The Beta58 is more open and natural. The SM people just know for so long so they got used to the sound and flavour. The Beta series in general is really good! Brings out details. Technically a better output level.
When I changed to the beta it had an amazing impact on live gigs. All in all it's just clearer/brighter and more powerful... but as always the choice depends on the voice... :-)
It's because they immitate an existing sound. They actually don't know how to speak without accents or just don't bother to.. because they don't know how to handle it without singing. But the sound of vocals is easy to replicate.
Most important differences: 1) Beta58 Supercardioid, SM58 Cardiod - so the Beta58 shows a significantly more directed pickup pattern, which can be good or bad, depending on how much you can control your mic positon and how the monitors are set up (cardioid is least sensitive on the rear, supercardioid is least sensitive on the sides). 2) Beta58 has a significantly higher output level at similar SPL - if you are working with less expensive preamps this can be a big advantage. With the SM58, it depends a lot on the preamp used if you get pro level results or not. 3) Beta58 has an extended high frequency response, it's high mids / low highs ('presence') are a little faint, but can be easily EQed in, as it takes EQ very well. 4) Overall built quality is better at the Beta58: Hardenend grill, better damping of handling noise. In combination with midrange gear (Focusrite Scarlett series interfaces for example) I prefer the Beta58, as the missing mid / presence peak (it's only 'disadvantge' compare to the SM58) can be EQed in easily, but the higher output level is a real advantage: It gives you a better signal to noise ratio. If you use high end gear with good preamps the SM58 can deliver excellent results, too, though when the budget is big enough you'd rather go with a high-end handheld condenser instead (for example Neumann KMS105), unless you are very loud on stage...
tom k d Thank you Tom. I found the Beta58 had more problems in various live situations than the SM58, to the point where we retired the Beta. It was a loud live rock band. I preferred the brighter sound but it was impractical when playing 3 to 4 different venues each week :( As you said both mics take EQ very well! I could certainly hear handling noise for both mics in this basic comparison. A more rigorous A/B setup would be interesting.
Great info man... would you mind giving your 2 cents on shure sm86 vs shure beta 58? Which one would you buy for a strong female voice for live performances?
@@miagy420 I'd always pic a solid dynamic over an entry level condenser - these tend to lack mid range body. You can try the Beta57, too, if you want a more open top end: Beta57 and Beta58 share the same capsule and body, just the grill is different. Beta57 has no foam inside - it's more sensitive to plosives, but offers a more open top end. You can convert between the two but just changing the grill: spare part grills are available for both versions.
Weather he meant to or not, he definitely emphasized the AEEE sound in "need somebody like you" a lot more in the second take. Probably subconsciously highlighting the claimed brightness but the equipment should be able to speak for its self in such a demo. It would be a far more fair comparison to have had them both next to each other in a slightly off axis setup w his voice aimed between the two. Like a stereo recording but on tow comparable tracks. Also... he doesn't mention any difference in screen flavoring :P
Nice vocals Flavio. I like how there is less roll-off from the beta when you turn slightly away from the mic. I would have thought that this might create more feedback to the speakers, but that must be the magic of super-cardioid! There is a slightly less mellow sound from the beta; I guess this is what they call "brighter". All in all a good review!
Liked this video! To me the SM58 was lower in volume and masked so vocal expression, while the Beta58 was clearer and louder I felt like I could hear more expression from Flavio. Honestly I thought the SM58 masked his accent and he sounded more American. Neither one is a bad mic.
Can someone tell me::: I bought Shure SM 58 beta. Today I tested my Shure PGA58 with 58 Beta and i didn't find much difference of sound eventhough Beta58 price is nearly 3 times more than PGA58. Am I doing something wrong?
SM58 more eqalized no need for EQ and compresion, better overall for live performence than Beta 58A which is to dynamic and not equal in different frequencies
Be interesting to know how they compare for a female voice. I love sm58. I think many years ago I tried beta 58 and the brightness it adds to a male voice translated to a bit thin and ‘toppy’ on my very female voice. Anybody else know about this?
I agree, sm58 sounds and feels fuller to my ears whilst perhaps the beta58 sounds brighter and louder. Also, I’ve never had am sm58 break in years and years of use (and abuse) whilst my first beta58 lasted me about 6months only before its xlr pin connectors went loose and it had to be sent back to shure for repairing.
Well, must say, on the singing part of the video (nice vioce btw) I prefer the sound of the SM58. By the way, so it seems that you are a singer, too....which Mic do you personally use when you perform/record? Not only between this two mics, I mean which mic do you generally like most for your voice?
Great video. I need a mic for flute , hamonica and singing. NOTHING fancy . I'm in between Shure beta a 58 and Sennheiser e945. Had a Shure sm 58 before ( got stolen) , it worked fine but would like to try something a little better .Thanks in advance for any answer.
hay que saber usar el efecto proximidad no debió cantar pegado al microfono dominan los graves, si quieres un sonido mas brillante en el sm58 deber retirarte y subir el volumen sobre todo si es para graBACION, PORQUE SI ES EN VIVO PUES AHI HAY QUE REGULAR AL GUSTO DE CADA QUIEN
El efecto de proximidad en si no es bueno ni malo es parte del microfono, no necesariamente hay q cantar despegado sea grabando o en vivo, es saber usarlo de forma musical
Ich habe beide und wechsle immer wieder. Faustformel für mich: Für leisere intimere Umgebung eher das Beta, für laute Bühne oder noisy Proberaum eher das SM.
I love the wooden location set. It's like a German sauna and this so lovely. These sparsely arranged pieces on walls and lights and music equipment. Is this a cooking show with a singing moderator? Ha.. cool that he sings into salt and pepper shakers.. nice idea for a cooker to get attention on camera.. but you cannot bug us with you little salty gimmick.. no no.. ,,😁
I prefer the comparative warmth of the sm58, it seems smoother in the highs although the vocals don't "cut" or "pop" as readily as with the Beta. In the end (and I know it's subjective), though, I think the SM58 sounds more natural or truer to the voice. Good comparison, thanks!
@@wowawewah would be interested to know if you can hear much difference on recordings. My guess is the beta may produce clearer and sharper synthesised and digitally created sounds, but I think vocals will be purer on the original SM 58, which has been the go-to since the late 60s. Flavio also says the beta produces less feedback which is really only an issue for performance. Hope some of this makes sense! I can't decide if the beta is worth the extra investment.
I didn't hear $50 worth of difference. I hear they have a knob on the amp called "volume control." That might be worth adjusting if you want more sound. All my amps also have tone control. Lucky me.
Thanks for this great video! Two little questions: Is it possible to connect the SM58 with a pc with a xlr to 3.5 cable and record some things with for example audacity? And does anyone know if the "head" of the beta (what is it called? Capsule? Mean the round metal thing) would fit also on the sm58? I like the blue stripe, but would prefer the sound of the sm58 I guess... ;-)
UA-cam aktualisiert die views auf dem video nicht in realtime. :) Ich denke die haben andere und wichtigere Sachen zu tun, als ihre firmen-videos mit ihren privat accounts zu liken, haha. (Was dann auch wieder zu einem view führen würde)
Dir müßte man erstmal erklären wie man ein Mikrofon richtig hält ^^. NOOB!!!! Und weniger Feedbackanfällig mit Superniere ist Unsinn! Beise sind gleich Feedbacksicher, es kommt einzig darauf an wie die Monitore aufgestellt sind! Außerdem ist das beta nicht nur "obenrum" offener sondern hat auch nach "unten" einen erweiterten Frequenzgang, Beide Mikrofone klingen deutlich anders im Vergleich. Das beta hat auch etwas mehr Output. Nächstes mal machste bitte deine Hausaufgaben gründlicher. ;) Ich sage immer der Unterschied liegt darin, das 58 klingt mehr Vintage und das beta mehr Modern.
Dass sich Kommentatoren immer lustig machen müssen? Ist doch ein schöner Vergleich, und singen kann er auch. BETA ist einfach etwas brillianter, und daher meine Wahl.
The Beta58 is more open and natural.
The SM people just know for so long so they got used to the sound and flavour. The Beta series in general is really good! Brings out details.
Technically a better output level.
"This one and that one"
Damn wich one is wich one?
But i guess the "bedda one is bedda" ;-)
Andreas Fischer 😂😂😂👆🏽
When you're up close, it's easy to tell the difference because the "bedda" is blue... Unfortunately, it doesn't show that well on the vid. 😣
lovely singing at least someone should appreciate
When I changed to the beta it had an amazing impact on live gigs. All in all it's just clearer/brighter and more powerful... but as always the choice depends on the voice... :-)
Ty
Speaks with accent. Sings with no accent. Love that phenomenon. Great voice brother.
It's because they immitate an existing sound. They actually don't know how to speak without accents or just don't bother to.. because they don't know how to handle it without singing. But the sound of vocals is easy to replicate.
@@scribblenaut100 I'm Italian and can confirm this XD
Most important differences:
1) Beta58 Supercardioid, SM58 Cardiod - so the Beta58 shows a significantly more directed pickup pattern, which can be good or bad, depending on how much you can control your mic positon and how the monitors are set up (cardioid is least sensitive on the rear, supercardioid is least sensitive on the sides).
2) Beta58 has a significantly higher output level at similar SPL - if you are working with less expensive preamps this can be a big advantage. With the SM58, it depends a lot on the preamp used if you get pro level results or not.
3) Beta58 has an extended high frequency response, it's high mids / low highs ('presence') are a little faint, but can be easily EQed in, as it takes EQ very well.
4) Overall built quality is better at the Beta58: Hardenend grill, better damping of handling noise.
In combination with midrange gear (Focusrite Scarlett series interfaces for example) I prefer the Beta58, as the missing mid / presence peak (it's only 'disadvantge' compare to the SM58) can be EQed in easily, but the higher output level is a real advantage: It gives you a better signal to noise ratio. If you use high end gear with good preamps the SM58 can deliver excellent results, too, though when the budget is big enough you'd rather go with a high-end handheld condenser instead (for example Neumann KMS105), unless you are very loud on stage...
tom k d Thank you Tom. I found the Beta58 had more problems in various live situations than the SM58, to the point where we retired the Beta. It was a loud live rock band. I preferred the brighter sound but it was impractical when playing 3 to 4 different venues each week :(
As you said both mics take EQ very well!
I could certainly hear handling noise for both mics in this basic comparison. A more rigorous A/B setup would be interesting.
58 beta supercardoid I prefer
Beta is supercardoid not hypercardoid.
Great info man... would you mind giving your 2 cents on shure sm86 vs shure beta 58? Which one would you buy for a strong female voice for live performances?
@@miagy420 I'd always pic a solid dynamic over an entry level condenser - these tend to lack mid range body. You can try the Beta57, too, if you want a more open top end: Beta57 and Beta58 share the same capsule and body, just the grill is different. Beta57 has no foam inside - it's more sensitive to plosives, but offers a more open top end. You can convert between the two but just changing the grill: spare part grills are available for both versions.
1:03 there is a small but big difference 😂
lliterally my thoughts lmao
I get it though, it's merely a detail, but it could be important to some.
Beat me to it.
"Small feature change but BIG difference in sound" maybe what he was referring to?
So nice to have a great singer do mic comparison demos, well done.
the sm58 has more body and warmth the beta58 has a edge with a bit of clarity thrown in....just need to combine the two
Sm 58 will fit any voice and it takes post processing like a champ !!!
Weather he meant to or not, he definitely emphasized the AEEE sound in "need somebody like you" a lot more in the second take. Probably subconsciously highlighting the claimed brightness but the equipment should be able to speak for its self in such a demo. It would be a far more fair comparison to have had them both next to each other in a slightly off axis setup w his voice aimed between the two. Like a stereo recording but on tow comparable tracks. Also... he doesn't mention any difference in screen flavoring :P
To me only difference is about $70 worth. In a live gig you would no way tell them apart.
Great job as always Flavio! To me you actually sound waaay better on normal Shure 58.
It helps you with the accent. 🤗😉
Every mediocre mic sounds better than the SM58.
Nice vocals Flavio. I like how there is less roll-off from the beta when you turn slightly away from the mic. I would have thought that this might create more feedback to the speakers, but that must be the magic of super-cardioid! There is a slightly less mellow sound from the beta; I guess this is what they call "brighter". All in all a good review!
Sm58 - 2:15
Beta58 - 3:18
Liked this video! To me the SM58 was lower in volume and masked so vocal expression, while the Beta58 was clearer and louder I felt like I could hear more expression from Flavio. Honestly I thought the SM58 masked his accent and he sounded more American. Neither one is a bad mic.
Can someone tell me:::
I bought Shure SM 58 beta. Today I tested my Shure PGA58 with 58 Beta and i didn't find much difference of sound eventhough Beta58 price is nearly 3 times more than PGA58. Am I doing something wrong?
You may have a fake. There are 100,000s out there now.
The beta had more clarity and balance, great singing, good demo.
Nice vocals there Flavio! We went for the 58 Beta!
You have a good voice. The comparison is also good. Thank you for making these videos 😁
SM58 more eqalized no need for EQ and compresion, better overall for live performence than Beta 58A which is to dynamic and not equal in different frequencies
Be interesting to know how they compare for a female voice.
I love sm58.
I think many years ago I tried beta 58 and the brightness it adds to a male voice translated to a bit thin and ‘toppy’ on my very female voice. Anybody else know about this?
I agree, sm58 sounds and feels fuller to my ears whilst perhaps the beta58 sounds brighter and louder.
Also, I’ve never had am sm58 break in years and years of use (and abuse) whilst my first beta58 lasted me about 6months only before its xlr pin connectors went loose and it had to be sent back to shure for repairing.
Excellent review, the same song sung same way, that helps to see the difference
You have a good voice
The Beta 58 has about 4db more output so you have to turn the sm58 up a little to at least match the output level.
I heard more detail during the usage of the Beta 58.
Edit: Coming back a second time, the Beta 58 seams to provide a bass boost that is forgiving.
I actually prefer the shure sm58 . It has a natural. warm sound .
Well, must say, on the singing part of the video (nice vioce btw) I prefer the sound of the SM58. By the way, so it seems that you are a singer, too....which Mic do you personally use when you perform/record? Not only between this two mics, I mean which mic do you generally like most for your voice?
Sm 58 I liked a lot better. Warm and rich
SM58 Beta A for sure
Nice work! What is your top 3 favorite microphones do you recommend for vocals?
Who is best?
This one and that one, which one is which one?
Great video. I need a mic for flute , hamonica and singing. NOTHING fancy . I'm in between Shure beta a 58 and Sennheiser e945. Had a Shure sm 58 before ( got stolen) , it worked fine but would like to try something a little better .Thanks in advance for any answer.
Try Beyerdynamic mics.
hay que saber usar el efecto proximidad no debió cantar pegado al microfono dominan los graves, si quieres un sonido mas brillante en el sm58 deber retirarte y subir el volumen sobre todo si es para graBACION, PORQUE SI ES EN VIVO PUES AHI HAY QUE REGULAR AL GUSTO DE CADA QUIEN
Asi es.
El efecto de proximidad en si no es bueno ni malo es parte del microfono, no necesariamente hay q cantar despegado sea grabando o en vivo, es saber usarlo de forma musical
Ich habe beide und wechsle immer wieder. Faustformel für mich: Für leisere intimere Umgebung eher das Beta, für laute Bühne oder noisy Proberaum eher das SM.
I love the wooden location set. It's like a German sauna and this so lovely. These sparsely arranged pieces on walls and lights and music equipment. Is this a cooking show with a singing moderator?
Ha.. cool that he sings into salt and pepper shakers.. nice idea for a cooker to get attention on camera.. but you cannot bug us with you little salty gimmick.. no no.. ,,😁
I prefer the comparative warmth of the sm58, it seems smoother in the highs although the vocals don't "cut" or "pop" as readily as with the Beta. In the end (and I know it's subjective), though, I think the SM58 sounds more natural or truer to the voice. Good comparison, thanks!
to my ears, the shure is always muddy and muffled. whether its the SM58 or the Beta
The beta sounds more clear and warm and has more detail then the sm 58
The Beta is more metallic, less "round". It depends on your voice.
For black Metal?
I have one already, but is it recommended for recording and streaming?
Do you use it mostly for live performances?
@@stephenreid7043 mainly
@@wowawewah would be interested to know if you can hear much difference on recordings. My guess is the beta may produce clearer and sharper synthesised and digitally created sounds, but I think vocals will be purer on the original SM 58, which has been the go-to since the late 60s. Flavio also says the beta produces less feedback which is really only an issue for performance. Hope some of this makes sense! I can't decide if the beta is worth the extra investment.
great video! =D
I am pretty sure finger banging and microphones have nothing to do with each other :-)
Which is heavier? Beta58a or SM58?
SM58
Bought this.
I didn't hear $50 worth of difference. I hear they have a knob on the amp called "volume control." That might be worth adjusting if you want more sound. All my amps also have tone control. Lucky me.
Great singing dude :)
I first came for the mics, now I come for his voice, where can I find a full song by flavio?
Follow him on IG! ;)
Thanks for this great video!
Two little questions: Is it possible to connect the SM58 with a pc with a xlr to 3.5 cable and record some things with for example audacity?
And does anyone know if the "head" of the beta (what is it called? Capsule? Mean the round metal thing) would fit also on the sm58? I like the blue stripe, but would prefer the sound of the sm58 I guess... ;-)
Yes and yes.
Shure: the beta 58a has better durability.
Like the durability of the sm58 isn't good enough.
Good voice
❤
10-15 sec on each mic would have been more than enough and even better!
Beta for life!
Das Beta ist einfach nur "Brillianter" im Hochtonbereich und klingt "Blechiger" oder "Silbriger"...
Beta is not a "new series"; they've been around for decades.
Entonces... ¿El beta es mejor?
Beta 58 best of all time
I had to laugh t\when he said the "new" one it came out in 1991 I think
beta is more expensive and is the big brother of the sm58 so beta better for sure
el beta58 es supercardioide, es menos propenso a ruidos y acoples en el escenario, el sm58 es mas cálido, los dos son muy buenos y nada caros.
Para voces black metal cual va mejor?
I have both
3:32
2:30
They sound better when he closes his eyes.
haha!
//Kris
OK, now we know that both mics are good for Karaoke.
lol
not a big difference
Bullshit, beat is a supercardioid, 58 cardioid.
Spinnt mein handy oder hat das video gerade 4 aufrufe und 8 likes?
Liebes thomann team, müsst ihr uns da was mitteilen?😜
UA-cam aktualisiert die views auf dem video nicht in realtime. :) Ich denke die haben andere und wichtigere Sachen zu tun, als ihre firmen-videos mit ihren privat accounts zu liken, haha. (Was dann auch wieder zu einem view führen würde)
beta 58a is better
2:15. 3:17
Where’s the reveerrrrbbbb.
Beta sounds more direct to me and a bit brighter
That would color the sound. This is a mic comparison, not an album.
Doh k!
Like if you here for a microphone review instead a singer review...
This guy does not know anything about microphones.
why Ed
E.g. the grill has nothing to do with the background noise.
Edvard Gjertsen this gay is promoting his voice, not microphones
Español..
If you don't now how to sing they are the same😂
This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
beta!!!!
Dir müßte man erstmal erklären wie man ein Mikrofon richtig hält ^^. NOOB!!!!
Und weniger Feedbackanfällig mit Superniere ist Unsinn! Beise sind gleich Feedbacksicher, es kommt einzig darauf an wie die Monitore aufgestellt sind!
Außerdem ist das beta nicht nur "obenrum" offener sondern hat auch nach "unten" einen erweiterten Frequenzgang, Beide Mikrofone klingen deutlich anders im Vergleich. Das beta hat auch etwas mehr Output.
Nächstes mal machste bitte deine Hausaufgaben gründlicher. ;)
Ich sage immer der Unterschied liegt darin, das 58 klingt mehr Vintage und das beta mehr Modern.
Wie wird ein Mikrofon richtig gehalten:
ua-cam.com/video/ap4kLGmfmDk/v-deo.html
Dass sich Kommentatoren immer lustig machen müssen?
Ist doch ein schöner Vergleich, und singen kann er auch.
BETA ist einfach etwas brillianter, und daher meine Wahl.
Beta 58 A is a better mic period.
Just goes to show that quality equipment doesn't make you a great singer I guess
BETA MALE!!!
Shure for shure..hahaha