no, TCR also built mainly in Kunshan,China. and how is sweatshop defined? China provides more efficient production lines, otherwise you may not be able to buy these bikes
Thank you for your content. To say an integrated seat post is a positive because it avoids seat post clamps is an unusual take. The integrated seat post on my 5 year old TCR broke, sending me tumbling. Giant refused to warranty. Never liked it, and every experienced cyclist I know prefers a normal seat post. If integrated seat posts were better, they would be normal. Both these bikes are well-regarded, but avoid integrated seat posts whenever possible.
$4,649 on Canyon's website including Post, Cockpit and Pre-Mounted Dura -Ace Calipers (includes brake kit). Shows available in all sizes. Do they block you when you attempt to order?
TCR more aero according to David Arthur’s testing and that was on old gen with exposed cables. Overall I don’t think the Ultimate is on the same level, TCR is lighter, stiffer, more aero and better looking. Canyon fork so fat lol
I double dare you, compare that TCR to the last gen rim brake TCR purely for ride feel. I’ve no idea what the opinion would be but you know it would make a popular video.
TCR ADVANCED SL 0 (Dura Ace): 12299€ and 6.6kg Canyon Ultimate CFR DI2 (Dura Ace): 9999€ and 6.3kg TCR Advanced Pro 0 DI2 (Ultegra): 6499€ and 7.2kg Canyon Ultimate CF SLX 8 DI2 (Ultegra): 6499€ and 7.2kg So, why does the TCR wins your weight comparison? If you spec these bikes the same, the Ultiate wins on top level (while beeing cheaper. On mid level there is any difference...
I only have Giant bikes in my garage (currently a Propel and a Trinity but have had other Propel/TCR/SCR versions in the past). However, Canyon is the one other brand I'd cheat on Giant for...
Does the current 10th version TCR have the essentially identical ride feel with the previous 9th version TCR? I'd be particularly interested in the SL version.
Just bought a TCR Disc 1 Pro / it was on sale and also was at a bike shop I could test ride it / Canyon - love the colorways and the single headpiece cockpit and the horizontal top tube / Have been looking for someone to convince me I made the wrong purchase but it sounds like TCR Is an overall better bike than Ultiimate and It came with Ultegra groupset as opposed to the 105 / I'm just not a fan of the sloping top tube, two piece head set and colorway -- rides really well so far and couldn't say much about the weight difference from TCR to Ultimate
Best buy is tcr advanced pro 1 at 4700 euros. Carbon frame, carbon wheels (1440g) electric group, power meter and integrated cables routing. Unbeatable. Ps: giant advanced pro frames are more premium than canyon sl frame. Canyon equivalent is slx frame. You’re welcome 😂
The 2025 TCR is simply a bit too expensive and needs to come down to the old 2024 model RRPs quite quickly I think. So it’s hard to disagree with the overall conclusion, even if I disagree with the emphasis on the cockpit in this video.
The top tube is a large part of what makes it so super to ride. Aesthetically not to everyone’s tastes though, I admit, but then neither are dropped seat stays (although the Canyon Ultimate does strike a good balance in that regard).
Integrated seatpost, like get the f.. outta here Giant! Seriously who wants to have zero adjustability in seatpost, even if you are riding a long time set height, maybe you decide to try shorter or longer cranks or whatever change on bike and you are screwed... go sell the buy and get new one. That's nonsense. It's enough that we got integrated cockpits that are already issue for many buyers.
Giants pricing is off the charts, and Giants cut to fit seat post is a no go for a second hand sale afterwards and the all proprietary parts are not that "bling factor" to me. Carbon spokes nice to have, for 2k less i can buy another all out asian carbon wheelset (wich a dream material, too) to lower the weight of the canyon, if wanted - or you fly with the savings to Mallorca for a nice extra bike holiday week for just 150g more bike overall.
The idea that the Canyon Ultimate is even in the conversation is laughable. That being said, the Giant geometry is something to watch for. It doesn’t suit everybody, myself included.
Most "made in Taiwan" bikes are mostly made in China and shipped to Taiwan for paint and assembly, where they are able to get the "made in Taiwan" badge. As far as I know, Giant has most of their factories located in China as well. I don't know which one makes the TRC though.
@@JustSueMe buy the giant‘s top-end bike, they are made in taiwan surely At least buy the pro-grade frame ALL of the Merida（Specialized also） are made in China
The TCR Adv 2 is a good buy. Plus you can upgrade the wheels later.
Separate bar and stem is a benefit not a negative.
TCR, because I can buy the 2025 Advanced Pro frameset in the US for $2500. Canyon won't sell me a frameset in the US.
TCR all the way bebe! Easily best climbing bike I have ever ridden and descends like you are on rails.
I have that exact Ultimate and it’s a joy to ride. It’s so fast uphill and the small new aero tweaks make it faster than my last generation Ultimate.
Can you honestly tell it’s faster?! I’d imagine the wattage savings are so small?
@@abcdefg8134I’d like to know as well
I bought a used '19 TCR Advanced 1 with 62mm DTSwiss wheels and been riding it the past 2 mos. I love it!
TCR, made in a modern facility in Taichung, Taiwan.
Canyon, made in a dingy sweatshop in Dongguan, China.
no, TCR also built mainly in Kunshan,China. and how is sweatshop defined? China provides more efficient production lines, otherwise you may not be able to buy these bikes
Giant paint schemes are 🔥
Thank you for your content. To say an integrated seat post is a positive because it avoids seat post clamps is an unusual take. The integrated seat post on my 5 year old TCR broke, sending me tumbling. Giant refused to warranty. Never liked it, and every experienced cyclist I know prefers a normal seat post. If integrated seat posts were better, they would be normal. Both these bikes are well-regarded, but avoid integrated seat posts whenever possible.
💯. And good luck on the re-sale market. I wouldn’t go anywhere near an integrated seat post.
$4,649 on Canyon's website including Post, Cockpit and Pre-Mounted Dura -Ace Calipers (includes brake kit). Shows available in all sizes. Do they block you when you attempt to order?
TCR all the way.
Omg 😂
I think Canyon Ultimate is a complete endurance aeroad hybrid✌🏼
why is not a single reviewer comparing the cube litening air. completelly ignored only becaue cube never pays youtubers?
TCR more aero according to David Arthur’s testing and that was on old gen with exposed cables. Overall I don’t think the Ultimate is on the same level, TCR is lighter, stiffer, more aero and better looking. Canyon fork so fat lol
I double dare you, compare that TCR to the last gen rim brake TCR purely for ride feel. I’ve no idea what the opinion would be but you know it would make a popular video.
TCR ADVANCED SL 0 (Dura Ace): 12299€ and 6.6kg
Canyon Ultimate CFR DI2 (Dura Ace): 9999€ and 6.3kg
TCR Advanced Pro 0 DI2 (Ultegra): 6499€ and 7.2kg
Canyon Ultimate CF SLX 8 DI2 (Ultegra): 6499€ and 7.2kg
So, why does the TCR wins your weight comparison? If you spec these bikes the same, the Ultiate wins on top level (while beeing cheaper. On mid level there is any difference...
I only have Giant bikes in my garage (currently a Propel and a Trinity but have had other Propel/TCR/SCR versions in the past). However, Canyon is the one other brand I'd cheat on Giant for...
So the cockpit is too flexible for you but it's stiff enough for Philipsen and mvdp. Interesting.
Does the current 10th version TCR have the essentially identical ride feel with the previous 9th version TCR? I'd be particularly interested in the SL version.
what happened to tcr being affordable? $15k for top of the line tcr model is wild
Between TCR Advance Pro and Propel Advance Pro which one would you choose for a all round bike?
Just bought a TCR Disc 1 Pro / it was on sale and also was at a bike shop I could test ride it / Canyon - love the colorways and the single headpiece cockpit and the horizontal top tube / Have been looking for someone to convince me I made the wrong purchase but it sounds like TCR Is an overall better bike than Ultiimate and It came with Ultegra groupset as opposed to the 105 / I'm just not a fan of the sloping top tube, two piece head set and colorway -- rides really well so far and couldn't say much about the weight difference from TCR to Ultimate
You get 25mm of adjustment on the TCR ISP
Best buy is tcr advanced pro 1 at 4700 euros. Carbon frame, carbon wheels (1440g) electric group, power meter and integrated cables routing. Unbeatable. Ps: giant advanced pro frames are more premium than canyon sl frame. Canyon equivalent is slx frame. You’re welcome 😂
that canyon ultimate got updated last year for better aero profile. not 2021.
The 2025 TCR is simply a bit too expensive and needs to come down to the old 2024 model RRPs quite quickly I think.
So it’s hard to disagree with the overall conclusion, even if I disagree with the emphasis on the cockpit in this video.
What is this? A Giant advert?
I have a TCR, I'll rush right down to the local Canyon dealer to compare the two...
Still not a big fan of the sloping top tube on the Giant TCR. And those hookless rims are a deal breaker.
The top tube is a large part of what makes it so super to ride.
Aesthetically not to everyone’s tastes though, I admit, but then neither are dropped seat stays (although the Canyon Ultimate does strike a good balance in that regard).
Ikr those giant's are well priced, just those hookless rims are a risk not worth taking, so add another up to $2k for nice wheels to match
@tippy35075 that's why I bought the Adv Pro frame and just built it up from there.
Agree✌🏼
When I want to have a laugh I check your channel
Can you elaborate on how you see the geometry to be the almost the same?
Stack and reach numbers of both bikes are within a few mm
Love my TCR! Canyon blows
Why only review Top End... wha % of your viewership look to buy these?
TCR
Integrated seatpost, like get the f.. outta here Giant! Seriously who wants to have zero adjustability in seatpost, even if you are riding a long time set height, maybe you decide to try shorter or longer cranks or whatever change on bike and you are screwed... go sell the buy and get new one. That's nonsense. It's enough that we got integrated cockpits that are already issue for many buyers.
I'm pretty sure the Giant doesn't have dropped seat stays..
I'd take the Ultimate on cost alone.
Nairo Quintana used the Aeroad in the Giro and Jayco the Propel. Seems nobody uses these climbing bikes in the pro peloton.
Plenty of Jayco riders been using the TCR this year. What are you talking about?
Giants pricing is off the charts, and Giants cut to fit seat post is a no go for a second hand sale afterwards and the all proprietary parts are not that "bling factor" to me. Carbon spokes nice to have, for 2k less i can buy another all out asian carbon wheelset (wich a dream material, too) to lower the weight of the canyon, if wanted - or you fly with the savings to Mallorca for a nice extra bike holiday week for just 150g more bike overall.
None of the teams actually ride either of these bikes.
2 piece head set at that price would make it a no from me for the giant. I’m going canyon out the 2
None. The best is decathlon road bike which cost $400 because everyone can afford it. 😅😅😅
Yep, and McDonald's has the best burgers!
Ultimate CFR no rival
1st non bot
The idea that the Canyon Ultimate is even in the conversation is laughable.
That being said, the Giant geometry is something to watch for. It doesn’t suit everybody, myself included.
Yes the Canyon really is in the next league. And the TCR is butt ugly
@@shred3005 🥴🥴🥴
Giant. Of course. Canyon cheats
So, Giant payd you more than Canyon :)
damn bots
TCR is such a ugly looking bike … Doesn’t matter if it’s on sale or performs better, can’t change that it’s ugly as f##k !!
Canyon is ❤
Canyon made in China
Giant made in Taiwan
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@halitecheuk3050: I am now too scared to make comments about China on UA-cam. But all I would say (for now) is that I clearly understand.
Most "made in Taiwan" bikes are mostly made in China and shipped to Taiwan for paint and assembly, where they are able to get the "made in Taiwan" badge. As far as I know, Giant has most of their factories located in China as well. I don't know which one makes the TRC though.
@@JustSueMe : I know this is true as well.
@@JustSueMe buy the giant‘s top-end bike, they are made in taiwan surely
At least buy the pro-grade frame
ALL of the Merida（Specialized also） are made in China
Giant has a factory just outside Shanghai
Neither, buy a steel bike.
Aethos-----------> Giant TCR & Canyon Ultimate