Cultural Conflicts & How Identity Politics Ruin Us with Jens Heycke
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Jens Heycke was educated in Economics and Near Eastern Studies at the University of Chicago, the London School of Economics, and Princeton University. Since retiring from the tech startup industry, he has worked as an independent researcher and writer on culture and ethnic conflict, conducting field research around the world, from Bosnia to Botswana.
The conversation begins with the cultural term “melting pot,” which was a commonly used term in recent American history. Backed by his research, Jens explains why it is harmful to identify people based on race or immutable characteristics. This led to further conversation about integration of immigrants, affirmative action, identity politics, and more.
Midway through the conversation Peter steelmans claims from Jens's book, "Out of the Melting Pot, Into the Fire." The resulting discussion is as fascinating as it is truly diverse-Jens pulls data and anecdotes from the 40 countries he visited while researching and writing his book.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Jens's book & background
5:55 Integrating immigrants
12:58 Affirmative Action around the world
33:11 Group-based policies
37:49 Diversity & meritocracy
1:06:53 College Admissions
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If you liked this one, I suggest watching my interview with Matt Goodwin next: ua-cam.com/video/oci5PsRVDks/v-deo.html
Looking forward to this discussion
48:30 how about: in order to subjugate more minorities, whites systemically hire first generation immigrants who are more likely to contact relatives to come to America, and spread the lie of harmony as soft power propaganda through the global south, thereby indoctrinating the relatively higher opinion of America, which leads to a higher availability of US military installations globally, which is the disguise used for American colonialism? That sounds systemically oppressive and advantageous for those looking to blame others
Thanks for introducing this gentleman to me Peter, this was an amazing conversation. I'm a public high school teacher in the USA who has become stigmatized by my peers for speaking out against the divisiveness of wokeness - I will now direct all my colleagues to check out this interview, because it perfectly encapsulates all of the problems and issues caused by this ideology, and points toward solutions - without the slightest trace of cynicism or animus. Thank you!
My parents migrated to Australia from fascist Canary Islands in 1973. They refused to stick to other Spaniards who had developed a close community, and instead lived as Australians. Inside our home was "Spain", according to my parents (we had to speak Spanish and follow traditional Spanish upbringing) but outside of the home we were free to be fully Australian. Today, my parents consider themselves to be Australian and not Spanish. They are in their 70's and recogise communism in woke ideology and want nothing to do with another tyrannical government.
It's interesting, there were no multicultural policies in Australia until 1973. Before then the policy was assimilation. I was a little girl then, and too young to go to school, but I could read, and I recall for the first time government posters were written in multiple languages. And I've since researched it.
However, in recent decades our immigration policies, of both the LNP and Labor are too high, and too diverse. I live rurally and the current policy is Immigration to the regions.
And this shows the problem in micro. For example we have been sent Roman Catholics from the Philippines, who speak enough English to communicate with the community. We have also had ME Muslim families who where miserable. Surprise, Australian towns of 3000 people don't have mosques. And everyone from your job will go to the pub after work. But instead of going for atleast a soft drink, they complain that people drink alcohol at all. And despite speaking English, they don't like having to do so. And sneak of to Sydney where they can "live with their own people"
But worst of all, now we have old age pensioners, and respectable families with a father who has a job, living in cars and tents because the cost of rental properties has doubled.
PS I agree with your parents. What's worse it's global totalitarianism. Schwab personally praised Morrison for using covid to advance their aims. They want childless people living in pods eating ze bugs. And again both major parties support this. And mass immigration is part of UN policies western countries have all agreed to. They want us to be peasants in a neomarxist utopia for Them.
You meant to write "immigrated". Immigration & Migration are two completely different things.
Anti-racism is too big of a money maker for certain people to ever give it up, and entire careers and even whole fields are built on finding new racist boogeymen to fight. And they're never going to allow racism to go away because it would cost them their careers.
Need to get them canceled 😂
That’s a very good point!
True. when the demand for racism outstripped supply, some enterprising souls began to think of ways to bring it back bigger and better.
Yes, and even more important, it is how political candidates on the left get elected and consolidate their power. They manufacture a divisive crisis (racism), get the public to fight about it, then run on a platform of how to fix it. The data shows that race relations had been improving from 1965 until 2010, and has been on the decline since. This is because the left moved toward CRT/Intersectionality and broadcast their message on social media beginning around them. The goal of CRT is not MLKs dream of treating everyone based on the content of their character, but instead makes everything about oppressed identities and skin color.
Yep. They have created a very lucrative career for themselves. They have embedded themselves in pretty much all institutions at this point. They don’t want to reduce racism and they are actually making it worse - it’s tragic that we have went backwards in the race discussion . I find the topic to be just be mind numbing at this point
Peter I look forward to most all your conversations and have followed you the last couple of years. You are brilliant at steele manning and questioning keep this going. Jens was a great guest and answered brilliantly just awesome. Educational as always
Thank you so much.
it's really heartening to hear an evidence-based critique of identity politics. Rather than just saying it's bad, this guest gives concrete real examples. Overall, an excellent interview.
This is another home run interview. Good job, Mr Bogossian.
My grandmother came to the US in 1900 as a teenager. As a young child one year I was staying with her on St. Patrick’s Feast Day- I asked her if she had an Irish flag in her home to fly…She was very firm and she stated that we were Americans and the only flag she had was a US flag. We happily flew Old Glory on March 17th 1969.
My grandmother from Galway Bay could not abide those who she said get "more Irish"when they come to America". She, along with my parents, maternal aunts and uncles all had an American flag next to our doors. They were all dyed in the wool blue Democrats.
Once again, excellent content Peter, what a wonderful way to confront the madness.
I’ve been enjoying watching/listening to you Mr. Boghossian from the beginning explore current issues. I can see that while you are trying to understand the issues better and maybe even solve or help solve them. I appreciate that you are primarily working to reopen polarized Western dialogue!!
Thank you. I really appreciate that.
Peter's good but Glenn Loury is incredible at steel-manning!
Just watched it a second time. This was really informative, with a lot of excellent international background.
Fascinating conversation! Thank you gentlemen!!
Really wonderful interview and a brilliant guest. It is really time to end the identity politics s-show.
Great interview. I had a friend from Malaysia who was of Chinese descent. She told me how her family had to leave because of the discrimination against the Chinese as they were deemed too successful. Any society that seeks to drive out the group that made it successful is on a suicide mission. White males did the innovations in the US that led to our success. The system they worked within can absorb anyone with a similar mindset. Vivek is a great example of this. On his campaign trail, you saw a bunch of old white people holding him as their own because of his belief system and not the color of his skin or ethnicity.
Thanks for the excellent conversation! Thomas Sowell, also an economist, also travelled around the world to do research and wrote Affirmative Action Around the World (2004). He touches on similar themes as Jens does in this interview.
You’re welcome!
Really enlightening. Along with the Kaufman and Goodwin interviews, this is one of the best. You just have to get Douglas Murray next.
The dangers of collectivism (as opposed to individual liberty) is exactly what I’ve been researching, so this couldn’t have come at a better time. Stephen Hicks has many useful things to say about it, if you ever consider getting him on
_The Cause of Hitler's Germany_ by Leonard Peikoff
@@sdrc92126 thank you. I'm always keen for more reading material like this. Any particular chapter or part you'd recommend?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe Don't remember, I never actually read it. I read _The Ominous Parallels: The End of Freedom in America_ by same author a few decades ago by the same author. I think _H's Germany_ is excerpted from that work. It was an easy read IIRC.
@@sdrc92126 cool, will check it out. Thanks
. This is the closest i can get to a classroom.
I' ve started to take notes. It's helpful, my memory is crap. I am trying to strengthen my arguments when talking to my lefty friends and family. I'm frustrated by my lack of information. This was very powerful. Thank You.
I can't remember if you interviewed Nina Paley,
i would love for you to have a conversation with her.
Real genuine people having real genuine conversations. I'd argue these gatherings could be a substitute for much of school, and kids would learn just as much if not more-provided they weren't so corrupt, presently.
@@househosted Did you see the one w the Miley Cyrus fan? I thought this method should be used in classrooms. Peter is a superb teacher.
Thank you!
@@drpeterboghossian No Peter. Thank You.
Actually this guest completely lost me when he said the race of the perpetrators of the grooming gangs should be ignored. And I'm not even British. But I want justice for those girls, and that includes the culture of the men that thought this was acceptable.
Furthermore in my country, I had to move when it became too dangerous for women to shop unless there were armed police present. This is ridiculous. Why are our governments obsessed with bringing in people who hate us? As this conversation began, people of European decent are most likely to settle in European countries. And we are an English speaking country, of people of European decent, and Christianity is the major religion.
We need to focus on race, but in a different way. What we are currently doing is not healthy.
Watched this twice ….
Try it it’s even better the second time ….
Again … great work 🕊
Bro gets huge credit for knowing not just about Koreans and Ainu in Japan but also the Burakumin (arguably more of a "caste" than an ethnicity). He is a seriously erudite.
I am ignorant and i am mad at myself. Up until six months ago i never heard of Thomas Sowell. I know nothing. . I just listened to Thomas Di Lorenzo for the first time a week ago. He said to read Fredrick Hyak and Von Miess. I will never catch up.
Peter's steelman is wonderful 😅👏!
My favorite answer to "no human is illegal" is "that's fine. You can use 'undocumented' or 'without proper papers WPPs if you like, but changing the word doesn't change the fact! And can just as easily be used in a negative way as any other term"
Peter was on top form in this interview! Interesting conversation but also very witty with some laugh out loud moments.
Peter needs to get a hat that says OG Steelman 😂
Really great interview & great guest! Thanks!
Another really great interview Peter.
You cannot assert that all cultures are the same if one says “work hard, earn money” and the other says “do nothing, be a drain on your society”, measure outcomes based on earnings and then declare racism.
Excellent episode. I love the way you steel man arguments. It's such a great way to understand the landscape of polarized issues. Heycke's ideas seem intuitively obvious, but the fact that he's done the legwork to gather data and study the effect of identity politics rollouts is such an important piece. Because, apparently, it's not "intuitively obvious" to many that identity politics leads to problems. And we need to be talking about the dark side of these (idealistic? cynical?) ideas.
Hi Peter,
I'm 67 years old, so I was in my teens during the years of some of America's most horrible racism.
As many others have said, I witnessed all of the incredible progress America has made right up until the '90s and early 2000s; at which point all of this crazy ideology started kicking in.
With you and all of the other most well-known heterodox thinkers (who are currently speaking out against this insanity) at the forefront; is there no way to organize or petition all concerned citizens, using the internet, to present a challenge to Congress or the superior court or something similar?
I just can't help feeling that it's time to start acting!
From 1918 to 1953, the Soviet government executed, slaughtered, starved, beat or tortured to death, or otherwise killed 39,500,000 of its own people
from 1953 to 1987 another 21 million more of its own people. Progress in every technological and scientific endeavor since, makes me horrified what can happen in this century.
57:49 Jens’ paragraph here is one to bookmark for its point and its examples
This is an excellent conversation. Thank you Peter.
What a fantastic discussion. Thank you.
I had a great government teacher in Community College 20 years ago. Mr winston. He taught us that there are true believers who will never stray from what they're told. And he told us that America isn't a Melting Pot nor is it a tossed salad, it's a stew. We all share the same broth.
What an interesting conversion and hopeful. We were on the right path but got diverted. MLK was right.
Great conversation; thank you.
If cultures are not all equally capable of integrating, why allow certain cultures entry? Why not favour people from compatible cultures?
Great discussion! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
It strikes me that even though some people would prefer to primarily identify as a group member, they’d almost certainly prefer to be tried under a court of law as an individual with agency instead of as a group member for a crime they personally didn’t commit. I wonder if some street epistemology questions could be fashioned out of this idea of a selective identity, especially where admitting to being an individual agent implies an ability to think independently of others
Collectivism is a cover for "the means justify the ends"
I'm fighting for utopia, I represent the will of the people, everything I do is good, even when it's bad.
You are getting so very good at this.
Really outstanding interview and interesting guest.
Thank you!
Exceptional interview both of you 😊
Great interview, and very insightful. Thank you.
It was good to see him take the other side and ask tough questions. Debating classes in High School and College teach students to argue both sides of a debate equally well regardless of personal opinion
Is the volume particularly low today?
Readers Digest identified this problem when I was a child. I’m 62 today.
Politicians can't maintain political power without favoritism. Well you can actually improve the country but that requires effort.
Peter, you are a journeyman of your trade. Much respect.
Full disclosure, I am not from an island, however I grew up on a peninsula.
Great stuff!
I don't know how you keep doing it Peter. You seem to keep finding the best person for the conversation. This one was very enlightening... wonderful as usual. You and Reid keep up the Fantastic work.
I do like it when the grown ups are talking.
He should include social media as a failure that impacted the change in the perception of race relations over the last 20yrs
The mixed salad can work just fine in the sorts of social issues that come up in micro situations up to neighborhoods or perhaps towns (but one must understand and respect inherent in group preferences). But on macro issues that affect large and diverse populations the mixing bowl is wholly inadequate and the melting pot is the only way to form a dynamic and successful multi-ethnic and racial society. But a society has to have the wisdom to know the difference between the macro and the micro and to keep issues in their proper category and expect governance to do the same.
Peter. Can you please let your guest answer your question in full, as opposed to interrupting him.
Boghossian giving Jens respect for saying he can do a Basque dance.
In the uk we had Thatcher, so we learnt fast women don't necessarily represent women - check out glenda Jackson's speech about her if you're curious:) x
13:26 to 14:22 - Disastrous Russian ethnic quotas
26:21 to 28:11 - Disastrous Identity politics
48:06 to 49:05 - When playing devil's advocate breaks down (albeit temporarily).
When someone as smart as Peter steelmans an argument that sounds so nonsensical without the emotion, it really pops how awful those arguments are.
On the affirmative action around the world bit. You're response to that guy could've been How do you know and then ask why you should take an identity out of superficial traits. Then ask him his top 3 anime and find likeminded people with the same top 3, steering identity out of superficial ideas and push them into the realm of ideas and passions.
The Supreme Court has too many blacks, "proportional", by a half, so percentages can be silly.
It’s called to many by half.
Gah, I’m still a huge fan of your work, but why did you sweep “culture” under the rug so quickly in your steel man?
1) I admit I am not around every person in the world who is woke, but I am in Oregon. Who is saying culture isn’t part of it? That is what people are trying to change with affirmative action, as a way to bring people who are not in a culture of valuing higher education.
2) why do you consider culture as distinct from systemic racism? I think your guest is absolutely spot on. Identity groups cause fracturing cause mistrust in institutions which breaks down society. But that isn’t the only way to break down trust. The discrimination of the past that you acknowledge (red lining, etc) is of course going to have a huge impact on trust in institutions which is going to have generational effects downstream, even if in modern times minority discrimination is not systemic or is non-existent. Don’t get me wrong, the way media and left politicians hype up identity groups is also doing a lot of the leg work of sewing that mistrust, and your guest is spot on that things like AA are now also nurturing mistrust in the majority population, but if we are going to talk about solutions, we need to diagnose the problem accurately, and including recognizing that cultural mistrust as the result of a system we know in the past existed to marginalize minorities, then we can find solutions. We need to figure out how to inspire trust for that “American dream” ideal, no small feat, to get people to buy into that “we are in this together” culture throughout groups, to erase the groups. It would involve a huge concerted effort, media reporting accurately and not sensationally, bringing merit back, etc.
But I suspect it also takes temporary measures of things you don’t like too. Your guest acknowledges that equilibrium can be long. What he doesn’t connect the dots to is that during that length of time, if there isn’t a “we are in this together” culture and we have disparate groups that highly identify with their group over their nation, then the perception of disparity can retain the culture of mistrust among some. I would have loved a question from you to him about very clearly defined and delineated, temporary programs that either use positive discrimination or at least market first to underprivileged groups, like AA, or say, stem summer camps for minority kids. Say 5 years and then end, regardless of where we stand at equity at that point, with the idea that this helps us get closer to equilibrium more quickly while having a smaller impact on subsequent distrust.
The reason why I ask is because I work is a fairly white male industry, forestry/wildfire, which definitely has been impacted by positive incentives towards women and minorities. And I guarantee with the physicality involved the women in this field are absolutely amazing and earn their spot. But even 10 years ago there were practically no women. And I don’t see how they(we) would have broken into this field without things like AA on the government side of the equation, because it is absolutely a tribal field (especially the wildfire side). I think we have shaped the field’s culture enough where a female woodland firefighter or forester is no longer even remotely seen as something odd. We don’t need those incentives anymore. But I think we did.
Are you suggesting that some part of Affirmative Action is intended to change peoples culture by getting them interested in education?
I disagree on the trust in institutions part, there is something more to it. For example, look at how much we trust the mental health profession despite the overwhelming majority of the historical practice of psychology being a hellscape. At some point you're still holding grudges for something that happened to your great great grandpappy, and it's absurd. As far as inspiring nationalistic pride again, I'm convinced that anyone who thinks that is still possible before a collapse is just not paying attention. We've been riding the crest of the wave for a while, and I think we've just started our descent into the trough.
Also I don't see why you say it's a positive that we had incentives for female firefighters. Has the inclusion of female firefighters caused a noticeable benefit on any metric? Have there been any downsides? It comes across as if you saying it's a good thing just makes it true. Literally "There was no women, now there are, yay diversity".
Legacy preferences = nepotism?
Book recommendations: 0:00, 13:30
Do Anglophone people assimilate when they migrate?
Haven’t we learned this lesson by now. The left is lost.
Haha yeah I know. If the left doesn’t realize how warped the identity politics they are pushing us by this point I don’t think they ever will
It's definitely lost. Does that mean forever or can it be found/find itself again?
Interesting guy.
You know who liked Equity and enacted laws to try to make it happen? The NSDAP.
Great discussion, had to look up the repeated term "cold climate Asians" and found very little, would even guess that Google and Bing probably suppress the term. Yandex had a couple of hits, but nothing real informative. So, I ask Peter or any of his listeners, what are the cold climate Asian regions, I've been to Korea and Thailand and it's hot as F there, Japan and other areas in Asia get snow, but what is the distinction? Baffled.
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The metaphor of a mixed salad is not a great one. With a a mixed salad you can easily pick out you do not like such as mushrooms you can pick them out and throw out and throw away.
The WEIRDest people in the world by henrich evidently shows some of the issues when you focus on collective identity rather than the individual,and how meritocracy is globally proven as a more productive system than kinship favoritism
I want a Botswana view of race here in the U.S. so there.
Kenyans, Ghanaians, and Nigerians are not ADOS and are, therfore, white adjacent is all he needed to say😂
Peter is disturbingly good at channeling the mindset of woke activists.
Thank you!
Has anyone gone to see Dune 2 yet? Yea, he’s the cousin.. nephew.. brother? Elvis.. You know who I’m talking about..
57:50 Peter is just trying his best to not say outright he’s okay with genocide 😂😂
Because none of us is as dumb as all of us
24:02 at first i was very iffy when i heard him say it but as he explained it more i acrually understand what hes saying. Ywa she would go after the problem it shouldnt matter really what race the problem came from
Hey let's get some proportional representation in tax burden and government assistance. Bet they won't want it then.
why is it that biological sex, which is actually biologically defined yet we are conditioned to recognize it based on secondary characteristics, was challenged first; when challenging the idea of race, which actually is based on secondary characteristics with no absolute biologically defined characteristics, would actually have been progress towards unity?
is it because people might have been open to the scientific reality that there is only one human race, or species, which is homosapien, which consists of a myriad of continuously developing genotypes and phenotypes, and that someone who looks different is not a different race but just a human being that looks different; if they had not first been conditioned that challenging their own established sociopolitical narrative is wrong, dangerous, and divisive?
It's a lot simpler than that. Racial politics is all about taking from one race to give to another. It is better to be on the receiving end of that transfer, and for that reason, racial differences must be upheld.
Queer politics is all about transgressing norms as an expression of power. Men getting naked in women's locker rooms, doing strip shows in front of children, and effortlessly reaching the top if not dominating women's sports - the advantage is in being trans, not the other way around.
The quest for power does not have to make sense, it has to be successful.
@@sdrc92126 It does make sense for those who are in power. Did you read the entire post? It is a pair of rhetorical questions that answer themselves.
@@jswets5007 That's a quote from Goebbels
@@sdrc92126 Goebbels was a very useful idiot. What worked for him was extensively intrusive unethical experimentation on human subjects. What doesn't make sense is that much of our current medical science is based on his results. I guess it works for modern medicine as well. This is not a personal condemnation of you or your character. I understand that you were simply responding to my post. 😉
Gotcha 😂
Why would you want to go to the ivy poison league?
Sorry but it's a bit naive to think cultural groups will not learn to favour each other for reasons of mutual benefit.
1,000 years after the Norman conquest in 1066, French and Latin are still regarded as refined language that Angli Saxon just cannot compete with.
Accents like those adoptwd by the aristocracy are anri-regional, they are the accent of the occupting forces. Regional accents connected with place are seen as "lower" and "coarser".
Identity politics as we know is a corrosive force but this man's arguments are simplistic. Making everyone the same destroys culture - the Chinese are trying to do it and erasing 5000 years of regional culture and wisdom in the process. Imagine if India was made a monoculture. There are over simplifications in his thesis as he states it. He needs to be more discriminating as to what he means by a group and group identity.
The guest's voice sometimes drops to a whisper; it is hard to listen to.
Peter is so smart that its hard for him to play a person with 1/2 a brain cell
PB has TDS
Wealthy families, societies and backgrounds are the results of biology. It all starts with biology. And the response to environmental factors depends on biology.
Explain please?
First
And the Generals are all approved by a Congress of which the people do not approve. The military is literally collapsing from within and look no farther than the jab mandate, woke policies, and recruiting numbers. Oh, putting women in combat arms is absolutely part of the lowering of standards.
I think everyone on the Right is sick of hearing this silly opinion about "collectivism."
I am very proud of all my identities.
I am White.
I am Irish.
I am German.
I am American.
I am proud of my State and town.
I am proud of my family.
I am not just an individual. I am a member of many collectives. Every other race and identity is allowed to be openly proud about their collective. And then guys like this still can't say anything but "let's all be individuals." The problem is that White people in particular are being forced to believe in individualism and we aren't allowed to identify with anything but individualism.
Individualism is divide and conquer.
I don’t understand the argument for representation in every job, how on earth is that possible when you have certain jobs like in the NBA and other sports that they’re overly represented. So how can you ever reach a point then?
That is sport
A truly terrible attempt at steelmanning any opposing arguments. Come on Peter; get outside your echo chamber.
I thought it was pretty good. What would be some better steelman args, in your opinion?
@@seanraz half of Peter's questions were thinly veiled mockings of the most extreme woke arguments.
Perhaps I'm being unfair, but Jens' research came across as being heavily confirmation biased. I'm sure there are many economists who could provide much more rigorous criticism.
Despite Peter being the originator of street epistemology (which I appreciate very much) and ostensibly caring a lot about engaging with the strongest arguments on all sides, his channel has recently featured a continuous stream of people who share his utter contempt for anything that could be associated with wokeness, and not a single person with expertise who holds an opposing view. Peter tries to play devil's advocate, but he often lacks the expertise to do it effectively. That felt obvious in this video.
*Maybe* that's because no one with expertise who holds an opposing view will come on his channel. If so, that is disappointing. Even more disappointing, and I suspect more likely, is that Peter is not actually trying all that hard to find serious challengers because his anti-woke shtick is more fun for him and more popular with his audience.
I'd love to hear someone like Unlearning Economics' take on this @unlearningeconomics9021
@@toddhoustein Thanks for your response. I, too, thought there was a risk of confirmation bias in Heycke's approach. As one perplexed by the appeal of things like Critical Theory and identity politics (as opposed to classical liberal approaches), I like the attempt at steelman arguments, if only to hear them argued in a context where they might be refuted. I think it is hard to have those types of dialogues with identitarians, because part of their approach is to disengage and employ ad hominem arguments with anyone who disagrees about their fundamental premises. I was hoping you might take a stab at doing a better steelman to demonstrate where PB might have done better. Unlike you, though, I think PB genuinely tries to understand the "other side". Its refreshing to see someone attempting!
@@seanraz Check out a conversation on a similar (but different) topic facilitated by Spencer Greenberg: "Episode 085: The clash between social justice and anti-wokeness (with Amber Dawn and Holly Elmore)". In his own words: "For my podcast (Clearer Thinking), I developed a format where we bring together two people who disagree on a topic, not to have a debate, but to try to work collaboratively to figure out WHY they disagree."
Credit where it's due: I just remembered that Peter recently did this with the Rationality Rules guy who had opposing views to Peter on gender, along with another guest who broadly shared Peter's view. Peter facilitated a good process where he didn't let his ideology get in the way much at all. Bravo! But all of the other videos I've seen of Peter's feature anti-wokers doing a generally poor job of steelmanning opposing views.
two more uncomfortable chairs to listen to
17:13 you know I’m thinking about blacks, tell me why blacks are bad please. 😂
Ask Michael Jackson.
@@sdrc92126 or maybe you have some insight?
I will.
The answer is offensive to ppl.
I'd be called racist the more honest my response is.
Black history month, if they stuck to the truth it would be an interesting month.
Of course, people with similar cultures are going to ‘meld’ together better, this is common sense! Like attracts like, that is human nature. We should NOT let people into our Country who dislike/hate our culture; and , we know, there are people who don’t like the USA and should not be allowed in! Period! End of conversation!
good job arguing the other side
Thank you