Blizzard's WC3 PTR 3 patch is PRIMED & READY - release patch June 2024
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
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Blizzard's WC3 PTR 3 patch is PRIMED & READY (Live on 17-May-2024)
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00:00:00 Intro
00:02:55 Human Changes
00:14:04 Orc Changes
00:25:22 Night Elf Changes
00:48:42 Undead Changes
01:09:11 Neutral Changes
01:11:59 Items Changes
#GrubbyTalks #Thoughts #PTR #Review #Buffs #Nerfs - Розваги
Gruddy you should do a campaign commentary, above all i think it really teaches you how to use each unit properly, more or less, and the value of heroes
Never played warcraft, probably never will, but i still watch all these hour long videos lol
Same
Do it buddy
A kindred spirit
u probably never will cuz u don't think u can be a pro player like grubby or u don't think u have time to become good at warcraft, which is fine, i don't even play melee instead I play custom maps and do stuff in world editor, that's my jam, but never playing warcraft 3 is a sin, u should at least play the campaign once
Why? You need a hobby
Can't belive that my baby is coming back to life :D
If I were Happy, I would not be happy.
I'd be, like: "Sigh, here' we go again..."
Happy is never happy
Wow Im going to play Warcraft again after like a decade thanks to your videos, didnt know they are still updating the game lol
Cheers!
Actually big thanks for some warm words towards Happy today. I am sure he feels a lot of unjustified pain and hatred these days. He actually used to be quite sad and tired during his recent winter interview. I believe he totally deserves ur words of respect and appreciation. From one Champion to another - means a lot. I hope he sees this.
He should switch into HU or NE.
@@Igorsov No way. HU is his worst race. He'd sooner switch to orc.
@@OnionAddiction What are you on? HU is the most OP race in the game. Siege Engines alone makes it the Godly race…Gryphons, Spell Spell Breakers, Knights, Flying Machines…All HU units are usable while other races have only a few viable options.
@@Igorsov Reading comprehension 100
Loved the extra focus on how matchups will be effected by not only individual changes, but the changes as a whole. Felt very comprehensive, great breakdown.
Should have made wyverns 3 pop as well tbf
Final version should be all bugs that came with Reforged fixed, and all promises made by Blizzard finally implemented.
You have to wonder if that is coming...
Orc Great Hall really need to be buffed from 145 sec to 135 or even 130 sec...So orc can expend easier on T2 right now its just take to long.. :P
多谢Grubby为其他ud玩家仗义执言~~😀
it's cool that blizzard is consistently making all these patches but i hope they also improve the world editor for us mappers, not just the game itself
Only cause Happy can micro ghouls who have no HP so well doesnt mean all the other undead players can, its so tiresome that they just look at the best player and think thats OP. Every casual player will lose his ghouls in a second vs AOE/Spells. They need lots of micro.
Taurens pulverize should slow enemies movement speed
The Zeppelin food change is a Nerf to Computer AI FWIW as they nearly always buy one and just leave it by the Goblin Shop and never use it. So Computer AI will be one food down now in almost every game.
They do??? :thinking: I've never seen that
@@GrubbyTalks Unless this has been patched out at some point in Reforged then they always used to. I still play a lot of 1.29 with Computer AI and they do it all the time.
Yeah I just double checked and nothing officially saying it's been patched.
I found a Reddit post 4 years ago that says they still buy them and that's post Reforged.
They buy them and just leave them by the Goblin Shop and never use them.
Why tho we need computer ai updates too@@ElvenSpellmaker
Siege engine? Aren't they steam tanks?
@@GreatOne_1 Since Frozen Throne they have been Siege Engines, they changed the name and looks of some of the units to avoid copyright and being sued (Games Workshop filed a lawsuit in 2000/2001).
Several other units changed too, Gyrocopters became Flying Machines, Elven Ballista became Glaive Throwers, Owl Bears became Wildkin, Wyverns became Wind Riders, Catapults Became Demolishers. There's probably more and not all of them may have changed _because_ of the lawsuit but the tanks (and others) definitely did.
Gotta feel gratifying seeing that the Blizzard team is seeing your patch note videos and implementing them fairly closely. Nice work, Grubs.
I dont agree with the former world champion😅
Why do you assume, you have to go mass polymorph?
I feel like in orc vs human like 2 sorceress with no autocast can create psychological pressure. You can Interrupt tps or critical healwaves, which can win you the game on the spot. So the enemy has to play around it, like tping earlyer, playing safer, which gives you an edge.
And great content by the way❤
Grubby is just afraid playing as a orc vs human will be the same then facing talons 😂 he has ptsd.
I don't remember claiming you have to go Mass Polymorph :) I assure you, progamers do not suffer psychological pressure from the mere existence of Sorceresses. And Master Training Sorcs is not a liberty you can afford against an Orc who goes 7min30s expansion against HU 1-base breaker caster
Its really hard to go tier 3 master training against orc.
You're gonna do all that tech and spend all those resources just for two sorce and "psychological pressure"?
You're going to invest tier 3, 100 gold, 150 lumber, and 75 seconds of your arcane sanctum for "psychological pressure".
Yeah, the pros who have spent literal tens of thousands of hours in one game are going to be so scared. lmao
Hi Grubbs!
I love how research and development is still ongoing in a game as old as this.
yesss ive been saying make it require temple of the damned since the first PTR im glad they listened to someone else who said the same thing probably
I like how all of these videos comes with the introductory warning "reforged sucks".
Neo said, that this zeppelin change was Lawliet suggestion.
Well, to me, as viewer, zeppelin drops not really fun, so it's pretty fair.
Worker tierlist
Hero items tierlist
Orb effect tierlist
Hero non-ultimate abilities tierlist
Non-hero abilities tierlist
Building tierlist
Upgrade tierlist
Matchup tierlist
This could go on forever
Grubby, we (the people who last played WC3 20 years ago and now are craving for tierlists) have spoken!!
Single Player Campaign Mission Tier List
Cinematics tier list.
Mercenary tier list! Creep tier list!
Mercenary tier list! Creep tier list!
Summons tier list pls ☝️
51:22 and heroes since HeroArmor doesn't reduces NormalType damage
crazy idea for hippo rider buffs
what if they kept the hippogryoh attack while mounted as well?
follows normal archer ai
if microed into melee range/ say garogyle in melee ranage with them they do the hippo attack and the archer attack (at normal attack speeds for each) , or maybe just the hippo attack?
Picked this cooking vid while I eat my lunch, ends up learning about wc3 patch notes of year 2024 ✅🧠
Last time I played actual PvP in this game was probably back in like 2005, but it's interesting it's still getting balance patches (I'm sure if Starcraft 2 even gets that).
Hail to Grubby, an orc master that has the most reasonable view on ghouls and UD in general :) Hope you're reading this, in which case I hope you will remember this - removing scrooll of healing from Tomb is sufficient enough nerf to frenzy ghoul T3 timing. All this other tweaking and whining on ghouls was for nothing. You'll see :)
ive come back to wc3 after 20 years and still remember the video i watch vs you and moon. you lost but i was rewarded with the best memory of you killing Moons Beastmaster using BM. you came out of WW and right as you hit him for the killing blow you wrote "chop" and this drove me and my roommate nuts with laughter and amazement on how fast "chop" was typed and timed with this killing blow. Do you remember this? or know where i can find this video? was telling my girlfriend about it... anyhow glad i found you again and would be great if you made a 20food, 50 food and 100 food dream team, mvp team. if you could make a army with any unit and hero would be fascinating to hear the whos and whys.
Patch idea: increase Sorc breast size
"I'm getting closer to intermediate level every day"
Grubby is humble.
If that is the case then I am getting closer to the level of a trained chimp.
Just wanna say, loved you on the TC podcast!
Is this a wc3 pod???
@@wisconsinengines AoE2 :P
Can you drop the name of the podcast or episode?
@@cgoldbac i think it's the latest episode, it's called the town center podcast
Changes are good, thx blizzard (or microsoft) to keep this game up to date and they don't scare to experiment.
Do you know what happened to Wc3 unit statistics page in Liquipedia? There was a list that worked similar to Broodwar and SC2 that it was deleted. Unless they are waiting for the patch before implementing it again 😅
Try messaging/emailing the people at TL, maybe they know?
Blizzard is almost guaranteed to mess this up. Not holding breath.
350 ms units are : Dryads (ne t2) and Huntress (ne t1), Knights (hum t3), Raiders (orc t2), Frenzy Ghouls (ud t3).
Some fact, frenzy ghoul can kill no grade footman 1v1 with 4-5% advantage (health remaining). What a beast.
Would it be nice to nerf all 350ms units aswell?
Raiders are absolutely broken unit due to ensnare alone, but also S+ tier just by having siege damage and 350 ms.
Knights who have ~25% more dps than aboms, tankier than bears and move 30% faster than bears/taurens/aboms. Also one of the cheapest units in the game (per food)
Huntress and Dryads both worst fighting units due to their low dps and ehp. While piercing/siege damage turn them into running fast exp tomes. They can run whatever fast they want.
Love Grubby calling putting Wand of Negation behind getting Temple "kinda genius" when it was his suggestion.
Edit: so the summary of meta buffs/nerfs is Night Elf gets the more buffs and Undead the most nerfs which is fine in that particular matchup (which is imo the most tilted in one direction) but in the rest it might be too much. I doubt Human will now start losing against NE but in particular Orc seems to become much better against UD and much worse against NE.
Think of Wyverns like the Venomancer from dota with the second skill only maxed out.
Is it better to keep attacking one creep, or to spread the poison by changing targets?
Would multiple such Venomancers be more effective or not?
This change is good in the sense that many players almost never go few Wyverns, so the team is reducing the punishment for lossing a mass of hit-n-run units which were never intended for a head-2-head kind of skirmirsh.
They are if not the best companion to the wolf raider due to the potential combo with Ensnare.
They don't even need the attack upgrade as much, so you can focus on the upgrades for melee units instead.
- Demo 230ms would probably be best.
- Dragonhawk 18 probably
Taurens would fly now with TC and Shaman support. :D
Maybe they should have only +10 instead of 20 as well.
Fully agreed with the control magic comment.
And on the other changes for human/orc.
Why would Resistant Skin be too strong on Taurens? Taurens are currently countered by two separate unit categories (Flyers with magic damage & casters), they're roughly even with ranged units who they can be kited by, and only do well vs. melee units who stand and fight.
Flyers with magic damage would continue to obliterate Taurens.
Casters would be a mixed bag, it'd help big time against some spells (Possession, Polymorph, Cyclone), other spells would be nerfed against Taurens but would still be effective (Slow, Cripple), and the rest of the spells would be largely unaffected (Faerie Fire, Curse).
Against ground melee and ranged units, Resistant Skin would do nothing.
Against heroes, crowd control spells like Entangle would be weaker, but by Tier 3 that's irrelevant, you should have plenty of dispel to deal with Entangle by then.
On the contrary, I think even with Resistant Skin, Taurens would still be largely unuseable.
grubby coming at you with the life advice every video. You seem like a really happy and satisfied person. I hope you do play long enough to become a more casual player :)
How would a restructure of the witch doctors spell change their viability?
Such as a base healing ward, apprentice sentry, master stasis with some tweaking of mana and durations? This would make witch doctors more of a healer for orcs
thanks grubby🎉🎉🎉❤
Yeah, reduce flame strike channeling time! KOREA
I think nerubian piercing damage is mainly aimed at wyvern harassing acolytes.
I feel like we rarely see level 6 hero abilities being used currently. Games seem to end before a hero gets to that point.
I love that Blizzard still works on these patches. However, I need to say that it pains me to see so many text mistakes in these notes. It really shows how little Blizzard cares about these notes and gives the feeling that there's a single intern working on these. Whether that's true, I can't tell. And it could be a single intern even if there were no typos. But come on... at least be professional about your communication to give your community the *feeling* that there might be a skillful team working on this.
Thank you for all you do for WC3, Grubby!
Found you through aoe podcast. Love listen to your videos.
Tried wc3 several times in Lan with friends but so far I just can't get a handle on the game.
Not beeing able to set hotkeys and not beeing able to see more than 3 buildings and 5 units because of the ridiculous close max zoom is really hurting my joy with wc3.
Can you make an item tier list? Creep items. It's probably hard to do because it depends on match up. So maybe do a notepad and go over a summary which items are good on which heroes and match ups. Maybe go over the neutral shop items too.
Seems like everyone ignores changes to neutral creeps, but they received so many nerfs, doesnt it open possibility to reach lvl 3 or get op item quickly? id love to see some research on that
Hey grubby please advocate for some buffs on non meta abilities since they listen to you
Life drain, rain of fire, summon hawk, summon bear, pocket factory, cluster rockets, summon doomguard
Like 5 extra dmg or lower mana/cdr kind of stuff that would be hella exciting ✌️
N.E.
- Searing Arrow lvl 3 seems too much
- Tranquility probably need some additional change instead of numbers only, 100 feels too fast, maybe aoe increase, removal of blight in case it doesn't already, etc
- wisp hp 125 best?
- not sure about moonwells, guess we will have to see how it goes
- do agree with other changes
UD
- agreed about ghouls 80 to 70ms instead of 50
- yay for the negation wand, we just need to think if other races need a building requirement for a shop item on tier 2, so it is fair to the undead
- great for the other changes
- overall, one indirect effect on changing building and research timings is that experienced players may need to adjust their near perfect base management rotations
Neutral
- agreed about circlet 200
- the other changes seem fine and agree with the Zep. comments
when is the next tier list video coming out?
Soon enough AI will be doing definitive balance patches. And that is something very welcome not only for WC3 but for gaming in general.
52:17 The end of ghouls….Once again a huge hammer has been used…
How about a tierlists of these patches?
with how good you are man... wouldn't it be sick if you could compare Sun Tzu's art of war excerpts to how you play warcraft 3? And more 'military' stuff in general? haha you'd be a sick general
I have done that a lot in 2003-2010 (for myself)
@@GrubbyTalks danggg!
1:12:14 Another Happy nerf….
I wanna see Tauren with Plainstriding, increasing movespeed until the attack or stop
I’m really up for new unit, new spell, new items… etc.if the game sees some changes that are not just a cosmetic change that will be reverted an year it will be so much more fun to play again. Apart from that, fair option from grubby. I don’t think Happy deserves to have changes just so others can win against him. If he’s that good - others will have to deal with it, even though I really don’t like him as a person and a content creator.
polymorph maybe useful in 4v4?
been playing Azeroth Reborn, it's the WC3 campaign faithfully remade in SC2. It's really well made and I'm having a blast with it.
Recently there's also this SC2 mod being played a lot where you can play the BW races vs the SC2 races which is also a blast.
Now I'm wondering, can't we have a PvP mode for Azeroth Reborn in SC2? 😀
Maybe somewhere down the line someone could figure out how to play WC3 races vs SC2 and BW races 😆
I don't understand your take on NE is lacking v HU but then say if NE gets a buff HU needs one too to make up for it but then how does that help? Like if you need to buff whatever race why would you buff the one who's stronger as well? Then nothing will change no?
Amazing video though got into WC3 through you since a few weeks
thx🎉
Good luck to Labrynth and 120 KEKW!
what if I programmed an AI to follow Grubby's advice every patch release... i'd be rolling in gold
Ladder and many other things still broken...Wc3 Reforgered destroyed this legendary game and this patch will not change it.
there must be a way to make everything balanced in wc3 we just cannot find it cuz it's extremely hard it's almost impossible
This is a huge overdramatisation. Most other companies would have shut down the servers a decade ago (with SC2's release). Meanwhile, WC3 is still getting patches - after a drought of 2011-18.
- Adûnâi
@@angamaitesangahyando685 wc3 is still peak, idk what that guy is talking about
True but the player base is still here
@@michalvrabec454 on peak was it before reforged
they should make an expansion that adds and develops all the cut content of warcraft 3... more races (naga...) and more maps or hell just make Warcraft4 and give it current day events and races imagine campaigns of all the major content of world of warcraft, it's not like blizzard cant do it.... they just seem to have lost their spark for the games that gave them their fame....
just imagine a good trailer for a reforged expansion, it would bring in so many new players.
i want this new patch
1:08:50 Undead? Based on Happy again? I hope you are kidding. HU & NE are the best.
Grubby, what if witch doctor earns a mana ward at tier 3? It would be imbalanced? Trap ward is useless, nobody uses and it's easy to destroy, a Mana Ward at tier 3 would be an attractive for orc go to fortress more and more, what do you think about it?
I can't believe WC3 gets more patch notes and tuning than World of Warcraft PvP does.
What if wyverns become a 3 pop cost get less damage like -2 or -3 and poison reduction (like 20% ). Gold cost reduced to like 3/4, health stays same or a verry slight debuff. So at least when you get caught/ nava ed you don't instantly lose the game as consequences for losing 2-3 units will be less. This can also allow adding some wyvern into your army without massing them as an alternative to berserkers. This would be a clear buff.
It will probably be abused tho, esp if its a human player playing orc yk.
Wyvern is a glass cannon strategy, if you just go wyverns you pretty much have to win on the spot or you lose, which is a good thing Mass air strategies are bad for the game.
Orc has great ground units I’m sure your brain is big enough to make a versatile army instead of just Wind riders 🙂
Tauren should get more melee attack range, like 150 in total.
Missing the „Added new races so our game becomes good“-line
I‘m joking
Would be cool if taurens get bloodlust if hp is below 30%
1:06:58 Then tell us how UD should be able to avoid a cancellation with an Archimage level 3 with water elementals? I am into all ears. This is not even enough, should be -10 seconds.
watched it at double speed and was wondering if I was really on x2 😂
Tauren are back to tier 3?
Why? Por que? Great pronunciation.
ggs
Damn grubby you look great didnt age a bit since your teens .
You gotta be kidding me. Waiting for 20 years for a potm buff, and they reverted the searing arrow buff before it even went live. God forbid that a D tier hero would become C tier.
How you can be excited for blizzard getting back into the kitchen with wc3 is beyond me, This company turns everything it touches into garbage for a long time now. I'm still mad that reforged broke some of my favorite custom games permanently and still the new reforged engine cant run them the way they used to be able to. (wintermaul wars specifically)
Because it's his favorite game and he is glad at least there is a little bit of good evolution?
There is a difference between being happy with Reforged and being happy at least there is some good things going on despite the absolute doom Reforged has done to this game.
@@garroshhellscream594 yes but the chance of blizzard making "good evolution" as opposed to Disasterous seems low to me. Them touching any of their old titles sounds dangerous to me.
@@saltiney8578 instead of shitting your pants and crying, how about you look at the changes and decide based on merits whether or not theyre good?
I really don't see potm getting any use with these new changes, she's such a bad hero and those small changes are not going to change that. If I had the power to buff her searing arrows, I would straight up double the damage, make it 20/40/60, would that be too much? Maybe, but she's been a bottom-tier hero for 20+ years, she deserves some time out in the spotlight.
It's not about "deserve" it's about balance She is a late game hero for trueshot. She will never compete with demon hunter or keeper. Free units= too good. Manaburn= no hero abilities.
@@silviuvisan505 You're right, it is about balance. She is unbalanced and will not compete with KOTG and DH, because she is bad. If she is to be balanced she needs to be buffed, and what she is getting is not enough to make her balanced. You can make the argument that she is good enough with level 3 trueshot aura with a 100 food army of archers, dryads and chims, but 99.9% of all games will not reach that point, so it is a moot point.
48 searing arrow dmg??
nerfing ghouls? wtf
I think Wisps now survive lvl 2 Carrion Swarm... ,_,
I'm still hurt that reforged just split our custom game maker community with Asia and non asian players.
Imagine if wc3 had dota items
How about TC resurrecting certain number of Taurens along with himself? I think this would be interesting mechanic. Truly tauren chief now 🙃
Cool idea!
Seperent ward kek
Honestly when i see that numerical changes i believe 80% of player base doesn't see a lot of change and that what i doesn't like. For other 20% maybe they see that changes and go 120% of mind capacity for new strats. But wouldn't it be more fun if they just drops BIG changes for all community go nuts and going trying new things? In the end who knows, when they change tauren tier everyone like wake up from they slumber and go trying it? Was it fun? Tldr I personally will be pretty hype for that more big changes then for some numbers here and there
You will break the balance of the game and launch all the multiplayer in absolute chaos with no one being able to understand what to do.
@@garroshhellscream594 And? What the problem with learning new things and adapt it to gameplay? Like I get it that there people who play the same game for 5+ years and don't want massive change for example chess - game that don't change for 1000+ years. But hey it's just my opinion that learning a finding new is fun.
With the recent patches Night Elves are extremely vulnerable to harass on low and mid level, even Pros are struggling in certain match-ups.Talking against the small survivability buffs would not do any good to the race... Especially the wisps, it is ridiculously easy to harass them as human or undead, what you are saying is simply not fair...
Theres way too many drastic changes happening. I know weve established on this channel that changes are better than nothing, as it brings attention to the game. But some of these changes alter the essence of the game. Example: 20 move speed to demos is ridiculous and changes the unit entirely
Elf no.1 again. Why would you buff 2 Skills of Keeper? Treants are already good and cheap
Keeper got 11 nerfs since the end of 2018.
Blizzard wants zeppelin to be fair not fun 😂
Fun is just a buzzword, balance is what video games are about. - Some guy with OCD who game devs and brought us to this place
I highly dislike the randomness in WC3. Unit and hero damage, item drops, miss chance, crit chance etc. I prefer the way SC2 handles it with flat numbers.
They gotta fix the frame rate, the game is unplayable in multiplayer. And unidentifiable with OG graphics
Seems like Night Elf is currently in the "human" phase. They struggle in a single matchup, cries non-stop as if they have zero chance in every single matchup, and somehow managed to convince blizzard that they needed a significant buff in every area.
Human has almost every single unit usable and viable while night elf only has dryad and bear and archers as staples...
@@planetary-rendez-vousRight, so let's fix that by buffing moon well, nature's blessing, and wisp which affect the entire race, and not just some specific strats
@@kevin-7091 haven't said anything else about it, but night elf is definitively not in the same place as human likewise
Idk but buffing those don't feel like they do anything, but moon wells are welcome...
@@planetary-rendez-vousIf you think an extra 10 hp to every worker and extra 50 lumbers to spend in tier 2 is not doing anything, you probably shouldn't even talk about balance to start with
I posted this already on one of back2warcaft videos, but i would also like to know what Grubby viewers think about it:
According to w3champions (1.36.1 patch) 2200+ mmr stats:
hum 56% vs 44% ud; (~11.9% difference, so hum wins 56/44 = ~27% more games)
ne 46.2% vs 53.8% ud; (7.6% diff, ud win ~16% more)
orc 49.6% vs 50.4% ud; (~0.8% diff, ud win ~1.7% more games)
also, knowing 3 Happy's accounts, we can subtract his stats from those. Then same state (but excluding Happy's wins and loses):
hum 66.6% vs 33.4% ud; (~33.2% difference, humans win ~199.2% more games)
ne 52.7% vs 47.3% ud; (~5.4% difference, nelves win ~11% more)
orc 55% vs 45% ud; (~10% difference, orcs win ~22.4% more)
It basically shows us - ud (excluding Happy) have no 50%+ matchup, and only 33% vs human.
But in defence of "ud imba whiners" this stats are only from w3champions, not including going tournaments etc. So maybe those thousands of 2200+ games are just a joke for you. I'm planning collecting some tourney stats too, so it would be less "biased" or whatever.
Tournaments and ladder games are entirely different things and should be judged separately.
In Starcraft 2 there is, for instance, a pretty major discrepancy between the power of Protoss on ladder and how it performs in professional tourneys. The reason for that is it's a cheese-focused race (due to various design decisions it sucks at playing 'straight up') which typically is not a good playstyle for tournaments. It is, however, great for ladder.
@@uxie6177 from what i gathered for last patch. And it was almost the same - if you exclude Happy tourney stats are even worse for ud than ladder.
@@nightyonetwothree
Oh yeah, I don't play WC3 I have no idea what stuff is like. I was just pointing that out cause you mentioned no tourney results, just wanted to say that ladder vs tournament balance should honestly be weighed separately. Having something that dominates ladder but sucks in tournaments or vice versa isn't really that uncommon of a thing.
It's really tricky to exclude one player or even base stats on 1-3 players, but it does show HU has recovered a LOT vs UD (maybe too much!)
Here i pick w3champions (1.36.1 patch) 2200+ mmr stats.
And remove 3 highest ranked players of other races (Kaho, Sok, Focus):
hum (Sok excluded) 56.1% vs 43.9% ud (with Happy in); (12.2% diff, so hum wins 28% more games)
ne (Kaho excluded) 45.7% vs 54.3% ud (Happy included); (8.5% difference, ud and Happy won 18.7% more)
orc (Focus excluded) 50.2% vs 49.8% ud (Happy included); (0.5% difference, orc win over ud 1% more)
And now same stats, but both Happy and those players will be excluded:
hum (no Sok) 67.7% vs 32.3% ud (no Happy); (35.3% fidderence, humans win 209% more)
ne (no Kaho) 52.5% vs 47.5% ud (no Happy); (5% difference, elves win 11% more)
orc (no Focus) 56.3% vs 43.7% ud (no Happy); (12%+ difference, orcs win 29% more)
It's almost the same numbers as before.
My overall statement is how heavily Happy influences the statistics - he alone (with 3 accounts) played ~3x more games than those 3 players combined and have the most insane winrates (~80% vs human/orc, 90% vs ne, 88% vs ud).
Also, I didnt found Lyn and Forti in the very top on w3c (maybe they have accs, but played low number of games and not reach high mmr?). But i'll argue stats would be much worse for ud if they been played a lot.
I;m planning of gathering tourneys info of this patch as next step of analysys.
Im kinda worried though, as of now the matchup HU - UD is very balanced or even slightly in favor of HU (especially because of how much more easily HU can expand and cancel UD expo in return)… You can always argue and justify each change one by one but you need to evaluate them all together, and in this case its not ok. Overall, the nerf UD is getting by decreasing ghoul frenzy by 40% and taken into account with the HU rifle buff, it will make HU way too strong, and even taken alone those 2 changes are unjustified. First HU is in a really good place right now in compared to all races and they dont deserve any buffs. Keep in mind if you go pala rifles with some priests, if you have only 10 of them your army now has 100 extra hp with inner fire and devotion aura armor bonus ON TOP of those 100 hp. Completely unfair sorry, also respect to the other races. And second, the nerf ghoul frenzy got is way too much, they could have started by decreasing mov speed by half of that so around 15 which would have been a 20% nerf (which is already huge) and see from there how it goes. They just decided to place ghouls in wheel chairs for no reason with this. This will destroy the HU - UD balance. And I didnt even talk about the polymorph on top of this.
Unfortunately I can see where you come because you dont talk about the UD - HU matchup but about the HAPPY - FORTI matchup. If you do that you will have obviously to nerf UD more than what would be fair to compensate happys skills which will backfire unfairly on the other UD players, and thats why you should not do that with all due respect, besides the fact that nerfing a player because he is good is not the right message to give, its the opposite, the game should be as balanced as possible in order for the best player to win.
hearing you on this fr