Stephen Harper, Justin Trudeau face off over niqab debate
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2015
- Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau face off over a growing debate about whether wearing a niqab is a choice and when it should be allowed.
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I'm not a conservative but I agree with Harper here.
1) The vast majority of Muslim women do not wear the niqab so arguing it is an attack on all Muslims is disingenuous. Trudeau seems to think all Muslim women support niqab-wearing- they do not.
2) 'Islamophobia' is a term all too often thrown around to stifle legitimate debate
3) Male jihadists have been known to use the niqab as a cover and given the very real threat western countries- indeed all countries face from violent Islamism, common sense dictatytes this can be a problem
4) How can a niqab- wearing woman effectively communicate say in a bank? It is an issue of etiquette as much as anything
5) Whilst it is true that some women choose it, it is plain dishonest to suggest they all do.
6) I am well aware that Canada prides itself on multiculturalism and tolerance as do many western democracies. But there is nothing intelligent about tolerating the intolerant and propping up backward practises because of cowardly political correctness!
I regard myself as centre-left on most issues but I find it incredible that a 'liberal' would be making excuses for the niqab. Justin Trudeau needs to explain why he thinks it is progressive for women.
+Nathan Hazlett I find your arguments well-reasoned and impressive. For what it's worth, I personally believe people should have the right to wear what they choose. I think the argument that terrorists will use it as a cover is a lot of fear-mongering, an argument that belongs more on Fox News and less in Canadian debate. That might work in a culture where large portions of the country wear these things but, as you said, this is only a small portion of ultra-Orthodox Islamic-Canadian women.
Personally, I believe that many naturalized Islamic women will choose to cast it aside eventually, and I'm sure most second-generation Islamic immigrants will. It's existence seems to be about 40%culture, 60% religion, so I'm confident that the niqab as a practice can't endure here. But I really don't like the precedent that's being set when the Canadian government bans a religious garment due to hypothetical possibilities of terrorism.
+conthemon I'm glad to see that I'm not alone on this issue, and that people are willing to take a reasoned, moderate approach and debate this civilly. I, too, believe that the radical left has reached the point where it has become essentially self-destructive and inevitably self-defeating. The way that it attempts to occupy the moral high ground and use it as a bully pulpit, the ways in which is controls discourse and shames dissenting opinions into silence is intellectually dangerous. There is nothing 'progressive' about this kind of approach. In fact, it's rather regressive.
What I also find particularly ironic is that many radical leftists will go to the wall for religious and cultural groups who are their ideological opposites and who would likely revoke of curtail LGBT rights, transgender rights, and even women's rights and freedom of religion were they to gain the power to do so. However, these same PC types eagerly engage in a form of self and group affirmation by attacking and decrying most opinions that lean moderate or (God forbid) slightly right so long as these opinions are being expressed by members of 'privileged' groups.
That said, I've already voted in this election, and I most certainly didn't vote for Stephen Harper. I disagree with Trudeau and Mulcair on this niqab non-issue, but I'm not about to swayed from by an obvious wedge issue. No politician or party perfectly represents anybody's views. We just have to learn to pick the best fit and to engage in debate and discourse with the twin aims of convincing other people to reexamine their beliefs and to be willing to perhaps reexamine ours.
+Nathan Hazlett ... Ms. Zunera Ishaq in her own words...
"I prefer to think for myself."
"To me, the most important Canadian value is the freedom to be the person of my own choosing. To me, that’s more indicative of what it means to be Canadian than what I wear."
"I am looking...for Mr. Harper to govern according to the law of Canada and not according his own personal preference. That is why I was very happy when the Federal Court ruled in my favour and found that the policy was not in line with the government’s own Citizenship Act."
Dress code requirements for Citizenship Ceremony:
'The appropriate dress for candidates at a citizenship ceremony is business attire, but they may choose to wear a traditional dress.' /// GOC website
Now, to address your points...
1) Simply, each has the individual right to choose for oneself under Canada's Charter and GOC dress code requirements.
2) ... started with Harper's 'mosque' remark and C-51 (feb 2015) and with his unlawful 2011 niqab ban
3) ... are you serious? Men have dressed as women to commit crimes in the past.
4) Same way as they do in a Court or at the airport. Etiquette? More like 'intolerance'.
5) ???
6) More like... Harper’s ban on the niqab is an appeal to base populist discrimination and hatreds. Reflects the man. Like the anti-Chinese riots of the 1880’s. By attacking a minority (3% of Canadians are muslims) and a fraction of that with an unlawful niqab ban, he's succeeded in gaining gutter level votes (10's of 1000's of votes probably). However, Harper opposed the Sikh turban in the 90's (RCMP) and now wears one in public appearances (April 2015, Vancouver and before). 'Harper Government' ended it's requirement to remove and scan turbans at airports in July 2015. Not out of 'political correctness' but for Sikh votes. Note, by doing this 'quietly' he maintains an anti-immigrant demographic voter base.
Justin stands for Charter Rights and Freedoms. Ms. Ishaq understands/ embodies Canadian Values. Stephen Harper does not comprehend. Each woman can choose for herself how much to 'show' in public as befits her personal comfort. None of Harper's business to dictate how a woman dresses. As far as your being 'centre-left' goes, be careful, Harper is so far right that he reflects 'an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization'. ie. Fascism.
There's a quote I read on the Internet by Islamic author Arundhatti Roy which actually sums up my unease with this issue: "When, as happened in France, an attempt is made to coerce women out of the burqa rather than create a situation where a woman can choose what she wishes to do, it's not about liberating her, it's about unclothing her. It becomes an act of humiliation and cultural imperialism. It's not about the burqa. It's about the coercion. Coercing a woman out of a burqa is as bad as coercing her into one."
Canada has never been about telling other cultures to adapt - we've always convinced them to adapt through example, not legislation. I'm confident it will be the same thing here, if we give it the chance.
+Paul. Rev. Oh If these women refuse to show their face to verify their identity how can they be sworn is as legitimate citizens? Isn't that the issue with the Niqab?? If they get pulled over by the police are they going to refuse to take off their face covering to be identified? I also just find it weird when we have people who look like they belong in Saudi Arabia not assimilating to Canadian culture and values. Its worrisome because if the women don't give up this middle eastern Muslim value, how do we know that the values such as Sharia and Jihad won't be also kept? Those are also a part of Muslims values, are we supposed to be tolerant to those values of Islam too? If Muslims get to be in higher numbers here how do we know the radicals among them won't start applying these values, to gain dominance over our culture and make western nations Islamic? Apparently 70 percent of rapes in Sweden are done by Muslim men forcing their culture onto Swedish women so its happened before.
Lol remember when you could see more than one perspective on TV
Now it’s just a bunch of non-answers from Trudeau and the Cons aligning with the left
I do !!!! Those were the days I had respect for CBC and our country.
why should we let religion influence politics im with Harper on this one
Exactly if we need to follow rules in your country you need to follow ours
Who is Jordan Waters to expect our country or any country to follow the rules of Jordan Waters? Americans follow rules of America made by Americans for Americans. Canadians follow rules of Canada, made by Canadians for Canadians. Islam has been banned many years ago in America. No Islam, no Mosques, because they are unamerican. Simple. But, if you follow rules of the country you are in, you will not be breaking any laws. Jesus still loves you and wants you to follow laws. x0x
Because biblical principles built this country and are being destroyed 1 by 1 and peoplekind? TRUDY HAS NO PRINCIPLES ONLY LIES
@RanStuff
Exactly the feminist organization says that they support women's rights then why don't they support the right of women to wear what they want including the niqab. So this is next level hypocrisy
Canadians appeal more to the emotional side of things rather than the logical side so it takes the upper hand 🤷♂️ .
I have a hard time taking Trudeau seriously.
WildRoseCountryGirl I hate to say it as a lefty this may be one thing we agree on. At this point i wouldn't trust Trudeau at home to watch my cat, and yet I'm usually overly trusting - plus my cat has been dead well over a year.
***** Safety of our daughter is not racist. If Daddy rapes so easily, at the sight of female flesh, to which Sharian women attest, what will he teach junior to do to our daughters?
***** and you need some sunshine honey.
Nana, you need a mouth washing. While you are in Canada, get an education; it will improve your vocabulary. Even your own mother is disgusted with your mouth.
***** you fuck off and just go home
I miss Harper.
Hell na😂😂😂
wdym@@jonah.donohue
Anybody else miss Harper yet?
Raynus 1 Absolutely
Yes
Every day
Canadians got what the deserve. The country is a falling apart and the economic crisis is not far away
Nope. Wish he'd get the hell out of my city and move back to Toronto already.
Last time I checked, this was Canada. We have our own distinct values and principles here. Although we pride ourselves on being multicultural, that isn't an automatic doorway to bending over backwards to foreign practices that don't coincide with ours. You chose to immigrate to Canada, now abide by our rules and practices. Simple as that.
agreed. Many of the First Nations were led by women. women have had the right to vote in Canada for a century. if people have a problem with women having choices they should not come to Canada. if you expect any women to wear a niqab you will never really fit in. I'm just being honest about how we view the rights of women in this country.
You don't have distinct values and principles, you have a mixture of cultures and principles that are living together in harmony.
The hell with multiculturism.
Wo basically what practices and rules native Canadians follow are multicultural to begin with, saying to hell with multiculturalism is contradictory to what culture you are already accustomed to or are following
Am algerian and totally agree with u . Canada should ban islam
What Harper said was true
Harper is a fascist clown.
I find this embarrassing that this is actually a debate on a parliamentary level.
Local laws overrule tribal practices.
End of discussion.
This is not a tribal practice. It's a part of a worlds religion with more than 1.8 Billion believers.
Your mentality is actually a result of tribal culture.
@@shiishani3302 there aren't 1.8 billion muslims in Canada so either abide by our principles or get out!
@@therealpvc2541 doesn’t Canada believe in freedom of religion ??
@@budtalks yes we do and you have all the freedom to practice your religion in basically every setting, private or public, except at citizenship ceremonies. If you feel your freedom is being suppressed, go back to where you came from.
Harper was better
@playstation 4 gaming Soul Dream on
back when I disliked harper .....boy do i miss him now
If you awaken a bit more my friend, you'll be a Trumper
@@michaelh7125 go back to China
I got to meet Harper once. He's a badass. I only had time to shake his hand for a photo and say one thing: "Sorry to hear about the new guy."
Wow what a simp thing to say.
This is a prime example how multiculturalism just does not work in Canada.
YOU'RE RIGHT give the first nations cANADA back
@@ravieromartino7244 easily one of the best comments I've ever read on youtube.
Multiculturalism is a utopian delusion. It only works when all participating cultures agree to and share the same values of women's bodies not being policed and controlled by men. Multiculturalism supports chauvinistic tribalism.
show your face..this is canada
This is right. Cover your face when you go in side your house
At least wearing the hijab is better
That moment, when you are a liberal, and hate Harper's guts, but agree with him. #ineedmedicalassistance
Was just gonna say
+ArcanicFire lmao i know right. :(
+ArcanicFire LOL
+ArcanicFire I have some news for you, if you agree with Harper on this issue then you aren't a liberal and have no business claiming that you are a liberal.
F Dannn No True Scotsman Fallacy. Invalid logic. Try again.
Trudeau is wrong on this one.
Like always :/
Trudeau has NEVER been right on anything.He's an incompetent baffoon who has no business entering politics.And canadians are just as daft for voting for a traitor who hates Canada.
Pretty boy Trudeau always seem to be lost in a Shakespearean role. Agree with Harper most definitely on this one.
St. KittstheGREAT If he knew Shakespeare he'd be winning hearts and minds across the land. Harper we can agree at least knows fairy tells in which there is a really good mother, and then a really evil step mother.
@@treadingonthesnake5397 WHAT ?
@@shiishani3302 - When laws are made that only apply to citizens and not recent arrivals, we got a real problem. If our laws cannot be for EVERYONE, then we have tyranny. In that atmosphere, things CAN explode, literally.
For all of you saying they should be able to wear Niqabs whilst swearing an oath let me remind you
1. Canada is a Christian country.
2. Canada is a country founded by Christians.
3. Canadian values/western values are almost identical if not the same as Christian values.
4. Canadians have their own culture and no room for that ideology that is anti-women.
So, in the end you cannot come to our country and make all these demands, no that's not how this works. Do it our way or leave.
I agree with not bending over for immigrant demands like sharia law, niqab in public office etc. But a christian country? Get real here. Europeans invaded Canada and whipped half of the natives out, is that christian values? 1. Canada is not a christian country, Canada is a virtuous country based on its Charter of rights and freedom, simple as that.
Ethan Ragbir
You said Canada is a Christian country. Now let's see what the Bible says
For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
1 Corinthians 11:6
Now guys can throw the Bible down the drain but we Muslims will not do the same for the Glorious Quran
S G
You said Canada is a country based on freedom. Then women should have the freedom to wear what they want including the Niqab
Western values and traditional Christian values are quite the opposite to each other.
SickGame agreed
I'm with Harper 100% pretty soon Bye bye Trudeau!!
I’m a Muslim and I support Trudeau. But I am with Steven Harper on this. The vast majority of women do not wear the Niqab, and it’s like a wahhabi thing.
It's not wahabi thing... I am sunni... We should not lose our culture
Your comment didn't age well .. Muslim who supports Trudeau lol are you still eating all his bullshit ? He tells you he loves Muslims to your face and behind your back the only Muslim he likes is Omar Khader
@@PIFFthePUFF420 He still has the best record of treating muslims. Muslim voters worry more about his immigration and refugee policy that has helped out there families and friends rather than a singular situation. Did you forget how Harper's government treated any sort of immigration or asylum seekers?
Have you changed your mind?
You support Trudeau...YIKES..Bet your thinking differently now eh
I will vote for Harper just because of this ,
Harper was class & understanding of what is our Canadian culture.
What exactly is Canadian culture?
@@Windtorment something you won't understand
@@Windtorment zip yo 🤐 Islam
This aged like fine wine.
That is how you answer in the HoC. Harper is a true leader with class and intelligence. I miss my great country, Canada.
We want Harper back .......
NO
WE
DON'T!
@@titusmccarthy ya we do. Kick rocks
Definitely would of made more sense than this child trust fund baby black face
@@desireelee5390 Pound Sand and then Pound Pierre Poutine.
@@titusmccarthy come up with a better material. Groper doper surfer trudope! You mad 🤡 lmfaooo cuz Pierre more educated than this college drop out
Agree with Harper. He's a better prime minister.
`What exactly dou you mean by that? I suppouse that the Harper years were moure prousperous in capitalism but there was/were fewer in the intellectual burgeios in Canada.
@Nikita Gloukhovtchenko you're talking like the liberal party of canada has intellectuals looking out for your best interest.
2:39 As far as I know, women do have the ability to shoiw their faces in Canada, but they want to take their ability to veil their faces.
STEPHEN HARPER!!!
Justin Trudeau doesn't have a clue what he is doing!
Five year later, won another election, still has no clue
@@greggrozdanis5737 just because he won a few elections doesn’t mean he knows what he’s doing
Totally agree with Harper on this one!
If niqabs are allowed why cant people wear a balaclava and walk around in canada? its the same thing right? I dont feel comfortable seeing people covered in niqabs . nothing racist about it. its about security. if niqabs are allowed then so should balaclavas . We want harper back. he is the only one who will and can keep canada safe secure and prosperous
I went to Saudi Arabia many times because of my job and we had foreign relations in Middle Eastern countries and personally I support letting people have the freedom to wear what they wanna wear.. Maybe because I saw many women in hijab and niqab and I am used to it.. But these are people and if that's what they truly wanna wear then God bless them.. Canada is all about freedom and people all around the world are looking at Canada and its people as one of the kindest, most generous, welcoming countries here on earth.
Security always trumps freedom. And there are many people who dont feel comfortable seeing people either in a balaclava or a niqab
Steve J What does niqab have to do with security???
what if she has a bomb strapped on. how wud we know?
I didn't know you were Islamophobic.. You know what, be afraid because Muslims may have "bombs" and may try to kill you! Do not leave your house at any cost! Lock your doors and stay in your room and never leave it, otherwise you will be killed by them!!
a bunch of politicians talking circles and not one of them having the honesty to just speak plainly - all they are doing is shamelessly positioning themselves instead of having an open discussions about reality. No one is saying women who want to hide their faces for religious reasons shouldn't be allowed to do so everyday - but on this one occasion, when taking on Canadian citizenship, it is important to do so openly, proudly, for all to see. Whatever god they praise will get over seeing their cheek bones for an hour.
I do agree with you. I also hope someone who thinks as logically as you do doesn't avoid this discussion into the future. I find many fellow liberals silent on the topic of Islam. I would never support a ban of a hijab but, you're absolutely correct in saying there needs to be open discussion without cheap political points. We're talking about something that many of our sisters in the middle east live in fear about... It's absolutely rooted in the subjugation of women. Why is a liberal leader attacking on this point? But I guess you answered that already :)
Janet Reed - Section 15 of the Charter of Right states that everyone is to be treated equally, regardless of religion. To allow one religious cult to disobey our laws contravenes the Charter by forcing some people to obey the law while allowing others to disregard it. If I cannot wear sunglasses and a scarf, it is discrimination based on a religious cult to allow Sharian women to be covered head to toe. The women will not drop dead for obeying our laws, like everyone else has to, unless they are hiding something under their scarves, niqabs and burkas.
@@treadingonthesnake5397 Wearing sunglasses is not the same thing as wearing a niqab. One is a holy article, and is expected to be worn at all times. Another is a fashion statement.
@@Bolensgoldrush - Fashion statement, or protection for the eyes? You protect women by covering them head to toe, a religious fashion statement. The far West allows women the freedom to choose which fashion they wear and protection for their eyes, a health statement. It seems men in your culture have forgotten their religion since they have no control over their behviour, most unholy. Perhaps men are more in need of wearing something Holy to remind them how to behave in a Holy manner.
I am muslim and I dont want women in niqab, most muslim women dont wear niqab anyway
Was is this popping up in my news feed in 2022?? CBC trying to make their Supreme Ruler JT not look like a psycho?
Justin minded his own freaking business while Harper and Mulcair fought the issue out. That’s how Justin’s red wave swept Quebec. Sometimes in politics you gotta learn when to keep your mouth shut.
This didn’t age well. Pierre’s popularity in Quebec is skyrocketing because Justin is now fighting it out with Jagmeet to be the next woke pope of Canada by appointing a special representative, who has said bad things in the past about Quebec’s bill 21 btw, to ‘combat’ Islamophobia. He should have kept his mouth shut! Eat it ya liberal goof!
Man we should have kept harper
trudeaus dad started this circus
Absolutely correct, even today.
Harper is arguing for the women rights..
In my community we had an event where a father beat his daughter, for Not wearing niqab, " dressing like a Canadian" He struck her in full public view and was reported to police by a witness. This man is a leader in Muslim community. The[Muslim] and community, and to my surprise the women, than shunned this witness and spoke horrible thing to her.
So I bear witness to Harper's statement as true. The Muslim community will not allow its women or children to dress as they please. If they do, they do so at their peril. The y subjected to beating and other punishments. They will punish those that speak up against beating of women and children. It is Not to be reported.
I commend Harper for raising this issue. He is fighting for our rights and women's rights. we need to encourage the women Muslim populous, that they Do have rights and privileges equal to all in Canada.
for Those who oppose. What is your position of beating a child for dressing like a Canadian?
Typical probably would stone people here if they could. Savages.
I think you should not generalize one bad behaviour on all a community.
The person you are talking about was discriminatory and should be arrested.
But please again, never generalize a bad behaviour towards a group of people.
Because it conducts to stigmatization.
Man I miss Harper so bad.
I wonder how people who voted Trudeau then feel now
We sure don't. We love Trudeau. Only thing is Trudeau is anti gun. Law abiding gun owners are NOT THE PROBLEM
@@royalloyalty8248 🤣
@Arctic_Shadow it's the freeloader immigrants who came under his regime.
We watched this junk from Mulcair and Justabum then elected Justabum LMAO
Funny how now everybody's face is covered and that's ok...wth
This is a culture that treats women like the sexual property of men in some very basic sense. Women who wear the hijab or niqab, or subscribe to Islam in any real way for that matter, are being oppressed to some degree. Their worth is explicitly diminished, and the hijab and niqab are an outward sign of that captivity. A very important point that has to be understood is that someone believing they are not oppressed doesn't necessarily tell you whether they are in fact not oppressed. We know that self-delusion or even a simple unawareness of greater states of experience are possible. I actually consider myself a liberal and will be voting strategically in this election to oust Harper, but I've always agreed with Conservative views on foreign culture, religion and policy. I think Islam in its current state is intrinsically divisive and great measures need to be taken to deradicalize moderate muslims.
+sgtsnakeeyes11 Well said. I agree.
Many religions are divisive. Christianity is also very divisive we just have more experience with them and keep them in check.
+sgtsnakeeyes11 Oh because western culture doesn't treat women like sexual property of men? Western culture is BUILT on the sexualizing of women. You can't sell a goddamn burger without advertising a naked women. Learn a thing or two about Islam before you spit out ignorance. There are billions of muslims in the world, myself included. Do you think I wouldn't renounce my faith if it really was that fucked up? Lmfao
+sgtsnakeeyes11 Women are stoned in countries that are predominantly muslim.
+osityan lmfao, really? predominantly muslim countries such as Malaysia, Qatar, Dubai? Get your head outta your arse. I love how you white men love targeted muslim women. It's all about dominating women isn't it. You tried targeting your own white women, that didn't work, so you went after black women, that didn't work so now you're targeting muslim women. Lmfao get over yourself. Muslim women wear the hijab for themselves. Not to impress muslim men or to anger white men, ya'll not that special LOL
*"A Campaign of Fear. Politics of Division and Fear." - Justin Trudeau*
What a Goof
ugh as much as i dislike Harper i have to agree with him... most muslims do not approve of the niqab and see it as an ancient cultural requirement that has nothing to do with islam...
Muslim women who never wore it before they came here obviously have an ulterior motive. What ARE they teaching their children? And what are THEIR kids teaching ours?
Treading on the Snake Not about masturbation, that's for sure, yet when Canadians try that with their kids, conservatives freak out too. So which side are you guys on? Conservatives are ultra-prude non-sexual and law-loving... and yet.. a cloth that covers upsets? Wasn't Jesus wrapped in a cloth?! Ahh yes.. the shroud!!! Just think of the niqab as Mohammed's Shroud and you should be ok... no?
Treading on the Snake thats a complete over reaction... if you start thinking that way then you never stop and you can apply your statement to all cultures and religions which would just create hate and intolerance...
also.. i may agree with his statement but i dont agree with his trying to make law what women can and cannot wear... the time for that has come and gone... were in 2015 and as canadians we value nothing more than personal freedom. so it should be applied equally to ALL canadians
hsmrmae Oh but the law already states what we can and cannot wear in government offices. ALL must remove face coverings, such as sunglasses, head coverings, such as hats, and face covering such as masks. What do you have against Section 15 of the Charter of Rights? Maybe you need to be surveilled.
To assume that having those who wish to become CANADIAN citizens remove all head and face coverings AT A CITIZENSHIP CEREMONY, is tantamount to forcing Sharian women to NEVER wear their lengths of fabric, is a BIG STRETCH. No one says don't wear your bundles of fabric ALL the time, just that you should obey the laws as EVERYONE is asked to do. Remove head and face coverings in government offices and courtrooms just like a CANADIAN MUST. Otherwise, you are claiming you are somehow special. No one is THAT special.
Treading on the Snake I understand where you are coming from my concern is the slippery slope that issues like this one create. and my irritation with harper is that he created a whole dilemma over an issue that concerns an estimated 100 women... instead of concentrating on the economy or job creation or any of the other million issues he could be talking about
Trudeau needs a reality check
Best prime minister Harper we miss you
i never voted Harper but miss him now
those were the days
Before Turdeau and the feminist cultural marxists made it illegal to speak out against barbaric invader beliefs. Trudeau is anti-Canada.
Why was that even the main issue, crazy times
I agree with the Son of a B*tch Harper on this one.
Barack Smith Indeed my Lebanese brother!
How about an English or French written & oral test for citizenship?
Do you even *_know_* about the Canadian citizenship criterions?
Language capability has *always* been there in the procedure - (www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/become-eligibility.asp#language). In fact, in recent years it have been made stricter
*****
Based on my interactions with "new" Canadians I find it very hard to believe that standard is enforced..at all.
Barack Smith Trust me the french know oral very well.
Barack Smith I agree with the oral test------and btw you look a lot like Obama. Unless the test is mainly about drivers licence question-
This isn't even a debate. RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN PARLIAMENT!
God bless Stephen Harper I would like to see him run again
I call him Harpo the Fascist Clown. He's useless. Not coming back.
please don't make a France out of Canada!!
Trudeau makes me want to vomit =(
she reminds me of Carol on TWD....haha
This is really critical, no matter what I always thought that the Quebec Language stricked code was including "Store adds" and that included in the past a few years the Niquab code in "schools". I am not sure to what extent that affected elections, I would really like to know???
Harper was and is a million times the leader
We miss you stephen
Hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha. NOPE.
As a Muslim I personally believe that covering the face is cultural not religious. Canadians have no problem with women wearing the hijab that is covering their head but it's a whole different level when it comes to covering their face. As Muslims we are told to seek a middle ground and avoid controversy.
But here is the catch..... If Canada is participating murdering women and children overseas (mass bombing and killing)then of course we expect women to fleed from these were war torn countries which we have contributed. Then we complain why such and such were these clothes. This is the only positive argument I have in favour from there point of view. Canada needs to stop murdering people overseas and preserve our borders and culture. Let's become a country which was once liked around the world.
Sajad Mohammad
It is not Canada that is murdering. It is governments including your own muslim governments, armies and capitalists. 90% of Canadians probably don't even know you guys exist unless media tells them. Even a muslim army (pakistan) raped Bangladeshi women during their war. Every government, army, kingdom, etc are the same. So stop blaming the citizens.
I agree that it is not the citizens to blame. I blame the government. most Canadian citizens are too blind to know what is really going on.
Sajad Mohammad You do know there are dozens of countries, many of them Islamic, fighting against ISIS right? I wonder why Jordan or the UAE doesn't seem to get the same criticism.
I find your remark ubsurd. If it was not for the Western countries going into the Middle East to destabilize the region (murdering over million women and children) then we wouldn't need countries like Jordan or UAE to fight the extremists. Its like you create a monster and then you complain why others are not helping to fight it. This is a reason why they do not get the same criticism.
Sajad Mohammad "murdering over a million women and children". Go back to school lol.
Politics should stay out of religion and religion should stay out of politics! 100% of all religions should not be protected when they do something wrong. Further, they should all pay taxes. Don't regulate religion outside basic human rights and natural laws, but don't allow religion to influence politics either!
It's perfectly acceptable politics to embrace the idea of citizens faces being recognizable and not covered under masks. Even more so after 1.5 years of force making children in schools.
i love stephen harper
If only we could go back to the Harper years.
I hate them both but im with harper on this one. You don't have the right to conceal your identity in public, putting society at risk for robberies etc your culture doesn't come before people's safety. Its pathetic how women walk around with a sheet over their head like property
bg smith Hello? Harper is wearing a toupee. He can easily take it off, rob a bank, put it back on.. and we'd be asking for his autograph. And as for women like property.. if only it were that easy!
bg smith Again, no one has said these spooky looking women should not cover up head to toe in public. It is a matter of following the laws of Canada in COURTROOMS and GOVERNMENT OFFICES. To claim Sharian women are being asked to strip naked, as they pretend, is Muslim ruse to sidetrack the issue of obeying our laws like ALL Canadians MUST.
To Sharian women: We, like you, don't trust your men either.
Egghead Einstein your not allowed to run around with a KKK hat on why the FUCK should this be allowed?
Damon Tsekos, I see your point, but the argument people are making here is that the niqab covers a woman's face, while a hijab allows the face to be seen.
I'm with harper on this one
Harper versus Trudeau, a man versus a spoilt kid.
Will Trudeau soon be legalizing Shia law in Canada ... ?
Hmmm.. who is leading with division and fear now? INTERESTING
1) The reference here is the niquab, but this, to me is almost the same to us as the Burka. The niqwuabs workn by some of the ladies in this video, to me look slightly different from the burkas I have seen, but in a Canadian context the diffrt=erences are minor. (This does not apply to the Heejab, which does not cover the face save the eyes. To Canadians, I think the suggestion of secrecy that tacitly comes from the hidden facial visual identity is much of the real issue.
Ironically, in recent years in Quebec, we have had a lot if acrimony over the use of the cagoule, which also happens to cover all the face except for the eyes. While the cagould was originally a means of protection from extreme cold, it is my understanding that, beyond the religious and cultural inuendos of the niquabs and burkas, these garments in their countries of origin also serve a role as protection from the elements of nature - in those cases think9ing of the dangers of the toaz, that violent type of sandstorm that can wreak more downright destructiona and danger than we might imagine here in Canada.
Also, th8inking of the american cowboy, his garb also was largely designed as protection fromdust and other vagaries of a very hard lifestyle, often on horseback for long periods, and so exposed to many of the vagaries of nature.
Explain how their "chosen" faith is anti women? Really he thinks they have a choice? Wear it or be beaten that's the choice?
As a muslim woman I can say the vast majority of us choose to wear it. If you believe in woman’s rights then allow women to wear what they want.
IslamOutOfCanada!
😋bad every year 1.6 muslim born in Canada lol
Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau square off over the niqab debate.
+The National they should show their face
+AntiJourney you should wear a thong all the time.
+The National It is anti woman you morons.
+Neezy
Neezy
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+AntiJourney you should wear a thong all the time.
AntiJourney Dang you really got me there.
Mr
Harper I miss you.
2:12-2:20: No...he actually did not
lmao exactly. “it’s basically what he’s saying”, wasn’t even close but whatever for gods sake. all they do is to try and put shame on our conservatives.
YEAH GO Mr Harper!
Now everyone has to cover their face not just women. The irony
Looking back i can see Trudeau acting like Poillivre, i hope Poillivre won't act the way Trudeau did while his in office.
I wonder what Canadians think now? We know where Trudue stands towards the Musulin...
He use them to gain more votes very bad
"I do believe that women should have the choice to show their face." As do I. The CHOICE. If a woman chooses of her own volition to wear the niqab, that is her choice and I will support her. Just as I will support a woman who chooses not to wear a niqab. You aren't a feminist if you don't support all women.
+ Ryli Barnes I agree, that the right to choose is paramount. I choose to be able to see the faces of the people around me. As I am a woman, your choice not to support me says that you are not a feminist
If your choice impedes the bodily autonomy of those around you I cannot support you. I support your right to wear or not wear the niqab, but if your choice demands that others wear whatever you will them to I can't support it. I support for women to wear whatever the hell they want - so long as it doesn't affect others. And that means I'll forever support women who choose to wear the niqab, fuck your islamophobia.
+ Ryli Barnes Wearing of a face mask does affect others. Wearing a full face motorbike helmet, a balaclava, a Darth Vader face mask, a niqab or a burqa while participating in normal public activity affects every other person around the face masking person. To say otherwise is simply naive.
No government has the right to tell someone what they can and can't wear.
Public security is also an issue.
I'm from the USA, why am I watching this?
You have the right to be opened
6 years later now the whole country of Canada has been subjected and mandated to the covid - niqab thanks to Justin and his Chief Public Health Officer at Health Canada Dt Tam.
So we can't discuss another culture's impact on domestic women's issues... BUT... we CAN continue to criticize our own culture relentlessly as if it was inherently bad and needs tearing down... there is something VERY wrong in our governance model and the accompanying narrative, that can only lead to division and dissolution of what we know as the Canada that was successfully built.
Question is can a Muslim woman in her home country safely be in public without the covering? I don't think so . Guess Harper was right
I am anti Muslim and anti Trudeau....
Harper makes Trudeau look like such a boy king.
That's why Trudeau won. Harper lost.
Harper is right.
How do we know those beekeepers aren't hiding bombs underneath?
Who's talking about anti women? How about his treatment of Elizabeth May????
I don't think these garments should be banned, but I do believe that in certain circumstances they should have to be removed. If you need to show and verify ID for one example. Common sense.
I remember the times Way Back When, the only people that wore Face Coverings were "BANK ROBBERS" "THIEVES" and "KIDS ON HALLOWEEN"
Now it's everybody by force.
THEY SHOULD HAVE VOTED HARPER BACK IN BUT ,BUT ALL THE STONERS JUST LIKED GETTING HIGH THE VOTE WAS ON THE BIG HUBBA BUBBA JOINT
I miss Harper so bad. Back when Canada was liveable
Niqab is threatening
Imagine everyone even men covered their faces in public?
The discussion was about the RIGHT to veil the face, not the OBLIGATION to do so.
Yes now all are covering
It’s funny reading your comment now in the pandemic, everyone is now basically forced to cover their faces with a mask while when Muslim did it was anti women, should I now say wearing masks is Anti human ? Please knock some sense into your brains
@@basalat9530 The masks we are wearing now are meant to safeguard public health. They are temporary until this pandemic ends. I have provided a link to an article that goes into detail about why face masks are not equivalent to niqabs and burkas. maryamnamazie.com/conflating-face-masks-with-burqas-is-an-an-act-of-cultural-assassination/
Maureen Sansburn I understand but nonetheless both ways are covering the faces while if Muslim women did they were oppressed and it’s funny how people instantly pull reasons why wearing a mask doesn’t harm anybody but when Muslim women did people wouldn’t even bother educating themselves and they aren’t even part of the Muslim community and they think that it should be up to them to decide whether they are oppressed or not
Everyday. I remember. You have good make money idea, HARPER
CBC ? What happened . Ohhhh yea.
Don't think anyone should lose their eyebrows over this! Except Justin Trudeau...... LMAO
Even back then the liberanos can't respond in the house they need to regroup and rehears their answers
I totally agreed with Harper on this
Harper the Fascist Clown?
The true hurts, some people
Justin Trudeau is saying that you should be able to do whatever you want in Canada. But if you can do whatever you want, then there's no culture