10 Best Ways to Start Your Fantasy Novel

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  • @Jed_Herne
    @Jed_Herne  2 місяці тому +39

    If you want to write a first chapter that instantly hooks fantasy readers, check out my First Chapter Mastery course: bit.ly/1st-chapter-course
    Here's what one student said about the program:
    "I started writing 20 years ago, but never stuck with any project I began. A year ago, I discovered Jed’s UA-cam channel and since then I’ve been learning so much about writing. When I began writing my first novel, I didn’t like how my first chapter ended, so when I saw you had this masterclass in writing first chapters; I jumped into it immediately, and I am so glad I did. Every single lesson in this course has incredible value and I know that from now on, I will always rewatch it whenever I start a new book because I now know how to write an excellent first chapter." - Hector Elias

    • @albinoreaper2949
      @albinoreaper2949 2 місяці тому +1

      Hi! I’m very new to publishing, but not writing. So far I’ve written all of my (non published) works on Google docs, but I’ve been wanting to switch it up. What was the program the man at 16:22 was using?

    • @AlexanderAshcroft
      @AlexanderAshcroft 2 місяці тому

      If your writing a Horror Novel; making the characters likeable is a better move.

    • @LDillon
      @LDillon Місяць тому

      @@albinoreaper2949 I could be wrong, but it looks like it's just the Mac version of Microsoft Word.

  • @ElaaraWylder
    @ElaaraWylder 2 місяці тому +182

    Love the phrase "put me in the passenger seat when the motor is already running" . Instantly creates a picture of where some readers are looking for a novel to kick off. Some great responses to the survey!

    • @Xobik1
      @Xobik1 Місяць тому +3

      The Blade Itself starts with Logen Ninefingers fighting to survive. No magic, no villain. But setting the north, action, tension, blood, promise of a story with gore action and, finnaly, a hook with (SPOILERS ALERT) a fall. For me it's the best 1s chapter / prologue of a story.

  • @TheOtherSteel
    @TheOtherSteel 2 місяці тому +166

    "Start in the middle of the story, in media res, but not in the middle of a scene."
    -- Damon Knight, author, editor

    • @lionheartpublishing5653
      @lionheartpublishing5653 2 місяці тому +6

      Or redefine what the middle is: star wars standalone to star wars episode IV 1977 😋

    • @Alejandroigarabide
      @Alejandroigarabide 2 місяці тому +9

      That's a bit overrated. It works in certain stories but not in others.

    • @Ammiad
      @Ammiad 2 місяці тому +3

      A great example of something similar is megamind, if you've watched it you should already know what im talking about, and if you haven't then you should

    • @wilsonwilson7607
      @wilsonwilson7607 Місяць тому +1

      Medias

    • @certifiedretart161
      @certifiedretart161 Місяць тому

      Ah, the Quentin tarantino method.

  • @TheDoomKnight
    @TheDoomKnight 2 місяці тому +109

    Jed, I would like to thank you for your videos. Because of all your advice (and another UA-cam author), I have officially become a published author myself. So thank you for all your help! I always do my best to provide advice to other aspiring writers, and point them to your videos as well. Keep up the great work!

    • @NiteOwl2000
      @NiteOwl2000 2 місяці тому +11

      Congrats! That’s a huge accomplishment and I’m happy for you! What’s your story about?

    • @TheZetaKai
      @TheZetaKai 2 місяці тому +6

      Congratulations, well done. Who is the other UA-camr who inspired you, and what's the name of your novel?

    • @TheDoomKnight
      @TheDoomKnight 2 місяці тому +8

      @@TheZetaKai The published work is a short story named Dark Angel in the anthology The Super Generation. My novel that I am trying to get published is The Doom Knight.
      The other UA-camr is The Critical Drinker.

    • @andrewteichroeb8886
      @andrewteichroeb8886 2 місяці тому +5

      Me too. Did you self publish or go through a publisher?

    • @TheDoomKnight
      @TheDoomKnight 2 місяці тому +6

      @@andrewteichroeb8886 It was a short story through a publisher.

  • @ZedMagnet
    @ZedMagnet 2 місяці тому +95

    I know people who dislike prologues so much that they flat out REFUSE to read them. There's a lot of hate out there for prologues and a lot of the advice novice writers get is "don't do a prologue". I always read them - you won't know if it's trash or pertinent to the understanding of the main story unless you read it. lol

    • @DauraTHEEXPLORA
      @DauraTHEEXPLORA 2 місяці тому +3

      Same here

    • @ChaseCrow-e6b
      @ChaseCrow-e6b Місяць тому +9

      I personally love a prologue

    • @PeachKnot
      @PeachKnot Місяць тому

      I tend to read the story, then come back and read the prologue

    • @Xobik1
      @Xobik1 Місяць тому +3

      The prologue and the epilogue can be used to create drama and stakes, a promise to be fulfilled in the final act or something so simple as scene with the Big Villain succeeding in some thing.

    • @justwonder1404
      @justwonder1404 Місяць тому +3

      I remember once reading a book where a prologue didn't make much sense until well into the story, where it gave some important context. I don't understand this hate toward prologues, they're usually aren't even that long.

  • @dragondude7165
    @dragondude7165 2 місяці тому +11

    I've written many different openings over a few years. All the same world, but I'm still new.
    I've been a writer of little bite-sized stories for a little bit. I'm intending to begin writing a full novel and your videos have been quite noteworthy.
    Largely appreciated and I'll probably have to attempt to get in on one of these workshops and such.

  • @weismanwriter9426
    @weismanwriter9426 2 місяці тому +781

    The real answer to the question is to stop watching this video and actually write lol

    • @quantum7046
      @quantum7046 2 місяці тому +104

      _i feel attacked_ . You're right tho

    • @jhonroleda1050
      @jhonroleda1050 2 місяці тому +17

      ​@@quantum7046 hahaha couldn't agree moree.. lol😅

    • @-a-MinhDuyNguyen
      @-a-MinhDuyNguyen 2 місяці тому +7

      True lmao :)

    • @JR-gh5gc
      @JR-gh5gc 2 місяці тому +7

      lol wise words

    • @quandaIedingIe
      @quandaIedingIe 2 місяці тому +16

      I come here when I need ideas because sometimes my brain goes empty trying to think of an idea

  • @lalaladybird
    @lalaladybird 2 місяці тому +36

    I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video. It gave me an idea for a bit of a strange prologue.
    It is the sacred texts of how my world begins, and I mean the VERY beginning. With a blurb and everything, it looks like referenced documents from within the world (and even a part of the text that is often excluded from it) and I LOVE it.
    I had written it MONTHS ago as a world building idea generating thing but never planned to actually use it for anything. But it basically sets up everything my main character is going to deal with, and who my main character is and UGH thank you thank you thank you
    Sorry for the rambling, I am simply very excited to finally feel so good about the beginning of this story.

    • @Salsa4268
      @Salsa4268 2 місяці тому +3

      This sounds like a fun premise!!! I love reading when things click for people, hopefully that happens for me too, the beginning of my story is still making me struggle 🥲

    • @lalaladybird
      @lalaladybird 2 місяці тому

      @@Salsa4268 Thank you! I hope you can figure it out too! I also struggle with the beginning, and then I end up getting too caught up in it to really make any progress. I wish you all the luck!!! 🙏🏼

    • @gooseguyfilms4460
      @gooseguyfilms4460 Місяць тому +2

      That’s awesome! I love when stories actually have history and are important parts of the narrative. My prologue is very similar; my book is an in universe historical novel written by the son of the main character, so the prologue is essentially an authors note detailing pieces of history the reader should already know that he doesn’t have time to explain in the story. Essentially it sets up the “common knowledge”the reader needs.

  • @tamd5670
    @tamd5670 2 місяці тому +29

    I’m not really a fan of magic systems with tons of limitations and hard rules. It stops feeling like magic. I’m probably on my own for this, but I prefer magic to be limited only by what the characters moral compass or what they specifically are capable of. And what their limits are, as well as how those limits can be manipulated to have a greater affect than his limits would suggest

    • @anthonywritesfantasy
      @anthonywritesfantasy 2 місяці тому +2

      Me too! What are some of your favorite moments of magic?

    • @jasminv8653
      @jasminv8653 2 місяці тому +6

      Same! A more folklore-esque, softer magic is much more interesting to me than what amounts to super powers at the end of the day.

    • @Yattayatta
      @Yattayatta Місяць тому +3

      I'd love to be of that mind, but it always creates such massive plotholes that I have to give up on the story. I can't stand characters that are too stupid to realize their "rewind time by 15 minutes" magic could be used to save every single bad thing in the book.

  • @Stormingblue-r2z
    @Stormingblue-r2z 2 місяці тому +14

    Hi there I just started writing my first novel and I am really happy that I saw this now. And I believe that my first chapters have greatly improved after this. Just a thank you from a 14yr old that got help in a competitive world.

  • @novantha1
    @novantha1 2 місяці тому +34

    “As you know, XYZ”
    “Wait what? I was supposed to know that? Oh shit”
    “…”
    lol

  • @joeystett
    @joeystett 2 місяці тому +11

    I typically never reread stuff, but I started rereading stormlight to get ready for the newest book. There's so much there that I didn't even realize I forgot or didn't absorb the first time. Great video dude.

    • @reidchikezie1161
      @reidchikezie1161 2 місяці тому +2

      Real. Started Way of Kings and it feels like a new book to me.

    • @Jed_Herne
      @Jed_Herne  2 місяці тому +2

      It's wild how many hidden details it has

  • @wavetactics13
    @wavetactics13 2 місяці тому +11

    This and its companion video have been helpful for ironing out some kinks in two stories I'm writing. Thank you.

  • @scribble9431
    @scribble9431 2 місяці тому +13

    Wow, I always start my stories with the antagonist, but I never knew it would resonate so much with readers. As an avid reader myself, I find it compelling and thrilling when the main villain opens the story, setting the stage for the other characters early on, which often keeps me on the edge. One example I find intriguing is the horror genre, where stories often begin by showing how the villain became so evil or they just randomly kill somebody. But of course, they aren’t just the villain; they’re the star of the show. Subconsciously, we know that ghosts and killers are dangerous, so the suspense is always there. I’m currently writing my new fantasy novel based on this idea-though it’s not horror, the essence is there. :)

  • @angelhurtado55
    @angelhurtado55 2 місяці тому +12

    PROLOGUES FOR LIFE!!!!!

  • @krimzonx
    @krimzonx 2 місяці тому +18

    Hey man! I just wanna let you know that your channel re-sparks the joy I have with writing novel. I used to hate my writing so much I don't want to continue. But now, after watching your videos along with other writing related channels, I now understand where did I go wrong and kickstart me to re-write what I've left off. Thank you so much for being the essential part of my journey to become a better writer!
    A lot of love from Thailand!

  • @ayemc84
    @ayemc84 2 місяці тому +24

    I love the start of the Percy Jackson series because the way that the protagonist talks directly to you in the first page, talking about how he didn't wanted to be a half blood, how you should drop the book if you think you could be like him, and talking you about his weird school life, refering to himself as a "problem kid". I thinks this is great because:
    ✓It builds intrigue and suspense by giving the reader an small amout of info and wanting them with interest about what the heck is Percy talking about
    ✓It sets one of the main topics of the character building and development
    ✓It presents us the "normal" life of the main character, whicth is the start of the "hero's path" structure
    ✓it give us something interesing to then drop directly to the accion where the story starts
    ✓It conects perfectly with the end of the first series

  • @forgiven36511
    @forgiven36511 Місяць тому +6

    ... It's also amusing that arguably the best fantasy series ever written, starts "In a hole in the ground"... Be your own writer. Take in all the advice. Keep what you can use and put the rest on the shelf, it may come in handy at a later date

  • @JuliePokorná-w9v
    @JuliePokorná-w9v 2 місяці тому +9

    This video is amazing. I strugled to decide how to start my story for a long time and the idea to start with the villain actually fits perfectly into my story. Thank you so much for helping me get unstuck, because now I can finally go back to writing.

  • @samreilly6602
    @samreilly6602 2 місяці тому +6

    Mine starts with the mc briefly reflecting on a high stakes job he just completed while he prepares for another one. Him planning and considering outcomes helps set the scene/worldbuild a bit and you get into his head instantly. I feel like KNOWING something important is about to happen is a decent hook too. In the process, an unexpected chain of events occur that really set the story on track, hopefully keeping the reader invested through unpredictability/mystery.
    Edit: after posting i realised literally everyone posted theirs too, so on the off chance you read this, hope it gave you some ideas

  • @monh.pr0
    @monh.pr0 2 місяці тому +10

    Literally what i needed most

  • @harventure
    @harventure Місяць тому +1

    3:16 This really worked for me as a prologue, my antagonist's backstory fits perfectly as it shows what might come out of the story (themes, plots, settings) and it reveals the "Villain" as well as its goals and motives! Just wanna say thank you so much for making this vid that gave me this idea! (If u even read comments...)

  • @mistermograph
    @mistermograph Місяць тому +1

    D&D world builder here! As per the advice of GM guru Matt Colville, #9 is a legit way to start a story.
    Introduce the villain/antagonist while the main character(s) are unable to do anything about them. I've done this for my campaigns and it works every time. It gives focus, creates intrigue and gives the main cast a potential sense of drive.

  • @arkemiffo
    @arkemiffo 2 місяці тому +4

    At some point in my life I'm going to sit down and start typing out the story I have in my head. The only problem though is that it has changed and morphed so many times listening to you.
    For once I feel that what I have in my head is what you described under a few points here anyway, so I think I'm getting closer. :)

  • @carlosdeandres4774
    @carlosdeandres4774 Місяць тому +2

    Hi! I know it isn't that related to this video but I wanted to ask for two videos that could be REALLY healfull.
    1. A video about fantasy worlds where magic is present almost constantly/is extremely common but not a main point in the story (like, it's "mechanics/characteristics" being less relevant than thry usually would)
    2. A video about fantasy races/species writing

  • @xaviercarmona4439
    @xaviercarmona4439 2 місяці тому +3

    Rewriting my first chapter as we speak so I am SO GLAD this came out today! Good looks Jed!

  • @houseaccount3293
    @houseaccount3293 2 місяці тому +3

    This was the perfect video for me to see today, as I have been debating writing a new first and second chapter of my book where I start off with the antagonist not my main character. I think I am going to start that today now.

  • @plasmiusphantom
    @plasmiusphantom 2 місяці тому +8

    The first 3 prologues in "A Song of Ice and Fire" introduce magic and antagonists (all 5, actually). They're all awesome, though I think the first prologue is some of the tightest writing I've seen.

    • @plasmiusphantom
      @plasmiusphantom 2 місяці тому +2

      There is also heavy foreshadowing in these prologues.

    • @plasmiusphantom
      @plasmiusphantom 2 місяці тому

      That first prologue sets archetypes that appear throughout the epic, on all sides of the conflict.

    • @anthonywritesfantasy
      @anthonywritesfantasy 2 місяці тому +1

      The Varamyr chapter is insanely good.

  • @RampidWarthogStudios
    @RampidWarthogStudios 2 місяці тому +3

    I always get pumped after your videos. But when I sit down to write I'm always exhausted from work or my mind is completely blank. I'm trying to find a way to keep that fire without getting discouraged immediately when I sit down

  • @MitchT97
    @MitchT97 2 місяці тому +1

    I may have a few new books to add to my reading list now. I have had a story idea on my mind for a while and getting started has been difficult creating a strong hook. So thank you for the tutorials it gives me just a bit of confidence I can make something worth someone’s time!
    Also the part about starting in the middle of the action made my mind immediately go to a scene of yelling and chasing followed by a freeze frame “You’re probably wondering how I got here”.

  • @josephrowlee
    @josephrowlee 2 місяці тому +4

    Very nice!
    I have to say I'd still rather give more time to get to know the MC before everything goes crazy. See who they are, what their life is like, THEN something happens now that we know the MC and what they want/care about.

  • @bxrdo650
    @bxrdo650 2 місяці тому +1

    Can you perhaps create a video explaining how to pace a multiple book series? Or even just books with multiple arcs?
    Also, a video explaining how to layer a book with multiple character’s storylines.

  • @perlanera3402
    @perlanera3402 Місяць тому +1

    Congratulations for the 100,000 subscribers Jed!!! 🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉

  • @eyeamthei1801
    @eyeamthei1801 2 місяці тому +2

    You gave me a bit of confidence in my first chapter when you said "if it is a novel with a lot of dialoge between the characters, then I probably want an opening which has a lot of dialoge in it".
    I never heard this advice before and I kinda worried about my first chapter which is basically my protag talking about bussiness [and recent events in the world] with his druglord friend while getting high in a shady cellar of a tavern. My protagonist is kinda weak, so he mostly solves the issues with talking [or with some clever tactics at best]. So the whole novel is really heavy on dialoges.

  • @fatimarizvi8401
    @fatimarizvi8401 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for adding my response ❤
    20:26

  • @mirafeder7992
    @mirafeder7992 9 днів тому +1

    To "As you know" dialogue... I like to twist it. begin with establishing a well-known fact, just to dive deeper into specialized knowledge not everyone has. "You might know, that the king of Sherben still hasn't an heir... but did you hear of the rumor that he might be fully unable to sire one?" It gives well-known lore to the reader, without coming across as the usual "spouting the obvious" that the trope often feels like.

  • @GenLiu
    @GenLiu 2 місяці тому +1

    Reacting to the Prologue coming up in both the best and worst way to start a novel: it's interesting to see that, at the end of the day, it all boils down to the author's skills.
    For example, I personally love when a book introduces some form of mystery in its early setting, but it's very easy for a writer to get carried away and not deliver with the solution of said mystery, either by giving an unsatisfying one or not addressing it at all (and yes, for those who thought of the TV Show Lost, that's precisely the example I had in mind).
    Likewise, starting with action or dialogue can be incredibly gripping if done well, but it can also get boring if the action/dialogue is too confusing or simply too devoid of tension/conflict.
    Knowing how to create an interesting story or three-dimensional characters is far more important than imagining a good set up for a scene, imo. Once you've gotten this knowledge, you can basically start your story the way you want.

  • @KutWrite
    @KutWrite 2 місяці тому +3

    I like starting with the antag. In my upcoming sci-fi novel, "World in Exile," a current-day archaeologist finds a distress message from the future sent by the protag, who's been kidnapped by Big Ruby's motley men to torture him.
    A corollary to your "As you know, Bob..." device is the "Had he/she/I but known..."

  • @emmanuellopez9226
    @emmanuellopez9226 Місяць тому

    I'm making a book; and this video has been a great help, Thanks

  • @rogeralix-gaudreau2401
    @rogeralix-gaudreau2401 2 місяці тому +1

    By my reckoning, my WIP has 1,2,3,4,7,8,9, and 10. :-) Great list! Thanks for this. It's interesting to note the tension within the Fantasy readership about prologues and starting with action.

  • @m.j.johnsonbooks7856
    @m.j.johnsonbooks7856 2 місяці тому +1

    Less than 2k from 100,000. Let’s Gooooo!

  • @Bloobz
    @Bloobz 2 місяці тому +22

    "As you know" Dialogues are great, you use that A LOT in real life when you explain something to someone. But you need it to convey an additional information after that.
    "As you know the Evil Magician live in the tower to the North and we should avoid it... And that why we will go there because nobody will expect us to be hidden over there."
    "As you know water boils at 100°C. But if the pression of atmosphere is lower, the boiling point will be lower"

  • @mbdzel
    @mbdzel Місяць тому

    My favorite book opening is.. "The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault." Jim Butcher. Dresden files, Blood rites.

  • @NiteOwl2000
    @NiteOwl2000 2 місяці тому

    It’s like the perfect video to listen to while I start my day at the gym just fell into my lap. Thanks 👍

  • @benparrish672
    @benparrish672 2 місяці тому +3

    In The Norseman Saga Caelan Erikson is bestowed powers/abilities & becomes Heaven's Procurer. Caelan Erikson wields the Hell-Forged Spear & Glacius Axe & Trinity Shield while trying to procure Divine/Unholy weapons before The Fallen can tip the scales to Darkness

  • @artsveiman7776
    @artsveiman7776 2 місяці тому +1

    In the Fellowship of the rings movies, Peter Jackson introduces the villain, the threat he is capable of, and how he was defeated, but also the threat and effect of being the ring bearer, thus providing the set up for what the heroes will have to do to defeat Sauron and the challenges they will face.

  • @guillaumejoly6469
    @guillaumejoly6469 28 днів тому

    Thank you Jed!

  • @morganblanks4134
    @morganblanks4134 2 місяці тому +1

    Always appreciate your videos, thank you!

  • @MichaelCaswell-q5w
    @MichaelCaswell-q5w 2 місяці тому

    Considering I was just going start writing tonight, this was highly convenient

  • @vongolafamiglia3233
    @vongolafamiglia3233 Місяць тому

    I like the number 1 suggestion. My first book, Beast of the Bronx, is a slow start but picks up by Chapter 9. I want to change that in my next book and bring the reader in by introducing the main villian and starting with a massacre (all in Chapter 1).

  • @t.b.cont.
    @t.b.cont. Місяць тому

    The best thing to start a story with is what you want the reader to see first. Whatever that is, whatever you want the hook or interest to be, it should be something you want to show that sets up expectations that you plan to promise in on or subvert later. This applies to every single one of the things listed in this video

  • @tearstoneactual9773
    @tearstoneactual9773 2 місяці тому

    Thank you, Jed.
    I recently started a cyberpunk story with a detective parked outside of a club, waiting, but already a feeling of something off in the air. Then two cars pull up and dump 8 gang members out, who open up on the club in a hail of automatic weapons fire. Detective responds, of course, down ing a few and getting a kid out of there was wrong place wrong time. Bots show up as backup, and they take one into custody, and the last two escape.
    At first this seems like a random setup, but in truth, it's connected to another mystery that's about to kick off, both attached to the main thriller plot of the story. You have mystery, you have action but not just for action's sake. It characterizes the character, but also there's some Save the Cat in there. I think it's doing a lot of things right, especailly after watching this video.

  • @scottcrysel
    @scottcrysel 2 місяці тому

    Love the vids! Tons of great content to fuel my writing hobby

  • @leoleuchtkanonelinus1374
    @leoleuchtkanonelinus1374 2 місяці тому +1

    I value the consideration of "information and lack of it" greatly. For me at least it helps a lot with creating conflict in a fantasy setting without always having to pull out magic, rather how the characters perceive upcomming or past events, and their part in them, or how they see it from third perspective. When characterizing a character, I imagine stepping in their shoes, imagining the feelings they feel, the worldview they have, and the experience they gain and won. As planned, In my story, first act, episode 1, two of the most important brother characters die because of their curse being shared wounds. Their death shows the conflict they have after death, since they are super powerful primordial beings who shape the events of the story. Where do I go with all this? Well, the two witness their deaths differently, therefore later on, one of the two doesn't even know the other is alive, even being fully confinced he didn't get revived like himself. Only this little detail of lack of information changes their entire conflict.
    In my story, where there are a lot of characters, "villains/antiheros" you could consider "sympathetic villains", which have been overdone since a decade with minor meaningful ones. For these types, it is most important to me to give the viewer a sense of understanding the character's mind, their mental dilemma. It is much more powerful to me that one character being fully confinced that killing thousands of men out of cult reaons, in order to get to the boss to kill him is okay because it's for the future of people's lives, without remotely realising what monster he became himself, as to Steven Universe "It's okay she says she's sorry".

  • @gernottiefenbrunner172
    @gernottiefenbrunner172 2 місяці тому +19

    "your main character needs to be interesting, not likeable"
    I mean, in principle, yes, but in practice your mc usually does need to be likeable. Not morally good necessarily, but likeable.

    • @Foxferine
      @Foxferine 2 місяці тому +2

      I know you have said "usually" so this is a slightly unusual example. "Clockwork Orange" is fiction, not fantasy, but it tells the story of a mc who is morally wrong in everything and you hate them entirely as you start reading. You are forced to be with the mc for chapters but keep reading to get to his demise.

  • @MysteryRoseWriter
    @MysteryRoseWriter 2 місяці тому

    I love these survey videos so much! Ther are insanely helpful!❤

  • @AuthorHoshiChan
    @AuthorHoshiChan 2 місяці тому

    One of my favorite Amazon novels is Salvos, and it starts with the antagonist and then shifts into an interesting idea of a demon larvea needing ro survive in a desolate land filled with hostile entities.
    It is the series that inspired me to write.

  • @aurthurpendragon1015
    @aurthurpendragon1015 2 місяці тому +2

    I think the reason so many people say that characters need to be likeable is because there's a more specific piece of advise that I've heard before which is that characters need to eb relatable, and it's pretty difficult to relate to unlikeable characters.

  • @giovannijacobs4496
    @giovannijacobs4496 Місяць тому

    I actually like slow beginnings so I can get to know the characters, so when going gets tough i can root for them because i know them.

  • @AmarothEng
    @AmarothEng 23 дні тому

    I find it funny how many of these boxes the Way of Kings prologue mess ticks. And boy, did I love to read through that mess. Btw, try to read the prologue from the past in this book after finishing each of the Stormlight Archive books. That's how you get to see the progress you as a reader make in between the books.

  • @SteelRainz1
    @SteelRainz1 2 місяці тому

    In the Crystal Shard by RA Salvatore, he also starts with the antagonist murdering his mentor. Really good opening.

  • @cst.9552
    @cst.9552 11 годин тому

    I don't know if it's good or bad that if I have 7.5/10 of these and arguably I do the other 2 as well. The .5 is for "Introduce the main character" as the prologue deals with the villain talking to one of their underlings about the birth of one of the two POV characters - since that POV character was just born and is the "chosen one" and such.

  • @josiahkeroff9965
    @josiahkeroff9965 2 місяці тому +1

    I struggle with this with one of my books, because the magic system is overall unknown to all except to the main villain.

  • @the.aaronscottbrown
    @the.aaronscottbrown Місяць тому

    You should do an editing our first chapters video!

  • @heatherkline6766
    @heatherkline6766 2 місяці тому

    I have possibly said this before, but one story I am working on begins with a miniature version. I reveal some key assumptions that are part of the protagonist's worldview, set up motivations for one antagonist going forward, and highlight changes that will likely take place in the book.
    And as Jed mentioned I do not have the main character win; in fact, they have a moment where the plot armor is quite thin. The resolution of this also gives a hint at the final conclusion.
    A story example of giving prologue that does not occur at the same time as your story but gives context and important information is Green Ember by S. D. Smith. In the last or second-to-last book, there is a prologue which features the creation of the place of the dragons and then toward the end of the middle of the book two characters end up in with these dragons. LOVE the payoff.

  • @AnyaC.Rawlins-vz3dl
    @AnyaC.Rawlins-vz3dl Місяць тому

    A replacement for the “As you know” dialogue is “Just so you know” dialogue. With the latter, there is a character learning with the reader about something that isn’t common knowledge. We’re treated as students, not idiots. 19:37

  • @dravenloki9287
    @dravenloki9287 2 місяці тому

    Eragon also started off with the Villian pov, with Durza and the urgals, ambushing Arya

  • @ts25679
    @ts25679 2 місяці тому +2

    With the volcano example, I just want to write a story where the volcano looms in the back of the readers mind just enough not to be forgotten, just so I can have ot explode at the end once the plot has resolved...

  • @PAWNB3YOND
    @PAWNB3YOND 2 місяці тому

    Jed, I'd love to see your takes on Portal Fantasy. I've noticed you hardly talk about it.

  • @filipgaecki5480
    @filipgaecki5480 2 місяці тому +4

    I started my novel in a very.....unconventional way. I began with merging 3 things. Introducing the main character,mystery and something people hate which is a dream sequence. Why? Becouse I wanted to play with the formula.
    In that dream MC hears a voice. But as he is about to uncover it's source....he wakes up. The plot twist is that the voice he heard is a voice he hears all the time inside his own head since he was born. Everything in that dream? It's real. But introduced in a dream sequence. It sets up the MC,adds mystery (what is that voice? What is it's source? What does it want? Why?) and all of that is done in a dream sequence.

  • @alexeinuville2555
    @alexeinuville2555 2 місяці тому

    This is validating,. I'm doing freaking aaawesoooooooome!!!!!!!!!!

  • @NorisSpecter
    @NorisSpecter 2 місяці тому

    I prefer the first person, so dialogue and the inner thoughts of the MC are most important to me. I will be in his head for the rest of the story; if MC's actions and thought process are intriguing, anything else is just an additional flavor.

  • @ShreyaPatil-s2j
    @ShreyaPatil-s2j 2 місяці тому

    Wow! I too am reading Sun Eater Series Currently... Now at Book Two :- The Howling Dark

  • @YountFilm
    @YountFilm Місяць тому

    In a sense, it's almost more important to make your reader *not* like the main character -- but only up to a certain threshold. Social media shows: people respond and pay attention to things that irritate them.

  • @theangryenderman7073
    @theangryenderman7073 2 місяці тому

    could you do a video talking about fantasy novel sports what not to do and what to do

  • @svartrbrisingr6141
    @svartrbrisingr6141 Місяць тому

    Funnily enough the book im writing hits a few of these. I have a prologue set in the point of view of the antagonist. It shows off a bit of my world magic system. Not enough to overload them with details just showing off bits of how it works. Give people thinking "how exactly does this work?"

  • @culturewarsdiplomacy
    @culturewarsdiplomacy 2 місяці тому +4

    Another reason to start with the villain is to avoid the weak opening of started with the heroes normal life. Some stories we do need to see where the hero started, what is he fighting to keep, or what he has lost ect and not bore the audience before you get to the conflict.

    • @lionheartpublishing5653
      @lionheartpublishing5653 2 місяці тому +2

      I almost did this. I wanted a quiet relaxing wake up by the alarm clock in a peaceful bustling neighbourhood, but added the hackers getting everything ready in psyber war:
      I started mine with the antagonist's minions (not the cute twinkie guys unfortunately 🍌), never showing the actual antagonist until the prime minister is kidnapped.
      - Psyber War Lionheart
      The other main book I wrote started with the secondary main characters who are later on trial for a crime that happened during the opening (they are US tsa agents).
      - shutdown republic lionheart
      Lastly, my third one opened with a few teens living in an TV park dropping hints in setting and dialogue that something very bad had happened (eg fetching water from a hand pump well, smartphone with cracked screen and only access to saved music and videos rather than the internet, shootout between rV park residents and invaders dropping the hint about lack of govt ("what police?).
      - horizons

    • @lionheartpublishing5653
      @lionheartpublishing5653 2 місяці тому +1

      Rv park, not TV park

  • @YountFilm
    @YountFilm Місяць тому

    Re: "Stop watching videos and get writing!"
    I listen to these videos while on my work commute, and it generates reflections on my writing, which I then record to myself in voice memos.
    Anything can be a boon or distraction; it's all in how you use it.
    [Posting here instead of as a reply comment.]

  • @Auscher
    @Auscher Місяць тому

    Hey Jed, before writing this I just want to say thanks. As a young individual who loves to write fantasy, your videos have helped. Both in the writing way, but also because I saw it as a weird thing, that as a 14 kid who writes. But the question I want to ask, is how I can make a character balanced if you get me? Like; how can I make a character that is not “too” good. Because having no downside is just boring imho. But I can never find a real way to give the character an actual arc. Like a balanced personality. So he’s not just a joy and good for everyone, but bot like hated either. Because as a person who is working on 3 different projects, it’s kind of hard to not just give them all the same personality. I hope you read this, and good luck hitting a 100k.

  • @wyattstevens8574
    @wyattstevens8574 7 годин тому

    1:38-1:40 3 most critical words in story writing: Show, don't tell.

  • @shadowrodney
    @shadowrodney Місяць тому

    I see I've been here before xD but I like always reminding myself of the many tips and feedback the writing/reading world provides. 8:18 actually gave me an idea... what if the main character of your story... was the villain? And he got defeated right at the beginning making it all about his comeback and the journey that might either reforge the villain into somewhat of a good guy, or if his fuel for revenge and persistent ambition that drives his villainous side might keep him as a villain.

  • @TheDawn15
    @TheDawn15 2 місяці тому

    In regards to what the opening is about. My story is about identity. This is the first and second paragraphs of my story:
    Lightning flickers across the sky as Ariel gazes out the window. Thunder roars in the distance as the train chugs towards its destination. The setting brings her mind to the moment.
    Despite her platinum blonde shoulder-length hair and fair skin, she considers herself a Tapraleon, though her traits are a rarity among those who are born in Tapral. She turns her attention away from the window to glance around her surroundings while a pair of passengers walk by.

  • @stephenking1218
    @stephenking1218 2 місяці тому +1

    Prologues are to writers what cilantro is to chefs. Some of us with developed, mature palates appreciate a bit of cilantro brightening our dishes, while the less cultured utter primitive angry growls at the wonderful herb. I think the major difference between the two creative efforts, though, is that you generally don't have accomplished chefs teaching newbies that "this is the ONLY way that writing should be done, because writing should ONLY be done this way," which is basically what I heard from Agents-on-High at my first writing conference, where I learned that Prologue Bad, No Write Prologue Ever.

    • @Celebwen21
      @Celebwen21 Місяць тому +1

      Did you know some people have a genetic trait that makes cilantro taste bad? It’s not a case of immaturity if your genes are to blame!

  • @georgekatkus5162
    @georgekatkus5162 2 місяці тому

    Of the 3 books I've written, the 4th one I'm writing, setting the mood for a series comes first. Mood snd world.
    For singular books, I don't know.

  • @lionheartpublishing5653
    @lionheartpublishing5653 2 місяці тому +6

    I started mine with the antagonist's minions (not the cute twinkie guys unfortunately 🍌), never showing the actual antagonist until the prime minister is kidnapped.
    - Psyber War Lionheart
    The other main book I wrote started with the secondary main characters who are later on trial for a crime that happened during the opening (they are US tsa agents).
    - shutdown republic lionheart
    Lastly, my third one opened with a few teens living in an TV park dropping hints in setting and dialogue that something very bad had happened (eg fetching water from a hand pump well, smartphone with cracked screen and only access to saved music and videos rather than the internet, shootout between rV park residents and invaders dropping the hint about lack of govt ("what police?).
    - horizons

  • @justwonder1404
    @justwonder1404 Місяць тому

    26:10 - one of the reasons I loved Six of Crows is the way the main characters, especially Kaz and Inej, are introduced as competent and capable characters (some would say, too competent for their age). I feel like especially in fantasy or sci-fi, it pays to give your main characters skills as well as flaws from the start. A romcom protagonist may start just as a quirky lovable loser, but I'll need a practical reason to see why your fantasy lead is worth rooting for.

  • @shaydilane2172
    @shaydilane2172 Місяць тому

    Hey Jed, huge fan of your videos. They’ve helped me so much. I’m writing a fantasy book; it’s been in the works for 10 years. I started it when I was a little girl. I am currently debating on whether to make it a trilogy or a standalone. I’ve always wanted it to be a series... but I’m streamlining for the sake of upping my chances of getting published. Would planning a trilogy, and presenting my story as a “standalone with series potential” be shooting myself in the foot? I worry that I won’t be able to achieve the depth I’m hoping for with only around 100,000 words to work with... but I also really want my story to succeed. Do you (or anyone!) have any advice on this?

  • @kommplot
    @kommplot Місяць тому

    starting with the Antagonist, that is basically what GoT does - the white walkers

  • @bigbossvi429
    @bigbossvi429 2 місяці тому +2

    My story starts with a one page Epilogue. The world has ended and it’s my main character’s fault. Don’t elaborate as to why or how.
    Thoughts?

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 2 місяці тому

    i had a prologue, but i decided to drop it. it was descriptive of the central conflict but a bit navel- gazey. besides, at the time i was thinking, when i use the first-person narrative, which i only do for the one character, it was described from a future perspective, but now i think, he just thinks that way in the present, because he's read a lot of books. i know i do, and i have

  • @JustClaude13
    @JustClaude13 2 місяці тому

    The 1954 classic, Godzilla, opened with the effects of the monster. Godzilla didn't appear on screen until much later in the movie, but his power was shown repeatedly from the beginning.
    I can see the merit in writing the protagonist and antagonist as a romance. Not a love story, per se, but the emotional relationship between the two does drive a lot of a story.
    In my current project I'm exploring the changes in the relationship between the hero and his sister and with a demon girl he's forced to work with.

  • @perseus931
    @perseus931 2 місяці тому

    Hey! As always, great video. I want to ask if "Kingdom of Dragons" will later be available on Amazon and other platforms. I saw that it is still in preorder status and I m not sure if I can buy it now (I live in Europe) because of shipment issues.

  • @senseiAR
    @senseiAR 2 місяці тому

    Soon you'll have 100k subs🎉

  • @NameNotAChannel
    @NameNotAChannel 2 місяці тому +3

    I like infodumps. I like to know about the setting and what makes THIS world different from reality. What makes THIS world worth getting into. I don't care about characters or motives or action at the start. If I don't care about the world/setting, I could be reading any other story. The world is the most important character to me.

  • @genius2005
    @genius2005 2 місяці тому

    If one had looked and stood upon a rocky outcrop, one would see the city of Guerdon, and caves which riddled the hillsides. And one would see the old city had palaces, churches, and towers that reached up as a man would who´s drowning, for there alleyways and hovels surrounded one, and Guerdon always was a tense place within itself, a city built upon previous incarnations, denying and striving towards a hidden past.
    - Sounds much better thqn the example you gave because I removed some of the redunancies in each prose and wrote them in an iambic meter or poetic rhythm, which will help the reader to remember what´s happening. I also reworded some of it because many writers make the mistake of including adjectives in their sentences, and that´s what most of them are writing - sentences, not even in prose. Even if you think the writer is writing in prose, you´ll find the story will read more like a legal document, something thqt Plato talked about, and will not sound poetic, which is what Aristotle said writers should do. In other words, it´s better to use adjectives and even adverbs as tools to add rhythm or a poetic meter to your narrative. Instead of writing = ¨...rocky outcrop¨, it would be much better to say - ¨the outcrop was thus rocky¨, since the stressed syllables are asymetrically balanced in the iambic rhythm whether they are doubled or not. It also sounds more metaphorical which will excite the reader ´ s imagination of what does the author mean by ¨rocky¨.
    One note - mentioning something multiple times, like ¨city¨ or ¨old city¨ would not be redundant, since if carefully used, would be a great way to keep the the iambic rhythm going, instead of using the word ¨it¨.

  • @yohanrives3752
    @yohanrives3752 Місяць тому

    I would love to write an opening with the vilain shown in a way that the reader would actually wonder if they really are the vilain at all and question everyone's motive throughout the book.

  • @CalebMickelson-f9j
    @CalebMickelson-f9j Місяць тому

    im curently making a story. the Divine Fable. wish me luck

  • @Zerathina
    @Zerathina 2 місяці тому +1

    When introducing a magic system, you can’t open with that- you really can’t… you NEED to establish your main character and his/her standing before the magic system. Let’s say you have a hero, introduce the magic first and you’re left wondering “ok we know that particular example, but what if our hero? Where does he/she stand? What can he/she do? Etc.” whereas introducing the hero first shows “ok here’s our hero, and there’s an example of magic costing something- I wonder what our hero will have to lose.”
    In a project I’m working on, we get the hero first, the situation second, magic third, a glimpse of the villain fourth, a majorly important problem fifth, and magic consequences are wrapped in that fifth thing. The hero gets into major trouble because of a magical action, which cost not only him, but a lot of other people. He severely burned his arms and parts of his body, but also destroyed a large area of a city by accident. WOOPS- now you’re wanted, and you can’t control your magic at all- and when he does start to learn it, he still hurts himself and mixes up his powers, so a water spell becomes an earth spell- or a normal fire spell becomes 10 times stronger than he wanted it to be.
    Why not introduce magic costs first? Cause they don’t matter until our hero gets magic access. Introducing magic too early breaks the structure and shows a mechanic that doesn’t yet come into play or matter until later on, hence wasting time and word space

  • @Andrewtr6
    @Andrewtr6 Місяць тому

    The intro of my story really has me stuck. I have an outline in my mind for what could happen but idk if it's good enough. Before I get into it, I should divulge that my story is not a novel but rather a comic series or possibly graphic novel. I just like the idea of a fantasy comic. My current idea for the start of my story doesn't introduce the villain, conflict, a mystery, or even the magic which is a big part of the story. Instead, I introduce my main character who isn't doing anything exciting. My idea was to introduce the character and the current state of her mind. She recently experienced a traumatic event which she is still getting over.
    Some people might ask, why don't I start with this traumatic event? The reason is I don't want to. Specifically, I want to save that for flashbacks so the story can get into the main plot. I also wanted to start this story in a different way than I typically start my stories. Usually, I go with media res and have some kinda action in the first few pages. This just didn't make sense for this story.
    Honestly, I'm not really sure what I should do with the start. I have my main character, the setting, magic system, and plot. My main character is a 12-year-old girl who can see ghosts. Her whole family has this gift as they are natural necromancers in the divination sense. After her sister is killed by an evil spirit, she is sent to another realm to learn magic. While Harry Potter inspired this story, I don't want it to be too similar. This is one of the reasons I based my magic school in another realm instead of just somewhere on Earth. For a similar reason, I was planning on opening the story with my MC in a waiting room still on Earth instead of at home. It's the middle of the night during a snowstorm and she's waiting to be sent to school. I'm planning for the scene to set up that 1) my character is still dealing with something 2) she's going somewhere/waiting for something 3) can see ghosts. I'm just not sure if this will be enough to capture the reader's attention.

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 2 місяці тому +1

    so, watcha think about this? i figured out, over years of writing this character, a telepath, he really doesn't know who he is when he's alone. i start with him waking alone on a bus realizing his companion is gone and has taken his drugs, so he tries to scam the next best thing from a pharmacy, loses his concentration and fails, successfully scams the store cashier for supplies, and breaking into a house he believes abandoned, attempts to make a drug, with skills he taught himself reading old alchemy texts and chemistry textbooks. you don't learn his name or vital stats until chapter 2 when he meets someone else. the telepathy was a nice hack for the problem of describing appearance too