Yep, it demonstrates that it wasn't just Marco's charisma that stirred up the Belters. They had a couple of centuries worth of legit grievances against the Inners by this point and sooner or later someone would have taken advantage.
Keon's delivery of "Drummer!...and associates..." is a great example of minor, seemingly inconsequential dialogue, that is delivered in such a way that it conveys so much more then it has any right to. A+++
I noticed in this season, whenever anyone had news they knew Drummer wouldn't like, they asked for her gun first. Makes you think she's got a reputation.
Earlier when the attempted take over of tycho resolved she straight up shot the guy responsible while he was being cuffed as she was walking out to get her gun shot checked out
I loved the look of surprise in Marcos face when Drummer said "You know...the song he sang when you spaced him... it wasn't fear..." and his face is like "HOW THE HELL DOES SHE KNOW?!"
@@AerielFerguson Kinda late here, I really wanna say it's 3:53 - 4:00. Keon said he was giving this really charismatic speech and in the middle Cara bumps him. It really felt like he hesitated just a bit right and Cara looked like she was slightly bumping into him at that scene.
Achilles’ heel. Marco never really gave a crap about logistics. Like Alexander, he’s a prolific conqueror who doesn’t know how to consolidate his holdings.
I mean, the the Diadochi did a pretty fair job of keeping darn near all the territory Alexander touched, even during their civil war, clear through to India. There was little in the way of successful internal rebellion, except back in Greece. One by one they fell apart or got absorbed by someone else, of course, but they began with solid territorial integrity. In Afghanistan, they were so successful that several of the Alexandrias survive to this day with different names, for example; they were so built up that no one destroyed them..
Drummer: *constructs Tycho station, an important location for belters* Drummer: *consolidates the OPA as a starting government* Drummer: *governs over Medina station, responding less and less to the inners* Marco: *tears it all down* Marco: You see, there was never any chance we would ever be free unless we nuked the crap out of them Drummer: 😠😠😠
I love that look of horror on the faces of Drummer's crewmates when they see that what they'd thought was a Martian patrol bearing down on them is actually Marco's private navy. The simple idea of government-produced, military warships being in private hands is played up as the main thing that makes Marco's faction dangerous, and I love how the Expanse does things like this, making simple stuff seem impactful rather than try to wow the pants off fans with a "gimmick of the week" approach.
Yea, and it’s a shame we won’t see the whole Loconiq stuff from the last 3 books. Would’ve explained *spoiler* how Marco was played as well. A distraction war for the Martian sepretist sort off to establish there own home world.
One detail about this show I always really liked is showing the ships having to turn around and use thrust to slow down and stop. Instead of magic space physics
Drummer just naturally excretes authority, like an athlete excretes sweat on a hot summer run. She IS the Belt. Inaros might have sweet talked most of the Belt into thinking he's their leader. But Drummer is, and always were, just by being Drummer. Cara just delivers godlike performance in this role.
this scene epitomises why I liked and admired Drummer from first sight and why I could. never accept Marco as a credible character, much less a war leader.
Sorry for 4 month late response lol, but Marco was incredibly credible. He was loud and showed action on behalf of HEAVILY marginalized Belters. He had the charisma to make majority of them blind sheep to his cause... and I love Drummer too lol
I know IRL its because they hadn’t casted for S6 yet, but the idea that Marco misgendered Sanjrani adds even more to his ignorance and asshole-ry which is hilarious
the Free Navy in approach, MCRN warship with 4 engines, you know you're toast, the Pella is a beauty looking beast, it's a bird of prey, and has huge interior, over 25m long decks/levels.. Drummer's temper, I like her, but c'mon, Ashford went for Marco and got killed, Marco never targeted Ashford, neither killed him as collateral in some attack, or military action, I like Drummer, but she's being petty and childish, I mean, she is the person who quit politics and command over most important station in the Sol system and went to be a pirate for a living, and the Queen of lowlifes, as Ashford would say: "Ah Camina!", while Oxana, on the other hand, is much more professional, I like Oxana.
@@officaloutsidegames it's not double the Roci, it's 3x bigger + some more, that initial art concept scale is not correct, i.e. model went through changes for the final screen i.e. cannon version.
@@officaloutsidegames Level "layout" due to seen on the screen: T shaped corridors, "horizontal" corridor is 2.5-3m wide, 6-8m long, elevator/lift shaft on the left, doors leading to more level on the right, and up/down ladder/hatch in the middle, there we enter to actual deck which is part of the level, and left/right of "vertical" i.e mid corridor are doors/facilities, mid corridor is also 2.5-3m wide and 8-10m long, and ends with the doors set across up/down ladder/hatch, and all that is section A of the level, cause behind those doors is the section B of the level that "mirrors" section A, in 5x07 after Naomi gets removed from the CIC and taken to quarters on level 5 those doors are actually open, and are not just one of those fake doors like on the Roci, that lead nowhere, but to the set, and have never been opened on the screen, in any scene. So the Pella has 20-25m long and 15-20m wide levels, don't know how many, but 7 have been mentioned, on top of that, it has separated 2 floor CIC, accessible via lift, from the corridor that also has doors across lift doors, upper CIC has 2 doors in corners, and up ladder/hatch in the middle of the wall behind Captain's console, lift ride from lower CIC to level 6 takes 18sec(Filip, Naomi), later Filip and Cyn had 28sec(part seen on the screen)lift ride from lower CIC to where Naomi was in the brig, so yeah, the Pella is big, much bigger than 89m, that was, again, just an initial concept scale.. Model's design ratios are: ratio between thinnest(the bow)and widest(front of engine mounts)is 1.8, length is 3x widest part, initial concept 89m length scale makes the ship 29.6 widest and only 16m thinnest, and that OBVIOUSLY isn't the case, cause the airlock is +5m wide(2 wing doors open on 1.6-2m, and are ~3.5-4m wide, around them goes entire structure of the docking bridge, and around that, the final outer structure of the airlock is)and can fit ~6 times into the width of the bow(easy to measure on the screen, and on model sketch-drawings)and 16m wide bow makes the airlock only 2.6-2.8m wide, so yeah MCRN light cruiser needs a rescale i.e. professional scale and review..
@@officaloutsidegames in the Expanse, ships are usually inside of 90 to 100% match between "paper" scale and the screen, the Roci i.e. light frigate is probably 46m + the antenna= 52m, or even few more, but it's not longer than 58m overall, Morrigan is "officially" 31m long, 10m deep and 9m wide, and looks like that on the screen, but sketch-drawings of the model don't have 3.1 ratio between lenght-depth, neither 3.444 between length-width, so BY DESIGN, on 31m Morrigan is 8-8.5m deep and 7-7.5 wide, and that is too small, so obviously Morrigan is 31m long BODY + the rest, but people don't get that, and "professionals" making those scales, reviews and specs should be more professional, but overall, the Expanse "paper" sizes fit pretty well with sizes on the screen, but suddenly s4 and s5 ships scales are way off, 20% minimum and over 30-50%, some up to 100%, the Tynan, the Chet 20-25% off, Matar ship, Golden Bough ship over 60%, "belter ferry" i.e. the Lazy Songbird 50%, "marco's pursuit ship" i.e. tv the Connaught close to 100%, the Pella i.e. MCRN light cruiser 70-80%, the Barkeith i.e. MCRN Class-D 40-50%..it's a mess, whoever took that job of scaling ships is an artist/VR designer, and art is not practical, or that person just sucks in that job, I don't know.. We can compare the Pella with the Chetzemoka, the Chet was scaled at 75m length, what by its design, makes the ship 28-29m wide, now the Chet docked on 60m long Tycho docks is 50% longer i.e. 90m long, it's easy to see, and it's a great shot, but let's use 75×29m for comparison with the Pella, and there we see that Pella's thinnest- the bow is wide as the Chet, and widest much wider, while on the "paper" scale, Pella's widest is wide as the Chet, and both ships have ~same engine cone diameter, while on the screen, the Pella has them much bigger too..
Ashford died a pointless and stupid death. Dude literally could have capped Marcos and died a legend. Instead he got spaced, idk if that's bad writing on the show or the books.
@@ThePartisan13 no, he went for Marco unprepared, and underestimated Marco, that mission was doomed from the start, problem is that experienced officer like Ashford, probably wouldn't make such mistake, and after some thinking, would call off the mission..
Did you watch season 1-2-3? That protomolecule stuff was insane tech. The only people to own a few grammes by then were the UNN and Marco Inaros. That means that the two richest people in the solar system at that point were the head of the UNN and Marco Inaros. He could have probably bought a whole planet let alone a few surplus warships, if he wanted to.
Whilst there was some great scenes and writing. Over all it still felt some what rushed in comparison to previous seasons and I feel that is the result of a lack of enough episodes. We didn’t get to see enough of Marco’s struggle building the free navy.
The baddies wernt that bad, Karal was the first genuinely hateable antagonist who never had any chance of become a good guy (like Amos, Fred, Drummer, Avasarala, Ashford, Peaches and others did), Inaros was OK, bit of an idealist but certainly memorable, Filip TBH got far too much screentime. The real problem with S5 was Naomi, she just turned into the annoying character who helps no-one. S6 the problem was the curtailed filming due to covid nineteen, leading to a series far too short that spent too much time on an arc that just disappeared into the nether with no point (the Laconia arc)
"Is it over? I must have missed the inners offer of surrender."
That line is gold.
"We were already at war with the inners. You just couldnt see it because they were killing us slow." damn, thats great writing.
Yep, it demonstrates that it wasn't just Marco's charisma that stirred up the Belters. They had a couple of centuries worth of legit grievances against the Inners by this point and sooner or later someone would have taken advantage.
@@ar1sm70funny you'd say that considering the real life parallel to the Palestinians!
Resistance is not terrorism!
@@Mohagnito94 Depends on what form the resistance takes. What Marco did, dropping the rocks on earth, absolutely is terrorism and a massive crime.
@@Mohagnito94Attacking civilians is terrorism. Attacking and violating concert goers is a crime and should not be excused
I feel like we need a Marco Inaros to fight Davos mafia
Keon's delivery of "Drummer!...and associates..." is a great example of minor, seemingly inconsequential dialogue, that is delivered in such a way that it conveys so much more then it has any right to.
A+++
yea, he only cares about Drummer and her rep, the others mean nothing. He knows her reputation will bring more people to his cause.
I noticed in this season, whenever anyone had news they knew Drummer wouldn't like, they asked for her gun first. Makes you think she's got a reputation.
Earlier when the attempted take over of tycho resolved she straight up shot the guy responsible while he was being cuffed as she was walking out to get her gun shot checked out
"No throne?" 😂 God the writing is exquisite. Immediately disarming but also a slight. Sets the tone to her terms.
1:10 *DRAMMA* and associates 😂
It was "JZHRAMMA!" though, he-he
Love the look of surprise when they see that Marco's fleet is made of Martian warships.
I loved the look of surprise in Marcos face when Drummer said "You know...the song he sang when you spaced him... it wasn't fear..." and his face is like "HOW THE HELL DOES SHE KNOW?!"
It’s really hard to take this scene seriously anymore knowing Cara Gee was hitting Keon with her baby bump to throw him off. Lol
I was thinking about that the entire time!
Mark the tume u catched it
Just makes it better :D
I didn't even know she was pregnant while filming
@@AerielFerguson Kinda late here, I really wanna say it's 3:53 - 4:00. Keon said he was giving this really charismatic speech and in the middle Cara bumps him. It really felt like he hesitated just a bit right and Cara looked like she was slightly bumping into him at that scene.
Drummer was without a doubt my favourite character in the whole series!
Achilles’ heel. Marco never really gave a crap about logistics. Like Alexander, he’s a prolific conqueror who doesn’t know how to consolidate his holdings.
With extremely pretty hair.
Meanwhile Duarte
@@iain3713 Short hair, practical uniform. Fuckers ready to rule the world.
I mean, the the Diadochi did a pretty fair job of keeping darn near all the territory Alexander touched, even during their civil war, clear through to India. There was little in the way of successful internal rebellion, except back in Greece. One by one they fell apart or got absorbed by someone else, of course, but they began with solid territorial integrity. In Afghanistan, they were so successful that several of the Alexandrias survive to this day with different names, for example; they were so built up that no one destroyed them..
Considering that the actor is named Keon Alexander, it took me a while to realise you were not talking about him
The back and forth between them was spectacular.
Even moreso when you watch one of the aftershows and she has Keon tell the story of how she used her baby against him.
Drummer is the real leader of Belter independence. Inaros is just a bloodthirsty megalomaniac.
He left ceres station to starve to make the inners look bad
Drummer: *constructs Tycho station, an important location for belters*
Drummer: *consolidates the OPA as a starting government*
Drummer: *governs over Medina station, responding less and less to the inners*
Marco: *tears it all down*
Marco: You see, there was never any chance we would ever be free unless we nuked the crap out of them
Drummer: 😠😠😠
Drummer is true Beltalowda!
I love that look of horror on the faces of Drummer's crewmates when they see that what they'd thought was a Martian patrol bearing down on them is actually Marco's private navy. The simple idea of government-produced, military warships being in private hands is played up as the main thing that makes Marco's faction dangerous, and I love how the Expanse does things like this, making simple stuff seem impactful rather than try to wow the pants off fans with a "gimmick of the week" approach.
Yea, and it’s a shame we won’t see the whole Loconiq stuff from the last 3 books. Would’ve explained *spoiler* how Marco was played as well. A distraction war for the Martian sepretist sort off to establish there own home world.
You can never say that The Expanse is not unique.
One detail about this show I always really liked is showing the ships having to turn around and use thrust to slow down and stop. Instead of magic space physics
"No throne?!"
:D
"This is a war room"
"From war you started."
@@voidkat4202 "For"..."war I won"
@@elvisibra "Is it over? I must have missed the inners offer surrender."
@@voidkat4202 "I knew there was a reason I liked you"
I freaking love Drummer😍
Cara Gee just said in an interview that she was super pregnant in this scene and they had to VFX everything out
And she kept bumping Keon Alexander (Marco) with her belly, so much so that he started laughing several times
Love this show.
2:28 Is that the TIE fighter target hologram in the back there?
Lmao no
Actually it is
@@ES3590 trust me im a huge SW fan, thats not a tie fighter hologram
it actually was, the vfx crew confirmed it later
@@535h4r0n it can’t be the tie fighters wings aren’t a perfect square plus the wings and cockpit are too close together
Drummer was cool af. But the one thing she never noted before she made 'peace' with inners.. It was Marco who made a deal with the inners first.
Drummer just naturally excretes authority, like an athlete excretes sweat on a hot summer run. She IS the Belt. Inaros might have sweet talked most of the Belt into thinking he's their leader. But Drummer is, and always were, just by being Drummer. Cara just delivers godlike performance in this role.
this scene epitomises why I liked and admired Drummer from first sight and why I could. never accept Marco as a credible character, much less a war leader.
Sorry for 4 month late response lol, but Marco was incredibly credible. He was loud and showed action on behalf of HEAVILY marginalized Belters. He had the charisma to make majority of them blind sheep to his cause... and I love Drummer too lol
Yup, she planned quite another kind of boarding in S6 tho :)
Marco might be the best villain in all of fiction
Idk about that, but he's pretty good
Yes it is.
i mean hes competing against dukat from ds9
@@mmyatt9560 Dukat is way more likeable. So I would say Marcos for certain is a better villain. I couldn't wait for Marcos to die.
dont really like villans that are evil for no reason or a bad reason
Drummer is tough as hell😳😬😳straight G🔥😳👌🔥😳
Drummer always looks like she's about to kill someone. Which, come to think of it....
I miss Camina.
I know IRL its because they hadn’t casted for S6 yet, but the idea that Marco misgendered Sanjrani adds even more to his ignorance and asshole-ry which is hilarious
lol 'misgendered' this comment aged like fine milk
This is unwatchable without subtitles.
the Free Navy in approach, MCRN warship with 4 engines, you know you're toast, the Pella is a beauty looking beast, it's a bird of prey, and has huge interior, over 25m long decks/levels..
Drummer's temper, I like her, but c'mon, Ashford went for Marco and got killed, Marco never targeted Ashford, neither killed him as collateral in some attack, or military action, I like Drummer, but she's being petty and childish, I mean, she is the person who quit politics and command over most important station in the Sol system and went to be a pirate for a living, and the Queen of lowlifes, as Ashford would say: "Ah Camina!", while Oxana, on the other hand, is much more professional, I like Oxana.
@@officaloutsidegames it's not double the Roci, it's 3x bigger + some more, that initial art concept scale is not correct, i.e. model went through changes for the final screen i.e. cannon version.
@@officaloutsidegames Level "layout" due to seen on the screen: T shaped corridors, "horizontal" corridor is 2.5-3m wide, 6-8m long, elevator/lift shaft on the left, doors leading to more level on the right, and up/down ladder/hatch in the middle, there we enter to actual deck which is part of the level, and left/right of "vertical" i.e mid corridor are doors/facilities, mid corridor is also 2.5-3m wide and 8-10m long, and ends with the doors set across up/down ladder/hatch, and all that is section A of the level, cause behind those doors is the section B of the level that "mirrors" section A, in 5x07 after Naomi gets removed from the CIC and taken to quarters on level 5 those doors are actually open, and are not just one of those fake doors like on the Roci, that lead nowhere, but to the set, and have never been opened on the screen, in any scene.
So the Pella has 20-25m long and 15-20m wide levels, don't know how many, but 7 have been mentioned, on top of that, it has separated 2 floor CIC, accessible via lift, from the corridor that also has doors across lift doors, upper CIC has 2 doors in corners, and up ladder/hatch in the middle of the wall behind Captain's console, lift ride from lower CIC to level 6 takes 18sec(Filip, Naomi), later Filip and Cyn had 28sec(part seen on the screen)lift ride from lower CIC to where Naomi was in the brig, so yeah, the Pella is big, much bigger than 89m, that was, again, just an initial concept scale..
Model's design ratios are: ratio between thinnest(the bow)and widest(front of engine mounts)is 1.8, length is 3x widest part, initial concept 89m length scale makes the ship 29.6 widest and only 16m thinnest, and that OBVIOUSLY isn't the case, cause the airlock is +5m wide(2 wing doors open on 1.6-2m, and are ~3.5-4m wide, around them goes entire structure of the docking bridge, and around that, the final outer structure of the airlock is)and can fit ~6 times into the width of the bow(easy to measure on the screen, and on model sketch-drawings)and 16m wide bow makes the airlock only 2.6-2.8m wide, so yeah MCRN light cruiser needs a rescale i.e. professional scale and review..
@@officaloutsidegames in the Expanse, ships are usually inside of 90 to 100% match between "paper" scale and the screen, the Roci i.e. light frigate is probably 46m + the antenna= 52m, or even few more, but it's not longer than 58m overall, Morrigan is "officially" 31m long, 10m deep and 9m wide, and looks like that on the screen, but sketch-drawings of the model don't have 3.1 ratio between lenght-depth, neither 3.444 between length-width, so BY DESIGN, on 31m Morrigan is 8-8.5m deep and 7-7.5 wide, and that is too small, so obviously Morrigan is 31m long BODY + the rest, but people don't get that, and "professionals" making those scales, reviews and specs should be more professional, but overall, the Expanse "paper" sizes fit pretty well with sizes on the screen, but suddenly s4 and s5 ships scales are way off, 20% minimum and over 30-50%, some up to 100%, the Tynan, the Chet 20-25% off, Matar ship, Golden Bough ship over 60%, "belter ferry" i.e. the Lazy Songbird 50%, "marco's pursuit ship" i.e. tv the Connaught close to 100%, the Pella i.e. MCRN light cruiser 70-80%, the Barkeith i.e. MCRN Class-D 40-50%..it's a mess, whoever took that job of scaling ships is an artist/VR designer, and art is not practical, or that person just sucks in that job, I don't know..
We can compare the Pella with the Chetzemoka, the Chet was scaled at 75m length, what by its design, makes the ship 28-29m wide, now the Chet docked on 60m long Tycho docks is 50% longer i.e. 90m long, it's easy to see, and it's a great shot, but let's use 75×29m for comparison with the Pella, and there we see that Pella's thinnest- the bow is wide as the Chet, and widest much wider, while on the "paper" scale, Pella's widest is wide as the Chet, and both ships have ~same engine cone diameter, while on the screen, the Pella has them much bigger too..
Ashford died a pointless and stupid death. Dude literally could have capped Marcos and died a legend. Instead he got spaced, idk if that's bad writing on the show or the books.
@@ThePartisan13 no, he went for Marco unprepared, and underestimated Marco, that mission was doomed from the start, problem is that experienced officer like Ashford, probably wouldn't make such mistake, and after some thinking, would call off the mission..
I really disliked that season. Marco and his fleet always felt like made up and conjured out of thin air.
Did you watch season 1-2-3?
That protomolecule stuff was insane tech. The only people to own a few grammes by then were the UNN and Marco Inaros. That means that the two richest people in the solar system at that point were the head of the UNN and Marco Inaros. He could have probably bought a whole planet let alone a few surplus warships, if he wanted to.
Whilst there was some great scenes and writing. Over all it still felt some what rushed in comparison to previous seasons and I feel that is the result of a lack of enough episodes. We didn’t get to see enough of Marco’s struggle building the free navy.
Drummer is spot on badass, the baddies on seasons 5&6 are shit. Legendary series went on a whimper.
The baddies wernt that bad, Karal was the first genuinely hateable antagonist who never had any chance of become a good guy (like Amos, Fred, Drummer, Avasarala, Ashford, Peaches and others did), Inaros was OK, bit of an idealist but certainly memorable, Filip TBH got far too much screentime. The real problem with S5 was Naomi, she just turned into the annoying character who helps no-one. S6 the problem was the curtailed filming due to covid nineteen, leading to a series far too short that spent too much time on an arc that just disappeared into the nether with no point (the Laconia arc)
I love that Drummer knows who Filip is the moment she sees him.
How could she not, the kid looks exactly like what you'd expect considering his parents. Great casting.