soundtrack overall is just simply beautiful.
Everything del toro does is basically a “disobedient fairly tale, for grown ups
Still waiting for his Mountains of Madness.
"Pan's Labyrinth" is still my favorite fantasy-fairytale movie. Most of the other films of that genre are always too conservative, boring, stupid or lazy. But Del Toros film stays intelligent, horrifying, funny, sad, ugly and mindblowingly beautiful at the same time. Thank you for pointing that out again!
This movie wasn’t funny. This movie was brilliant.
I wonder who are those 16 people who dislike this? they disobeyed just for the sake of disobedience ?
please don't show the bottle scene. please don't show the bottle scene. please don't show the bottle scene. please don't show the bottle scene........... oh, thank god
That's a gruesome and depressing scene! I can't stand cruelty, even when it's simulated.
I've seen Pan's Labyrinth easily 100 to maybe 200 times and have only seen that scene once. I was surprised by it the first time so I couldn't even look away. Never making that mistake again.
That was the hardest one for me, too!
My man cannot stand any violence in movies, needed telling him to look away on several occasions. This was one.
I bought the criterion for this and had to pause after witnessing THAT scene
i remember watching this in a theater. the theater was full and when the movie end. there is only total silence for a few minutes all was sitting there no one spoke, no one stands up to go out. the end just sink into ur soul.
i cried at the end of this movie
This shit sad, yo.
tru dat
Yeah Mr. Sir! Yeah Cinema!
Wonderful that was amazing. I love the fact that you don't dissect art and movies, you poetically interpret them. Allowing the viewers to contemplate and examine their own opinions. What were left with is really interesting questions not tied down meanings and definitive conclusions. Your movie ones are my favorites. Thank you keep up the good work
I'm going to say it: Pan's Labyrinth is the greatest fantasy film ever made, rivaled only by The Lord Of The Rings trilogy. There, I said it, and I'm going to stick with it!
You're probably right!!
I'd even say it's one of the best movies overall
Nah, no doubt Hot Fuzz is a good movie. But it isnt a masterpeace like this one
yes, LOTR is still the GOAT tho.
Wow chill
This movie heavily uses magical realism which is really fun to see unfold in movies and stories like "Like Water for Chocolate" and "The Old Man with Enormous Wings".
The red shoes might also have been a reference to the fairytale "The Red Shoes", which also deals with themes of pride, immodesty (according to some interpretations) and disobedience.
Another wonderful video for a fascinating movie. Your greatest strength is your clarity of analysis. Even if someone were to disagree with some of your points, they would find it difficult to argue back with equal clarity. I said it in the Azkaban video, but you are doing some very interesting and thought-provoking work here. Thank you!
That was a beautiful analysis of one of my favourite films. Thank you! I love your channel.
Wonderful analysis of such a timeless and beautiful film. I had chills listening to it! Thank you for your in-depth discussion; your words are very refreshing.
I can't help but torture myself and always go with the sad ending, where Ofelia dies and all that magic was in her head to help her throgh her miseries. The fact that her mother is holding a baby, her brother I asume, in that throne room scene tells me this is her last warm thought to help her come to peace with herself before dying. Because her baby brother is still alive in the real world.
Yes, you could read it that way, but I also see it as proof that even though Ophelia has died, her death is a moral triumph rather than a defeat, because on a political level, she also died while resisting the representative of a cruel and oppressive regime...And because Vidal wanted to raise his son exactly according to the same ethic, Ophelia can be said to have saved her little brother from that regime also, and from becoming just the person Vidal wanted to turn him into. And if magic helped her through her miseries, well, then so be it.
Interesting that later, In Crimson Peak, del Toro uses jsut the same device of beginning at the ending of the story and returning to that at the end, but here it is much more complex - to this day, I find it hard to decide whether Edith truly lived through the whole experience in reality and then decided to write a book about it afterwards, or whether everything that takes place in that movie just takes place between the covers of Edith's book and nowhere else. But clearlöy Edith and Ophelia are related characters in that stories and storytelling are very important to them and are, in fact, a path to their personal liberation.
God I love this movies soundtrack
This movie depressed me for days...
+Bernie Leiva The music alone makes me feel this sadness deep inside.
+Bernie Leiva Haha only days? What are you some sort of emotionless psychopath?
***** I rarely watch movies twice, because I really dislike that, since I know the story... but I've watched this one 4x now, over the years, I think. So I think it's great, but... that entirely depends on what type of movies you like, so I don't think I could answer your question properly without knowing you at least somewhat.
Sorry.
I found the movie terribly sad, but not depressing. Quite the contrary, Ofelia wins in the end; she becomes the princess because of her sacrifice.
Benjamin Green No.. she died for nothing..
right?
The original version of the Brother Grimm fairy tales were more grewsome. Disney adapted a later edition of the stories, in which the "delicate nature" of women was taken into account. The stories were "fixed" so that "fragile" mothers could read it to their children.
In Cinderella, for example, the original story has the evil stepsisters cut off parts of their feet to fit the glas slippers. The prince falls for this, takes them on his horse and rides away. He passes a tree (3 times) and the doves in that tree warn him about the trick: "Roodedigoo roodedigoo - blood in the shoe." Third time is the charm, as always, because the glass slipper fits Cinderella.
Of course, making the stories more harmless, with cartoon mice, for example, was clever, because the original also had mice in it (i believe the ball dress of Cinderella was magically made out of them).
But this shows further creative license to infantilise the stories.
The Shape of Water doesn't come close to the masterpiece that is Pan's Labyrinth.
It’s dog crap compared to pans labrynth
Forgettable.
I would honestly say that they are equal in brilliance and performance... honestly guys I can't figure out where you guys are coming from...
The Shape of Water is a different story. I think it was good. It's no use comparing one story to a completely different story about something else.
Pan's Labyrinth is a solid effort by del Toro, but it's not his best film. The characters lack any real personality and Ofelia is such a passive protagonist.
The Shape of Water though is a genuine masterpiece that features a perfect performance by Sally Hawkins and a beautifully told story about every relevant issue that America was going through in 2017.
This Analysis Was an Absolute Masterpiece.
Nerd writer please never stop what you do. Because what you do is so important. We all appreciate what you do. Thank you 🙏 🙏
So well-written.
This is a difficult movie to condense, I believe. Really nice job. (Loved this movie)
I love how you can appreciate the art in European films. I'm Spanish and I appreciate how you're able to research and locate the historical context of the movie and explain that so well in the video. Spanish civil war and the Franco's dictatorship is one of the most painful periods in the history of my country, and the worse thing is that a lot of it is still alive today. The American people usually don't know nothing about it, as it is eclipsed by World War II. Such amazing work of explain an art film that portrays this historical context among American followers is so appreciated.
I can't believe how good this is, fuck.
I'd like to think that the drugs are supposed to infuse "complication" to the fact that he doesn't see the faun, but that seems like a leap to me.
+Apsis Motion Pictures It's less drugs and more the fact that Vidal is not only a narrow-minded Fascist with no capacity for understanding fairy tales, but also that he is just a normal human and isn't chosen by the magical world. The interpretation that it's all in Ofelia's head breaks down at two points: when she escapes her room through a magic chalk door, evading the guard, and more importantly, when the Labyrinth opens to her in the finale, letting her escape Vidal long enough for her to have the encounter with the Faun. The latter part especially simply can't be explained away, since we see clearly how Vidal is right at Ofelia's heels, only for her suddenly be at the centre of the Labyrinth without travelling through it by normal means.
Lightice1 If that's the intention of the narrative, then the drugs are counter productive towards that expression.
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The drugs are just an addition to the unreliability of Vidal's perspective, and an explanation for why a child is able to elude a trained soldier for so long in the first place.
Lightice1 There are a lot of really pointless shots, then.
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I don't see anything pointless about anything in this film.
It's why it's one of the best movies on this planet.
Your beautiful analyses tend to bring tears of joy to my eyes. Your ideas of of art are so well thought out, giving deep dives into the intricacies of the film and the ideas behind it. You allow the viewer to take a step back and view a piece of art from many different perspectives without giving one more precedence over the other. Your videos are very powerful life lessons. Thank you for creating such emotions within a viewer. You're amazing, keep up the phenomenal work!!
how do the fantasy aspects and images convey meaning of the "real" world problems faced by the characters
Holy.... I am in tears. Thank you so much for this evisceration of the scenes, it didn't came to my mind when i watched it, that it has an even deeper meaning than I thought.
Bravo! Their isn't, as a far as I can tell, a better way to start a Wednesday, than to hang out for a few minutes with the NerdWriter.... Keep up the good work!
Saw this in the cinema for the first time when I was 6 years old. It's still my favourite film of all time.
+TechJacket 6 Years old? Isn't that a bit young? I watched it when I was 14 and I have no trouble admitting I was fucking emotionally destroyed in every direction.
My favourite film too, tied with a few others.
Hahah yep probably.. I remember begging my parents to let me go and for whatever reason allowed it... I'm so glad they did though because I loved it and it didn't traumatise me or turn me into a psychopath so no worries :)
lol you got me
+Harrison Barr Looking back there's a lot of movies my parents let me watch when I was "too young" and I'm happy for it. I do agree that 6 is pretty dang young to see this though, I mean a guy gets his face bashed in with cut glass and they don't hide it. I saw this when I was about 10 or 11.
Shyla Streeter Exactly. And yeah I know lol, but to be fair a friend of mine saw Fight Club when they were 8 so I don't think watching Pan's was thaaat bad.
this movie was pure brilliance. the symbolism, the story, the characters, even the lesson. it's all masterful, beautiful, and slightly eerie. it's truly a unique and creative fairy tale, one that I hope others attempt to try to do, but I doubt others will ever do at as beautifully as del toro. a real visionary.
I'm crying
same
take it slowly
its ok bb
the first thing I did when I woke up was watch your video
+Jeffery Marion
Same haha
ditto. nice way to start my day
+Jeffery Marion Hope you've checked out Wisecrack too then!
This movie really moved me although it left me aching that Ofelia could've lived. The cinematography was beautiful but what eluded me was all the references to other fairytales.
When I first watched this movie I was so confused but I knew all the weird events were metaphors and similes. I'm also glad that this was made by a Spanish guy who didn't follow the traditional Hollywood script to never allow a child to be killed in a movie unless it becomes fashionable.
Mexican, not spanish.
The thing that I look for when watching a movie or a film is the story that it has to tell. Pans Labyrinth is one of the most beautiful examples of the right way to tell a story.
This film is so powerful and Nerdwriters case study so well attuned to the film, that just seeing this video makes me cry.
Ugh... another wicked and intelligent movie-based UA-cam channel I must now subscribe and begin watching all of?
Seriously though, watched a couple of these and I love them already. Keep up the good work!
Watching this again after watching The Shape of Water, where I noticed similar imagery being used. Red shoes, allusions to other fairy tales. I would like to see a case study on the use of color in that movie.
Hey, +Nerdwriter1, what do you think of making a video about Lamar's "To Pimp a Butterffly"? That album has so much to say... And it have a powerful message involving the develop of Kendrick as person and as an icon. It's really brilliant. So much background involving music, too.
And, about this video... shit! I amolst cried ;-;
P.S.: sorry for any grammar mistakes. I don't speak english .-.
I agree
+Julius Spell I second that
+Igor Mendonca Yea would be great, the album does have so much potential for an sociocritical discussion. Didnt even saw something like a Video-Essay about it already.
Best Musik of The World Rap It's not just sociocritical, It does have a very personal approach. And the duality between the social and the personal approach makes the Chuang Tzu Butterfly metaphor true, in an almost metaphisical experience at Mortal Man. And, of course, Kendrick doesn't follow the metaphor "straightly", he pimps it up (like the title says), distorts it, like he does with the genres he honors, in reference to the history of black music.
As a english non-speaker, words really fail me when I try to talk about the many layers of this work.
Nerdwriter has to do it!!!!
definitely!
I LOVE this movie soooo much. I didn't realize the disobedience theme until now but that makes sense why I like it. I had a really messed up childhood with adults who abused their authority and it taught me that the ability to resist and to question authority is a very necessary trait for survival. Disney story thinking will get you nowhere in this world. Most people don't know that Disney changed all those stories that originally were brutal and tragic.
WOW. I'm from France is this is EXACTLY how good french review of film are or any analitical texts are : getting the references, historical context etc. AMAZING. Surely gonna share.
When I was watching the movie I thought "wow this one shots feel very cuaron-like" and who was the producer? Exactly, alfonso cuaron
I just bought the novel - written years later - based on the film. It's as magical - and explains as it goes along.
Yay, Understanding Art about a Spanish movie. This makes me happy.
i swear this is my favourite video of you. i ADORE pan's labyrinth so much, to it's casting to the directing, the light, the editing, the special effects makeup, THE SOUND-TRACK!! absolutely aaabsolutely one of my favourite soundtracks eveeer i get the chills whenever i hear it. Del toro is a legend. He knows.
Help, I just finished Re-watching this movie and I can't stop crying...
Certainly a masterpiece. My favourite Spanish movie.
I got the chills on this one.
Dude you're so smart and awesome
I'm sitting in my study here in Norway and have just finished at least 4 of his videos. The first thing that came into my mind after watching the first one was "I wish I had a joint right now".
+Ryan T.E. I'm on vacation and i can't find pot :(
+Raziel Sefer at a beach ?
+Ryan T.E. I'm high af right now and let me tell you.... Its fucking aweesome.
A cinematic masterpiece. I saw this film with friends and we discussed it for years after remembering the night we shared seeing this great film. Pure art at its finest
This is utterly compelling. An incredible take on an undeniable modern classic.
Do _The Grand Budapest Hotel_
+Mau Jo Na Fantastic Mr. Fox
Hey, you forgot Hans Christian Andersen - he was a massive inspiration for many Disney films.
I loved this dark fantasy film. And now im starting to get that itch to watch it again , well the 57th time. I really need my own copy. Well i geuss the hunt begins now.
Heya, it's now on Netflix if you want to watch it / have that service
Will Herondale i dont have a Netflix sadly. However i did manage to find a copy on Amazon but thanks for letting me know.
i really wanna say that listening to you is knowledging and at the same time helps me sleep.. thank you.. hope u make more videos
Wonderful interpretation! Truly a transcendent movie about duality & it’s all in perspective.
I love how you chose to depict Disobedience as a virtue for freedom of self & community.
I get chills the moment I hear that lullaby.
You ever think about a birdman video?
I fucking loved this movie.
One of my favorite films EVER! Hauntingly beautiful, from the story down to the music...
I remember seeing this when I was like 15 and coming across it randomly on tv, and I couldn’t stop watching, such an amazing movie, one of my favorites.
Faithful? I'm sorry but the Cinderella I read as a kid had the two sisters cut their feet and walk the earth mute and blind.
+Jeremy McCabe I agree, he had some interesting things to say, but I wouldn't take this as the gospel truth or as expert analysis. I can think of at least three fairytales where the females are the hero (Rumplestiltskin, Donkey Skin, and The Snow Queen) and a variety of other major differences.
+Jeremy McCabe I think his interpretation concerns itself with the patriarchal/traditionally moral tone of the tales, which was appropriated in their original form. In all of Disney's renditions, this conservative moral theme is always present. The dumbing down of the violence is a censorship issue, something out of his own hands. Not to mention beginning and ending a movie with opening a book/the end title card, gives you a feeling of a single, packed narrative form. These two things (the moral overtone, the dominant narrative) is exactly what Pan's Labyrinth is protesting.
+Jeremy McCabe their faithful in their themes and interpretations of the story. Those are just details lost to achieve a pg rating.
+Jeremy McCabe damn, you are old as fuck
masterful analysis. I'll have to go back and read watch movie now
I love this movie, and I love LOVE this video! Such an excellent insight into a complex and thoughtful story. Thanks Wisecrack for sending me to this channel!
I saw this movie when I was like 9 years old. And I must be the strangest kid but that was my favorite movie. I would hum the theme and creep my family out all the time.
I recently saw it again as an adult and I couldnt believe it was my favorite movie. The tone, and the scenes are really mature and scary. But I guess my child self noticed the difference that it had from normal fairy tales and liked it better.
Your vid was great. Keep it up!
I watched this film when I was a kid, the film is Spanish and good so everyone in Spain went to the theatres, me and my friends did as well, I've never been able to take this film out of my head. When I saw it again later on, I was captivated by the fact that my grandparents lived in that Spain and how hard it was for me to imagine my country that way now, or my grandparents living in some place like that.
Good analysis anyway, you always see things that never crossed my mind haha