LG’s 27” OLED Gaming Monitor - 240Hz 27GR95QE
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- This is the 2023 LG UltraGear OLED Gaming Monitor (27GR95QE) and it’s the FIRST OLED with 240Hz support. It also has HDMI 2.1, VRR, DisplayPort 1.4 and NVIDIA G-Sync.
Coming in at 27”, could this be the endgame monitor we’ve been waiting for? I’ll get this unboxed and setup before talking about the specs and how it performs on the PS5 as well as for productivity.
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0:00 | Intro to 27GR96QE
0:36 | Inside the Box
1:33 | Rear
2:14 | Ports
2:42 | Design
3:23 | OLED Picture Quality
4:43 | Anti-Glare Screen
5:15 | Gaming Performance
7:00 | Productivity Mode
7:44 | Menus and Remote
8:57 | First Impressions!
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Is this THE ONE? If not, what else should be added?
UPDATE - YES you can get VRR from the PS5, you just need to set the resoltuion to 4K on the console (which the monitor accepts).
It very well could be. I'm hoping they put out a glossy version in the near future.
You had me until you found out it was only 1440p. Oled without 4k is a no go for me. Maybe if they make a 4k version I would spend money to get one. I hope they make a 32in size, 27in is way too small.
I need some help I need a monitor but don’t know which to get this LG 27 inch 1440p Oled or the LG 32GQ950 I currently only play my PS5 and use it for both single player games and Modern Warfare. I’d love some help as I’m struggling to make a decision!
@@ANTIQUELEGEND82 32 inches for desktop use is too big for almost everyone. 27" 1440p has the same pixel density of 40.5" 4K
@@Leonardinho097 who said that? I feel 32 inch is too small, lg c2 42 4k is the way to go, the desk should be 2.5 feet deep, it's way more immersive for everything, 27 is so tiny you can't see anything in fps game
Great review. I picked up an LG B2 55" during Black Friday and now I'm obsessed with OLED. It's one of those things you don't know what you're missing until you have it. Been playing God of War 2018 via Steam with the graphics cranked and I never seen a game look so good. I will eventually upgrade my monitors to OLED in a few years.
Once you go OLED, it's hard to settle with LCD.
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Your videos are so high quality. Thank you, Spawn. Saw your review and decided to pull the trigger on this one. I hope the PPI won't disappoint as you said coming from a 32 inch 4K.
I'm very impressed with it and will be selling the 4K one soon.
This isn't a review. He just read off a spec sheet and gave impressions. You want a real review, wait for tftcentral, rtings, and monitors unboxed.
@@JTCPingas I disagree, this was a fantastic review. It was short, sweet, and to the point. The reviewers you mentioned would go so in depth it would most likely be over 2x the length of this video and most people aren’t looking for that.
@@JTCPingas This is a review. Those are analysis.
@@SpawnPoiint what table is that sir and where can I get it?
THANK YOU for putting subtitles
Always so relaxing to watch your videos. No random confusing edits. Soft voice. Just perfect. You should make a podcast where you review different gaming items!
I appreciate the positive feedback 🙏
@@SpawnPoiint Keep it calm and your channel is gonna grow faster than your game can load!
@@SpawnPoiint hi i have a question why u like ps5 more than a pc i want to get a gaming system but idk what system soo pc or console what do u think and what do u like and why
Thought the same thing re podcasts. Such a great channel, thank you 😊
Is this your real voice?
Perfect review! Can’t wait for mine to arrive! Thank you for the early look 🔥🔥
Hope you like it, it's my new keeper!
Some people are missing the target market here in the complaints. It is aimed at Competitive PC Players first. There are way more of those who want to get into OLED Market than Consoles Players that want a 32" Oled at 4k 120hz. PC players prioritize PPI, Refresh Rate, and Input Lag. That's what they provided here with what Display Tech is capable of. 4k/240 isn't quite possible yet without compromise, so they are taking highest market share first.
i want 4k 120 not 32" inch tho simply just cus thats too big for my desk and i need dual monitor so i really would like a 27" monitor that has 4k 120+ with oled but it just doesnt exist i found a mini led which is the closest i can find and i cant even find it for sale anywhere
@Josegdumbniglet_1 you'll get it eventually, but that's an even more niche market. Im not hating on the different configs of OLED. I'm just explaining the Target Consumer.
You're right. A lot of people online write a lot of hate on 1440p, for me thats still the sweet spot. I imagined getting a 3090 or something like that and playing in 4k, in the end the higher framerates looked much better to my eyes.
Yeah my thought exactly. PS5 pushes like 60hz and output is 4k so this is a insane buy if you're just playing console. Yet it's showcased here
2k/240 is the perfect PC monitor.
Amazing review. Loads of information but yet straight to the point. Great work.
Thanks 🙏
Received mine earlier this week and I am loving this oled screen
Clear audio, nice-soft easy edits, and a nice table of contents in the video scrubber! 🙏🏼 thank you
I appreciate the feedback
Bought this on Prime Day. Held off until now. Cheers for the fantastic review.
Great video, definitely drooling over that monitor xD
Wishing you loads of further growth and success for 23 bud, cracking review
I appreciate that man!
Nice review, thank you. Looks like a great piece of kit from LG. Love the quality of OLED, the burn in risk is being managed well. However, I’d like to see more 3 year warranties, much like Alienware does. That gives a lot more confidence to purchase when you know there will be static elements on screen, gaming or productivity wise.
Jeez, really tempted by this.
I really enjoy all of your reviews, great job. I’ve been gaming on a 55” LG OLED C2 and it’s been difficult to find a decent monitor that would live up to the C2. I personally think the 42” C2 would be too large on a desk. I’m glad you explained that 4K isn’t necessary on a 27” screen as that has been a question of mine. I think I’m leaning towards this monitor.
The 32" OLED 16x9 monitor with a glossy finish is basically the Holy Grail right now. If LG ever makes that, they'll essentially own the gaming monitor market.
Incredible review, and I’m so pumped to be getting this monitor in a couple weeks!
Great monitor! 👍
what a monitor, also quality videos as usual😄
Update: I have it since yesterday and I freaking love it! 27" 1440p OLED is simply the most perfect in terms of picture quality, pixel density and size! Money well spend this time. ABL seems also much less aggressive depending on presets but holy shit, very great monitor!
@@BlackOut300FPS I returned it because of the annoying ABL, yes, ABL is still there and can't be turned off. And bad grey uniformity. I'm waiting for the Asus version.
I'm about to return my its way to dark. You have to crank up the gamma, contrast, brightness to be playable and you loose detail when you do this.
Hey man, just bought today. Do you know how to turn rgb lights on there back off the monitor?
Good concise review as per usual. I'm curious to know how the anti-glare coating affects the vibrancy of the OLED screen (in comparison to one of your OLED TVs for example).
You mean ad.
Thanks for watching!
@@oledevo no, i meant concise review or overview... basically the same thing.
Well done video
Always with great content 👌🏾
Appreciate that
4k 120hz at 32" Oled Is what the market actually needs
I just thought about it really 32 inch 6K 240 Hz OLED.
Not the competitive market. Competitive market actively avoids anything 4k shut 1440p is just not becoming acceptable with new cpus and gps but 90% are still gonna prefer 1080p and a 25in screen
You can already get 43 oled 140hz tv's
Facts that what i looking for
32” is a bit too big for my desk I’d rather have a 27” 4K Oled.
i ordered one and im still waiting for it to arrive, can't wait.
Nice review!
Nice review of 2023 OLED monitor Chris. This looks like a complete package. Although I personally prefer glossy screen for OLEDs but I get it that it is essential to have a matte screen.
I agree, I prefer glossy over matte.
Y is is essential?
It's not essential if you start using proper brightness unlike most monitors stuck in 1999 with 250 nits and proper anti reflective treatment like on OLED TVs. Monitor companies still think the only way to tackle reflections is with milky paper. This monitor has a peak brightness of 1000 nits. Its average brightness performance is more than enough
So far I love my monitor - issues like brightness really aren’t as big of a problem as I thought they would be before getting it. Very happy with my purchase :)
This monitor is not out...
@@Adam-vx6to it… literally is lmao… in the United States at least - I received mine on the third many got it sooner, how do you think the reviewer got it?
@@common3480 mr. viewers, get pre-release items, but I think it’s just my country where it’s not released yet
Would love to hear more about your experience with the monitor! I'm close to pulling the trigger on one.
So does that mean it is bright enough ? I like to have my screens really bright so I'm afraid to find it a bit too dark...
this guy living my ideal life congrats pro new sub
OMG looks amazing.
I'm glad we're getting close, now make that monitor 4k and you have a super happy customer 😀
@@AppleVisionOs I tried a 32" and it never capture my attention tion oersonally. I prefer a 27". If it is 144 hz I would be more than happy at the oled level given the fact that I have an ips 144hz at 1440p
If it us 144hz at 4k I will be a super satisfied customer with a price of $1k
Best size, best display tech, best resolution for PC gamers. Perfect monitor all rounder. 2023 OLED
Thanks for watching.
I can’t wait to get mine soon.
Looks amazing
I would wish they come out with 27” 4K 120hz or above OLED monitor. And also make the monitor slimmer and lighter for small space/desk and fits on light monitor arm. That would be ideal specs for work and gaming on my Xbox series x
Nah 240hz or 360hz OLED endgame
I game with Nintendo Switch. I would like to play Animal Crossing on a bigger monitor. Will this do? I also need to type papers for English class. I hope you can help me choose.
Can you compare this to the LG 27GP950?
I've been waiting Oled gaming monitor for the longest. Now I could say "finally"
Nice review.
Super tempted to getting this just want to see if someone can make a long-term review months later to see if it's truly worth it.
Yea, we need to see burn in results and wait for the hype to die down
@@FesteringRatSub there are already wide burn in tests for oled monitors and screens on rtings, this isn’t different.
How does picture quality stack up against 42" C2
It’s really amazing this monitors
Review nice and clean
All the worries I had with the monitor I think you've addressed. I was on the fence about getting this one, But watching your video helped me make my decision. Just pre-ordered one, If they ever release a 32 inch 4k version, I'll definitely pick up one of those as well. I'm using the Cooler Master GP27U and even though it's 4k and everything looks fantastic. There is noticeable blooming and constant flickering because of the dimming. I can get rid of it by turning off the dimming, But then that defeats the purpose of getting the monitor in the first place. The LG may not be 4k, But it seems like it doesn't really matter because the visuals more than make up for it. I'll probably end up returning the Cooler Master and just keeping the LG.
2023 OLED!
I just sent my gp27u back for a refund the blooming on text and makes it hard to read in game + you can't run it at 160hz at 1440p or 1080p then it fails to wake from sleep when I have my pc in safe mode the added input lag when you enable local dimming was my biggest drawback
Why not QD-OLED?
@@mirafu3481 It would be a better choice, But the only options are ultra wide monitors. I mainly game on consoles and use my pc for browsing and watching content. So I would end up with black bars on consoles.
Never thought I’ll say it but I’m on the band wagon on this ☝️ just because I’m in the same situation. And I want to experience this Oled 🚂
Got mine yesterday. Best Monitor I've had.
Is the matte display really that bad?
@@Veit010 I prefer glossy but matte is still fine.
@@madarasoun3018 Ok, I definitely want to buy this monitor. Thanks.
Are you playing on PC or console. Is it worth it to get this for console. I’m coming from a 4k monitor.
@@marbd5259 I play on ps5 and I‘ll order this monitor tomorrow.
The picture is still crisp because of oled technology.
thanks so much for including the minimum and maximum height specs fam
2023 OLED 😍, I always watch your videos to the end. This definitely the monitor for me . I gamed on an LG OLED 32inch in a certain gamers event and I loved it. I hope to one day get one. Thanks for the great video as always.
Thanks for watching too!
I was waiting for this video!!!!! Thank you for the amazing review! Happy New Year!!! Its ashame they put the anti-glare over it. It looks a bit glossy and ruins the beauty of it, But still a beast
Great review can't wait to get a 2023 OLED ;) namely this one once Best Buy gets them in stock. Already being a Totaltech customer this covers the burn in issue. Currently use an LG 27GP950 and was wondering if the firmware updates the same just using the on screen controls?
It’s very similar to the GP950
Well done brooo
2023 oled👍🏼 thanks for your videos, they’re top quality!
Ive been keeping an eye on this monitor and your the first to put up a proper in depth review so congrats on that mate, do we know when and where we can preorder this in the UK ? Also how is the HDR on this ? would you say its the same as the c2?
As Usual it's just the privileged US that can pre order
@@FesteringRatSub yessir ggez ong fr
@@AspectPlayzGamez?
Awesome video review! How is the ABL (automatic brightness limiter) on this monitor, especially during productivity sessions?
I know thats going to get skipped over, Same with burn in questions. Though this monitor looks insane. The burn in would be a issue for a desktop monitor and the icons etc. Ya couldn't do it. I had a LG CX and lightly was getting burn in from light use with the pc so that was out of the picture.
Nice 2023 OLED monitor. I just bought a 55" C2 for my PS5 setup, but will definitely getting this when it comes out in my country. Great review Chris!
I’m getting the c2 to replace my current tv and won’t get a 27 in I’m good with my gp950
Top quality content once more Chris! Playing more from monitor these days?
Thanks! I'm split between the two now. I'll play games like GoW on the TV still, then FPS on the monitor.
2023 OLED!
I wish this came in a 32" version. I find that to be the perfect monitor size for me.
27inch is the way to go😉
You never know, we could see one later this year. But I'd imagine that'll be 2024.
Beautiful display even at 1440p
2023 oled love all of your videos they just make my day
Thanks for the support 🙏
hmmm since it has HDMI 2.1. does vrr work on the ps5 despite the 1440p resolution?
Banger alert!
I'm waiting for the Asus one which uses the very same panel. The benefit of the Asus one is the heatsink behind the display itself, which may make burn-in less of a concern as the heatsink will cool static things on the image.
Reliability of asus is concerning though. And they are always delays to releases so you maybe waiting pretty long
@@bootyandbrawns4338 I can wait. I just want a PC Monitor with the LG Display OLED panel which includes a heatsink. Other vendors might provide that as well in the future, who knows.
@@bootyandbrawns4338 Asus is supposed to have a brighter display as well.
Amazing review!
Wanted to ask should I consider this over the LG GP950 or any other 4K monitor
Just when I was thinking of buying a 4K Monitor,this launched,
I specifically am asking this for PS5 and I only play Call of Duty and Warzone!
Plus would you prefer this over the GP 950 for FPS games?.OLED 2023.
What did you go for
Very solid review
Much appreciated!
Man LG is killing it!!
any comments on how clear text is on a windows machine? i hear Oled can struggle with displaying clear text. thanks for the video
Edit: just noticed the comment you made but looks like that was a Mac. would it be any different to Windows?
also is this available in the UK yet
It was also a comment for like 3 inches away.
Why they don’t do a 4k oled 27” or 32”? I am satisfied with just 144 instead of 240 on a 4k
Agree, 27inch 4k 144hz glossy OLED ❤️
Because they need to drip feed new technology to make yearling earning increases.
@@ethanwillingham8716 ok I can agree, however the market is already full of 1440p monitors. with new consoles there are more people playing 4k.
It’s due on how we create Oled panels and the limitation of it. For the short answer It’s hard to make oled smaller. There is a reason we are now getting oled monitor and it’s due to the new Mother sheet Oled which is the smallest we got it.
Before you asked no Aoled is different and that tech issue is that it’s hard to make it larger lol.
Exactly I just want a 4K OLED monitor. I use it at my desk and I don’t want to go blind with a 48 inch TV
Your video clarity is ultimate 💕✝️✅
Hi Spawn, Can you do an update vlog on 'starting youtube/cool camera tricks/angles for filming' for social media newbies.
This is awesome. Would love a 32"
Same, 27 isn't tall enough for me
Just ordered this bad boy
Great video dude!! Quick question if I may, can it be vesa mounted?
Hopefully they release the glossy version as well so we can get an alternative for the matte version.
hey what are the benifits of glossy? does it blend in well better than matte?
@@wowitsruss You'll see a lot better black contrasts as well as the colours are crisp and clear. With a matte finish blacks appear more greyish if there's even slightly light hitting the panel and the colours are not as crisp as well. With glossy panel you'll see reflections yes, but if you use the oled panel like it's meant to, in a low lit room, that won't be a problem.
I have this on preorder! Hard to tell from the video, but hoping the anti-glare coating isn’t too bad. LG’s seem to have a different/thicker coating than the Asus’. Going to give this a try.
Are you based in the UK? I would like to pre order to.
@@Buxtonchappy1 same but can’t find anything about UK Pre orders
Congrats, I really wish that, but for me, 999 dollars are too expensive, that should be reduced to half to make me buy, my country has lots of taxes
Great review ! What's the desk you're using here ?
Got TheRelaxingEnd gloves, I see! Great review! I think when I finally get an OLED display, I'll be disappointed with anything else, so I'll be holding off for now 😆
Can VRR work on PS5 with 1440p? I thought it only was possible with 4K and 1080p
Since it’s a HDMI 2.1 it should support VRR at 1440p 120hz on the ps5
Matte screen is a huge deal breaker. I'd rather get a lg c2 42 inch for the same price or cheaper
Why? Matte screens are very pleasant and comfortable to the eyes.
@lgquelhas matte screens dont have that extra crisp that glossy panels have. I'd argue you're essentially nerfing the the panel by making it matte. When the last time you've seen a matte finish on a phone? Glossy is the way to go
@@lgquelhas If you feel that way why not just use a software filter (even built-in filters) or wear glasses?
This
2023 OLED. This is definitely on my list when I upgrade my current monitors!
That remote looks clean. I wish the C2 remote looked like that.
A bloody amazing monitor. I can see this panel being popular among gamers.
I totally agree!
the anti glare screen will make look everything shitty unfortunately
@@SonGoku544 Not at all. Matte screens are very pleasant and comfortable to the eyes.
@@lgquelhas lol good joke, if you like that blurry look maybe, i prefer an crisp and clear image
It looks and sounds like an amazing monitor, but the lack of 4K does have me skeptical. I’ll probably come off of that hangup when I’m looking for a monitor for my future setup. Awesome video!
you dont need 4k on 27 inch
@@csch92 very fair point. I don’t have any experience with monitors made strictly for gaming, so this would probably be the perfect one for me. Probably wouldn’t even notice 1440p, especially for FPS
@@iAmJACpot as a monitor, 1440p blows on a 27". A lot of people with their shit eye sight are going to disagree with me on this, but the ppi on a 1440p 27" isn't there
@@longebane only if you sit 1 foot away from your monitor. At a reasonable distance that shouldn't be a problem.
pffft, 4k is overrated
That is a nice little setup my man I don't have a monitor but I actually just purchase a 65in LG OLED and I play my Xbox series X & PS5 and it is definitely a sight to see
I watched this when it first came out and I was able to cop it today at 40% off msrp, super hype to get it, awesome review
If it was 4k this will be the best monitor in the life
Very cool monitor, would love to try it out but i feel that the 240HZ are kind of "wasted" on a console, it is more of a PC product if i could categorize it, it looks cool though. Also, i think the PS5 dosen't support VRR for 1440p resolution (right now at least) so only a series X/S could really take advantage of it.
PS5 does support VRR now btw. They made it capable on a recent update.
@@cyril6164 i know it does in 1080p and 4k resolution but not in 1440p.
@@Th3FairyLaw isnt that because every 1440p released to this day had hdmi 2.0 at best?
@@TheOctopus6991 I just bought Gigabye FI320Q-X 32" 1440P 270 Hz, DP 1.4, HDMI 2.1 x2 and built in KVM (KVM is why I bought it). Pretty good but not great monitor (coming from a 42' LG C2 that was amazing but just to big).
@@TheOctopus6991 i don't i know, i just googled and it said that VRR isn't supported on PS5 for 1440p. You can play games on 120 fps though with HDMI 2.0 using a 1440p monitor, you only need HDMI 2.1 for 4k 120fps. Also 1080p supports VRR and doesnt need HDMI 2.1
yess lets go omg Best review ever Ima get one omg yesssssss
haha thanks
I just bought the LG 48" 4kOLED gaming monitor. Didnt get it delivered yet. Hope it will be good 🥶🥳
I've had mine for like a week and... It's *almost* perfect, inky blacks, no blooming, beautiful colors, the gaming experience, movies (sometimes when I get stressed in my office lol), I like the little remote... But no 4k display really is a bummer😔 It's not that big of a deal tbh but just knowing that this would be the perfect monitor if it had a 4k display and a thunderbolt port just feels like when you step on gum while walking and it's on your mind every step you take lol but nonetheless, I don't see myself changing monitors in the near future. I have the XDR Display and I enjoy this one way more (and it was cheaper hehe)
you dont need 4k in a 27" monitor
lol stepping on gum! I get what you mean about the lack of 4K, but the clarity 'almost' makes up for it. It's sharp and I too won't be swapping this (long term) for a while. I might review others, but this is the one for me.
@@Speedy94uru And I don't need a 2 story house. I don't need 2 monitors. I don't need my PS5 or my xbox lmao this is about *wanting* a better experience, there *is* a difference, just not a big one🤷🏻♂️ But, I still want it.
@@SpawnPoiint Yup, the clarity is amazing. Great quality👌🏻 And same, actually I think I'll just take this one home lol and keep testing whatever comes out in the future for my office. LG has my heart rn tbh.
@@SpawnPoiint Thanks for the review! I am really torn between LG32GQ950 and this one, I want to downsize from LGC1 it is too big and text is not clear as I would like it to be. Watched your review of LG32GQ950 and I really like it but it is a trade off that I am not sure I am willing to make. I really like 4k and 32 is nice size for it, dunno first world problems. :D 2023 OLED :D
I don't understand why they decided on a matte finish. That's a bust for me. Once I went glossy, I can't go back. The picture quality is just so pristine. Almost perfect monitor =/
Agreed. With the high brightness who needs a matte screen? Give us a glossy screen instead for OLED or at least give us a choice.
The endgame OLED for me tho is a 32" 4K 240Hz monitor. In the meantime I would even take 120Hz. 27" is nice if you sit closer or have younger eyes but I now need 32" hehe. I do admit that 27" would fit my current setup better but I could always buy a bigger desk right? 😃 Plus I actually sit further away from my desk as I use a keyboard tray.
Its because oled get less bright than traditional LED. Only QOLED comes close
@@iknowmyname7 OLED's average is 600 nits. Phillips is planning a 1000 nit OLED TV. That is very good for handling reflections and combine that with the fact that the PC environment is more flexible with window shutters/shades, movability. The problem is many companies are starting to release OLED monitors at 250-350 nits. That is simply not enough and there are more revolutionary changes happening in the TV market vs monitor.
I love how this monitor has optic sound for my A50s
I have the 45" curved on the way. I have the 48" LG OLED. 2023 OLED looking good!!
I buy this for my PS5!!🔥🔥
Has this Monitor ALLM for Consoles ?
@@fastlap8344 My question too, would also like to know:)
I can't believe they are ruining these beautiful oled monitors with antiglare, at least make it an optional thing
Would be nice to see a glossy screen next time.
Great review! Is it available in the UK?
I’ve got the 27 inch MSI gaming monitor but I want this one… looks fantastic
Nice, really nice. But 4k 120 oled @32" is what we need.
No 27inch!
2023 OLED! As expected, this looks stunning. Even though I agree that 1440P at this size is perfectly fine (and the fact you’re only really gonna be playing CoD on it), I do feel that the lack of 4K will put a lot of people off.
Myself included if I’m honest. I was gonna opt for this over the 32GQ950 but as you know, I’ve wanted to go back to 32” for some time now, especially after trying yours out. When a 4K 32” OLED becomes available, I’ll be all over it 110%
What put me off is mainly the SDR brightness. Resolution is fine for the size.
@@xtrmlvr SDR brightness is fine
Been waiting on this one 😮💨, I can’t wait to play apex and cod on it. Especially that I’m coming from a 240 1080p monitor. Hopefully you get to review the Asus endgame too spawn.
Thanks for covering console gaming with your review. Thought the no 4k 120hz+ option for PS5/XBOX Series X would be a deal breaker but i guess not. Currently have the LG 27UK850 which is locked at 4k 60hz.
If they can make this at 32" 4K and still retain the 240Hz refresh rate and all the other gaming features + glossy coating... then I'll pre-order...
No reason for me right now to upgrade since I currently own an Odyssey Neo G8 which is still really good for gaming.
I also own a 77" LG C2 OLED TV and the glossy coating just looks much better on OLEDs...