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The US funds them, arms them and even trains them, now we want to fight them 🤯 Sounds like something we've heard before in the past. As long as a billion dollar demand exists there will always be someone somewhere who will provide, the only real option is to stop what fuels them.
If we do take on the Cartels. Are we going to build COPs and FOBs like Iraq? Will we have The 1st CAV and other Army Marine Units deployed to do local patrols of Villages, Coties and towns,while the Seals, Delta, and Rangers attack Cartel Targets?
Follow the money, the US spends around $360 Billons on drugs yearly, every single dollar the cartel has started in the hands of a drug user in the US, and those users are directly responsible for financing the drug market, every dollar they choose to invest literally makes them an accessory to murder, so a zero tolerance policy and sever sentences will undoubtedly deter most users and prevent stubborn offenders from buying again. Truth is, as long as a demand this big exists there will ALWAYS be someone somewhere willing to supply it, over 40 years fighting the the War on Drugs have taught us this. No demand, no supply.
It's all about controling the cash flow ehh, Mexico isn't lining up so you think terrorizing the Country into submition is a good idea. "God" blesss that plan.
I agree. We have to look at to what has happened and what is happening in Mexico. We have to look at the "War on Drugs" and why it did not succeed. Do we want our country to turn into Mexico? The hard thing about this is potential actions of terrorism happening in the US. Wasn't that exactly what our security posture during GWOT successfully countered? I think action needs to happen; American lives have already been lost due to inaction, and more will continue to die.
Easy to say when you’re not going in there 😂 the Mexican people feel the same way, having the biggest customer at your border begging for drugs is not good. American citizens have a bigger drug problem than Mexican citizens. That should tell you something
The US needs to fix itself first. American society has deteriorated with all the drug users and mass shootings. The US is going to do things the most inefficient and complicated way, as always, such that there will be troops fighting the cartels while those troops' relatives or neighbors consume drugs from Mexico. And in the end, probably $100 of billions wasted, troops with PTSD who will be ignored, refugees from Mexico coming into the US due to the destabilization, and an even stronger battle hardened cartels will rise. Look at Afghanistan. Trillions wasted, 20 years of war, and we left the Taliban a battle hardened and experienced organization with lots of modern military gear.
The Drug war fuels their industry. The CIA has helped them. The ATF has helped them. The DEA has helped them. This is the same policy that the USA took up in the middle east.
I disagree with what you guys are saying. I worked close to the border as a deputy and police officer in az and I can tell you the damage and nightmare of continuing to not deal with with this problem is far more destructive to Americans and the country, then to continue with what we're doing. If there was any military action in the last 50 years that would be justified, this is it. We are already at war guys. You have a nation doing nothing, instead, many times aiding armed militants and insurgents crossing our border with weapons, slaves and poison and intentionally killing Americans. I know you're concerned about what it could spiral into, But hundreds of thousands of Americans are dying and will continue to do so. Comparing this to Afghanistan and Iraq is false logic. This is nothing like that. The motivation for the cartel is profit, plain and simple. It is NOT ideology. You cannot compare jihadists who are devout in their religion and have a ideological idealistic push to do what they do, and compare that to people who are motivated only by money. Money, does you no good if you're dead. If the cartels are being heavily targeted, there's a little motivation to join a suicide pact for money, they'll never get to spend.
I’m tired of us being afraid of everyone and what they might do in response to us defending ourselves. No other country would put up with this nonsense.
just saying if you go to some other countries through means of illegal entry there is three options jail for life until your government retrieves you, immediate deportation, or execution the options change depending where you go.
I think the biggest fear about labeling cartel organizations as terrorists is more about protecting rich businessmen and politicians on both sides of the border that have ties with the cartels. If they would be found guilty of working with these organizations they would now be charged with crimes related to terrorism. And we all now many politicians and rich businessmen aid and fund these crime organizations.
@@Sperggy Yes it might, that's something that the democratic party might like but like I said many politicians and big corporations have their hands dirty and they are afraid of the thought of the people they make deals with and fund get labeled as terrorists.
I worked major DTO’s for 6-years of my LE career and dealt with street level dealers and users nearly my entire 30-year career. Unless we curb the consumption of drugs in the US, we will never win “the war on drugs.” We’re fooling ourselves if we think we will get rid of traffickers or manufacturing OCONUS or inCONUS
I disagree, after 27 years LEO, 22 1/2 on the border in Arizona as an agent. The cartels absolutely need to be targeted in Mexico. Yes we need to do Alot to help the users and stop the use. But the cartels will not stop as Long as they are safe just feet away from that imaginary line. Mike does not have the years on the border to understand. I would love to sit down with him and have a conversation.
@@jesseinAZ Have Your head examined! Have You ever heard of something called "SUPPLY AND DEMAND? Sorry to disappoint You, but it applies to DRUGS TOO! Yes You need to do "alot" to help the users.... How about You do SOMETHING, anything that doesnt involve invading a sovereign country because of Your own shortcomings? And NO You dont have to be "on the border to understand"! The ignorance is astonishing.
Fix the in side of your house first , the CIA is always been behind the cartels , and this operation the us goberment is so hard for doing in mexico ,is just about the control of mexico and its resources , its has nothing to do with the drug problem or helping mexico
Because it’s easier to hide destruction and wrcrims across the world. It wouldn’t look very good seeing Americans destroying Mexican towns and cities. And if Americans avoided using heavy air support and artillery there would be a lot of American deaths due to the cartels being just as experienced in urban warfare as the US. Also the cartel would use civilians as human shields making “winning “ hard to do.
We could fix a lot of things if we didn't send money through taxes to other countries. The government doesn't want to fix it they want it worse. And they want to disarm the militia. This is a problem the militia and sheriffs have the authority and skills to take care of. The federal government created this problem.
They have chapters within every major US city. It might create more complex threats but those threats already exist and will only continue to become a bigger threat with time. The Cartels have lobbyists on capital hill, in their own country they buy politicians what's to say they are not already doing that here!!! Action must be taken....
It's about time someone started talking about this. If the reason why we shouldn't is that they can hit us so hard, the truth is that we should have done much more much sooner. What to do now is certainly a topic that needs more discussion because doing nothing is clearly not taking us in a tenable direction.
Strengthen the boarder…create a militarized version of coast guard for border to directly counter drug and other strategic initiatives against the USA…don’t go into Mexico…we also need to focus on getting people to work and off the streets and address drug addiction problems
@@user-ic1lo9wh5f Except that never happened. You forget roughly 1/2 the country shilling for and doing everything they can to protect the gangs and their activities.
If the US Government really wanted to stop it, it would be stopped but something tells me they don’t or a certain entity or entities of our government don’t.
The U.S government has made some efforts but they've been halfhearted at best. Operation Fast and Furious comes to mind, what a botch job. Also the war on drugs is something I don't think the U.S government wants to go away. A problem solved is one less thing they can use to justify their jobs.
@@slayermill8621 bingo. These 3 letter agencies have MASSIVE budgets. If they actually do what they are supposed to do, then crime falls and so do their budgets. Example: the FBI was given a massive budget increase after 9/11. Well...they smoked out the terrorists and could no longer justify their budget. Well...they aren't going to just watch all of that money and power disappear, so they started to "create" new terrorists. This is why they keep expanding the definition of a terrorist and have turned on the American Citizens. They have to create a threat to "fight". I don't know how many, but several mass shooters were groomed and encouraged by federal agents online. I even know of one case where undercover agents talked two brothers into robbing a bank. These guys had no intention of robbing a bank until they were given the plans, guns, and even a ride to the bank by these agents. The feds freaking served as the getaway drivers! They talked these guys into robbing a bank. They helped them rob the bank. And then they arrested them for robbing the bank! You can't make this sh*t up. That FBI whistleblower (Kevin something), gave an interview here on YT that will make your skin crawl. But yeah.... without the crime, we wouldn't need the LE. They aren't going to let that happen.
I personally watched a cartel son, go through POST academy to learn all law, and logistics on entering and clearing structures, vehicles etc. We need every advantage we can get.
We need someone from this channel to interview Gafe423 and ask him these types of questions. His a ex Mexican special forces Vet and was part of the platoon that turned into Los Zetas. He has his own UA-cam channel talking about his experiences fighting against cartels, his also speaks on The School of the Americas being the possible place where Los Zetas have formed, also talks about fighting against other special forces entities who worked for the cartel (From Us, Israeli, Columbian, and etc) so many topics to touch on and would be amazing for the American audience to see the truth, how this cartel problem does not just have Mexican Government officials involved but as well as US. Really hope to see this by the end of the year!
okay? If you were really in the Mexican army you would know the special forces aren’t the same as the Mexican army it’s a different branch. The facts are there all you need to do is research, for starters operation fast and furious for the US-Mexican connection, The School Of Americas has been documented as well, which by the way a lot of dictators have graduated from, As for the possible formation of Los Zetas there’s many stories about how they were originally formed but they were a security force for a cartel that they later left. And the other country special forces being in the cartel have been verified by cartel members, journalists, and army personnel. So either your lying that you were in the Mexican army or you just don’t know the truth which is also a possibility seeing how corrupt things are.
What an incredible episode! I initially thought you both would be all for a “let’s do this” approach. However, you both made excellent points about why this issue is far more complex and significant than it appears at first glance.
@@chachis-censored There are MANY people at the lower levels who are willing to take on the problem - what is holding them back is spinelessness of politicians and their advisers (or lobbyists) at the upper levels.
@@NANA-lq5md If anybody poses a threat , in this case I mean if a cartel member or bad guy with a gun is threatening yeah it makes a difference to defend yourself by all means necessary. So yeah huge difference do you know other places around the world you are just a victim , here we can control the narrative and not be a victim.
@@thatslowyukon1362the problem is you're thinking about it in a self defense mind set. That's not what's being discussed in the video. They're saying the cartel members/gangs will start conducting actual attacks. American gun owners have already shown they won't do shit, hell gangs and cartels have already effectively taken over parts of America.
In the nature of this conversation and this subject your comment has no bearing whatsoever. And you are not going up against the confronting any cartels yourself and fortunate for you they are not messing with you either.
Why don’t they send the elite military forces within the US to clear out the cartel cells in the US and other gangs. If you take out the infrastructure in the US it’s much more difficult for cartels to stay in business
If the solution doesn't involve weapons contracts and pushing the boundaries of what is considered legal under international law, then the US doesn't want it.
Just from personal experience more government isn’t going to help drug addiction issues. You cannot force a person clean and trust me they have plenty of resources to get clean.
That's a great idea that's the one thing that's never been tried before is government deterrence for drug addiction abuse and use. Why don't we try to deter people with threat of imprisonment death great bodily harm and loss of everything? Surely that will be the thing that has never been proposed to them that will change their mind what a novel idea 🤦
If US military were to declare war on cartels, wouldn’t it be the same as declaring war on Mexico? Mike makes great points here. Great episode man, look forward to more of these discussions. 🇺🇸
Really? Because the president of Mexico has filed a law suit against the U.S. gun companies . Blaming U.S. for their Cartel and violence problem. What they are trying to do is tie these gun companies in legal battles till it bankrupts them. We owe them nothing. ! The treaty signed said we can’t interfere with them. But yet here they are trying to sue us!!!
@@prometheusadept Mexican armed forces have eliminated 5000 cartels members in combat since 2006, USA is the one doing nothing about drug trafficking within USA.
@@moic9704 They have deployed US armed forces and the DEA and the equipment supplied to the Mexican armed forces are from the US most of the Mexican police are used to take out rival gangs because gangs own police forces so they say "look guys we took out that gang" but what about the other one that will get even stronger making it worse.
Politicians would absolutely hijack the crisis of dealing with Cartels within our own borders, and use it as justification to go after anyone they want.
Hell yes!!! I am 50% Special Forces!! The first half at least, the Special partl 🤣🤣 I just need to work on my forces part! I can shoot, move, & communicate though!!! Put me in coach!!!
The military needs to be deployed against threats to the United States, such as the cartels, before any deployments to the Middle East or Eastern Europe, as those more directly threaten national security.
Do you not see how illegal mestizo immigration, the utterly corrupt banana republics to the south & criminal organizations actively poisoning our streets are *DIRECTLY* causing our "junky" problems in this country? Maybe cholos could stop coming here? Maybe you could fix the problems in *YOUR* "junky" country that makes them run away? Maybe you should consider that many of the "junky" people here in the United States are illegal trespassers from *YOUR* neck of the woods? It's easy to point fingers. But that often results in a return of closed fists. Get off our Internet...
the Andy/Mike duo really works...both are black belts on goodnatured ballbusting (an art that is sadly dying) and it's good to see a dude like MG get some support right now
@@marcob2137 YES! But it seems MOST of these people just dont get it or dont want to accept that the root of the problem is the DEMAND! I knew i couldnt be the only one who sees things for what they are!
Definitely millions within our borders They could have made your meal today at lunch. Or delivered your Amazon order yesterday. That's how deep they are here.....believe it.
I appreciate these guys not elaborating as to how badly they could fk us up and I say that while also thinking it was preventable All I’ll say is that we have alot of bridges, water ways, and rail roads….and it wouldn’t be hard at all to complicate road ways at choke points in certain cities. They could create traffic jams easily Yes we could send squads at their top guys and their distributors and their banks and money guys…..but it would get so so ugly. And naive soft hearted people inadvertently created these conditions
Why do people say they aren't and its just "conspiracies" its clear they aren't on our side in ww3 and they are preparing, why wouldn't they grab all these opportunities that the US turns a blind eye too I would if I were them.
Trump's wars should have been China and Mexico, was saying it years ago, like right after Trump released that list of Chinese CCP members that were embedded in American corporations that seems to have never produced any news. But then you see both Trump and Biden are compromised as is noted in each of their five children being married to jews. The history of bolshevik handlers in Mao's China were many. And then last year was released a report stating that more than 40% of Mexico is GENETICALLY JEWISH. Christopher Columbus was jewish and the year he's famous for "1492 he sailed the ocean blue" every school aged child is taught, was the year the Spanish crown kicked out al ljews from Spain, so they were really just looking for a new homeland and resource rich land to build wealth with.
Issuing a tariff on all products coming in from Mexico would have an effect on government cooperation. Set a tariff, demand the Mexican govt take action against the cartels then raise the tariff if they dont. I live in a border state. Something has to be done.
@4JTH How about you check your banks and business in the US that assit with money laundering? Cash and gund keep flowing south. Also, the cartels are international not only Mexico problem. As long there is demand there will always be supply.
@@witchywomen6650 Oh they did things. They disarmed and made defense a crime. The border should be manned by private property and militias. Thats it. They would take care of the problem.
@@TruthTeller8888please explain how it defeated them for 20 years. Do you have a different vocabulary definition for the word defeat? How is defeated an ongoing continuous verb, why didn't I just pick one of those 20 years and defeat them and be done with it why did it take all the other years and why isn't it still defeated then?
@SAR0311 what do you mean defeat? They can't stay there forever so are no wars ever won since as soon as you leave they can regrow? The US border is our home. We ain't going nowhere that's why Big difference
I do think they should be able to do so but I dont see how its possible but they need to start right here at home and get them out of our cities. They already have taken over across the US
How long will that last? First, you think the person the country I mean the agency is going to allow that? Hell no!!!!! The CIA created the cartels in Mexico to fund their black operations. U think they'll allow this to happen? Nope!! U think the CIA don't know what is going on? Come on!! The CIA e killed Kiki camarena cause he got too close..
Thats the logical answer but no they dont want that, what they want is troops in mexico because its realy not about the drugs, its about control of mexico and its resources
@@lobo-uh2tb unfortunately. They really do need to do something about the drugs tho. I do think part of the problem is that the ppl who use them dont face any real consequences. Like in other countries where the legal trouble is super serious life in jail for having them they dont have this od epidemic.
The president already has the power to deploy any branch of both state and federal military personnel anywhere in the country. You've just got to grow a pair. The problem with that strategy would also have to include going after black gangs, and then organized crime. Suddenly you'd have 50,000 military troops converging in Las Vegas and everything would go to hell. 😂😂😂
Bro the government is in business with the cartels, the organization is worth so much $$. If the government wasn't doing deals and making $ they would be shutting it all down. But the fact that its now operating in our cities says something loud and clear
Clear them out of local cities, more like swat teams, more deputies sheriff's ,make posse in each city. Close boarder. Securing the boarder is a must. If millitary is brought in as a mentor, until other option needed.
No it's a waste of resources and will only create a rift between two countries that need each other for financial security. Jus legalize and tax everything. Demand dictates the market.
Mexico has already been completely over taken.. there was something like 40+ assasinations in the lead up to their most recent presidential election. That whole country has fallen and is captured
@@victorygarden556 If the US wants to curb human trafficking they need to invest in the root causes for the emigration from their home countries. As they said a multi-tool would be needed to solve this crisis. Most likely legalizing drug use and moving production of these substances into the US would be the best bet. Legalized production under regulations and taxes would completely remove the need for drug smuggling routes which are currently conveniently effective for human trafficking side hustles for these cartels. Additionally, it will remove demand for drug manufacturing away from central and southern American countries, this would in turn reduce the footprint of cartels there and therefore make it safer for potential emigrants to stay in their countries instead of going to the US.
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Good discussion. The size of this problem has blown up in every direction. Not only is the Mexican government corrupt, our own government is as well. We all know that cartels have bought influence in state and local governments and the legal profession. Then to think of, let’s say 2% of the 10,000,000 illegals are soldiers, that’s 200,000 men! We could have anarchy the likes of which we’ve never seen.
To all men standing up to the evil regime and all that threatens this great nation I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I love and pray for everyone of you. ❤ I have a young son and have lost so many people I grew up with rhat have died from fentanyl. Give the American people the authority to defend themselves against foreign and illegal threats. Thats why we have a national gaurd in every state. Law enforcement and more.
This goofy old attempt at propaganda falls flat...simple understanding of things defeats your silly little attempt at shit talking anonymously online lmao there's gotta be truth in the shit ur saying for it to mean anything otherwise like this comment it looks desperate especially with the emojis its the universal butthurt symbol
Its overwhelmingly a question of will, if you do not have the will to succeed don't do it. When over 200,000 of our kids have been murdered, at what point so you care enough to stop it? We have as a country seemingly cared about terrorists everywhere but home.
You guys should also talk about the economic impact on the United States , Mexico is Americas biggest trading partner. This is gotta be something really to consider. The United States has invested trillions of dollars on manufacturing in Mexico.
You guys went into this discussion from well-informed positions. I agree very much with the positions you’ve presented. Figure out a way to include former Sec State Mike Pompeo in a future round table on this subject. THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO GET IS GET OUR OWN HOUSE BACK IN ORDER. Corruption in Mexico is, indeed, an issue, but we’ve got our own. I think an “Edward Landsdale” approach would be a good place to start with Mexico, however, along with the offer of applications LTC H. John Poole (Tequila Junction) recommended in terms of strategy and tactics. The big issue to overcome is that the Mexican people, when stirred up by politicians who really don’t care for anything but their vote, will have major problems with US troops on their soil. It ultimately might not hurt to, at least, in theory to have a big stick in the closet if certain governments continue to choose to be ineffective, but US boots on the ground should be a last resort. When Mexican citizens realize they’re free to enjoy Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and cartel members and other criminals realize they are not, then things might change for the better.
That is why I like JD Vance and Mr Trump Trump is number one in my book he is a good businessman he knows what to do God is with you guys Trump I pray for you everyday
What a concept nobody's ever thought of that before, is that the best you got for solutions? If so you should go back to blowing bubbles. Americans love drugs… Americans are always going to love drugs… Welcome to freedom town.
Great conversation that needs to be had. The government failed to secure our border and now there needs to be diplomatic interventions to solve the issues that came from that. I agree that this issue cannot be solved with guns blazing and playing a game of wack a mole. We need a diplomatic plan and our military/ police need support to clean things up swiftly. Thank you guys!
Great measured conversation, remember that the cartels TODAY have TOP LEVEL MILITARY HARDWARE and know how to use it. Think ARMOR, TANKS, MISSILES, etc.
They should take care of local cartels, I don’t think drugs consumers get their share by Amazon , maybe focus on stopping school mass shootings , the homeless than they can worry about the neighbors issues .
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The US funds them, arms them and even trains them, now we want to fight them 🤯 Sounds like something we've heard before in the past. As long as a billion dollar demand exists there will always be someone somewhere who will provide, the only real option is to stop what fuels them.
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If we do take on the Cartels. Are we going to build COPs and FOBs like Iraq? Will we have The 1st CAV and other Army Marine Units deployed to do local patrols of Villages, Coties and towns,while the Seals, Delta, and Rangers attack Cartel Targets?
Follow the money, the US spends around $360 Billons on drugs yearly, every single dollar the cartel has started in the hands of a drug user in the US, and those users are directly responsible for financing the drug market, every dollar they choose to invest literally makes them an accessory to murder, so a zero tolerance policy and sever sentences will undoubtedly deter most users and prevent stubborn offenders from buying again. Truth is, as long as a demand this big exists there will ALWAYS be someone somewhere willing to supply it, over 40 years fighting the the War on Drugs have taught us this. No demand, no supply.
It's all about controling the cash flow ehh, Mexico isn't lining up so you think terrorizing the Country into submition is a good idea. "God" blesss that plan.
Doing nothing with a Cartel threat at our southern border should not be an option.
I agree. We have to look at to what has happened and what is happening in Mexico. We have to look at the "War on Drugs" and why it did not succeed. Do we want our country to turn into Mexico? The hard thing about this is potential actions of terrorism happening in the US. Wasn't that exactly what our security posture during GWOT successfully countered? I think action needs to happen; American lives have already been lost due to inaction, and more will continue to die.
Easy to say when you’re not going in there 😂 the Mexican people feel the same way, having the biggest customer at your border begging for drugs is not good. American citizens have a bigger drug problem than Mexican citizens. That should tell you something
How about by starting fight against cartels in your own country instead
As far as there are conusers of products that Cartels offerings nothing will be changed. You cannot stop drug trafiking
Why does everyone keep saying "at our southern border" when they're already elbow deep in this country?
This isn't about winning the war on drugs it needs to be done to restore our countries sovereignty. It needs to be done to prevent slavery.
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i wonder were the money and weapons come from.
The US needs to fix itself first. American society has deteriorated with all the drug users and mass shootings. The US is going to do things the most inefficient and complicated way, as always, such that there will be troops fighting the cartels while those troops' relatives or neighbors consume drugs from Mexico.
And in the end, probably $100 of billions wasted, troops with PTSD who will be ignored, refugees from Mexico coming into the US due to the destabilization, and an even stronger battle hardened cartels will rise.
Look at Afghanistan. Trillions wasted, 20 years of war, and we left the Taliban a battle hardened and experienced organization with lots of modern military gear.
The Drug war fuels their industry. The CIA has helped them. The ATF has helped them. The DEA has helped them.
This is the same policy that the USA took up in the middle east.
You were already under slav
I disagree with what you guys are saying.
I worked close to the border as a deputy and police officer in az and I can tell you the damage and nightmare of continuing to not deal with with this problem is far more destructive to Americans and the country, then to continue with what we're doing.
If there was any military action in the last 50 years that would be justified, this is it.
We are already at war guys. You have a nation doing nothing, instead, many times aiding armed militants and insurgents crossing our border with weapons, slaves and poison and intentionally killing Americans.
I know you're concerned about what it could spiral into,
But hundreds of thousands of Americans are dying and will continue to do so.
Comparing this to Afghanistan and Iraq is false logic.
This is nothing like that.
The motivation for the cartel is profit, plain and simple.
It is NOT ideology.
You cannot compare jihadists who are devout in their religion and have a ideological idealistic push to do what they do, and compare that to people who are motivated only by money.
Money, does you no good if you're dead.
If the cartels are being heavily targeted, there's a little motivation to join a suicide pact for money, they'll never get to spend.
Good comment.
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Thank you
it should start within the us first, i wonder how those millions of addicts got their shit at, of course he got it from local usa cartel
😂😂😂😂 who do you think let the drugs in?? Start with that..
Good point
I’m tired of us being afraid of everyone and what they might do in response to us defending ourselves. No other country would put up with this nonsense.
Stop outsoucing your defense to the government.
@@daveonezero6258 that makes no sense. Are you taking on the Cartels all by yourself? How's it going?
@@daveonezero6258 and If communists invade your neighborhood? maybe they already did in 1949? how did that go? LOL!
@@secretbassrigsstop using they’re drugs that would help a lot and mainly stop selling them weapons
just saying if you go to some other countries through means of illegal entry there is three options jail for life until your government retrieves you, immediate deportation, or execution the options change depending where you go.
I think the biggest fear about labeling cartel organizations as terrorists is more about protecting rich businessmen and politicians on both sides of the border that have ties with the cartels. If they would be found guilty of working with these organizations they would now be charged with crimes related to terrorism. And we all now many politicians and rich businessmen aid and fund these crime organizations.
Sinaloan and Jalisco Cartels: Ayyy Gringos, hold our TEQUILAs 🥃
In order to get a job in government and public service.Sodium pentithal. All of them with a lot of questions with a lie detection.
Navy Seals ,Green Berets,Rangers and all other help to end this war.
if you label the cartels a terror org through legislation it would validate all claims of asylum filed at the Mexico boarder.
@@Sperggy Yes it might, that's something that the democratic party might like but like I said many politicians and big corporations have their hands dirty and they are afraid of the thought of the people they make deals with and fund get labeled as terrorists.
I worked major DTO’s for 6-years of my LE career and dealt with street level dealers and users nearly my entire 30-year career. Unless we curb the consumption of drugs in the US, we will never win “the war on drugs.” We’re fooling ourselves if we think we will get rid of traffickers or manufacturing OCONUS or inCONUS
Usa the nose of the whole world.. sick gringos😅
I disagree, after 27 years LEO, 22 1/2 on the border in Arizona as an agent. The cartels absolutely need to be targeted in Mexico. Yes we need to do Alot to help the users and stop the use. But the cartels will not stop as Long as they are safe just feet away from that imaginary line. Mike does not have the years on the border to understand. I would love to sit down with him and have a conversation.
@@jesseinAZ what kind of answer is that bro , you know who let the drug cross, if you say you work as a border patrol
@@hectorsilva2835 and here is the cartels troll. I put a few thousand of your amigos in prison.
@@jesseinAZ Have Your head examined! Have You ever heard of something called "SUPPLY AND DEMAND? Sorry to disappoint You, but it applies to DRUGS TOO! Yes You need to do "alot" to help the users.... How about You do SOMETHING, anything that doesnt involve invading a sovereign country because of Your own shortcomings? And NO You dont have to be "on the border to understand"! The ignorance is astonishing.
It's unbelievable to think that we send troops to the other side of the world to fight, but we can't fix our backyard.
Fix the in side of your house first , the CIA is always been behind the cartels , and this operation the us goberment is so hard for doing in mexico ,is just about the control of mexico and its resources , its has nothing to do with the drug problem or helping mexico
YUP WELCOME TO AMERICA. SICK ISNT IT.
Our govt doesnt want to fix it
Because it’s easier to hide destruction and wrcrims across the world. It wouldn’t look very good seeing Americans destroying Mexican towns and cities. And if Americans avoided using heavy air support and artillery there would be a lot of American deaths due to the cartels being just as experienced in urban warfare as the US. Also the cartel would use civilians as human shields making “winning “ hard to do.
We could fix a lot of things if we didn't send money through taxes to other countries. The government doesn't want to fix it they want it worse. And they want to disarm the militia.
This is a problem the militia and sheriffs have the authority and skills to take care of. The federal government created this problem.
First: STOP SELLING GUNS TO THE CARTELS, (that is not going to happen because is too much money involved )
you realize dual citizens can buy guns right? ya realize how many dual mexican american citizens there are?
@@andrewprindiville119lol ur point is ? Many citizens from different ethnicities have be arrested trying to cross over weapons lmao
@@ElNemo22 my point obivously is you gotta close the border if you dont want wepons going over it to the mexicn side
They have chapters within every major US city. It might create more complex threats but those threats already exist and will only continue to become a bigger threat with time. The Cartels have lobbyists on capital hill, in their own country they buy politicians what's to say they are not already doing that here!!! Action must be taken....
Cartel de Sinaloa is falling apart. CJNG is the new wave. Lots of respect to El Señor De Los Gallos 🥑🐓
It's about time someone started talking about this. If the reason why we shouldn't is that they can hit us so hard, the truth is that we should have done much more much sooner. What to do now is certainly a topic that needs more discussion because doing nothing is clearly not taking us in a tenable direction.
Well, if you want to fight the war on drugs, then bring the fight to them instead of being an enabler
Or just don’t buy drugs
The Izraeli Sackler family started the Opiate epidemic
The Izraeli Sassoon family started the Opium wars
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@ericb1876 over 50 million people do some kind of drugs.
@@northsky5629 exactly my point. Stop doing drugs and the cartel no longer have power.
@@footletuce1376 That has nothing to do with drugs coming over the southern border.
Strengthen the boarder…create a militarized version of coast guard for border to directly counter drug and other strategic initiatives against the USA…don’t go into Mexico…we also need to focus on getting people to work and off the streets and address drug addiction problems
Ya. We really do need to start figuring out how to curb the drug use. From what in understand, Portugal has been able to curb drug use.
The gang problem needs to be delt with in our country first.
ok, nevermind the millions of addicts theyre doing just fine!
BUTT DAS WACIST!!!
A lot of gangs are fueled by the drugs financially
Focus on incountry gangs like the last 40 years? Almost done! O wait...
@@user-ic1lo9wh5f Except that never happened. You forget roughly 1/2 the country shilling for and doing everything they can to protect the gangs and their activities.
We would never tolerate the threat if it were from any other country. We give cartels a free pass.
So you are against it because it's difficult?
How about protecting all enemies, foreign and domestic
You two are killing it with these mini pods! Keep ‘em coming dudes!
Oh and I have always talked about this subject, it’s very nice to hear guys of your stature talk about it! I see and agree with both sides now!
If the US Government really wanted to stop it, it would be stopped but something tells me they don’t or a certain entity or entities of our government don’t.
I think you overestimate the power of the government
The real question how many decades late has the US waited to fight cartels
The U.S government has made some efforts but they've been halfhearted at best. Operation Fast and Furious comes to mind, what a botch job. Also the war on drugs is something I don't think the U.S government wants to go away. A problem solved is one less thing they can use to justify their jobs.
@@slayermill8621 bingo. These 3 letter agencies have MASSIVE budgets. If they actually do what they are supposed to do, then crime falls and so do their budgets.
Example: the FBI was given a massive budget increase after 9/11. Well...they smoked out the terrorists and could no longer justify their budget.
Well...they aren't going to just watch all of that money and power disappear, so they started to "create" new terrorists. This is why they keep expanding the definition of a terrorist and have turned on the American Citizens.
They have to create a threat to "fight".
I don't know how many, but several mass shooters were groomed and encouraged by federal agents online.
I even know of one case where undercover agents talked two brothers into robbing a bank. These guys had no intention of robbing a bank until they were given the plans, guns, and even a ride to the bank by these agents.
The feds freaking served as the getaway drivers! They talked these guys into robbing a bank. They helped them rob the bank. And then they arrested them for robbing the bank! You can't make this sh*t up.
That FBI whistleblower (Kevin something), gave an interview here on YT that will make your skin crawl.
But yeah.... without the crime, we wouldn't need the LE. They aren't going to let that happen.
These guys seem to want to keep waiting in hopes that the problem will go away.
The real question is why
As long as they have been helping them.
I personally watched a cartel son, go through POST academy to learn all law, and logistics on entering and clearing structures, vehicles etc. We need every advantage we can get.
Here’s the problem the demand for drugs is coming from America no demand no drugs it’s simple
Here’s the problem the supply of drugs is coming from Mexico no supply no drugs it’s simple.
If there wasn't a demand, there wouldn't be a market.
We need someone from this channel to interview Gafe423 and ask him these types of questions. His a ex Mexican special forces Vet and was part of the platoon that turned into Los Zetas. He has his own UA-cam channel talking about his experiences fighting against cartels, his also speaks on The School of the Americas being the possible place where Los Zetas have formed, also talks about fighting against other special forces entities who worked for the cartel (From Us, Israeli, Columbian, and etc) so many topics to touch on and would be amazing for the American audience to see the truth, how this cartel problem does not just have Mexican Government officials involved but as well as US. Really hope to see this by the end of the year!
You’re saying horse shit dude I’m former Mexican Army lol
okay? If you were really in the Mexican army you would know the special forces aren’t the same as the Mexican army it’s a different branch. The facts are there all you need to do is research, for starters operation fast and furious for the US-Mexican connection, The School Of Americas has been documented as well, which by the way a lot of dictators have graduated from, As for the possible formation of Los Zetas there’s many stories about how they were originally formed but they were a security force for a cartel that they later left. And the other country special forces being in the cartel have been verified by cartel members, journalists, and army personnel. So either your lying that you were in the Mexican army or you just don’t know the truth which is also a possibility seeing how corrupt things are.
@@DOPEYPLAYSMINECRAFThe would be awesome as guest, especially since his and Ed points are similar to each other
@kirkanos3454 bro you are the one that don't know what your talking about Gafe is real. But not that his unit became Zetas.
All cartels in Mexico are controlled by the CIA........
Great conversation from two men who’ve been in operation at the highest of levels! Love the channel fellas and Andy and Mike
but still clueless...
@@mercuriomolinatorres6679 what specifically do you find fault with?
Once the cartels figure out they don't stand a chance then pray the innocent people can stand up against them too and earn thier freedoms back.
Nice to see you getting back to doing what you do Glover. We need you and your expertise.
USA military should have been on USA Mexico border instead of Middle East for 20 years
What an incredible episode! I initially thought you both would be all for a “let’s do this” approach. However, you both made excellent points about why this issue is far more complex and significant than it appears at first glance.
As long as people are afraid to take on the problem because it is complex it will only get worse and harder to deal with.
@chachis-censored yup a problem like this is going to have unfortunate collateral but the end justifies the means
@@chachis-censored There are MANY people at the lower levels who are willing to take on the problem - what is holding them back is spinelessness of politicians and their advisers (or lobbyists) at the upper levels.
Not just spec ops that can fight the cartel but I suggest we bring in the French army since Mexico refuses to deal with the cartels effectively
There are French serving in the United Nations in Africa and they pay young African boys for falatio.
Thank goodness for 2A here in America 🇺🇸
Yeah because that's made a HUGE difference.
@@NANA-lq5md If anybody poses a threat , in this case I mean if a cartel member or bad guy with a gun is threatening yeah it makes a difference to defend yourself by all means necessary. So yeah huge difference do you know other places around the world you are just a victim , here we can control the narrative and not be a victim.
@@thatslowyukon1362the problem is you're thinking about it in a self defense mind set. That's not what's being discussed in the video. They're saying the cartel members/gangs will start conducting actual attacks.
American gun owners have already shown they won't do shit, hell gangs and cartels have already effectively taken over parts of America.
In the nature of this conversation and this subject your comment has no bearing whatsoever. And you are not going up against the confronting any cartels yourself and fortunate for you they are not messing with you either.
@@SAR0311 exactly 💯
Why don’t they send the elite military forces within the US to clear out the cartel cells in the US and other gangs. If you take out the infrastructure in the US it’s much more difficult for cartels to stay in business
I was wondering about this. Thanks
How about special ops vs drug addiction
Special forces vs drug use prevention?
If the solution doesn't involve weapons contracts and pushing the boundaries of what is considered legal under international law, then the US doesn't want it.
Huh they are all addicted as we speak 😂😂😂 jk
Just from personal experience more government isn’t going to help drug addiction issues. You cannot force a person clean and trust me they have plenty of resources to get clean.
That's a great idea that's the one thing that's never been tried before is government deterrence for drug addiction abuse and use. Why don't we try to deter people with threat of imprisonment death great bodily harm and loss of everything? Surely that will be the thing that has never been proposed to them that will change their mind what a novel idea 🤦
DO drugS GO TO JAIL....
If US military were to declare war on cartels, wouldn’t it be the same as declaring war on Mexico? Mike makes great points here. Great episode man, look forward to more of these discussions. 🇺🇸
Really? Because the president of Mexico has filed a law suit against the U.S. gun companies . Blaming U.S. for their Cartel and violence problem.
What they are trying to do is tie these gun companies in legal battles till it bankrupts them.
We owe them nothing. !
The treaty signed said we can’t interfere with them. But yet here they are trying to sue us!!!
Mexico isn't doing anything about it.
@@prometheusadept Mexican armed forces have eliminated 5000 cartels members in combat since 2006, USA is the one doing nothing about drug trafficking within USA.
@@moic9704 They have deployed US armed forces and the DEA and the equipment supplied to the Mexican armed forces are from the US most of the Mexican police are used to take out rival gangs because gangs own police forces so they say "look guys we took out that gang" but what about the other one that will get even stronger making it worse.
It sounds as if they can just go in as if Mexico was not an independent country. They sounds entitled
Politicians would absolutely hijack the crisis of dealing with Cartels within our own borders, and use it as justification to go after anyone they want.
The problem is the demand. I think we need to make that clear. 😅😂😊
Yes absolutely. Full scale action.
Kind of a waste of time until the "permanent state" stops fostering them.
Cheap labor, and the intentional destabilization of foreign countries to create cheap labor, is an even greater morass than drugs.
Hell yes!!! I am 50% Special Forces!! The first half at least, the Special partl 🤣🤣 I just need to work on my forces part! I can shoot, move, & communicate though!!! Put me in coach!!!
Dad?
@@CaptBlackCamarohey step bro
Short bus is great cover, they would never suspect😜🤣
Stop eating crayons.
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Andy said it perfectly, the cartels are so entrenched that we don't know where the criminal ends and the politician begins.😢
So sit back n let them take over like we been doing. Great plan dude. Wtf smh! 🙄🤦♀️
The military needs to be deployed against threats to the United States, such as the cartels, before any deployments to the Middle East or Eastern Europe, as those more directly threaten national security.
It’s about protecting our homeland. Period
Can the US stop going to other countries fix your junky problems in your own country
This is right at our boarder it’s here we are at war, we’re just loosing.
@@MJGAZ64 blame the pharmaceutical companies that created a drug epidemic
I think that's what the vast majority of Americans would prefer. Smart ones anyway.
FOMoFo!
Do you not see how illegal mestizo immigration, the utterly corrupt banana republics to the south & criminal organizations actively poisoning our streets are *DIRECTLY* causing our "junky" problems in this country? Maybe cholos could stop coming here? Maybe you could fix the problems in *YOUR* "junky" country that makes them run away? Maybe you should consider that many of the "junky" people here in the United States are illegal trespassers
from *YOUR* neck of the woods?
It's easy to point fingers. But that often results in a return of closed fists.
Get off our Internet...
Tariffs are part of the answer. On China and on Mexico.
Tariffs on the elected government creates black markets, black markets means outlaws have even more leverage over elected government.
Get the Cartels within the USA, fix the MESS INSIDE the USA, enough of this “saving every country except ourselves”
I think they should. It would be good information on urban warfare as well as tactics to be tested and weapon systems.
the Andy/Mike duo really works...both are black belts on goodnatured ballbusting (an art that is sadly dying) and it's good to see a dude like MG get some support right now
Absolutely, wouldn’t be much of a fight
If you dont eliminate the threat, then you allow yourselves to be held prisoner!
If you don't address demand, you'll always have supply, sweetie.
@@marcob2137 YES! But it seems MOST of these people just dont get it or dont want to accept that the root of the problem is the DEMAND! I knew i couldnt be the only one who sees things for what they are!
@@marcob2137 if not drugs its always something else..who gives a shit.. just deal with them
@@marcob2137 so whats your solution for the demand for ctrafficked hildren from democrat voters?
@@marcob2137 not true if you keep killing the supplier and burning the fields
Definitely millions within our borders
They could have made your meal today at lunch. Or delivered your Amazon order yesterday. That's how deep they are here.....believe it.
Or the tacos you bought from the food truck that’s actually a money laundering front
@@BlackHoleSun420orrrrrr maybe they’re just people trying to get by like every other American
I appreciate these guys not elaborating as to how badly they could fk us up and I say that while also thinking it was preventable
All I’ll say is that we have alot of bridges, water ways, and rail roads….and it wouldn’t be hard at all to complicate road ways at choke points in certain cities. They could create traffic jams easily
Yes we could send squads at their top guys and their distributors and their banks and money guys…..but it would get so so ugly. And naive soft hearted people inadvertently created these conditions
@@davidaldridge5716naive drug war beneficiaries and boomer drug users caused the problem
And? Is that supposed to be scary?
Affect the Personel and make it difficult for the cartels to find people to traffic the drugs into the US
Damn…
You mentioned Tiquana.
My old stomping grounds.
Let’s not forget China is deeply rooted in South America pushing all this
They are selling it to Mexican
Finally someone says it. China has a big part of it.
People never name Israel but Israel has funded, trained and armed most cartels in south america.
Why do people say they aren't and its just "conspiracies" its clear they aren't on our side in ww3 and they are preparing, why wouldn't they grab all these opportunities that the US turns a blind eye too I would if I were them.
Trump's wars should have been China and Mexico, was saying it years ago, like right after Trump released that list of Chinese CCP members that were embedded in American corporations that seems to have never produced any news.
But then you see both Trump and Biden are compromised as is noted in each of their five children being married to jews. The history of bolshevik handlers in Mao's China were many. And then last year was released a report stating that more than 40% of Mexico is GENETICALLY JEWISH. Christopher Columbus was jewish and the year he's famous for "1492 he sailed the ocean blue" every school aged child is taught, was the year the Spanish crown kicked out al ljews from Spain, so they were really just looking for a new homeland and resource rich land to build wealth with.
Why not have state militias take care of the cartel elements within our sovereign borders in conjunction with local and state law enforcement?
Hell yea I would like to see this conversation with Gafe423
Gafe said absolutely no.
@@sycospart10 I see it as a pointless topic for their side, mostly because that’s just how Mexico operates.
The answer is "YES"! Immediately
They're in the US too. If they do that. They have to be targeted in the US at the same time to make it harder for them to retaliate.
Issuing a tariff on all products coming in from Mexico would have an effect on government cooperation. Set a tariff, demand the Mexican govt take action against the cartels then raise the tariff if they dont.
I live in a border state. Something has to be done.
Stand up mexico we are amazing people...bendiciones
Take 100 hundred steps backward and draw your line in the sand if you will. Stay off our tierra..bendiciones...m
@@michaelrobinson8915 How about Mexicans take care of their poor so they don't flee northward. That would help a lot.
@4JTH How about you check your banks and business in the US that assit with money laundering? Cash and gund keep flowing south. Also, the cartels are international not only Mexico problem. As long there is demand there will always be supply.
Agree… breaking balls help .. stop trade their govt will have to move a***s
Continue the content.
Long,long overdue
Absolutely instead of sending our military all over the world .
Our Law Enforcement is not equipped, trained or funded to deal with kinetic ops, nor should they be.
Yes, that's a Very slippery slope!
And clearly they are not equipped, trained, or funded to deal with kinetic drug addiction either, but nevermind that!
What would happen if the American citizen got involved? Montana has 66.3% gun owners,Wyoming with 66.2
@@chrisweld2903what I was thinking if we got together as civilians to fight this it would be far more successful if we have Intelligence etc
@@HeathenFitness 45% of Colorados citizens own guns and did nothing
Yes! Should have been dealt with decades ago, but government has too many interests.
Yah to many interests that do NOTHING to help it's own damn people! Makes me sick!
@@witchywomen6650 Oh they did things. They disarmed and made defense a crime. The border should be manned by private property and militias. Thats it. They would take care of the problem.
@daveonezero6258 not that easy especially with those tunnels.
The US military couldn't even defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Politicians lost that as always.
It did for 20 years
@@TruthTeller8888please explain how it defeated them for 20 years. Do you have a different vocabulary definition for the word defeat? How is defeated an ongoing continuous verb, why didn't I just pick one of those 20 years and defeat them and be done with it why did it take all the other years and why isn't it still defeated then?
Democrats don't let the US win wars.
@SAR0311 what do you mean defeat? They can't stay there forever so are no wars ever won since as soon as you leave they can regrow? The US border is our home. We ain't going nowhere that's why Big difference
Keep doing this please
The real life version of "Clear and Present Danger"
I do think they should be able to do so but I dont see how its possible but they need to start right here at home and get them out of our cities. They already have taken over across the US
How long will that last?
First, you think the person the country I mean the agency is going to allow that? Hell no!!!!! The CIA created the cartels in Mexico to fund their black operations. U think they'll allow this to happen? Nope!! U think the CIA don't know what is going on? Come on!! The CIA e killed Kiki camarena cause he got too close..
Thats the logical answer but no they dont want that, what they want is troops in mexico because its realy not about the drugs, its about control of mexico and its resources
@@lobo-uh2tb unfortunately. They really do need to do something about the drugs tho. I do think part of the problem is that the ppl who use them dont face any real consequences. Like in other countries where the legal trouble is super serious life in jail for having them they dont have this od epidemic.
The president already has the power to deploy any branch of both state and federal military personnel anywhere in the country. You've just got to grow a pair. The problem with that strategy would also have to include going after black gangs, and then organized crime. Suddenly you'd have 50,000 military troops converging in Las Vegas and everything would go to hell. 😂😂😂
The National Guard has been slacking for some time now
Legend has it their berets just wanna get it wet and are even in la famillia
Freeloaders?
Governors have been slacking for some time now.
It’s not the soldiers fault its the governors for not utilizing them properly
Bro the government is in business with the cartels, the organization is worth so much $$. If the government wasn't doing deals and making $ they would be shutting it all down. But the fact that its now operating in our cities says something loud and clear
Clear them out of local cities, more like swat teams, more deputies sheriff's ,make posse in each city. Close boarder. Securing the boarder is a must. If millitary is brought in as a mentor, until other option needed.
If they're that embedded in the U.S...... Maybe that's a threat that needs addressing immediately.
Maybe it's just to distract you that Izrael opened the borders in the US and Europe
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Deportation
bunch of clueless amerikkkans
Yes, the drug addicts are "embedded" in the US! Theres NO NEED to address that, just keep allowing drug use please!
It's derinately a serious national security threat.
No it's a waste of resources and will only create a rift between two countries that need each other for financial security. Jus legalize and tax everything. Demand dictates the market.
Mexico has already been completely over taken.. there was something like 40+ assasinations in the lead up to their most recent presidential election. That whole country has fallen and is captured
Human trafficking is the issue not drugs
Dumbest comment I've ever read
@@victorygarden556 If the US wants to curb human trafficking they need to invest in the root causes for the emigration from their home countries. As they said a multi-tool would be needed to solve this crisis. Most likely legalizing drug use and moving production of these substances into the US would be the best bet. Legalized production under regulations and taxes would completely remove the need for drug smuggling routes which are currently conveniently effective for human trafficking side hustles for these cartels. Additionally, it will remove demand for drug manufacturing away from central and southern American countries, this would in turn reduce the footprint of cartels there and therefore make it safer for potential emigrants to stay in their countries instead of going to the US.
@@manuelflores5093 we have the biggest underground slave market in the entire world. The demand is for sex slavery. Otherwise I hear you
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Good discussion. The size of this problem has blown up in every direction.
Not only is the Mexican government corrupt, our own government is as well.
We all know that cartels have bought influence in state and local governments and the legal profession.
Then to think of, let’s say 2% of the 10,000,000 illegals are soldiers, that’s 200,000 men!
We could have anarchy the likes of which we’ve never seen.
Thank you thank you thank you
You live 60 miles from the Canadian border..
Then you know, or you the one introducing fentanilo across the Canadian border? To naive!!
Get the acronym SAS out of your mouth! Kidding.
Then solution is ending drug prohibition guys. Not that difficult to understand.
The amount of corruption that would come to light would be crazy
To all men standing up to the evil regime and all that threatens this great nation I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I love and pray for everyone of you. ❤ I have a young son and have lost so many people I grew up with rhat have died from fentanyl. Give the American people the authority to defend themselves against foreign and illegal threats. Thats why we have a national gaurd in every state. Law enforcement and more.
Something has to be done about corruption in your own government first.
Not first but happening simultaneously.
the U.S military couldnt even defeat farmers and goat herders in flip flops imagine what the cartels will do to them 😂😂😂😂
This goofy old attempt at propaganda falls flat...simple understanding of things defeats your silly little attempt at shit talking anonymously online lmao there's gotta be truth in the shit ur saying for it to mean anything otherwise like this comment it looks desperate especially with the emojis its the universal butthurt symbol
The US Military won in every tactical level in Afghanistan. However on the strategic level they lost in every way as well. Due to political leadership
Cartels are few drone job …
@@Becarhodzic people think bad pullout after 20 years of war is all about.
The Taliban are flourisjing like never before, so it was a waste of 20 years of military resource for nothing.
Its overwhelmingly a question of will, if you do not have the will to succeed don't do it. When over 200,000 of our kids have been murdered, at what point so you care enough to stop it? We have as a country seemingly cared about terrorists everywhere but home.
When someone chooses to put a drug into their own body I wouldn’t call that murder
3:17 that right there Mike Glover. The solution needs to involve all countries affected
Let's just do nothing, working out terrificly.
Sounds like two guys who have spent the last twenty years losing a war against some 7th century goat herders
The war was not lost it was abandoned.
Sound like that to me too. From México. Dont Buy drugs guys!!!
@@absolutechad8805because we lost. Lol. We failed to accomplish our goal. Hence the loss
@@lu-bo6yhDid we? Cuz I'm pretty sure the CIA still controls those poppy fields...
@@SIX6SIXer you're wrong. There aren't many poppy fields left. Why do you think so many people are using synthetic opiates now?
The cost benefit analysis was 42 million on just Arizona alone. Millions die from the cartels impact. So yes. We need to do something
Yeah they need to get rid of them!
You guys should also talk about the economic impact on the United States , Mexico is Americas biggest trading partner.
This is gotta be something really to consider.
The United States has invested trillions of dollars on manufacturing in Mexico.
Absolutely yes
Short answer is yup.
No one has the stomach for what needs to be done. Not with this problem....not with any problem.
You guys went into this discussion from well-informed positions. I agree very much with the positions you’ve presented. Figure out a way to include former Sec State Mike Pompeo in a future round table on this subject. THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO GET IS GET OUR OWN HOUSE BACK IN ORDER. Corruption in Mexico is, indeed, an issue, but we’ve got our own. I think an “Edward Landsdale” approach would be a good place to start with Mexico, however, along with the offer of applications LTC H. John Poole (Tequila Junction) recommended in terms of strategy and tactics. The big issue to overcome is that the Mexican people, when stirred up by politicians who really don’t care for anything but their vote, will have major problems with US troops on their soil. It ultimately might not hurt to, at least, in theory to have a big stick in the closet if certain governments continue to choose to be ineffective, but US boots on the ground should be a last resort. When Mexican citizens realize they’re free to enjoy Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and cartel members and other criminals realize they are not, then things might change for the better.
That is why I like JD Vance and Mr Trump Trump is number one in my book he is a good businessman he knows what to do God is with you guys Trump I pray for you everyday
Stop the demand and consumption and supply would take care of itself
What a concept nobody's ever thought of that before, is that the best you got for solutions? If so you should go back to blowing bubbles. Americans love drugs… Americans are always going to love drugs… Welcome to freedom town.
This is not an easy question to answer. It takes a very sophisticated analysis to come up with a viable solution.
This would prolly increase recruitment rates.
Great conversation that needs to be had. The government failed to secure our border and now there needs to be diplomatic interventions to solve the issues that came from that. I agree that this issue cannot be solved with guns blazing and playing a game of wack a mole. We need a diplomatic plan and our military/ police need support to clean things up swiftly. Thank you guys!
Seems like it would be really hard to go from being coworkers to suddenly being at war with each other.
Why not find the boats before they make port in Mex? In international waters.
Yea we should just give the cartels all the money and power they want and realize they're too mean for us to beat.
Great measured conversation, remember that the cartels TODAY have TOP LEVEL MILITARY HARDWARE and know how to use it. Think ARMOR, TANKS, MISSILES, etc.
They should take care of local cartels, I don’t think drugs consumers get their share by Amazon , maybe focus on stopping school mass shootings , the homeless than they can worry about the neighbors issues .
It would obviously require a three or four tier approach: that's after assessment of the situation.
Do a little look into El Salvador