Mexico has the 15th largest economy in the world. About the same size as Australia and Spain. Not a poor country at all. The poverty is because of internal corruption and conditions.
It's a mix of corrupt politicians, low wages, corruption in police, drug cartels, harsh gun laws, international influences (china is buying up land like crazy and major influencers due to wanting to get close to America's boarders and have a jump point if necessary), CIA influence and many other reasons. Saying a country is struggling do to one factor is crazy talk. Look at the big picture.
When people describe a country as poor it doesn’t necessarily mean in total gdp figures but in gdp per capita figures. Norway, Switzerland, UAE, Denmark, all have smaller gdps but are considered rich because they have very high gdp per capita.
Break one big cartel. 100 small ones form. Just like in Chicago, the police broke up the gangster disciples then the black disciples and now you can’t count the number of gangs.
JFC it might get even more harder to put down than ISIS since they can recruit people faster and pay better bcuz the younger generations in the USA are becoming more vulnerable.
These gangs formed because the criminals were the only ones with access to guns. The law abiding citizens did not thanks to idiotic policies that punish those who seek only to protect themselves. Thats why in the US crime is low. Except for cities that are antigun.
McLuvin i would buy that in a heartbeat. I’d love a Mercenaries game that takes place in Iraq during the invasion and you play as some Merc with an arsenal at your disposal.
3 years later Mexico nationalized their lithium, and now legislation is being presented to designate cartels as a terrorist group. Crazy how on point this was!
@@webtheweb Couse he clearly a mexican-american, trained by us forces. Its like playing and winning with the best team Couse u have all the good players. My point is that he is still talking nonesense Couse he can do it from that position. If u want to tell stories about Cartels u have to do it like sean pence style. Not this guy with videos of streets and armored cars. Wtf.
@IVEY 96 believe me joe knows his lane he aint even being disrespectful..but the thruth is how is the suppose number 1 country letting rheir neighbors be like this
Ask any Mexican, they have more interesting and real stories about the cartels, but yea you won't believe them.. Especially when you find out that american government is working with them..🔯👿
A lot of people don’t know this but there is a large population of Chinese ppl living in Mexico. There are Chinese ppl that speak Spanish and live there and identify as Mexican also!
Yeah chinese people buy property in foreign lands, move in and start pumping out little calculators. And the property they own is partially owned by the Chinese government. Not good for non chinese
Hes not saying anything specifically that isnt just common knowledge if you read a bit. It just sounds groundbreaking because he cuts to the core and has lived it. Being on "Joe Rogan" does not make the target on his head bigger than it already was by fighting against the Narcos. If anything he could live longer in a hostage situation, he has a value alive.
The Mexican military is able to defeat the cartels, the problem is the laws, the cartels here in Mexico are considered "Civilians", so the military are very limited (Because of that the government created the "Guardia Nacional", they don't want the army in the streets), the only way that our army and navy can defeat them, is to change their status to "terrorist" or "insurgents", then the Mexican military can end with them (At least make them feeble enough that they won't create more problems). I don't support the American intervention, it only would make the things worse, the Americans are not get used to have a proxy war, and the cartels are sadistic and are between the people, it would be like Vietnam but very worst, for both Americans and Mexicans.
I really like listening to Ed talk about whats going on in Mexico. He is extremely intelligent and is able to describe the situation down there perfectly so simpletons like myself can understand what he's trying to convey.
I am Mexican and he doesn’t understand what is going on. He basically says that the government is loosing to the cartels and that is inaccurate. I will give you a quick explanation. The actual president created a new political movement supposedly, he was a candidate and lost two times before until he legitimately won this last election. Now the question is how do you finance 15 years of political campaigns, well he was financed by the cartels, mostly el chapo. And so today we have a president running favors for the cartels who has a policy not to shoot on them called “abrazos no balazos” and the cartels are running the country with full liberty and the cops or anyone who opposes is completely unarmed in all legal matters to take action, making them very vulnerable to the point that it is better for them to take money than to do their job. Now for most that has been the easiest choice since as he says and he is actually 100 percent correct, we have a culture of corruption and so it works perfect for everyone, crooks and authorities. In that podcast he talks about what happened with el chapos son, and how they crushed the military and that is also incorrect. The Mexican army has the strength in numbers and vehicle advantage to crush the cartels any day they want, is not that they can’t it’s that they don’t want to. Go see the videos of el Culiacánazo and yes you will see a lot of armed criminals taking over the city but look at it with objectively and you would say they were about 1000 to 2000 armed narcs and the Mexican army counts with more than 600 thousand units with thanks and choppers. They just stood and watch because that is what they were ordered to do. Of course all those units were not there but if you really wanted to do something that day, close they city and bring in 100 thousand of them and search for everyone, and no one leaves their homes until they capture most. You do that that day and you dismantled all the Culiacán cartel. But they didn’t do that did they
I’ve always said this, americas humanitarian aid should almost ALL be directed towards our Mexican brothers. After all, their constitution is beautifully written, like ours. And they are amazing people, and we have more in common culturally with Mexico, than ANY other country. I also think that the majority of legal immigrants should be coming from Mexico. Helping Mexico=Helping USA. Also, a war worth fighting would be wiping those bastards (cartels) off the face of the planet.
@@bl1tzillaaa in my hometown in Idaho (much closer to Canada), the population is about 30% Mexican. That means they travelled all the way up here to make a better life. I’ve met maybe 5 Canadians that emigrated from their home country to my hometown, probably less. Just seems like you guys don’t really have the desire to come here because your country is governed better. Also, I see our countries as basically having the same culture with some differences here and there. I guess that’s why I overlooked you guys in my comment.
That billy badass mentality feels good but almost always causes more harm than good, like beating a TV to make it work. When you see that enemy, don't charge them, you may get your ass kicked yourself. Instead, take away their power. Drugs should be a social and health issue, not a criminal one. American society is structured to punish the poor and addicted, perpetuation an endless cycle instead of breaking it. Fuck, the US government literally gave Chicago to the Sinaloa cartel. Thanks to their partnership the Feds wiped out Sinaloa's competition and they now run about 80% of the drugs and guns in the city. The "war on drugs", same as any war on a concept, is designed to fail
The USA marines doesn't want smoke with the cartels because even tho the USA more powerful the cartels are hella RICH and hella SMART they wouldn't go after the Marines cuz they don't have that much power but they would go after their families and American people and making them feel unsafe and the last thing the USA wants is it's people feeling unsafe in their own country.
@@TrapAntz do not ever underestimate a major super power you are quite exaggerating I believe because if that was to happen more then likely the US wouid bomb Mexico to ashes due to the fact they have large Air Force capabilities.
Or they wouid send troops to Mexico and make Mexico look like a shithole which nobody wants to happen but at the same time how do you stop the fucking cartel from cutting off peoples heads and shipping drugs that kills people everyday. People are tired of when going to Mexico and having to watch the streets like eagles to ensure no criminal pos sneaks up on you !
It simply requires the US to end the drug war and instead provide its citizens with education and assistance. Move the billions off the black market and the cartel nearly goes out of business. This isn’t that complicated
@@nation360bd they are also into the human trafficking illegal mining gun running kidnapping extortion which causes some of its citizens to flee and try to get to the U.S.
@@Topagendadolla legalizing weed makes sense. But coke? Meth? Heroin? Idk bro, these drugs have no upsides, only pain and addiction, there are fs other ways to deal with this other than legalization
@@indiowoods3160 than you will forever have cartels, gang violence, and massive crime rates. If we legalized and controlled hard drugs like alcohol we can control the majority of the results and we don’t fund shady people who have weapons the size of small armies running around our cities.
@@Topagendadolla think u missed my point. I was saying soft drugs are fine, alc, nicotine and weed but legalizing hard drugs like heroin and meth wouldn’t help the problem
I have heard stories of what these cartels do to people and it is horrendous! Cutting mothers heads off while the children watch and boiling human beings alive in oil! It's just sick I'm just glad I grew up where I am, it's a sick way to live
The Mexican and American government would work together to stop the Cartels. Not only would it save hundreds of thousands of American and Mexican lives but it would liberate Mexico. The War on Terror was too big to handle, and politics got in the way. Also, the UN abandoned the US. If the UN invested as much as we did during the War on Terror, it would have been over in 2010. Cartels aren't nearly as well equipped as insurgent fighters. Insurgents grew up making bombs and killing eachother. Cartels grew up shooting other gangs, they have no concept of guerilla or conventional warfare.
As a Mexican I feel the depth and weight of Ed's words. Only us who grew up there and have had the misfortune of experiencing at least some of this real shit know Mexico is doom, any hope left I had was disintegrated after AMLO won. Things are only gonna get tougher and rougher and the cartel isn't stopping Mexico's future, its the ignorance of my people.
Pretty accurate, i grew up in a border city and all of his stories just hit so close. AMLO as a president basically means do whatever tf you want and i won’t bother you, his strategy against violence is literally saying HUGS NOT GUNS. Guy is a fucking joke
As a Mexican American who has constantly moved from Mexico and America all my life there's something Ed is not telling you. His English is too fluent to be learned in Mexico. I know hundreds of people just like him. He clearly was an Illegal as a child and went back in his early teens. He's probably not saying it because of the backlash. I literally have friends whos parents took them to the US at the age of 2 and came back by the age of 11. And they speak just like Ed but don't have papers. But he still grew up in Mexico. It's very common
@@rake1087 yea you're right all the mexicans that Ik have a heavy accent on English for a long time. His English sounds like he's been here for a long time.
@@311-y7f yep an accent can't be learned. Mimicked maybe but not learned. I had the luxury of literally growing up in both countries so I have a Native American Accent speaking English and a Native Mexican accent speaking Spanish. It's not that I learned it, but just how I grew up. When someone speaks Spanish who didn't grew up in the US I can tell right away. Non native English speakers learn the grammar but not the actual speech, I can't really put it into words. The only way I can describe it is it doesn't sound natural
It’s actually pretty chill, the thing with the drug war is that it is very location based, there are certain zones that you don’t want to go at all, but most of Mexico is a paradise.
@@sergiogonzalez7391 except those crimes you mentioned involve other people. Doing drugs just involve yourself. It is easy to tell people not to do drugs of course. But im curious, why do you think people do drugs and end up getting addicted?
These are local kings of their lands with their own customs and laws. When you visit these lands you respect the people and the culture and nothing will happen. True outsiders cannot understand this.
To solve the problem we have to acknowledged why its viable for a billion dollar drug industry to exist. It is because of bad medical systems in the U.S. where doctors don't have time to cure a patient instead they prescribe drugs to limit affects because hospitals and clinics are packed and doctors are needed but there's a shortage due to expensive education. Mexico has to blame corruption from the top of its government to the bottom for its poverty but drugs only sell if theirs a buyer and its #1 customer is the USA
Mexico can learn from Georgia, a former Soviet republic, used to the be the most corrupt and crime ridden of all the republics in the USSR, but then Michael Saakashvili comes to ppower and look at it now!!! a miracle happened.
i'm mexican and i stayed for 1 month in Georgia in 2019 and honestly i think that path won't resovle the issues down here. The crime and corruption of Georgia was sort of normal here in Mexico also, but since i was a kid the things have gone wild. Poberty and corruption don't explain the sadistic and bizarre violence of mexico.
master DOGE Yes, it was one or few countries at the beginning, then escalated to full blown war, funding some groups here, some there, then you get Al-Qaeda, ISIS, you go from a Democratic progressive country as Iran was to a Theocracy. Just look into the history of the American Government and Corporations in Latin America, that’s enough reason to leave us alone. America isn’t the World police, and it shouldn’t be, its trials in doing so *(Besides WWII)* have made the world a worse place.
@master DOGE im 100 percent sure that 100 percent of the military power would need to include.. You know... 100 percent. There could be a million branches and youd still need all million to be 100 percent of them. Youre an idiot.
My brother got murder in Mexico Nayarit went for a few months on vacation in 2011 of March he was 22 years old at the time I was 17 myself. Born in San Jose CA us did not want to help out Mexican government didn't even pick up the shell casings from the ak47 All we could do is pray for him 🙏🤞😏
An intervention in Mexico would be a blind man’s bluff. The US would become embroiled in yet another asymmetric war where the nature of the conflict would handicap American military might. The US would prioritize limiting collateral damage and every time the US increase the intensity of their operations, the cartel members would just spread false propaganda to the people and turn them away from the American effort. The US would be seen as invaders rather than liberators and the quasi marshal plan to reconstruct Mexico would fall short just like it did in Afghanistan. An intervention would be the worst blunder any American head of state could make.
Ed Calderon is one of the best guests I've seen on JR. This is a real eye-opener on Mexico and its future relationship with the US. The US War on Drugs has been devastating in so many ways. Legalization is the sane option. Which means the US won't do it. I can't help but wonder how things like climate change and extreme automation (robots, advanced AI) are going to effect the seeming inevitability of "civil war and US boots on the ground." Lots of variables in the mix.
Legalization of drugs will happen eventually. It is a self defeating fight anyway, breeding the exact opposite of what it promises. Too bad that stuck up bible thumpers still put more stock on after school specials than on the grim reality, when it comes to that shit.
The Cartels are a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later; the longer you wait the worse it becomes. I'm not a fan of sending troops into Mexico especially since Mexico is already in a fragile state, if the plan isn't very well thought out and comprehensive then it will only fuck up Mexico more and the problem will come back. The DEA can't do much cuz they must use traditional law enforcement tactics; however, send the military and they will be well.....less gentle and they will be much more effective at getting intel. The only thing is, say we cripple the cartels in Mexico and push them out of the area, how would we build Mexico into a more stabilized nation and prevent the cartels from coming back. You need to arrest a lot of people down there, and you need to create opportunities for people down there so growing up they have more options to choose what they want to be and not feel like the cartel is the only way. This whole thing would need to be well planned out in precise detail before even sending troops because we don't want Mexico going down the route of Iraq in 2004, this plan would require a HUGE amount of resources, money, and manpower that the US needs to be fully ready to commit too before they even consider it. Honestly, I'm not even sure an armed intervention would succeed but I can't see any other option to combat them at this point. Honestly I would go with sending in the JSOC and other special ops first and let them go to work and gather intel on how the operations work, you at least need to know how the enemy operates before you can begin to consider sending in forces of ground troops. The thing is you would need to find a way to do this without it becoming a full-on war zone and destroying the countries stability. I don't know what other options are left to effectively combat them.
@@spicyalpastor3310 the military effort would not be the problem. The problem would be finding a way to permanently maintain the peace after the operation; thats the part that would require the most planning.
The Mexican Government could crush the cartel without much trouble but the problem is corruption and the amount of civilian lives that would be lost which would not be worth it
The problem with legalizing hard drugs is that eliminating the cost of dealing with law enforcement will bring down the cost of drugs which means more consumption of drugs.
@@bruhbutwhytho Nothing good ever comes out of people with heavy drugs freely in their possession. Regulation is not a solution either because there's always limitations that create illegal demand so i'm guessing there's no solution at all.
True. If U.S gets involved we might have another Afghanistan or syria better less Iraq, Japan, vietnam, Cuba. Truth is U.S. helps but it doesn’t make up for the shit it leaves unfortunatly :/
@@albertov137 Why you get so offended😂 But it's true though, something might happen that might destabilize it so much though, The way its heading and growing its gonna reach a breaking point
@@angellol5067 it already hit its breaking point. that's why a new political party won the mexican presidential elections and is now perfectly handling the situation.
I really hate the "legalize all drugs" argument. Not because it isn't correct. It IS correct. Just from a libertarian point of view its the correct thing to do. I hate that argument because there is no "afterwards" to it. It just assumes the cartels will go, "oh well our revenue has been chopped in half, lets all go get legit jobs now". Nobody thinks like that. They'll find a new racket, they already have new rackets.
it's true that they'll find something else to make money from, but legalizing drugs would still cut off a massive part of their income that would be nearly impossible to replace. if smartphones were made illegal, companies like apple would focus more of their energy on other products and ways to earn money, but would be much less powerful than before, no matter how hard they tried to regain that power.
the black market still exists in California because of two reasons. even though weed was legalized, there is still an absurd amount of regulations on the production and sale of it which raises the price, pushing people to buy it illegally. additionally, the vast majority of other states haven't legalized it yet, which causes people to grow weed in California to sell in other states. the first problem could be solved by gradually loosening the regulations over time, and the second problem would be solved by federal legalization.
I have always loved Mexico and the people. I spent a large part of the 90’s camping and surfing all up and down Baja and mainland Mex. I would bring my kids uses Little League baseball equipment. Giant bags of clothes that my kids never wore. I love the Mexican people and their culture and food. A special group of people. It’s no joke why they want to come here. I get it.
They have been betrayed by their government, and are held captive by crime. We have to overthrow their government. Decapitate their government. Just set it up secretly and drive on through.
A guy I grew up with, he’s from Sinaloa, always travels back and forth from the US to his hometown. He and his brothers have always been known for having these expensive jewelry pieces, they’re always posting pictures of them with rifles but they’re faces are covered. He’s in the police academy, or in some type of law enforcement program. Not sure what his motives are but it seems odd
No it’s wasn’t it’s was the DEA back then there was only one cartel the Jalisco cartel that was made by all the other cartel so that’s what was keeping the cartel in check but then the DEA came in poking their nose in Mexican affair and broke that cartel up and how we have around like 20 different once so thank the USA for what’s happening in Mexico right now
Correct only reason we stopped fighting the border was becuase of ww1 dont forget only months before ww1 the us military had boots in mexico city looking for Zapata
I love my home country and many others that leave Mexico do to but looking back at it and seeing the state it is in is just sad. I pray Mexico and Mexicans get better as a country and as a people.
If the US focused all its military resources on a war with all of the cartels, yes, they would eventually win. But the collateral damage would be on a scale never seen in history. Both sides are extremely proficient in military tactics. Both sides are highly organized. Both sides dont have a lack of volunteers to fight. And most of all, both sides have deep pockets, which can keep funding a war for a long time. Sidenote: the cartel wouldnt only fight on their turf. They would bring the war to American streets.
@@jp__878 i dont think the cartels would care if American citizens opposed them. Yes, America would send tanks, attack choppers and the like. But do not discount the bad guy's ability to acquire the same. There are enough rouge nations out there that would love to help them stick it to America. Anti-american groups would form and help America, yes, but that goes the other way too. Cartels would have help from anti american groups. I dont think America would bum rush the cartels. Casualties would be massive. We are talking about numbers that would wipe out entire populations. And perception during war is everything. America wouldnt risk getting dragged in the media for sending a battalion of tanks on foreign soil to bum rush the cartels. Lastly, you can bet your bottom dollar attacks would make it to US streets. And when that happens, Americans will be at 1600 Pennsylvania ave demanding the US withdraw. Imagine a scene where the cartels blow up Walmarts, and malls and football stadiums during games. Americans would be in an uproar.
@@jp__878 I served two deployments in Baghdad as an infantryman at the height of the war. I understand our military prowess. But you cannot discount the capabilities of psychopaths. Thats what we would be dealing with, psychopaths. Pablo Escobar put a bomb on a plane and brought it down. He bombed hundreds of innocent people in Medellin, children included. That was 30 years ago. Since then their military might has increased, and so has their viciousness. At the slightest sound of military intervention in their country, stadiums here in America will fall.
@@zenou-samaIV did you even keep up? We had control of every city in days. The problem was eradicating an enemy that could be anyone. We kicked them out but we could not keep them out as they came in civilian clothes and in small groups.
This is the way it works ,,Mexico extorts the cartels.. Then you got the US government that's making the money off of sticking people in prison .making you pay all these fines and jail time for a gram of cocaine... They steal the taxpayers money.. Look up all the private prisons that exist in the United States
@@headeyes3622 you're stupid , these people have been working on these jobs for a long time.. they got their retirements coming, they got their social security coming ,,they got benefits. And that's not even counting all the taxes the government takes from their paychecks..
@@headeyes3622 things are not as easy as you try to make them seem. The judicial system would collapse. Prisons would close.. There would be less cops needed The money they make from all the drug bust they do. And that's just off the top of my head
Legalize drugs without regulation?! WOW! A nation further building a society and environment filled with mentally unstable drug addicts screaming and running in the middle of streets, heart attacks, rapid loss of jobs, education quality falls, teenage drug pandemic worsens, cocaine crazed freaks randomly assaulting people at night, and list goes on "BUT WHAT ABOUT REGULATION?!!" Well if that's the case there will be limitations, therefore illegal demand will still exist and the war on drugs will continue.
Why are we still having this conversation you can’t stop the drug trade where there is demand the supply will come. Only answer is to legalize and regulate
I'd like to see a state or two completely decriminalize all drugs, the possession, sale, etc, and see what happens. Would usage go thru the roof, or would it be mostly limited to the people who would use anyway? What about things like car accidents by high drivers? Or ODs? Just what would all the butterfly effects be? I'd like to see it on a small scale before we did it on a federal level.
theres tons of places out there. The benefits are not as great as you propose. Of course there is less crime. But society really isnt improved that much
Can’t do that I live in San Diego ca, we just got infested with homeless from other states because we give out free bus and trolley passes to the homeless for a year so they can look for work and also health care paid by the race payers of course. There is not a single park fast food place where a homeless is tweeting or shooting up heroin, I saw a homeless pick up a used needle you see them shitting in the streets and the cops walking by them because it’s that bad. Every park any place with woods you’ll find needles and shanty towns.
@Bob Smith Your missing my point. Portugal is a common decriminilization of all drugs case and even the experts leading the policy themselves said people mistake decriminilization by itself to be a naively simple fix. They did much more than decriminilization. Look up how china fixed their opium epidemic. It wasaint just decriminilization by itself.
If US legalize drugs, either they must import it from the cartel or set up local production. And the legal drugs will be regulated, taxed and probably limiting the consumption. When you limit the consumption, the consumer will buy the illegal one from across the border. Not to mention the cartel would sell it in lower price to compete. So there will be no end.
Legalization of drugs will make everything imaginable 100X worse. There will always be the strive for more just like you said, but regardless it will force Cartels to increase everything as there is now an even more massive market to hit. They will become larger and stronger and hold even more power and money. It is a trickle down effect that he isn't seeing.
@@bruhbutwhytho You're basically enabling the situation on Kensington Avenue up in Philly. Is that the type of environment you want to create all over the U.S?
@@subtleprelude2400 in Kingston the drugs are all very risky, used unsafely and it also attracts more people to come there to commit crimes. It could be a lot . More like Portugal or other European countries.
In Guanajuato during vacation I remember rumors of an extreme group of people tired of drugs that randomly go shooting people late at night because they believe only drug dealers are the ones outside. Was hard for me to walk outside for me without the idea of death in the back of my head unless there was a party or some sort of event late at night
@@anon2427 also seems a lot of people here in the states don't understand drugs and addiction, and think that decriminalizing is the the same as legalizing. I'm looking through comments and the stupidity of people amazes me. "Just stop doing drugs, it's that simple", "You all have weed already, you don't need meth and heroin as well" it's sad.
@@JohnDoeTheGoodGuy I will compare it to prohibition. It is prohibition. There was a time when a kid could run down the the drug store and buy heroin, meth, cocaine and other stuff. Those were the "good ol' days". The danger is prohibition and the profits that create the violence and dark markets which create adulterated substances. prohibition.diggndeeper.com/
The original Zetas were a group of ex Mexican Special Forces, in the beginnings they just hired ex military personnel, they hired mercenaries from all over the world, and they have a preference for Khaibiles Guatemalan Special Forces.
@@Adam-lz7sr Portugal is not America. Americans are fucking crazy because it's a free country, it's that simple. There's a huge difference in political environment and culture, and the teenage drug pandemic is still in a bad state. Imagine the things that will happen in the U.S if those heavy drugs become legal without any sort of regulation. Yeah exactly, what could go wrong??
I mean they kinda are look at japan germany South Korea france the list goes on and on The U.S or it's military aren't always good but aren't always bad either
@@tetraxis3011 No there's more for instance Kuwait. Taiwan. Bosnia. India and Pakistan. and now Ukraine I'm heavily critical of US foreign policy and almost totally against interventionism but this idea that the US has been entirely negative regarding it's foreign influence and strategy is simple untrue while the US certainly has been very bad and even imperialist in it's interventionism and global interference and should by all means be held accountable and to a higher standard absolutely but to say that they haven't had any effect in establishing peace or stopping aggression like the original commentator said is uninformed and wholly untrue For anyone to say otherwise I invite you to speak with people who lived through the first gulf war Iraqi invasion and the Bosnian genocide TLDR the United States of America is a bad guy but it's by no means the worst guy out there and it actuality has helped many people kinda like the USSR and China no country is wholly evil or wholly good their all at the mercy of their current regimes and cultural influences
I’ve seen el mencho after his release in jail at villa purificacion Jalisco, look it up. But the power they hold is scary in that small village..we are all hushed by them.
My mom is getting her citizenship soon and she wants to move to Mexico to live with my grandma but we don't want to because the cartels don't let you live a normal life
This is exactly what happens in Brazil. Drug trafficking controls social stability in the favelas. Where the government has abandoned people, cartels have taken over.
Sooo Oregon is legalizing hard drugs now. Makes you wonder where the Cartels are gonna make their money if local US based drug manufacturers are free to make it. Cheaper local drugs vs foreign? I feel like that's a whole other issue
I think it's more than just that. I think them military contractors is just waiting to get their advanced weapons out them warehouses and ready for mexico. *Cough* Raytheon.
The US only bombed Iran after they killed a contractor. Not after they made threats, blew places up, or killed our soldiers. Says it all about our interests
Mexico has the 15th largest economy in the world. About the same size as Australia and Spain. Not a poor country at all. The poverty is because of internal corruption and conditions.
Yeah basically all the cartels and corrupt govt officials from Mexico and the US keep the large sums of money that Mexico produces
waterzap99 I’m Mexican and sadly, you’re correct
It's a mix of corrupt politicians, low wages, corruption in police, drug cartels, harsh gun laws, international influences (china is buying up land like crazy and major influencers due to wanting to get close to America's boarders and have a jump point if necessary), CIA influence and many other reasons. Saying a country is struggling do to one factor is crazy talk. Look at the big picture.
By it's own people since childhood. Politicians won't came from the stars.
When people describe a country as poor it doesn’t necessarily mean in total gdp figures but in gdp per capita figures. Norway, Switzerland, UAE, Denmark, all have smaller gdps but are considered rich because they have very high gdp per capita.
Break one big cartel. 100 small ones form. Just like in Chicago, the police broke up the gangster disciples then the black disciples and now you can’t count the number of gangs.
JFC it might get even more harder to put down than ISIS since they can recruit people faster and pay better bcuz the younger generations in the USA are becoming more vulnerable.
Except gangs for pussies
@@82926ocram or kidnap people
These gangs formed because the criminals were the only ones with access to guns. The law abiding citizens did not thanks to idiotic policies that punish those who seek only to protect themselves. Thats why in the US crime is low. Except for cities that are antigun.
This is the problem the movie Sicario attempts to address
Grand Theft Auto: Sinaloa
edgar Rivera that would be crazy
McLuvin i would buy that in a heartbeat. I’d love a Mercenaries game that takes place in Iraq during the invasion and you play as some Merc with an arsenal at your disposal.
That would be a fucking bad ass game ...I wonder why haven't they made one about the carteles yet
more like battlefield Sinola !
I can totally picture that game would be in my head
3 years later Mexico nationalized their lithium, and now legislation is being presented to designate cartels as a terrorist group. Crazy how on point this was!
What's the correlation? They nationalized their oil in the 30's.
@@rh81454 because there's oil in the United States already, today lithium is being pushed more and more to make batteries for electric cars
@@RyderFromLosSantos Salton Sea . Nice try dude
@@RyderFromLosSantos 🤡🇲🇽👉🇪🇦🧔🍆
@@RyderFromLosSantos you guys don't even see a cent of the money hahahahaha extreme poverty and a Spanish name hahahahhahaha
how is this dude still alive to tell these stories? I just looked him up and he was involved in some serious shit against the cartels in Mexico
Yeeee he has no clue of what hes talking about.
@@robertorios9221 why would you say that?
@@webtheweb Couse he clearly a mexican-american, trained by us forces. Its like playing and winning with the best team Couse u have all the good players.
My point is that he is still talking nonesense Couse he can do it from that position.
If u want to tell stories about Cartels u have to do it like sean pence style. Not this guy with videos of streets and armored cars. Wtf.
Cause*
@Hyper Kin looks can be deceptive son.
And ur right about that one.
Ed is fantastic. His info and stories about Mexico and the cartels are so interesting. Love when Joe has him on.
@IVEY 96 believe me joe knows his lane he aint even being disrespectful..but the thruth is how is the suppose number 1 country letting rheir neighbors be like this
@@benjietorres9642 if Mexico doesnt want help from the USA then.........
He assumes alot, dont take everything he says as fact
You are stupid
Ask any Mexican, they have more interesting and real stories about the cartels, but yea you won't believe them.. Especially when you find out that american government is working with them..🔯👿
A lot of people don’t know this but there is a large population of Chinese ppl living in Mexico. There are Chinese ppl that speak Spanish and live there and identify as Mexican also!
Same in Argentina, they own convenience stores everywhere.
Yeah chinese people buy property in foreign lands, move in and start pumping out little calculators. And the property they own is partially owned by the Chinese government. Not good for non chinese
Mexichino
Who cares
So? There are large populations of foreigners in almost every country of the world
We need this guy back on this year
Forreal! I want his take of the CJNG rise and the alliances the other cartels have been doing lately.
This should be the next
Call Of Duty game.
Call Of Duty: Cartel Warfare.
I believe they already touch that with Black Ops 2.
Call of Juarez?
nah u need an open world game for that call up rockstar
@@jonelalexiscaroc7495
JOSEFIIINNNAAAAA!!!!
rockstar has a better chance of providing a good dame based on cartels
Kudos to this guy for having the guts to talk about it.
@Hyper Kin No but thanks for telling me. I got to check this out.
@Hyper Kin Right back at ya buddy, thanks.
Hes not saying anything specifically that isnt just common knowledge if you read a bit. It just sounds groundbreaking because he cuts to the core and has lived it. Being on "Joe Rogan" does not make the target on his head bigger than it already was by fighting against the Narcos. If anything he could live longer in a hostage situation, he has a value alive.
J he need to get his facts right tho
@@RaulDukeKnife nobody has any f*cking value for the cartels exempt for money exchange....
You pay the money and you get a foto of a pile of bones....
I forgot, the US Military has such a great track record of entering another country to bring about change
As a mexican i will not be mad if the us to take Mexico , well the only downside is the free health care
Whats your track record?
Lmao they try
Hell yeah USA 🇺🇸
Rypdx One word, Vietnam 🤣
The Mexican military is able to defeat the cartels, the problem is the laws, the cartels here in Mexico are considered "Civilians", so the military are very limited (Because of that the government created the "Guardia Nacional", they don't want the army in the streets), the only way that our army and navy can defeat them, is to change their status to "terrorist" or "insurgents", then the Mexican military can end with them (At least make them feeble enough that they won't create more problems).
I don't support the American intervention, it only would make the things worse, the Americans are not get used to have a proxy war, and the cartels are sadistic and are between the people, it would be like Vietnam but very worst, for both Americans and Mexicans.
Unforntunatly mex politicians make money with cartels
Finally, someone who has an idea of the situation.
This is what the Sicario movie is all about holy shit man... it is so true
Remember: the EZLN started their uprising and had an “insurgent” status. The EZLN was crushed in like a month.
The government is bought off. Its a multimillion/billion industry . It will not stop unfortunately unless theres no demand
I really like listening to Ed talk about whats going on in Mexico. He is extremely intelligent and is able to describe the situation down there perfectly so simpletons like myself can understand what he's trying to convey.
Not exactly accurate!
🤣🤣🤣 i bet you're not a simpleton
@Crackpipe stop smoking crack!
How you know it’s perfect if you don’t understand it
I am Mexican and he doesn’t understand what is going on. He basically says that the government is loosing to the cartels and that is inaccurate. I will give you a quick explanation. The actual president created a new political movement supposedly, he was a candidate and lost two times before until he legitimately won this last election. Now the question is how do you finance 15 years of political campaigns, well he was financed by the cartels, mostly el chapo. And so today we have a president running favors for the cartels who has a policy not to shoot on them called “abrazos no balazos” and the cartels are running the country with full liberty and the cops or anyone who opposes is completely unarmed in all legal matters to take action, making them very vulnerable to the point that it is better for them to take money than to do their job. Now for most that has been the easiest choice since as he says and he is actually 100 percent correct, we have a culture of corruption and so it works perfect for everyone, crooks and authorities. In that podcast he talks about what happened with el chapos son, and how they crushed the military and that is also incorrect. The Mexican army has the strength in numbers and vehicle advantage to crush the cartels any day they want, is not that they can’t it’s that they don’t want to. Go see the videos of el Culiacánazo and yes you will see a lot of armed criminals taking over the city but look at it with objectively and you would say they were about 1000 to 2000 armed narcs and the Mexican army counts with more than 600 thousand units with thanks and choppers. They just stood and watch because that is what they were ordered to do. Of course all those units were not there but if you really wanted to do something that day, close they city and bring in 100 thousand of them and search for everyone, and no one leaves their homes until they capture most. You do that that day and you dismantled all the Culiacán cartel. But they didn’t do that did they
The only way to stop this madness is to send in John J Rambo ...nuff said.
hondo2304 and John Wick
whoa, whoa what about Colonel Samuel “Sam” Richard Trautman??
There isn’t anyone of us who doesn’t wanna be here right now... but this is what we do; who we are. Live for nothing, or die for something.
If you do that
Remember one thing .... a good supply of body bags
hondo2304 Adrian!!! Wait... Sorry, wrong Stallone movie
Only rogue cartels will be taken out; the rest are assets.
Ali Ahmed like Taliban, ISIS, Iraq and Syria were taken out?
Lmao, you obviously don’t know shit about history
@@70mjc the fuck are you talking about?
@@Kajukota yeah wtf are u talking abt??
AlexRios45' what the fuck
70mjc wtf are you taking about idiot
I’ve always said this, americas humanitarian aid should almost ALL be directed towards our Mexican brothers. After all, their constitution is beautifully written, like ours. And they are amazing people, and we have more in common culturally with Mexico, than ANY other country. I also think that the majority of legal immigrants should be coming from Mexico. Helping Mexico=Helping USA. Also, a war worth fighting would be wiping those bastards (cartels) off the face of the planet.
Ever heard of canada
@@bl1tzillaaa yes, althoughCanada is doing significantly better don’t you think? But yes, Canada should be priority as well. We love guys
@@bl1tzillaaa in my hometown in Idaho (much closer to Canada), the population is about 30% Mexican. That means they travelled all the way up here to make a better life. I’ve met maybe 5 Canadians that emigrated from their home country to my hometown, probably less. Just seems like you guys don’t really have the desire to come here because your country is governed better. Also, I see our countries as basically having the same culture with some differences here and there. I guess that’s why I overlooked you guys in my comment.
@@bl1tzillaaa or maybe you’re referring to my comment about Mexico’s and USAs constitution? I was referring to the right to bear arms.
Ever heard of the U.K.?
when youre fighting a merciless brutal enemy, you return the favour. never act soft and weak towards him.
That billy badass mentality feels good but almost always causes more harm than good, like beating a TV to make it work. When you see that enemy, don't charge them, you may get your ass kicked yourself. Instead, take away their power. Drugs should be a social and health issue, not a criminal one. American society is structured to punish the poor and addicted, perpetuation an endless cycle instead of breaking it. Fuck, the US government literally gave Chicago to the Sinaloa cartel. Thanks to their partnership the Feds wiped out Sinaloa's competition and they now run about 80% of the drugs and guns in the city. The "war on drugs", same as any war on a concept, is designed to fail
The USA marines doesn't want smoke with the cartels because even tho the USA more powerful the cartels are hella RICH and hella SMART they wouldn't go after the Marines cuz they don't have that much power but they would go after their families and American people and making them feel unsafe and the last thing the USA wants is it's people feeling unsafe in their own country.
And then you cut the heads of its family
@@TrapAntz do not ever underestimate a major super power you are quite exaggerating I believe because if that was to happen more then likely the US wouid bomb Mexico to ashes due to the fact they have large Air Force capabilities.
Or they wouid send troops to Mexico and make Mexico look like a shithole which nobody wants to happen but at the same time how do you stop the fucking cartel from cutting off peoples heads and shipping drugs that kills people everyday. People are tired of when going to Mexico and having to watch the streets like eagles to ensure no criminal pos sneaks up on you !
It simply requires the US to end the drug war and instead provide its citizens with education and assistance.
Move the billions off the black market and the cartel nearly goes out of business.
This isn’t that complicated
I think USA needs to legalize all the drugs and produce it by themselves. That's the way, you can beat drug traffickers
You're so wrong. The cartel is not just drugs anymore.
@@ahealthybigmac wtf they do nowadays then
@@nation360bd they are also into the human trafficking illegal mining gun running kidnapping extortion which causes some of its citizens to flee and try to get to the U.S.
@@nation360bd some actually have Chinese backing. We dont need that right next door.
As long as there is demand there is always going to be someone who’s gonna supply. Is a never ending war. Most of the addicts are here in the USA
Legalize and tax it. We are funding central and South Americas instability.
@@Topagendadolla legalizing weed makes sense. But coke? Meth? Heroin? Idk bro, these drugs have no upsides, only pain and addiction, there are fs other ways to deal with this other than legalization
Agreed and that’s the problem
@@indiowoods3160 than you will forever have cartels, gang violence, and massive crime rates. If we legalized and controlled hard drugs like alcohol we can control the majority of the results and we don’t fund shady people who have weapons the size of small armies running around our cities.
@@Topagendadolla think u missed my point. I was saying soft drugs are fine, alc, nicotine and weed but legalizing hard drugs like heroin and meth wouldn’t help the problem
I have heard stories of what these cartels do to people and it is horrendous! Cutting mothers heads off while the children watch and boiling human beings alive in oil! It's just sick I'm just glad I grew up where I am, it's a sick way to live
US military intervention, yeah, that's always a great solution, it never went wrong.
shut up clown
The Mexican and American government would work together to stop the Cartels. Not only would it save hundreds of thousands of American and Mexican lives but it would liberate Mexico. The War on Terror was too big to handle, and politics got in the way. Also, the UN abandoned the US. If the UN invested as much as we did during the War on Terror, it would have been over in 2010. Cartels aren't nearly as well equipped as insurgent fighters. Insurgents grew up making bombs and killing eachother. Cartels grew up shooting other gangs, they have no concept of guerilla or conventional warfare.
Ludovico Fabris
the us got involved with Pablo, the us logistics are far greater then any or most other country’s, so idk what ur on
MegadethDude2001 We overthrew a country that had nothing to do with our terrorist problems. Why would anyone else help with that?
@@zakunick1 the US did not overthrow Iraq and Afghanistan. If we did they would both be peaceful nations by now.
6:10 talks about US military
Why would you skip the rest though?
thank you
Hank Fahly why would you sit through the boring parts dumbass
Chosennn oneee 🤣☠️
@@kashierr its not boring. If all this important tragic information is boring to you then you will have a hard time hard time in life kid.
Joe “acts like I don’t get my dmt from cartels” rogan
The cartel doesnt really deal heavily in DMT. You can get Ayahuasca for free in Mexico if you go to the right villages.
There isn't money to be made off DMT you uneducated swine. You can literally extract it with a basic understanding of chemistry and household items.
Lima’s Bean hut 🤣🤣
Im died when I saw this😂
@@nucleardancemoves255 me too. they were trying so hard to be witty but missed the mark by a mile. lol
As a Mexican I feel the depth and weight of Ed's words. Only us who grew up there and have had the misfortune of experiencing at least some of this real shit know Mexico is doom, any hope left I had was disintegrated after AMLO won. Things are only gonna get tougher and rougher and the cartel isn't stopping Mexico's future, its the ignorance of my people.
🤡
You're WRONG the previous party Pena Nieto, Cedillo, Fox, Salinas WERE CORRUPT and STOLE from their very own country!!!
Pretty accurate, i grew up in a border city and all of his stories just hit so close. AMLO as a president basically means do whatever tf you want and i won’t bother you, his strategy against violence is literally saying HUGS NOT GUNS. Guy is a fucking joke
@@jesusfreyre5039 you’re a prime example of ignorance.
No digas mmds esas van acá abajo
Crazy how well-spoken this man is seeing that he only came to the US very recently.
Border towns are like that
Its called a proper education
As a Mexican American who has constantly moved from Mexico and America all my life there's something Ed is not telling you. His English is too fluent to be learned in Mexico. I know hundreds of people just like him. He clearly was an Illegal as a child and went back in his early teens. He's probably not saying it because of the backlash. I literally have friends whos parents took them to the US at the age of 2 and came back by the age of 11. And they speak just like Ed but don't have papers. But he still grew up in Mexico. It's very common
@@rake1087 yea you're right all the mexicans that Ik have a heavy accent on English for a long time. His English sounds like he's been here for a long time.
@@311-y7f yep an accent can't be learned. Mimicked maybe but not learned. I had the luxury of literally growing up in both countries so I have a Native American Accent speaking English and a Native Mexican accent speaking Spanish. It's not that I learned it, but just how I grew up. When someone speaks Spanish who didn't grew up in the US I can tell right away. Non native English speakers learn the grammar but not the actual speech, I can't really put it into words. The only way I can describe it is it doesn't sound natural
The best way to truly hurt the cartels without firing a shot is to end the war on drugs...
They make more off himan trafficking than they ever did off drugs
Agreed
No the best way is to completely take the gloves off and green light assassin's. Make it so scary that noone wants to be the boss
@@nikolausphillips wouldn't work... as long as there's a high demand for drugs, there will ALWAYS be a supply
@@TheAnnoyingBoss i highly doubt that
Joe just seems so blown away by this. Like you just woke up and realized there's drug cartels in Mexico. LoL
Americans are not exposed to the realities of the cartels in mexico
@@EM3RALD0C1TY LoL
@@EM3RALD0C1TY Americans are not woken up to reality in general.
@Tuperwear lmfao cuz watching tv will show you everything you gotta know about mexico.. U dont even believe that pendejo.
He's been talking about it since like 2010 when his podcast first started...seemed like he was just blowj away by china setting up shop in mexico
Every story I hear about Mexico makes it sound like a DOOM game.
Nah, doom is actually fun, try to live here
It’s actually pretty chill, the thing with the drug war is that it is very location based, there are certain zones that you don’t want to go at all, but most of Mexico is a paradise.
@@grerook9427 that doesn't mean Cartels are the only problem
@@LyraRose012 of course not, however Mexico isn’t the war zone that it appears to be for outsiders.
@@grerook9427 The tourist resorts and attractions are great. Most other places in Mexico ranged from sketchy to straight up terrifying.
Educate then legalize that's the answer to drugs.
Then the profit will come way down
Or just don’t of drugs
Garrett Palmer if only solving every problem was that easy
Just don’t kill, just don’t steal, just don’t rape
For sure. Being legalized totally stopped the Opium Wars in China. Morons
@@sergiogonzalez7391 except those crimes you mentioned involve other people. Doing drugs just involve yourself. It is easy to tell people not to do drugs of course. But im curious, why do you think people do drugs and end up getting addicted?
This is like the best podcast ever when I watch the JRE it feels like I’m going to school and getting a degree in philosophy or something
One of the most difficult situations to deal with. Great talk.
These are local kings of their lands with their own customs and laws. When you visit these lands you respect the people and the culture and nothing will happen. True outsiders cannot understand this.
Imagine if Americans didnt crave and use drugs?
Someone said, Mexico doesn't have a drug problem, American does
“Mexico doesn’t have a drug problem” ok makes sense
"Imagine if Americans didn't crave and use drugs." Yeah all Americans do drugs all day, good one
@Jesus Christ Is salvation 😂😂
Yeah , & IF your Aunt had balls , she'd be your Uncle
Whoops , that might be possible nowadays dang nevermind ! HA
To solve the problem we have to acknowledged why its viable for a billion dollar drug industry to exist. It is because of bad medical systems in the U.S. where doctors don't have time to cure a patient instead they prescribe drugs to limit affects because hospitals and clinics are packed and doctors are needed but there's a shortage due to expensive education. Mexico has to blame corruption from the top of its government to the bottom for its poverty but drugs only sell if theirs a buyer and its #1 customer is the USA
Finding all that lithium in Sonora is a great motivator for US intervention and cartel “fighting”.
Mexico can learn from Georgia, a former Soviet republic, used to the be the most corrupt and crime ridden of all the republics in the USSR, but then Michael Saakashvili comes to ppower and look at it now!!! a miracle happened.
Georgia is a wonderful country 😀
i'm mexican and i stayed for 1 month in Georgia in 2019 and honestly i think that path won't resovle the issues down here. The crime and corruption of Georgia was sort of normal here in Mexico also, but since i was a kid the things have gone wild. Poberty and corruption don't explain the sadistic and bizarre violence of mexico.
@@gerardsotxoa it's a combination of genetic history with the kinds of illicit drugs the cartels are using. Aztecs were brutal too.
The drug war recycles
master DOGE See the Middle East and tell me how that has decreased violent activities on the region...
@master DOGE Well if 100 percent of the troops went who would protect the country...?
master DOGE Yes, it was one or few countries at the beginning, then escalated to full blown war, funding some groups here, some there, then you get Al-Qaeda, ISIS, you go from a Democratic progressive country as Iran was to a Theocracy. Just look into the history of the American Government and Corporations in Latin America, that’s enough reason to leave us alone. America isn’t the World police, and it shouldn’t be, its trials in doing so *(Besides WWII)* have made the world a worse place.
@master DOGE im 100 percent sure that 100 percent of the military power would need to include.. You know... 100 percent. There could be a million branches and youd still need all million to be 100 percent of them. Youre an idiot.
@master DOGE cl 🇲🇼
Imagine trying to explain this to a space alien
I don't speak Klingon, but if I did I am guessing that they would suggest using greater force.
You think aliens dont know about supply and demand or drugs because both are stupid assertions haha
Imagine a space alien trying to explain their society to you without a financial system and spiritually advanced Beings living in peace.
@@MrBasinator bruh I'm on acid
@@gardenstate732 Asserting you know what his assertions are is a stupid assertion. Queue laughing at own joke.
My brother got murder in Mexico Nayarit went for a few months on vacation in 2011 of March he was 22 years old at the time I was 17 myself. Born in San Jose CA us did not want to help out Mexican government didn't even pick up the shell casings from the ak47 All we could do is pray for him 🙏🤞😏
An intervention in Mexico would be a blind man’s bluff. The US would become embroiled in yet another asymmetric war where the nature of the conflict would handicap American military might. The US would prioritize limiting collateral damage and every time the US increase the intensity of their operations, the cartel members would just spread false propaganda to the people and turn them away from the American effort. The US would be seen as invaders rather than liberators and the quasi marshal plan to reconstruct Mexico would fall short just like it did in Afghanistan. An intervention would be the worst blunder any American head of state could make.
Ed Calderon is one of the best guests I've seen on JR. This is a real eye-opener on Mexico and its future relationship with the US. The US War on Drugs has been devastating in so many ways. Legalization is the sane option. Which means the US won't do it. I can't help but wonder how things like climate change and extreme automation (robots, advanced AI) are going to effect the seeming inevitability of "civil war and US boots on the ground." Lots of variables in the mix.
Legalization of drugs will happen eventually. It is a self defeating fight anyway, breeding the exact opposite of what it promises. Too bad that stuck up bible thumpers still put more stock on after school specials than on the grim reality, when it comes to that shit.
Joe "can you aerosolize DMT and deliver it in bombs" Rogan
Lol
When you could be first comment but you've run out if DMT and elk jokes
Just repeat one like the rest of em
There are elk jokes?
Bottom Lobster just comment on how you don’t have any original ideas and can’t repeat the same thing most others do.
rizzo69ca love this comment!
Joe”has el chapo tried elk meat on dmt ” rogan
The Cartels are a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later; the longer you wait the worse it becomes. I'm not a fan of sending troops into Mexico especially since Mexico is already in a fragile state, if the plan isn't very well thought out and comprehensive then it will only fuck up Mexico more and the problem will come back. The DEA can't do much cuz they must use traditional law enforcement tactics; however, send the military and they will be well.....less gentle and they will be much more effective at getting intel. The only thing is, say we cripple the cartels in Mexico and push them out of the area, how would we build Mexico into a more stabilized nation and prevent the cartels from coming back. You need to arrest a lot of people down there, and you need to create opportunities for people down there so growing up they have more options to choose what they want to be and not feel like the cartel is the only way. This whole thing would need to be well planned out in precise detail before even sending troops because we don't want Mexico going down the route of Iraq in 2004, this plan would require a HUGE amount of resources, money, and manpower that the US needs to be fully ready to commit too before they even consider it. Honestly, I'm not even sure an armed intervention would succeed but I can't see any other option to combat them at this point. Honestly I would go with sending in the JSOC and other special ops first and let them go to work and gather intel on how the operations work, you at least need to know how the enemy operates before you can begin to consider sending in forces of ground troops. The thing is you would need to find a way to do this without it becoming a full-on war zone and destroying the countries stability. I don't know what other options are left to effectively combat them.
Considering the US previous campaigns, planning isn't their strong suit. But I think that the military would lose honestly.
@@spicyalpastor3310 no they took control in afghanistan and secured the cities in days. The us decided it was not worth it anymore and left.
Mexico is a sovereign state, you can't simply just send some Tier 1 dudes across the border to go crack some skulls.
@@spicyalpastor3310 the military effort would not be the problem. The problem would be finding a way to permanently maintain the peace after the operation; thats the part that would require the most planning.
It will never stop!! As long as there is one consumer there will be 10 different suppliers fighting for that one 🤭.
Oh man. Imagine being that one consumer. 🥳
The Mexican Government could crush the cartel without much trouble but the problem is corruption and the amount of civilian lives that would be lost which would not be worth it
Not be worth it are you shitting me ? That’s how the cartel wins you have to eliminate innocent ppl if so to eliminate these guys that’s how you win
I'm glad they talked about my uncle and his wife and kid
The problem with legalizing hard drugs is that eliminating the cost of dealing with law enforcement will bring down the cost of drugs which means more consumption of drugs.
I think you could just have the government give the drugs directly to the people so there isn't actually a market.
@@bruhbutwhytho Nothing good ever comes out of people with heavy drugs freely in their possession. Regulation is not a solution either because there's always limitations that create illegal demand so i'm guessing there's no solution at all.
Joe reaction is priceless lmao Mexico is a trip
7:30 many mexicans think that.
True. If U.S gets involved we might have another Afghanistan or syria better less Iraq, Japan, vietnam, Cuba. Truth is U.S. helps but it doesn’t make up for the shit it leaves unfortunatly :/
many unpatriotic mexicans think that you little shit
@@albertov137 Why you get so offended😂 But it's true though, something might happen that might destabilize it so much though, The way its heading and growing its gonna reach a breaking point
@@angellol5067 it already hit its breaking point. that's why a new political party won the mexican presidential elections and is now perfectly handling the situation.
I mean not like were doing anything now. Drugs still getting past the border, trafficking still happening, and crimes happening..
*"DON'T TELL TRUMP"*
Just mention China to trump he would be all over it
Trump is awesome
Pretty sure he knows
Trumps a POS
@Hyper Kin whatever they think is worth less than the shit I scraped off of my boot
Makes it easy
We need to start the clean up on our side of the border.
Joe “don’t tell trump” rogan
I really hate the "legalize all drugs" argument. Not because it isn't correct. It IS correct. Just from a libertarian point of view its the correct thing to do. I hate that argument because there is no "afterwards" to it. It just assumes the cartels will go, "oh well our revenue has been chopped in half, lets all go get legit jobs now". Nobody thinks like that. They'll find a new racket, they already have new rackets.
it's true that they'll find something else to make money from, but legalizing drugs would still cut off a massive part of their income that would be nearly impossible to replace. if smartphones were made illegal, companies like apple would focus more of their energy on other products and ways to earn money, but would be much less powerful than before, no matter how hard they tried to regain that power.
Legalizing drugs won’t help look at California the black market of weed is even bigger than before
the black market still exists in California because of two reasons. even though weed was legalized, there is still an absurd amount of regulations on the production and sale of it which raises the price, pushing people to buy it illegally. additionally, the vast majority of other states haven't legalized it yet, which causes people to grow weed in California to sell in other states. the first problem could be solved by gradually loosening the regulations over time, and the second problem would be solved by federal legalization.
matrix3509 Unfortunately that is true! Same thing with our inner city gangs who control the drug trade in the U.S.
@@dormantmonkey And also, we spent so long building great relationships with our dealers to just throw them away. 🤣
Listening to the situation in Mexico it sounds so pointless and depressing like a never ending nightmare that you can’t wake up from.
We fuel the problem, we're the largest consumers on earth.
Mexico is hiring through what Colombia went through in the 80s and 90s.
I have always loved Mexico and the people. I spent a large part of the 90’s camping and surfing all up and down Baja and mainland Mex. I would bring my kids uses Little League baseball equipment. Giant bags of clothes that my kids never wore. I love the Mexican people and their culture and food. A special group of people. It’s no joke why they want to come here. I get it.
Big part of my childhood was spent in Baja, also.
They have been betrayed by their government, and are held captive by crime. We have to overthrow their government. Decapitate their government. Just set it up secretly and drive on through.
My wife ran off with a younger Mexican man who could dance. I too, get it.
A guy I grew up with, he’s from Sinaloa, always travels back and forth from the US to his hometown. He and his brothers have always been known for having these expensive jewelry pieces, they’re always posting pictures of them with rifles but they’re faces are covered. He’s in the police academy, or in some type of law enforcement program. Not sure what his motives are but it seems odd
centenario de oro no u
Wasn't it the military intervention that STARTED the Cartels?
No it’s wasn’t it’s was the DEA back then there was only one cartel the Jalisco cartel that was made by all the other cartel so that’s what was keeping the cartel in check but then the DEA came in poking their nose in Mexican affair and broke that cartel up and how we have around like 20 different once so thank the USA for what’s happening in Mexico right now
Correct only reason we stopped fighting the border was becuase of ww1 dont
forget only months before ww1 the us military had boots in mexico city looking for Zapata
Shit is insane atm!! Bring this guy back for an update!! Peace and love to Mexico 🇲🇽💖!!
Cartel: "We have UA-cam too, pendejo."
@BLACK Face hit a nerve?
UA-cam fight🤗
U know here's the thing!we all need to try an get along.an were all in it together.
@BLACK Face god damn the way you love that word I'd think you were Jesse Pinkman
@Eddie R shut up bitch
joe is so glued , but you can also see his weed brain flailing through how much info he is absorbing lol
Time to have ed Calderon back
The mormons killed there recently were tied to Mitt Romney and human trafficking
Keep in mind this guy trains and advises US government. He benefits from the US preparing for intervention.
True
I love my home country and many others that leave Mexico do to but looking back at it and seeing the state it is in is just sad. I pray Mexico and Mexicans get better as a country and as a people.
Jesxs honestly i wanna move back lol
In the first part Ed is talking about the exact same situation in ghost recon wildlands
This has been happening before some video game you stupid fuck.
Wildands used real life shit to there game bro
@@jonb3167 Clam down man, if you dont want these physcopaths to f up the world and ruin everything.
@4 0 Could be true. But we need a Special Operator to do it. It might be easy for them.
OMG MEXICO COPIED GHOST RECON WILDANDS!!!!!!! SUE THEM SUR THEM SUE THEM
If the US focused all its military resources on a war with all of the cartels, yes, they would eventually win. But the collateral damage would be on a scale never seen in history. Both sides are extremely proficient in military tactics. Both sides are highly organized. Both sides dont have a lack of volunteers to fight. And most of all, both sides have deep pockets, which can keep funding a war for a long time.
Sidenote: the cartel wouldnt only fight on their turf. They would bring the war to American streets.
@@jp__878 i dont think the cartels would care if American citizens opposed them.
Yes, America would send tanks, attack choppers and the like. But do not discount the bad guy's ability to acquire the same. There are enough rouge nations out there that would love to help them stick it to America.
Anti-american groups would form and help America, yes, but that goes the other way too. Cartels would have help from anti american groups.
I dont think America would bum rush the cartels. Casualties would be massive. We are talking about numbers that would wipe out entire populations. And perception during war is everything. America wouldnt risk getting dragged in the media for sending a battalion of tanks on foreign soil to bum rush the cartels.
Lastly, you can bet your bottom dollar attacks would make it to US streets. And when that happens, Americans will be at 1600 Pennsylvania ave demanding the US withdraw.
Imagine a scene where the cartels blow up Walmarts, and malls and football stadiums during games. Americans would be in an uproar.
@@jp__878 I served two deployments in Baghdad as an infantryman at the height of the war. I understand our military prowess.
But you cannot discount the capabilities of psychopaths. Thats what we would be dealing with, psychopaths. Pablo Escobar put a bomb on a plane and brought it down. He bombed hundreds of innocent people in Medellin, children included. That was 30 years ago. Since then their military might has increased, and so has their viciousness.
At the slightest sound of military intervention in their country, stadiums here in America will fall.
@@jp__878 With all that, you still lost in Afghanistan. Goat farmers lol
@@zenou-samaIV 😮 how many autistic kids online have to point this out. Vietnam was far more embarrassing like 20x the causalities.
@@zenou-samaIV did you even keep up? We had control of every city in days. The problem was eradicating an enemy that could be anyone. We kicked them out but we could not keep them out as they came in civilian clothes and in small groups.
We will never crush the Cartel. Heck, we could not even beat Vietnam.
Take the commodity and the market away by legalizing the stuff
100% accurate, spot on.
Joe "woooooooooo" rogan
.......... hi joe woooooogan
One of my favorite podcasts I have watched, so interesting and is a bigger deal then people realize.
You cannot stop supply and demand. You want to stop the cartels? Make all drug legal and undercut the cartel's sales prices.
This is the way it works ,,Mexico extorts the cartels..
Then you got the US government that's making the money off of sticking people in prison .making you pay all these fines and jail time for a gram of cocaine...
They steal the taxpayers money..
Look up all the private prisons that exist in the United States
You know how many jobs would be lost if they legalized drugs here in the US..
Think about that long and hard
@@headeyes3622 you're stupid , these people have been working on these jobs for a long time.. they got their retirements coming, they got their social security coming ,,they got benefits.
And that's not even counting all the taxes the government takes from their paychecks..
@@headeyes3622 things are not as easy as you try to make them seem.
The judicial system would collapse.
Prisons would close..
There would be less cops needed
The money they make from all the drug bust they do.
And that's just off the top of my head
Legalize drugs without regulation?! WOW! A nation further building a society and environment filled with mentally unstable drug addicts screaming and running in the middle of streets, heart attacks, rapid loss of jobs, education quality falls, teenage drug pandemic worsens, cocaine crazed freaks randomly assaulting people at night, and list goes on
"BUT WHAT ABOUT REGULATION?!!" Well if that's the case there will be limitations, therefore illegal demand will still exist and the war on drugs will continue.
Why are we still having this conversation you can’t stop the drug trade where there is demand the supply will come. Only answer is to legalize and regulate
maybe Americans should stop doing so many Drugs.
Maybe we should stop being lazy and grow out own.
@@evilestmonkeey or that :)
Maybe CIA should stop trafficking for all the cartels
This man smiles too much its like he’s almost proud of it
hate to say it but cartels aren’t going away anytime soon, people have high demand on Drugs
I'd like to see a state or two completely decriminalize all drugs, the possession, sale, etc, and see what happens. Would usage go thru the roof, or would it be mostly limited to the people who would use anyway? What about things like car accidents by high drivers? Or ODs? Just what would all the butterfly effects be? I'd like to see it on a small scale before we did it on a federal level.
It's called Portugal, check it out.
theres tons of places out there. The benefits are not as great as you propose. Of course there is less crime. But society really isnt improved that much
Can’t do that I live in San Diego ca, we just got infested with homeless from other states because we give out free bus and trolley passes to the homeless for a year so they can look for work and also health care paid by the race payers of course. There is not a single park fast food place where a homeless is tweeting or shooting up heroin, I saw a homeless pick up a used needle you see them shitting in the streets and the cops walking by them because it’s that bad. Every park any place with woods you’ll find needles and shanty towns.
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@Bob Smith Your missing my point. Portugal is a common decriminilization of all drugs case and even the experts leading the policy themselves said people mistake decriminilization by itself to be a naively simple fix. They did much more than decriminilization. Look up how china fixed their opium epidemic. It wasaint just decriminilization by itself.
If US legalize drugs, either they must import it from the cartel or set up local production. And the legal drugs will be regulated, taxed and probably limiting the consumption. When you limit the consumption, the consumer will buy the illegal one from across the border. Not to mention the cartel would sell it in lower price to compete. So there will be no end.
Legalization of drugs will make everything imaginable 100X worse. There will always be the strive for more just like you said, but regardless it will force Cartels to increase everything as there is now an even more massive market to hit. They will become larger and stronger and hold even more power and money. It is a trickle down effect that he isn't seeing.
We could also give it to addicts for free, it's almost impossible for cartels to compete with that.
@@bruhbutwhytho You're basically enabling the situation on Kensington Avenue up in Philly. Is that the type of environment you want to create all over the U.S?
@@subtleprelude2400 in Kingston the drugs are all very risky, used unsafely and it also attracts more people to come there to commit crimes. It could be a lot . More like Portugal or other European countries.
@@bruhbutwhytho you're right about that I suppose
In Guanajuato during vacation I remember rumors of an extreme group of people tired of drugs that randomly go shooting people late at night because they believe only drug dealers are the ones outside. Was hard for me to walk outside for me without the idea of death in the back of my head unless there was a party or some sort of event late at night
Nelkoz Mimic why would you walk outside at night tho
What has this guy done besides be a Mexican cop/ border patrol officer? I'm genuinely curious
Crushing cartels will require ending prohibition. Haven't we learned this lesson already?
Digg'n Deeper yeah but the people in power made too much money off of the suffering caused by the drug war
@@anon2427 Exactly - on both sides of the "law".
@@anon2427 also seems a lot of people here in the states don't understand drugs and addiction, and think that decriminalizing is the the same as legalizing. I'm looking through comments and the stupidity of people amazes me. "Just stop doing drugs, it's that simple", "You all have weed already, you don't need meth and heroin as well" it's sad.
Alcohol isn't as harmful as heroine, cocaine and whatever the hell these cartels trade in. Don't compare this to prohibition.
@@JohnDoeTheGoodGuy I will compare it to prohibition. It is prohibition.
There was a time when a kid could run down the the drug store and buy heroin, meth, cocaine and other stuff. Those were the "good ol' days".
The danger is prohibition and the profits that create the violence and dark markets which create adulterated substances.
prohibition.diggndeeper.com/
The original Zetas were a group of ex Mexican Special Forces, in the beginnings they just hired ex military personnel, they hired mercenaries from all over the world, and they have a preference for Khaibiles Guatemalan Special Forces.
Sure, because all other US military interventions have brought peace and harmony.
@Don Jon Yeah like the outcome wouldnt be the same if the US didnt join in at the last minute 🤔
Who's here after Trump declaring war on the cartels??
Joe "The genie is out of the bottle" Rogen.
Neon Voltage 😂😂😂
The only way to end the violence is to legalize drugs,period
Legalizing crack cocaine is genius. Let everybody get a little bit, what could go wrong?
Alex McGillivray it worked in Portugal,drugs have been legalized there for 20 years
They have different huge sources of income not just drugs... violence would still be there.
@@wwefuk7719 when was the last time you heard of bootleggers ?
@@Adam-lz7sr Portugal is not America. Americans are fucking crazy because it's a free country, it's that simple. There's a huge difference in political environment and culture, and the teenage drug pandemic is still in a bad state. Imagine the things that will happen in the U.S if those heavy drugs become legal without any sort of regulation. Yeah exactly, what could go wrong??
Yes ! USA military is known for walking into countries and establishing long lasting peace.
I mean they kinda are look at japan germany South Korea france the list goes on and on
The U.S or it's military aren't always good but aren't always bad either
@@void4947 The list goes on? Those are the only countries that came out better! Everyone else is in open civil strife.
@@tetraxis3011
No there's more for instance Kuwait. Taiwan. Bosnia. India and Pakistan. and now Ukraine
I'm heavily critical of US foreign policy and almost totally against interventionism but this idea that the US has been entirely negative regarding it's foreign influence and strategy is simple untrue while the US certainly has been very bad and even imperialist in it's interventionism and global interference and should by all means be held accountable and to a higher standard absolutely but to say that they haven't had any effect in establishing peace or stopping aggression like the original commentator said is uninformed and wholly untrue
For anyone to say otherwise I invite you to speak with people who lived through the first gulf war Iraqi invasion and the Bosnian genocide
TLDR the United States of America is a bad guy but it's by no means the worst guy out there and it actuality has helped many people kinda like the USSR and China no country is wholly evil or wholly good their all at the mercy of their current regimes and cultural influences
Cartel don’t stand a chance vs US air raids 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I’ve seen el mencho after his release in jail at villa purificacion Jalisco, look it up. But the power they hold is scary in that small village..we are all hushed by them.
My mom is getting her citizenship soon and she wants to move to Mexico to live with my grandma but we don't want to because the cartels don't let you live a normal life
Joe: "Out of curiosity, do the Cartels supply DMT?"
Lmfao 😆😂🤣
Yes USA need to get involved stop this country being destroyed by thugs how can u let this happen to Ur neighbour
“Unless someone can convince 20% of the US population to stop snorting and smoking drugs. It’ll never end. Order is the best we can hope for.”
Ed : cartels "
Joe : pfssshhhhhhhh "
This is exactly what happens in Brazil. Drug trafficking controls social stability in the favelas.
Where the government has abandoned people, cartels have taken over.
watching this after news of the mess in Afghanistan. the situation of the Taliban compares to the Cartels is so similar, definitely concerning
The US citizens have to take up arms and be prepared to eradicate this shitt.
Sooo Oregon is legalizing hard drugs now. Makes you wonder where the Cartels are gonna make their money if local US based drug manufacturers are free to make it. Cheaper local drugs vs foreign? I feel like that's a whole other issue
I think it's more than just that. I think them military contractors is just waiting to get their advanced weapons out them warehouses and ready for mexico. *Cough* Raytheon.
The US only bombed Iran after they killed a contractor. Not after they made threats, blew places up, or killed our soldiers. Says it all about our interests
@@rumchata6569 wait when did the US bomb Iran?
Raytheon makes mostly high tech missiles lol they’re not a gun manufacturer
My job in the army is patriot missile operator Raytheon doesnt make superweapons the fuck are you smoking lol