My advice to Asian Americans: stop placing your chips and banking on Hollywood to do you right. Support and consume Asian media from Asia like K-Dramas, Korean film, Korean shows, C Dramas, Chinese shows and Chinese film. It’s where we are portrayed with no strings attached. No weird caveats that you see in Asian representation in Western media. None of the whole making the character’s whole personality about being Asian. Just good writing, better quality(yes, now a days better than Hollywood’s quality), a variety of genres/themes, and the character just happens to be Asian. And the success of Asian media from Asia time and time again proves to be the driving for of leverage we have in the Western media space. Look at Bruce Lee’s career even. He was a struggling actor in Hollywood that had to cover his face with a mask and had no speaking lines. It wasn’t until he got frustrated, went to Asia, created movies in how he wanted to be portrayed, those movies becoming international hits, THEN did Hollywood come knocking at his door to allow him to be portrayed the way he wanted to be portrayed. It’s literally the blueprint. You can even relate this to what Malcom X once said about Chinese/Asian people. “There used to be a saying of ‘you’ve got a Chinaman’s chance’ which implied you’ve got no chance. This saying came to be when China was poor and weak. But when China became stronger, so did the respect for the Chinese grow in the Western countries they lived in.” I’m paraphrasing a bit but he was pretty much implying a strong home country/base equates to a stronger diaspora. We need to invest in an even stronger home base for our media back home in our native countries. The respect in Western media will follow.
The US prefers a weak China subservient to the west. China becoming stronger in the past decade has not been one of respect, but one of fear and loathing of the east overtaking the west. The booming Japanese economy of the 80s posed a threat to US supremacy until the enforced Plaza Accord stifled the J economy for decades. China won’t be as easy to take down even with sanctions, embargos, tariffs and million dollar demonization campaigns. Until a military conflict happens, we can enjoy terrific Chinese dramas such as The Disguiser, Nirvana in Fire, The Untamed, Rise of the Phoenix, Joy of Life, Tribes and Empires that have attracted fans among Chinese and non-Chinese viewers. Talented hot and charismatic Chinese actors also have fan girls of various nationalities swooning as seen with the enthusiastic reception Xiao Zhan received at Milan Fashion week .
No, to what you said, and I'm Asian from an Asian country. If Asian Americans/Westerners only support Asian entertainment from Asia, all you are doing is benefit the Asian ( not American ) film industries. Then Asian American talent will have to got to Asia for work and that will further denote them as "foreigners" in America. You want Western respect for Asian media, OK, but then its Asians in Asia who will benefit not Asians who are citizens of Western countries. I would like to see AMERICAN stories with Asians in them, acting like Westerners/Americans because that's what they are. Bruce Lee ( an American ) never moved beyond Bruce Lee the kung fu guy. I want more than that for Asian Western entertainers. And I want Western stories from the West and Asian stories from Asia. The last thing I want is Asian Americans trying to act Asian in Asian movies,, some of them having Western accents when speaking Asian languages - inauthentic. The diaspora should be loyal to the West, not Asia, don't be a cultural traitor, because that's a slippery slope.
Yea it's actually a trend for this to happen. Donnie yen also had to leverage his existing fame to get better backstop and lines for his character Cain in John Wick. If he was just an AA actor, he'd likely basically be a mute goon with a gimmick.
@gobyfish1399 asian American projects don't get Greenlit until they are past their prime or have self loathing narratives. Asian people need to put all our supposed money into backing creative areas and forming production companies.
@@gobyfish1399 What you don't understand is that the system is rigged against Asian Americans. Ke Huy Quan tried and had to spend decades working as an extra until he got lucky with EEAO and that's him being lucky. Many Asian-Americans have had to go to Asia in order to become successful and they've managed that in a few years, whereas in America they've had to spend decades. This is a massive neglect of talent. Michelle Yeoh became famous in America over 2 decades ago when Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon came out. What is the notable Hollywood work she's done between that and EEAO? Nothing. What happened when Asian superstars went to Hollywood? 99.9% of their projects are inferior to what they've done in Asia. Why should they be loyal to the West, when the West treats them like garbage? You go be loyal to the West if you're such a big fan of Hollywood.
Hollywood is getting boring, they don't have a lot of new ideas, X-Men XI, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, etc, they are all old franchises. Plus, Hollywood has never really cared about casting East Asian actors. This is why a lot of Asian people don't care for it. Besides, there are a lot of great movies from China, Japan, and South Korea.
And Hollywood's need to remake everything, focus on superhero content along with casting the same 10-20 actors in everything, despite there being thousands of talent actors available, is just so annoying. Then there's also how many prominent Hollywood actors who just act as themselves in everything. When I watch content from Asia, I see these actors constantly challenging themselves with new types of roles.
Who gives a F@#! About Hollywood? Why make Asian actors work in movies that are beneath them? Why is Hollywood that important? I just watch new Chinese movies on UA-cam. They're great with better stories and better actors than anything Hollywood can do.
Because Hollywood has the most influence with their vast reach. And they have the ability to influence the masses more so than any other entity. And when this huge marketing machine continues to put out nasty stereotypes of Asians over & over again (always projecting Asians to be oddball out), especially Asian males then its not surprising when so many Asians in society are verbally assaulted, taunted, Asian children bullied, elders physically assaulted, and paid less money for doing the same engineering job then both their white and black counterparts (look at the study done by Penn State Univ). That's why, Asians need to wake up and get involved in politics and don't be fooled by DEI, it will only hurt Asians, its just like Affirmative Action only worded differently. Affirmative Action policies at elite Universities forced Asian students to score higher on SAT and GPA than any other ethnicity. Same will happen to professional fields like law, medicine, engineering. Many who have researched it is clearly showing the road map. As DEI requires more blacks to be accepted as medical doctors, lawyers, engineers and it is being done by lowering the test standards for entrance. Just read what AMA (American Medical Association) is doing, they are going to start lowering their test standards so that more "people of color" can pass the test and become doctors. Well do you know what that means for Asians who were already passing these exams without it being lowered? Now they have to compete for that MD job at Kaiser, Stanford or any other hospital against another minority who didn't do as well. Also, now these hospitals under DEI are required to hire a certain amount of black applicants no matter what. It's already happening at many high tech firms in the marketing and engineering departments. Asian people have no clue what is going and better wake up!
Because Hollywood has immense power to influence its audience and its audience is very big and world wide. And Hollywood has influenced these people to treat Asians in a very negative manner, including verbal and physical attacks.
As for the disparity between south and east Asians, I've always said this. Completely different races, religions, cultures and languages. You see it in UA-cam comments whenever there's discrimination Vs east Asians, the south Asians come in and say nothings wrong.
As a south Asian who remembers being in middle and high school post 9-11, I think it is absolutely shameful that Desis are not supporting our Chinese friends during this rise of Asian hate. I am Muslim and my wife is Chinese, we should have more Desi-East Asian solidarity.
I hear ya but my family is from Thailand and there's a big Indian influence on the culture and religion spanning thousands of years. Thai borrows quite a bit of words from sanskrit which comes from India and Thai buddhism comes from India as well. Even some of the Thai's I've met in Thailand have had darker complexions and bigger eyes with full double eyelids appearing more South Asian than Thai to me but still claim full Thai speaking only Thai.
Representation is such an annoying thing when it's used like this. I watched Jackie Chan, Jet Li, and Bruce Lee not cause they were asian but because they made movies i wanted to see. Same with Stallone and Arnold. I was never like oh this movie has Asian people in it I gotta watch it.
They are basing this character off of Oda Nobunaga’s retainer who was black. The problem with this situation is that they are trying to elevate his status.
Looking for asian representation in Hollywood is like looking for it in the NBA. I was stuck watching local tv growing up and now thanks to the internet, I have a choice to what I want to watch. Sometimes I feel like eating sushi, sometimes I want a taco. Really depends on my mood.
@@foreststretchinghawk63 - depending on POV - I didn’t have these “privilege” as a 1 generation immigrant working class kid. It’s just stories I hear and don’t want it for my kids. I/we let our kids find and pursue their own interests (mountain biking) and we are just there to foster and facilitate. Not to say academics are not important. We just don’t want to overload our kids and us.
I can also create the narrative, "Asian parents worked their asses off and sacrificed more then any other ethncity to give their kids a greater likelihood for success."
Nah, thankfully my parents enjoyed movies and I saw a lot of films from Asia. Imo it did a lot for my self perception and any type of cultural attachment.
I think the best way to depict Asians in an authentic manner is to depict their traditional systems of values in a positive light, using terms that the wider audience can understand. For a hero to say, "this will bring me honor," does little to an viewer who hardly uses the word honor or perceives they have scant use for that concept. This is a challenging task for western producers of entertainment, made even more difficult by the need to use western words or values to explain the plot.
Are you talking about Asian stories or Asian American stories ? Not the same thing. Hollywood should make Asian American stories, not Asian stories. The West cannot make Asian stories better than Asia. Don't even try.
I think Stephen Yeun is up there now with John Cho/Hiroyuki Sanada and Jackie Chan was bigger than Bruce Lee in terms of accolades. Bruce Lee got famous BECAUSE he died.....
@@chengliu872 thousands of movies getting made every year and we have to go back to the time we were in diapers to dig up a hollywood movie with asian male leads? TBF, there have been a handful. though the keyword here is handful
TV movies, like Romance in Hawaii, Why Can't my life be Rom Com from E channel, Tourists Guide to Love from Netlfix , The greatest Hits movie from hulu this year, Sophie rising sun movie has good AM representation who gets to kiss the girl from them
asians who were the eternel Fu man chu and the Lady butterfly don't need hollywood anymore because we have better...KDrama,hk movies even japanese sentai or thai lakorn ...it's funny how they say asians don't spend on entertainment when you know lot of asians have subscription on asians channel like MBC world,SBS, CCtv china or NHK and even before that when video clubs were a thing,we also had our own way to watch asian movies and drama that would never have been on any western tv channel...just by going to the local chinese/asian store and ask them what kind of video they had and then we would rent a 54 episodes TVB HK wu xia pian or even an hindi movie dubbed with chinese or thai voices🤣
It just sucks our culture doesn't encourage boldness. Its hard to find an Asian dude who's good looking, funny, and charismatic in Hollywood, the Ryan Gosling, Chris Hemsworth archetype. If we don't have a combination of 2/3 of those, they'll be hard to market.
Yeah but look at a Daniel Wu or Daniel Henney who can't get any decent roles even side (2nd banana) roles in Hollywood. The predominate white Hollywood establishment is discriminating against these Asian men. They have to go back to Asia and or South Korea to get acting roles and recognition.
Speak for yourself. Koreans are pretty cool and very bold. SK is the only country that enacts anti-Google law, Korean guys in physical 100 are amazingly strong, aggressive and talented. Don't lump rest of Asian from Asia with you bananas.
There’s actually ALOT to choose from when you look at Korean films/shows. Lots of handsome, tall, charismatic and funny actors in that medium. Park Seo Joon, Nam Joo Hyuk, Ji Chang Wook, Cha Eun Woo, Gong Woo, etc. and there’s young actors in the American sphere like Mackenyu and Justin Chien. I don’t buy that there aren’t Asian actors that fit this criteria available or that Asian culture doesn’t promote you to be bold. Look no further than Asian media in Asia and you’ll see Asian male actors that check all those boxes. The problem here is Hollywood as an industry itself.
I don't doubt that many consumers may be more inclined to gravitate towards watching films involving actors that look like them, but the pendulum is also swinging in the other direction. When identity politics becomes elevated above the quality of the plot, people become emboldened to rebel against these DEI initiatives, whose aim is to arbitrarily fill racial quotas. The issue isn't that representation is unimportant; the issue pertains to sacrificing creative integrity at the altar of political correctness.
Wouldn’t look up to Dwayne Johnson as a poster boy for Asians after the Maui incident where he asked people to donate for Maui when he wasn’t even donating himself
The vast majority of people do not see Dwayne Johnson as Asian which is why even the MAGA racists on social media do not say Dwayne Johnson should go back to China or make Ching Chong jokes about Dwayne Johnson.
but I gotta admit, ever since Gangnam Style blew up in 2011 and the situation with Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump with their love triangle which was really entertaining on top of that you have BTS and BLACKPINK dominating the charts the last couple of years and let’s not forget about Asian hate in 2020 which highlighted the rooftop Koreans, unfortunately, my dad’s Colombian restaurant almost got burnt down by these hyenas but I will always be grateful since they were protecting my family store from being looted so they gained a lot of respect in my book which is good for the Asian community since they’ve been vilified and looked down on for decades, even though during the 70s all the way up to the current date, the martial arts genre contributed a lot in Hollywood, but I bet they hate it because they rather keep the narrative up that’s why you see Hollywood and the Asian entertainment industry collaborating a lot because they’re afraid of your industries period and the Chinese community should be proud of what they accomplished because you guys have Jackie Chan Jet, Li, Bruce Lee, and many others that made a huge impact in the US
There’s are huge movie studios in every country in Asia. Hollywood can’t compete for the Asian market. Those Asian studio don’t exactly use a lot of Western actors.
Wait, so there's a way to track paper money now? Every time I go to Frank and Sons I use cash. If I go to a convention, I'll be using cash in case the credit/debit card reader is not working. How are they collecting their data?
I would definitely support asian media written by an asian man over whatever media written by some white/ jewish guy. If it happens to be made in asia rather than America so be it. More asian men need to try to become screen writers, authors, journalists etc. We have a voice that should be heard just like anyone else's
This approach is a great idea explaining why Asian American actors are not as successful as the non-Asian Hollywood actors since the big money was all the way down. We are living in a new era, and Hollywood is getting really bored with lackluster performances from the new and recent movies.
shows u all the "representation matters" only means blacks. Even when cultural appropriating a piece of Asian culture they couldnt even think of doing it justice but first thing was "black"
Any one else feel like AAPI is such a meaningless corporate PC word? It resonates to me the same way the words "Others and Miscellaneous" does. A simple convenient catch-all word to describe an extremely diverse and complex part of the world. I dont know anyone who identifies as "AAPI". In America all these disparate groups of people are lumped into the same category out of sheer convenience. What Chinese Americans are supposed to feel represented because The Rock is getting movie deals? Feels artificial and forced.
No, movies need more representation because it is the source for new stories. Without new stories, Hollywood will stagnate. It already has. You guys got it backwards
Problem with that majority of America is white. If we tell a story from Asian American experience. And if white Americans see it they might not understand the story and not liking it. Remember the Movie Turning Red! Lots of white people hate that movie because they didn’t understand the film since told from an Asian American view
الإندونيسيون فقط هم الذين لا يكرهون عرقهم، على الرغم من أنهم يعيشون في هولندا، إلا أنهم ما زالوا يحبون إندونيسيا وموالين لها، والآن هناك الكثير من لاعبي كرة القدم الهولنديين من أصل إندونيسي الذين يريدون الدفاع عن إندونيسيا بنسبة 70 بالمائة من لاعبي كرة القدم الدوري الهولندي هم من أصل إندونيسي وأغلبهم يحبون إندونيسيا وموالون لها ويريدون اللعب للمنتخب الإندونيسي لكرة القدم
Well, the only Asian that gets my respect is the Koreans because, during the pandemic only the Chinese, were getting the ass kicked while the Koreans were representing and speaking up for the Asians. I didn’t see any other Asians stand up for themselves unfortunately, that’s why the Koreans are the only Asians that get respect in the U.S since they’ve been dominating the charts for the last decade even western entertainment industries are collaborating with them for a reason because they’re starting to get way too much influence but mad respect for the rooftop Korean since they saved my dad‘s Colombian restaurant from being looted or burnt down and finally getting their recognition in 2020 I hope the rest of the Asians should take a page out of their book instead of crying on the Internet, and begging for more roles I hope you guys do it on your own terms, it just makes you look weak and stop looking up to Hollywood and rap stars, if their gods because they’re a bunch of pedophiles and undercover fairy boys and if you hate western entertainment, how about watching content from your own country of origin instead of crying so much even my parents don’t watch Western entertainment I seen them mostly watch Colombian dramas
Hollywood was established by Americans. How many Asian American are involved? We do not know. In this life, one should have integrity or principle. If the target is money, everybody no matter what race or citizenship would be involved. Hollywood already has a lot of money. It is to keep their ego and they are still being look at. It's like the USA. The world looks up to and the people still want to come. Despite their own country is wealthy and rich. Is there a thing in the world, I want to go to China or Germany to find my dream. There is nothing compared to the American Dream.
It's so fucked up how basically every other ethnicity can be depicted as being integrated in East Asia in various media, but this is **never** reciprocated. I honestly cannot recall a single game where an East Asian male protagonist is integrated in a culture outside of Asia. At least not by a western developer. If you're a diasporic East Asian man who likes video games, the only rep you will EVER see is through a character creator. That's it. That's all you can ever hope for. And even then, there's no guarantee like in Elder Scrolls for example.
If I want to see Asians in movies I'll just watch movies from Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Bhutan, Mongolian... The directors and actors know what they are doing and don't bastardize their own culture.
Asians dont as much on entertainment partially because there are fewer Asians in those entertainment spheres. Fact is, people want to see people who look and are from their culture portrayed in a story/movie/drama
Authentic representation!?!?! When I saw three non-Japanese actresses: Michelle Yeoh(Malaysian Chinese), Ziyi Zhang & Gong Li (Mainlander Chinese) portraying JAPANESE GEISHAS in Memoirs Of A Geisha, that was messed up!?!?! There are plenty of Japanese female actresses qualify for their roles! This is why Shogun was well made, all the Japanese principal roles are JAPANESE, not "Asian." The series The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel spent so much money on the details on their wardrobes and on other production details, but failed when it came to the Chinese characters and the scenes shot in Chinatown. The Chinese characters in NYC Chinatown during that period are Cantonese ToiSan peeps, and the principal actors should be speaking Cantonese or ToiSan, NOT Mandarin! I cringed when I was the set of the Chinese gambling den and heard the Loh Baan spoke Mandarin. In the series Warrior, the Chinese principal characters spoke Cantonese/Toisan even if the actors portraying the roles weren't Cantonese Chinese, kudos to the production team on the Warrior. Details on the specific cultural and language of those roles matters.
I was reading for years, Matt Damon was one of the hotest tickets in China. I was quite surprised by this, but ole Matt got Chinese girls to open their wallets and buy tickets. Everything, Everywhere All At Once was a hybrid sort of movie, one foot in America, the other in Asia. The movie made money but it was not a grand slam. Overseas sales were not that impressive. If an Asia based story produced in America is then coolly received by Asian audiences, is it because when say the Chinese want to see an American film, they want a cast that doesn't look like them?
As an Asian American myself who grew up in Asia during my childhood, I find EEAAO is a really weird and bloated movie. I'm probably the minority who doesn't enjoy the movie.
I like the Fung bros and their conclusions at the end - maybe there is money left on the table, but do gen Z Asian Americans want to spend it on entertainment about Asian Americans ? Because Gen X and Boomers are spending it on Asian entertainment from Asia, no subtitles required, and not white faces either.
Why would i pay for a movie to insult me? Imo any western made media about asian people is going to always promote self hate or pick on some political scab. Look at 3 body, look at expat. I would rather have more stuff like beef.
@@hsuehhs1 I didn't see it so I can't tell, I can only say in recent projects they've been trying harder especially with EEAO and even in that, they had to emasculate many of the male characters, with only 1 scene giving Waymond a traditional masculine role. I can't unsee stuffing a particular trophy up the butt.
Its because american actors and actress are hired based on the movie itself is american. Bollywood cant hire americans if the movie is based on hindi. Same for asians they cant hire americans based on asian movie that has asian traditional pull on it. Unless the movie will represent characters outside our world like for instance i think star wars should hire asians not just in china but also cambodians,thailand, philippines etc. As an alien from other galaxy. Yes movies like star wars can represent cultures not only focus on american. You see asians in movies are hired based on stereotype like either martial art and nerdy so thats the only representation americans knows about asians nothing more outside the box of those 2. Americans also think the entirety that asians represent is chinese as a whole continent of asian but india does not represent china so are other asian countries. Needless to say they know so little about asian and at least they know much about hispanic and mexicans now as in representation in hollywood nowadays. If hollywood is to hire more asians they gotta learn more or rather they are stuck in american way because americans would rather watch an american tv series and movies they wouldnt want to put an asian on it because theyll lose interest. In other words hollywood might lose its market if they put asians on it because the racist veiwer would lose an interest.
I’m hella white (German/Norwegian) and grew up watching kung-fu theater and doing martial arts. My gf of 6 years is Taiwanese. I watch a lot of Asian flicks, have my entire life. I feel like the biggest issue was Asian people portraying other cultures like a Japanese guy playing Chinese and Vietnamese etc. which was a big problem in the 80’s and 90’s I think (not necessarily in that order could be a Chinese guy playing another nationality). This was even worse when it was a Native American playing an Asian character.. When you have like 10 main male Asian actors in Hollywood that kinda happens I guess. Especially factoring in age. “Oh we need an old Asian guy, just use Pat Morita or James Hong interchangeably”. I could see it being insulting but I can’t speak for the Asian populace. Hiroyuki Sanada and Andrew Koji have been in a lot of stuff lately and I think they rock as action stars. I think you’d see more Asians in Hollywood movies if there were more scripts written with them in mind. It just hasn’t been a thing since like the Jet Li era. I think Everything Everywhere All At Once, Crazy Rich Asians; and Parasite (movie) likely are opening up the door to get more American theaters playing movies with Asian cast again. The last time I saw a major interest in Asian cinema was when Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon came out- it’s all anyone would talk about.
It's not because Asian don't spend much on entertainment that they are not represented in Hollywood. It's because of the negative stereo types.
and its never just a character who happens to be an Asian actor. Its always an Asian actor doing something Asian...
My advice to Asian Americans: stop placing your chips and banking on Hollywood to do you right. Support and consume Asian media from Asia like K-Dramas, Korean film, Korean shows, C Dramas, Chinese shows and Chinese film. It’s where we are portrayed with no strings attached. No weird caveats that you see in Asian representation in Western media. None of the whole making the character’s whole personality about being Asian. Just good writing, better quality(yes, now a days better than Hollywood’s quality), a variety of genres/themes, and the character just happens to be Asian.
And the success of Asian media from Asia time and time again proves to be the driving for of leverage we have in the Western media space. Look at Bruce Lee’s career even. He was a struggling actor in Hollywood that had to cover his face with a mask and had no speaking lines. It wasn’t until he got frustrated, went to Asia, created movies in how he wanted to be portrayed, those movies becoming international hits, THEN did Hollywood come knocking at his door to allow him to be portrayed the way he wanted to be portrayed. It’s literally the blueprint.
You can even relate this to what Malcom X once said about Chinese/Asian people. “There used to be a saying of ‘you’ve got a Chinaman’s chance’ which implied you’ve got no chance. This saying came to be when China was poor and weak. But when China became stronger, so did the respect for the Chinese grow in the Western countries they lived in.” I’m paraphrasing a bit but he was pretty much implying a strong home country/base equates to a stronger diaspora. We need to invest in an even stronger home base for our media back home in our native countries. The respect in Western media will follow.
The US prefers a weak China subservient to the west. China becoming stronger in the past decade has not been one of respect, but one of fear and loathing of the east overtaking the west. The booming Japanese economy of the 80s posed a threat to US supremacy until the enforced Plaza Accord stifled the J economy for decades. China won’t be as easy to take down even with sanctions, embargos, tariffs and million dollar demonization campaigns. Until a military conflict happens, we can enjoy terrific Chinese dramas such as The Disguiser, Nirvana in Fire, The Untamed, Rise of the Phoenix, Joy of Life, Tribes and Empires that have attracted fans among Chinese and non-Chinese viewers. Talented hot and charismatic Chinese actors also have fan girls of various nationalities swooning as seen with the enthusiastic reception Xiao Zhan received at Milan Fashion week .
No, to what you said, and I'm Asian from an Asian country. If Asian Americans/Westerners only support Asian entertainment from Asia, all you are doing is benefit the Asian ( not American ) film industries. Then Asian American talent will have to got to Asia for work and that will further denote them as "foreigners" in America. You want Western respect for Asian media, OK, but then its Asians in Asia who will benefit not Asians who are citizens of Western countries. I would like to see AMERICAN stories with Asians in them, acting like Westerners/Americans because that's what they are. Bruce Lee ( an American ) never moved beyond Bruce Lee the kung fu guy. I want more than that for Asian Western entertainers. And I want Western stories from the West and Asian stories from Asia. The last thing I want is Asian Americans trying to act Asian in Asian movies,, some of them having Western accents when speaking Asian languages - inauthentic. The diaspora should be loyal to the West, not Asia, don't be a cultural traitor, because that's a slippery slope.
Yea it's actually a trend for this to happen. Donnie yen also had to leverage his existing fame to get better backstop and lines for his character Cain in John Wick. If he was just an AA actor, he'd likely basically be a mute goon with a gimmick.
@gobyfish1399 asian American projects don't get Greenlit until they are past their prime or have self loathing narratives. Asian people need to put all our supposed money into backing creative areas and forming production companies.
@@gobyfish1399 What you don't understand is that the system is rigged against Asian Americans. Ke Huy Quan tried and had to spend decades working as an extra until he got lucky with EEAO and that's him being lucky. Many Asian-Americans have had to go to Asia in order to become successful and they've managed that in a few years, whereas in America they've had to spend decades. This is a massive neglect of talent. Michelle Yeoh became famous in America over 2 decades ago when Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon came out.
What is the notable Hollywood work she's done between that and EEAO? Nothing.
What happened when Asian superstars went to Hollywood? 99.9% of their projects are inferior to what they've done in Asia.
Why should they be loyal to the West, when the West treats them like garbage? You go be loyal to the West if you're such a big fan of Hollywood.
Hollywood is getting boring, they don't have a lot of new ideas, X-Men XI, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, etc, they are all old franchises.
Plus, Hollywood has never really cared about casting East Asian actors. This is why a lot of Asian people don't care for it.
Besides, there are a lot of great movies from China, Japan, and South Korea.
From your opinion i rather rewatch Ultraman Mebius then the new Marvels they filming.
And Hollywood's need to remake everything, focus on superhero content along with casting the same 10-20 actors in everything, despite there being thousands of talent actors available, is just so annoying. Then there's also how many prominent Hollywood actors who just act as themselves in everything. When I watch content from Asia, I see these actors constantly challenging themselves with new types of roles.
Who gives a F@#! About Hollywood? Why make Asian actors work in movies that are beneath them? Why is Hollywood that important? I just watch new Chinese movies on UA-cam. They're great with better stories and better actors than anything Hollywood can do.
Because Hollywood has the most influence with their vast reach. And they have the ability to influence the masses more so than any other entity. And when this huge marketing machine continues to put out nasty stereotypes of Asians over & over again (always projecting Asians to be oddball out), especially Asian males then its not surprising when so many Asians in society are verbally assaulted, taunted, Asian children bullied, elders physically assaulted, and paid less money for doing the same engineering job then both their white and black counterparts (look at the study done by Penn State Univ). That's why, Asians need to wake up and get involved in politics and don't be fooled by DEI, it will only hurt Asians, its just like Affirmative Action only worded differently. Affirmative Action policies at elite Universities forced Asian students to score higher on SAT and GPA than any other ethnicity. Same will happen to professional fields like law, medicine, engineering. Many who have researched it is clearly showing the road map. As DEI requires more blacks to be accepted as medical doctors, lawyers, engineers and it is being done by lowering the test standards for entrance. Just read what AMA (American Medical Association) is doing, they are going to start lowering their test standards so that more "people of color" can pass the test and become doctors. Well do you know what that means for Asians who were already passing these exams without it being lowered? Now they have to compete for that MD job at Kaiser, Stanford or any other hospital against another minority who didn't do as well. Also, now these hospitals under DEI are required to hire a certain amount of black applicants no matter what. It's already happening at many high tech firms in the marketing and engineering departments. Asian people have no clue what is going and better wake up!
What about Asian American authors telling Asian American
Stories?
Because Hollywood has immense power to influence its audience and its audience is very big and world wide. And Hollywood has influenced these people to treat Asians in a very negative manner, including verbal and physical attacks.
As for the disparity between south and east Asians, I've always said this. Completely different races, religions, cultures and languages. You see it in UA-cam comments whenever there's discrimination Vs east Asians, the south Asians come in and say nothings wrong.
More Indians in America living in privilege then any other ethncity on a per capita basis. Does this mean the system gave them an unfair advantage?
As a south Asian who remembers being in middle and high school post 9-11, I think it is absolutely shameful that Desis are not supporting our Chinese friends during this rise of Asian hate. I am Muslim and my wife is Chinese, we should have more Desi-East Asian solidarity.
I hear ya but my family is from Thailand and there's a big Indian influence on the culture and religion spanning thousands of years. Thai borrows quite a bit of words from sanskrit which comes from India and Thai buddhism comes from India as well. Even some of the Thai's I've met in Thailand have had darker complexions and bigger eyes with full double eyelids appearing more South Asian than Thai to me but still claim full Thai speaking only Thai.
Representation is such an annoying thing when it's used like this. I watched Jackie Chan, Jet Li, and Bruce Lee not cause they were asian but because they made movies i wanted to see. Same with Stallone and Arnold. I was never like oh this movie has Asian people in it I gotta watch it.
Is Assassins Creed Shadows another example of the ridiculous Magical Negr#? Why couldn’t an Asian play Yasuke?
I got into it with people on that. Even the left is against us. Asian people gotta back each other up more than ever.
They didn't need to have yasuke as an MC in the first outing. An Asian male and female lead would have been great.
@@Drownedinblood Just to let you know, Assassins creed is created by Japanese...lol not white people....
They are basing this character off of Oda Nobunaga’s retainer who was black. The problem with this situation is that they are trying to elevate his status.
@@sarawinardi6745 That dude was just a slave but they try to turn him into a Samurai.
Looking for asian representation in Hollywood is like looking for it in the NBA. I was stuck watching local tv growing up and now thanks to the internet, I have a choice to what I want to watch. Sometimes I feel like eating sushi, sometimes I want a taco. Really depends on my mood.
Even the left which supposedly is pro inclusion of minorities is not on our side. Look at the recent yasuke bs.
Asian parents’ entertainment is watching their kids suffer at Kumon; piano classes; golf and skating lessons
Not you tooooo. You just described my siblings and my childhood.
@@foreststretchinghawk63 - depending on POV - I didn’t have these “privilege” as a 1 generation immigrant working class kid. It’s just stories I hear and don’t want it for my kids. I/we let our kids find and pursue their own interests (mountain biking) and we are just there to foster and facilitate. Not to say academics are not important. We just don’t want to overload our kids and us.
I can also create the narrative, "Asian parents worked their asses off and sacrificed more then any other ethncity to give their kids a greater likelihood for success."
Nah, thankfully my parents enjoyed movies and I saw a lot of films from Asia. Imo it did a lot for my self perception and any type of cultural attachment.
I think the best way to depict Asians in an authentic manner is to depict their traditional systems of values in a positive light, using terms that the wider audience can understand. For a hero to say, "this will bring me honor," does little to an viewer who hardly uses the word honor or perceives they have scant use for that concept. This is a challenging task for western producers of entertainment, made even more difficult by the need to use western words or values to explain the plot.
Are you talking about Asian stories or Asian American stories ? Not the same thing. Hollywood should make Asian American stories, not Asian stories. The West cannot make Asian stories better than Asia. Don't even try.
The last Asian American (Bruce Lee ) lead in Hollywood died and his son got accidentally shot on a movie set.
I think Stephen Yeun is up there now with John Cho/Hiroyuki Sanada and Jackie Chan was bigger than Bruce Lee in terms of accolades. Bruce Lee got famous BECAUSE he died.....
I honestly can't name a single hollywood movie where there's a strong male East Asian lead, that's not about Asian identity/culture or Martial arts
The Harold and Kumar movies.
@@chengliu872 thousands of movies getting made every year and we have to go back to the time we were in diapers to dig up a hollywood movie with asian male leads? TBF, there have been a handful. though the keyword here is handful
@@hailyrizzo5428: I agree, it's fucked up.
TV movies, like Romance in Hawaii, Why Can't my life be Rom Com from E channel, Tourists Guide to Love from Netlfix , The greatest Hits movie from hulu this year, Sophie rising sun movie has good AM representation who gets to kiss the girl from them
Shang Chi?
asians who were the eternel Fu man chu and the Lady butterfly don't need hollywood anymore because we have better...KDrama,hk movies even japanese sentai or thai lakorn ...it's funny how they say asians don't spend on entertainment when you know lot of asians have subscription on asians channel like MBC world,SBS, CCtv china or NHK
and even before that when video clubs were a thing,we also had our own way to watch asian movies and drama that would never have been on any western tv channel...just by going to the local chinese/asian store and ask them what kind of video they had and then we would rent a 54 episodes TVB HK wu xia pian or even an hindi movie dubbed with chinese or thai voices🤣
It just sucks our culture doesn't encourage boldness. Its hard to find an Asian dude who's good looking, funny, and charismatic in Hollywood, the Ryan Gosling, Chris Hemsworth archetype. If we don't have a combination of 2/3 of those, they'll be hard to market.
Yeah but look at a Daniel Wu or Daniel Henney who can't get any decent roles even side (2nd banana) roles in Hollywood. The predominate white Hollywood establishment is discriminating against these Asian men. They have to go back to Asia and or South Korea to get acting roles and recognition.
Speak for yourself. Koreans are pretty cool and very bold. SK is the only country that enacts anti-Google law, Korean guys in physical 100 are amazingly strong, aggressive and talented. Don't lump rest of Asian from Asia with you bananas.
It’s not that hard to find. It’s just that Asian men are usually pushed aside for a white man.
You guys have Simu Liu but your women seem to hate him for being manly and confident
There’s actually ALOT to choose from when you look at Korean films/shows. Lots of handsome, tall, charismatic and funny actors in that medium. Park Seo Joon, Nam Joo Hyuk, Ji Chang Wook, Cha Eun Woo, Gong Woo, etc. and there’s young actors in the American sphere like Mackenyu and Justin Chien. I don’t buy that there aren’t Asian actors that fit this criteria available or that Asian culture doesn’t promote you to be bold. Look no further than Asian media in Asia and you’ll see Asian male actors that check all those boxes. The problem here is Hollywood as an industry itself.
I don't doubt that many consumers may be more inclined to gravitate towards watching films involving actors that look like them, but the pendulum is also swinging in the other direction. When identity politics becomes elevated above the quality of the plot, people become emboldened to rebel against these DEI initiatives, whose aim is to arbitrarily fill racial quotas. The issue isn't that representation is unimportant; the issue pertains to sacrificing creative integrity at the altar of political correctness.
Wouldn’t look up to Dwayne Johnson as a poster boy for Asians after the Maui incident where he asked people to donate for Maui when he wasn’t even donating himself
The vast majority of people do not see Dwayne Johnson as Asian which is why even the MAGA racists on social media do not say Dwayne Johnson should go back to China or make Ching Chong jokes about Dwayne Johnson.
but I gotta admit, ever since Gangnam Style blew up in 2011 and the situation with Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump with their love triangle which was really entertaining on top of that you have BTS and BLACKPINK dominating the charts the last couple of years and let’s not forget about Asian hate in 2020 which highlighted the rooftop Koreans, unfortunately, my dad’s Colombian restaurant almost got burnt down by these hyenas but I will always be grateful since they were protecting my family store from being looted so they gained a lot of respect in my book which is good for the Asian community since they’ve been vilified and looked down on for decades, even though during the 70s all the way up to the current date, the martial arts genre contributed a lot in Hollywood, but I bet they hate it because they rather keep the narrative up that’s why you see Hollywood and the Asian entertainment industry collaborating a lot because they’re afraid of your industries period and the Chinese community should be proud of what they accomplished because you guys have Jackie Chan Jet, Li, Bruce Lee, and many others that made a huge impact in the US
I think more Asian American producers need to help bring up everyone. More Asian American funded movies help more Asian Americans get jobs.
There’s are huge movie studios in every country in Asia. Hollywood can’t compete for the Asian market. Those Asian studio don’t exactly use a lot of Western actors.
The foreign asians celebrities are definitely cooler. Especially those in popular action dramas, ( hong kong tvb, indian bollywood & k dramas)
i dont think representation is the reason , it is Hollywood is becoming less and less entertaining nowadays
Consultants saying whatever their funders want to hear. 😂
waiting for you guys to cover assassin's creed shadows
Wait, so there's a way to track paper money now? Every time I go to Frank and Sons I use cash. If I go to a convention, I'll be using cash in case the credit/debit card reader is not working. How are they collecting their data?
I would definitely support asian media written by an asian man over whatever media written by some white/ jewish guy. If it happens to be made in asia rather than America so be it. More asian men need to try to become screen writers, authors, journalists etc. We have a voice that should be heard just like anyone else's
This approach is a great idea explaining why Asian American actors are not as successful as the non-Asian Hollywood actors since the big money was all the way down. We are living in a new era, and Hollywood is getting really bored with lackluster performances from the new and recent movies.
I love this approach, speak out about the specific representation that you want.
What are your thoughts on Assassin’s Creed Shadows?
shows u all the "representation matters" only means blacks. Even when cultural appropriating a piece of Asian culture they couldnt even think of doing it justice but first thing was "black"
You know Assassins creed is made by a Japanese company right?
@@johnnybaum7957 it’s made by Ubisoft, a European company
@@johnnybaum7957 it’s made by Ubisoft, a European company
Any one else feel like AAPI is such a meaningless corporate PC word? It resonates to me the same way the words "Others and Miscellaneous" does. A simple convenient catch-all word to describe an extremely diverse and complex part of the world. I dont know anyone who identifies as "AAPI". In America all these disparate groups of people are lumped into the same category out of sheer convenience. What Chinese Americans are supposed to feel represented because The Rock is getting movie deals? Feels artificial and forced.
hahaha they gonna start throwing in Kamala Harris as AAPI categories for these movies to shut us up. Never going to be an visible Asian person.
It's less to do with representation and more to do with movies being good.
Exactly!
No, movies need more representation because it is the source for new stories. Without new stories, Hollywood will stagnate. It already has. You guys got it backwards
@kkalayaan yeah but it doesn't help representation making bad movies for diversity sakes
Problem with that majority of America is white. If we tell a story from Asian American experience. And if white Americans see it they might not understand the story and not liking it. Remember the Movie Turning Red! Lots of white people hate that movie because they didn’t understand the film since told from an Asian American view
الإندونيسيون فقط هم الذين لا يكرهون عرقهم، على الرغم من أنهم يعيشون في هولندا، إلا أنهم ما زالوا يحبون إندونيسيا وموالين لها، والآن هناك الكثير من لاعبي كرة القدم الهولنديين من أصل إندونيسي الذين يريدون الدفاع عن إندونيسيا بنسبة 70 بالمائة من لاعبي كرة القدم الدوري الهولندي هم من أصل إندونيسي وأغلبهم يحبون إندونيسيا وموالون لها ويريدون اللعب للمنتخب الإندونيسي لكرة القدم
I don't watch Hollywood movies anymore. I watch K dramas and C dramas. I am more aware about the BDS movement as well.
with the rise of korean pop culture asians now have a good alternative to hollywood which is white and to some extent black people centric.
I hope not because I don't want to be represented by fem boys dancin' around.
Well, the only Asian that gets my respect is the Koreans because, during the pandemic only the Chinese, were getting the ass kicked while the Koreans were representing and speaking up for the Asians. I didn’t see any other Asians stand up for themselves unfortunately, that’s why the Koreans are the only Asians that get respect in the U.S since they’ve been dominating the charts for the last decade even western entertainment industries are collaborating with them for a reason because they’re starting to get way too much influence but mad respect for the rooftop Korean since they saved my dad‘s Colombian restaurant from being looted or burnt down and finally getting their recognition in 2020 I hope the rest of the Asians should take a page out of their book instead of crying on the Internet, and begging for more roles I hope you guys do it on your own terms, it just makes you look weak and stop looking up to Hollywood and rap stars, if their gods because they’re a bunch of pedophiles and undercover fairy boys and if you hate western entertainment, how about watching content from your own country of origin instead of crying so much even my parents don’t watch Western entertainment I seen them mostly watch Colombian dramas
Remember AZN Television? Times have definitely changed, and I certainly hope that Asians can finally be in the spotlights.
Hollywood was established by Americans. How many Asian American are involved? We do not know. In this life, one should have integrity or principle. If the target is money, everybody no matter what race or citizenship would be involved. Hollywood already has a lot of money. It is to keep their ego and they are still being look at. It's like the USA. The world looks up to and the people still want to come. Despite their own country is wealthy and rich. Is there a thing in the world, I want to go to China or Germany to find my dream. There is nothing compared to the American Dream.
You probably were referring to yesterday. Today, the American Dream is just an illusion to many homeless and jobless Americans.
It's so fucked up how basically every other ethnicity can be depicted as being integrated in East Asia in various media, but this is **never** reciprocated. I honestly cannot recall a single game where an East Asian male protagonist is integrated in a culture outside of Asia. At least not by a western developer.
If you're a diasporic East Asian man who likes video games, the only rep you will EVER see is through a character creator. That's it. That's all you can ever hope for. And even then, there's no guarantee like in Elder Scrolls for example.
Network TV still has best, non stereotypical Asian men representation from Hollywood
Start your own production and film company. If it's good people will watch it.
If it was me I do both acting and start a production company and I'm Asian American man ya dig
If I want to see Asians in movies I'll just watch movies from Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Bhutan, Mongolian... The directors and actors know what they are doing and don't bastardize their own culture.
Asians dont as much on entertainment partially because there are fewer Asians in those entertainment spheres. Fact is, people want to see people who look and are from their culture portrayed in a story/movie/drama
Authentic representation!?!?! When I saw three non-Japanese actresses: Michelle Yeoh(Malaysian Chinese), Ziyi Zhang & Gong Li (Mainlander Chinese) portraying JAPANESE GEISHAS in Memoirs Of A Geisha, that was messed up!?!?! There are plenty of Japanese female actresses qualify for their roles! This is why Shogun was well made, all the Japanese principal roles are JAPANESE, not "Asian."
The series The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel spent so much money on the details on their wardrobes and on other production details, but failed when it came to the Chinese characters and the scenes shot in Chinatown. The Chinese characters in NYC Chinatown during that period are Cantonese ToiSan peeps, and the principal actors should be speaking Cantonese or ToiSan, NOT Mandarin! I cringed when I was the set of the Chinese gambling den and heard the Loh Baan spoke Mandarin.
In the series Warrior, the Chinese principal characters spoke Cantonese/Toisan even if the actors portraying the roles weren't Cantonese Chinese, kudos to the production team on the Warrior. Details on the specific cultural and language of those roles matters.
I was reading for years, Matt Damon was one of the hotest tickets in China. I was quite surprised by this, but ole Matt got Chinese girls to open their wallets and buy tickets.
Everything, Everywhere All At Once was a hybrid sort of movie, one foot in America, the other in Asia. The movie made money but it was not a grand slam. Overseas sales were not that impressive.
If an Asia based story produced in America is then coolly received by Asian audiences, is it because when say the Chinese want to see an American film, they want a cast that doesn't look like them?
As an Asian American myself who grew up in Asia during my childhood, I find EEAAO is a really weird and bloated movie. I'm probably the minority who doesn't enjoy the movie.
I like the Fung bros and their conclusions at the end - maybe there is money left on the table, but do gen Z Asian Americans want to spend it on entertainment about Asian Americans ? Because Gen X and Boomers are spending it on Asian entertainment from Asia, no subtitles required, and not white faces either.
Why would i pay for a movie to insult me? Imo any western made media about asian people is going to always promote self hate or pick on some political scab. Look at 3 body, look at expat.
I would rather have more stuff like beef.
what about Turning Red that didn’t insult Asains
@@hsuehhs1 I didn't see it so I can't tell, I can only say in recent projects they've been trying harder especially with EEAO and even in that, they had to emasculate many of the male characters, with only 1 scene giving Waymond a traditional masculine role. I can't unsee stuffing a particular trophy up the butt.
Its because american actors and actress are hired based on the movie itself is american. Bollywood cant hire americans if the movie is based on hindi. Same for asians they cant hire americans based on asian movie that has asian traditional pull on it. Unless the movie will represent characters outside our world like for instance i think star wars should hire asians not just in china but also cambodians,thailand, philippines etc. As an alien from other galaxy. Yes movies like star wars can represent cultures not only focus on american. You see asians in movies are hired based on stereotype like either martial art and nerdy so thats the only representation americans knows about asians nothing more outside the box of those 2. Americans also think the entirety that asians represent is chinese as a whole continent of asian but india does not represent china so are other asian countries. Needless to say they know so little about asian and at least they know much about hispanic and mexicans now as in representation in hollywood nowadays. If hollywood is to hire more asians they gotta learn more or rather they are stuck in american way because americans would rather watch an american tv series and movies they wouldnt want to put an asian on it because theyll lose interest. In other words hollywood might lose its market if they put asians on it because the racist veiwer would lose an interest.
I’m hella white (German/Norwegian) and grew up watching kung-fu theater and doing martial arts. My gf of 6 years is Taiwanese. I watch a lot of Asian flicks, have my entire life.
I feel like the biggest issue was Asian people portraying other cultures like a Japanese guy playing Chinese and Vietnamese etc. which was a big problem in the 80’s and 90’s I think (not necessarily in that order could be a Chinese guy playing another nationality). This was even worse when it was a Native American playing an Asian character..
When you have like 10 main male Asian actors in Hollywood that kinda happens I guess. Especially factoring in age. “Oh we need an old Asian guy, just use Pat Morita or James Hong interchangeably”. I could see it being insulting but I can’t speak for the Asian populace.
Hiroyuki Sanada and Andrew Koji have been in a lot of stuff lately and I think they rock as action stars. I think you’d see more Asians in Hollywood movies if there were more scripts written with them in mind. It just hasn’t been a thing since like the Jet Li era.
I think Everything Everywhere All At Once, Crazy Rich Asians; and Parasite (movie) likely are opening up the door to get more American theaters playing movies with Asian cast again. The last time I saw a major interest in Asian cinema was when Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon came out- it’s all anyone would talk about.
3:00 bro you literally repeated the same thing three times in a row. Do you even know what you're trying to say?
How many quality Asian actors wan tot come to Hollywood? Hollywood does not have the prestige that it once had.