I take your point, but the culture looking to enter, wouldn't want to desert their own culture for another unless they thought it was better too. So, we all know, but some of us aren't being honest about it.@@vernonbowling5136
@@vernonbowling5136 What those from the North of England dishing on those from the South? Man, Liverpool and Manchester are like different countries and they are within spitting distance of one another.
But the demand to prioritize a national identity above the human identity _is_ division! People are so attached to the idea and pride of nation that they can't see it's the very thing causing division. "United we stand, divided we fall" is right. But prioritizing a national identity is division, and immigration is the means by which national identity is dissolved for unity.
@@limitisillusion7 But it's cultural identity we are talking about here - which clearly encompasses many compatible nations - as based on the empirical evidence described above.
@@nikthefix8918 National identities are just beefed up cultural identities. Some are more compatible with each other than others. What better way do you propose opposing nations and countries unite culturally than through immigration? These are the growing pains necessary for a quorum sensing phenomenon to occur. I'll admit, I'm a little foggy on the exact details of this video and the motivation for my comment as it's been awhile since I watched.
that's what France tried, it did'nt work. Konstantin's diagnostic is correct, but it has been tried and look at both UK and France... almost the same situation although France has'nt lost as much ground as the UK, it's still a constant fight and it comes at aver high price. You can't force people to integrate to your culture, exept if you have very little immigration : they have not choice but to.If you insist on having millions they will gather and form an outgroup. It's time to face that having millions of people coming in is not a good thing, it's not sustainable, it does'nt work. Low levels were ok ,if you picked just who you needed where you needed them, mass immigration is'nt.
@@backintimealwyn5736I think I agree with you, I'm a foreigner living in China with my Chinese wife, and I try to just be inconspicuous, avoid speaking English outside, etc. But if you have a lot of foreigners like in cities such as Shenzhen they tend to congregate, hang out at bars, and just speak their own language and not integrate. But the amount of foreigners is still low. Japan also has low levels, though higher than China, and has kept its culture.
@@backintimealwyn5736 I agree with you on the volume of immigration. It must be lowered to a level that will enhance, but not overwhelm the host culture. We have uncontrolled immigration, driven by an economic model that simply does not work and is in fact supported by lies.
@@leewilton5082 why are you so persuaded that it will "enhance" in any way the host culture? Has it? Ever? Do you find that your culture , whatever it is, british, Italian, swedish has been "enhanced" in the last decades? All I see is decay everywhere in Europe. It's not only mass migration's fault though, but I think the enhacemnet theory can be declared debunked from now. So sure, in America , when they were draining the brains from Europe it would bring enhancement, steell all the PHDs in rocket science from a place like early 20th century europe , you'll get pimped as a nation. But it's not what's happening in Europe right now.
I think you mean,. If the visitors don't like the hosts, but you are totally correct. Most people could see exactly what was coming with 3rd world emigration.
@@chrisdickinson7949Exactly. It only serves to bring the west into the 3rd world as most immigrants bring the cultural issues that infest their homeland with them, mostly without realising it.
@@chrisdickinson7949 you are correct sir..... and now I'd look like a cuck if I was to edit it and leave your comment breathless.... so I'll just say. "thanks it must have been a typo" 😁😁🤦
@@chrisdickinson7949 right you are sir.... oops.... I can't correct it now or your comment would become breathless... I'll tell everyone it's a typo. 😁😁🤦
How do you explain that some cultures and ethnicities seem to be so much better though at going abroad and assimilating into whatever culture they chose? So for example, I have never met a single person that has complained about German, French, Portuguese, Japanese, Vietnamese immigrants anywhere in this world. This really only ever seems to be a problem with people from a few different groups: - Muslims - in particular if they are from Northern Africa or the Middle East - Sub Saharan Africa - People from the Subcontinent, i.e. from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc. Why do we struggle so much with some groups, but not with others? I grew up in East Germany, half of the kids I went to school with were from former socialist countries whose parents had settled in East Germany - i.e. Russia, Poland, Czechia, Romania, Vietnam etc. Absolutely no problems and everyone got along just fine. All of these kids also grew up to be Germans. Sure, they kept part of their identity from their parent's origin, traditions, certain values, faith, food etc... but they also understood to adapt to German culture and it worked out brilliantly. Yet we have always had massive problems with Turkish communities, people from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Syria, Egypt etc. and it's just not the same. They do not integrate. They do not become German. They just stay whoever they are and practice the exact same beliefs as they did in their home country. And the worst thing is that when you challenge them on anything, they try and oppress you in your own country... some even go so far as to try and force their beliefs and culture on the native population. Why is that? Are we just too incompatible culturally and from a religious point of view? Why are we not having problems with some, but massive problems with other groups? There is clearly something about certain cultures and the way religion manifests in those cultures that make them so they cannot integrate with our cultures, values, society etc... and denying this doesn't help anybody. Have you ever heard of any problems with the 220,000 Ukrainians the UK took in after the start of the war with Russia? Or with the 150,000 people from Hong Kong? No. But we hear every day about Muslim communities that are building a state within a state, refuse to interact with anybody outside of their own ethinic circle, even go so far as to try and tell us we should adapt to their world views. It annoys me beyond belief that we seem completely incapable of simply acknowledging that not every person is good and not every person should be allowed to live among us. Sad reality is, there are good people and there are bad people. A successful multi-ethnic society can only work if we are extremely picky with who we let become part of our society.
Well that was very insightful and I think accurate. So I'll answer your question of why we can't seem to exist peacefully alongside certain cultures in a very simple explanation. Some cultures just simply produce better human beings than others, and nobody wants to be a worse human being than they are so they reject the substandard culture.
Quite right. Us native Anglo saxons have no problem with Chinese or other far eastern immigrants. Their cultures seem to be much more compatible to ours. It seems that mainly Islamic cultures are not compatible with western cultures
it seems to stem from the fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between making the factual statement that some differences are not compatible and intolerance/hatred/prejudice against differences, i.e. pointing out that some cultures (or some practices within different cultures) are poorly compatible and will result in tensions, is often equated to racism
Very well articulated! Kisin had wise parents. It is important from whatever country people immigrate from that they are not aggressive or antagonistic towards a country’s heritage, which in Australia 🇦🇺 was a strong Christian heritage. We have British migrants either side of us and they hate Christianity and have blatantly been persecuting and abusive towards us and regularly, deliberately stalk us. I have had some Muslim immigrants mainly the women who have openly looked with contempt at me whilst being out at the shops, just because I am not a Muslim. So integration and respect from wherever you come from, is absolutely paramount.
You cannot intigrate contradictory values ,For a nation at peace, as we had in general inthe distant past befor madcap immigration, you nead the possibillity of assimilation ,When the incommers are set against that, even integration then we have big problems , Problems we did not nead to have ..
That statement is inaccurate and misleading as a generalization. Division is necessary at certain times and levels of organization, such as cell division, leaving the nest, separate cultures (nations) at the global level, ...etc.
So who's to blame for the success of the divide and culture strategies: the people allowing the immigrants in or the people who refuse to accept the new culture? The rulers allowing the immigration have no power if the people they're trying to divide choose not to be divided. When you truly understand divide and conquer strategies, you stop falling for them! Red and yellow make orange. Lots of red and a little yellow don't make red, they make a redish-orange. A lack of acceptance of the immigrants by the host nation's citizens is equivalent to falling for the divide and conquer strategies. Acceptance of the immigrants means a new redish-orange culture, *not* a yellow culture. Compromise has to come from all sides. The national identities are the problem. The nature of globalization has forced us to give up our national identity and to prioritize our human identity for the first time in recorded history, and if you push back, you're asking for war... First trade wars and then physical wars. European nations fight for years, and they eventually formed the EU. The same pattern is playing out between every nation in Earth and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Don't be mad, be happy! It's a wonderful time to be alive. We get to experience part of the transition of this planet from divided chaos to united peace.
I don’t think I have ever heard this explained better! I am an immigrant to Canada(55 years ago) and I still remember my father saying much the same thing as Konstantin’s parents when my Mom suggested we join the Dutch club, his response.. “ We did not come to Canada to hang out with a bunch of Dutch people, we came here to be Canadian.. How far we have come from that point of view, even suggesting that all cultures are not created equal means you are considered racist..
I'd argue that mass immigration has a dampening affect on economic growth, firstly since many migrants need support and secondly since it has a steady demoralising affect on the public
@@kevanbodsworth9868 sure, but isn’t there a wholistic perspective? I guess that’s psychology, health, or spirituality. We need genius level leaders, not obsessives with blind spots, who hurt peace & progress.
@@xeropunt5749 I do not believe genius is required .. Integrety and a determined drive to truth .. Intelegent but not genius ,We have burocrats who opperate the levers of power.Thier highest priority is to stay in power-
Konstantin, The more I hear you speaking on different threads, the more I am so proud of you and what you say about embracing the country you have come to. Keep up the good work and you will succeed, you are a great motivator, innovator, forward thinking person that Great Britain needs in order to weather this threat that is multiculturalism......which as you say, doesn't work in the slightest!
What he doesn't address is the all-important question of what to do with people who are incompatible with the nation's values, etc., who are born citizens of the country, of several generations; the people you can't tell to "go back to where you came from", because they are already where they came from.
You then require an overall policy which covers everyone to swear alliance to the UK above any and all other parts of the world and them be legally obliged to do so, like all members of the Armed Forces. But that's treading a dangerous path too. Its a problem that doesn't really have any good solution.
Too many people equate ethnicity with culture. They say multicultural when they really mean multiethnic. All people are equal regardless of ethnicity, but all cultures are not equal.
No they are not. A British family who has fought Germany in WW2, and thereby defended its country, should be treated differently than a migrant who works in London to get a piece of the pie. The world has truly gone insane...
I find I have more culturally in common with Nigerians and Chinese friends from church, than with other English people at work. Culture is about values and behaviour, not ethnicity.
Mixtures of people bring with it social and political ideals that are often forced on each other. When in Rome.....is what makes a country cohesive. In fact, requiring language proficiency and classes on history should be the first step toward integration to obtain cohesiveness.
As a person from Indonesia 🇮🇩 country with so many cultures. 1,300 ethnic groups and 700 regional languages. Can still be united as a single country. 😎multiculturalism is out great power.
Ever heard of Adam Smith? He wrote this little book called Wealth of Nations. In it he used the word 'education' Eighty Times and wrote "read, write and account" multiple times. So shouldn't mandatory accounting in the schools be part of Western Culture?
Basically, Britain needs someone with the political will to leave the ECHR. I presume he means European Court of Human Rights? If it’s forcing its signatories to accept unlimited amounts of migrants Britain absolutely must leave. What was the point of Brexit otherwise?
A multicultural, multi-ethnic society can be held together over the long term, only by a totally ruthless, non democratic government. A cursory study of history could confirm this. Start if you will, in merrie England. Peace was briefly felt once the culture was unified by ruthless suppression of dissent.
Multi-ethnic is good as long as they are monoculture. We are Canadian, therefore everyone who lives here should adopt the Canadian culture. That involves religious tolerance. So practice your religion, but respect everyones right to practice their own... Muslims, im talking about how you treat jews. Clear?
In order to make this argument, I think you have to clearly define what parts of the "Western" culture "we got right" as they say. Just making a blanket statement covers a lot of territory, including a lot of pretty serious crimes. Was it Western culture that was responsible for the deaths of roughly ten million people in the Belgian colony of the Congo? Certainly the people there saw it that way, and perhaps might have made the same arguments against multiculturalism. Was it western culture that decimated the people's of the America's? It seems likely to me, and I suspect to the original inhabitants of the Caribbean, say. The difference is, of course, that Western culture, as in the Congo, was imposed by force of arms. In any case, many of the "good" parts of western culture weren't handed out by benevolent leaders concerned only with the happiness of the world. They were fought for by people who did concern themselves. And just in case we've forgotten, Western Culture brought us two world wars in the space of forty years that killed roughly 70 million people, many more mained and injured, borders redrawn, and many millions driven from their homes. So when someone talks about "Western Culture". I would like them to be quite specific about what they mean.
OK, but so what? Belgium gave Congo back to the Africans, Americans are not going to give America back the the aboriginals, nor are the Australians going to. Who's better off now, today? The aboriginals? or the residents of the present-day Democratic Republic of the Congo? The important thing, as Kisin says, is what we in the WEIRD cultures are doing right today, and how we got here was what our history is. There is no point apologizing for it or, even worse, atoning for it. We're not going to pay you reparations, if that's what you are driving at. If you are one of those "oppressed" cultures, you are better off materially than you would have been if my ancestors had stayed home and left you alone to invent your own wheels and writing and steam engines and antibiotics and vaccines.
I have heard that cruise ships are an example of "multiculturalism", but that is totally wrong. There are many ethnicities and nationalities on cruise ships, but they operate under ONE corporate culture, based on western values, and use ONE language so everyone can communicate effectively. A group of people from the Philippines may speak Tagalog with each other, and a group of people from India may speak Hindi with each other, but when they talk with other crew members from Indonesia, or Croatia, or Romania, or Italy or Greece, they all speak English. People can get along well and work effectively together when they live under ONE culture and ONE language.
It's lovely Kisin saying this and the other is ideal but breaking down that barrier in cultures from very "monocultural" parts of the world is easier said than done. What he speaks of is hundreds of years away not 1, 5, or 50.
What growth in financial numbers? Immigrants that are coming in currently are not working even if they wanted to. I have no doubt that many really want to make a go of being in a prosperous country. I don't agree with coming in illegally and this should be dealt with by deportation if they are not genuine. But process these people so that the crooks are not being given a free holiday and those who are genuine get proper support to make a go of their lives and contribute to our societies. BUT you come to Britain then you become British. No ifs and no buts. You get the perks and in return for the free health and education plus support from the state if you need it, then you pay tax and if it comes to it, you get called up for National Service. No preferential treatment. This is not a friggin holiday camp.
I’m now in my 70s, and since I was 15yo I have been saying multiculturalism is dangerous, but multiracialism is of benefit to a country. If I could see that 15 why can people understand it now?
The horrible tragedy here is that significant immigration preceded multiculturalism by many decades, so it isn't like the former inevitably implies the latter. Racism, completely normalised when I was growing up, made life pretty miserable for many immigrants, but (from an admittedly white position) I see that _largely_ as a solved problem today, and so there was a brief sweet spot in history when there was a relatively harmonious multi-ethnic society. But the cultural relativist and the guilt trippers and the we-must-atone brigades wouldn't settle for that, so here we are
I disagree I don't believe you should be celebrating your former heritage as if it's equal to your current loyalties. This kind of behavior breeds discontent by acknowledging that you're different. If everybody treats each other as an American then there's no difference based on race. When you start referring to yourself by your heritage you are ultimately referring to yourself as different than every other American.
I think Kisin is just tossing that out there to show he's not racist or xenophobic. The great strength of the United States was always exactly as you say: people became American. I don't think any other country does that so effectively. You are always creatively destroying and rebuilding things. It goes for culture, too.
You mean like Asian American, Irish American, Hispanic American and African American? You hear all these frequently but I wonder why a person’s ancestral ethnicity is placed BEFORE their American identity. It no wonder the society is so fractured.
Define multiculturalism Wasn’t it already there English Welsh Scots Irish With small movements from the continent over hundreds of years that allowed for integration Multiculturalism is just a political polemical word The real damage is and was 1914 followed by 1939
The problem is that many people in the West, especially those who have had little or no interaction with non-Western people, believe that culture is something folkloric. For these people, multiculturalism means that people work together peacefully during the day and go to their folk dance groups in the evening. That's not culture. Culture also includes fundamentally different views on good and evil, child-rearing, treatment for illness, importance of family, the position of men and women within and outside the family. Compliance with treaties towards foreigners, ethnic solidarity. The list goes on and on.Another problem is that many emigrants have a completely illusionistic idea of the Western standard of living, which can only be disappointed here, and that they do not see our way of life in as brilliant and light as we do.
@@AprezaRenaldy Tolerance is only possible to a certain point. If I believe, a child should not be beaten to achieve better results in school, and my partner believes that, tolerance is not the solution. Maybe there is no solution.
Well, migration in Australia 50's,60's worked reasonably Italian, Greek, and English immigrants came to Australia with skills needed & enriched Australia. Bringing immigrants with little or no skills relying on Centrelink payments government housing long term is just ridiculous. We already have Australian born population waiting many years in these conditions, some of which are also choosy on their employment choices. The taxes are rising for all.
The failure of Brexit has shown that greedy business owners are reliant upon cheap non-UK labour to plug their employment gaps and generate greater profits thus providing shareholder dividends and directors bonuses. Now that labour market has gone, they need to look at other ways to find a workforce and uninvited guests arriving daily upon our shores are seen as the answer to their prayers.
Konstantin nailed it with that very "proper" distinction - multi-ethnic as opposed to multi-cultural. Multi ethnic in origin but in an over-riding monocultural society, in accordance with the that society's culture. But, of course, in a country lead by weak politicians so water-logged in wokedom as here in the UK, any culture which wants to muscle in and, effectively, invade and conquer is perfectly at liberty to do so, without the need for arms. Democracy comes down to votes and if you have the numbers, you can take over that country.
History has shown obsession about the superiority of one's culture leads down disastrous paths. As an Englishman, I can see the massive influences from foreign cultures through history that led to some of our greatest achievements. Our language, hugely influenced. Our sea-faring skills, hugely influenced. Our leadership, hugely influenced. Let's not even get started on things like music and food... Those who fail to recognise the impact of other cultures positively are simply sheep parroting the msm lines. Learn about history, or even just look around you, and it dispels this childishly reductionist analysis that "multi-culturalism bad".
Kisin - very good at talking and makes a career of it, but as he says - 'you want to be this or that - fine'. Which sounds all very reasonable - but is he providing a solution or way ahead? Nope, not a sausage, he's just re-iterating what some of us - often those who have matured and travelled widely already know - en-masse multiculturalism (read multi ethnic populations) has been tried for millennia worldwide and has ALWAYS led to envy, hatred and eventually strife. Cannot we recognise this, at last, for the benefit of all concerned and work instead in cooperation and trade as best we can?
My personal opinion is the failure of multiculturalism as a result of some individuals all over the world may come in Australia illegally either by boat or by any other illegal ways wanting to share the Australian society in everything belong to the Australian society, but in fact they do not want the Australian society to share with them their own things. typical to those do not want to pay the right tax and those intend to act against the Australian society in drug trafficking, money laundry, and many other illegal things can destroy the Australian society at all times.
In theory, no. But that's based under the assumption that every culture doesn't have the doctrine "We are only happy if these people don't exist at all."
The myth of multiculturalism. Culture is a response to environment and it is not static, it is in a constant state of change. If you change the environment the culture changes automatically. People who move to a new country can not bring their old culture with them because changing their environment automatically produces cultural change. But as they establish themselves in a new location they change the existing culture in the new location simply by being there i.e.: by changing the environment. For these reasons the whole idea of multiculturalism is nonsense. We need to get on with building a better society here and now and although we should respect the history of all of the people in our society this does not justify using "Multiculturalism" as a proper reason for anything.
3:50 Correct, we need monoculturalism, but not in the way you define it. 4:02 You were so close, but you missed. That overarching identity is *not* British! The identity that we must prioritize is not that of one nation, religion, ethnicity etc. We must prioritize the *human* identity! Can't you see it? Your national identities are the *problem.* Diversity ≠ Division. A lack of acceptance of diversity is division. The prioritization of any subgroup identity above the human identity is the cause of the lack of acceptance of diversity!
All of the countries that created modern Western civilization have - or at least had - strong national identities. In fact, the European countries that left-wingers generally hold up as the ideal societies are mostly Scandinavian monoracial monocultures. The push toward multiculturalism and open borders has created nothing but misery in the West. It was forced on us mostly by a bunch of millionaires and billionaires who think low and middle income first world people have too much compared to people in the second and third worlds. The hypocrisy of these academic and business eiltes is staggering.
Participant multiculturalism might be a useful way of describing this. People keep their cultural heritage but primarily participate in the overarching culture of the country they are in - for their greater benefit and everyone else's.
Some of these other cultures may never assimilate. So we end up with people inside of our borders that want to change everything that makes us great. So its literally an invasion from a foreign power
As Paul Joseph Watson said, "All cultures are not the same. Some cultures are better than others."
Who decides though
@@seanmoran2743the culture not looking to enter.
I take your point, but the culture looking to enter, wouldn't want to desert their own culture for another unless they thought it was better too. So, we all know, but some of us aren't being honest about it.@@vernonbowling5136
@@vernonbowling5136 What those from the North of England dishing on those from the South? Man, Liverpool and Manchester are like different countries and they are within spitting distance of one another.
@@seanmoran2743 Someone who has stakes in the country who represents the actual country first and foremost?
A house divided against itself cannot stand ! Been true for thousands of years and it is still true.
Divide and conquer, united we stand divided we fall… always has been true, always will be. You are absolutely right.
But the demand to prioritize a national identity above the human identity _is_ division! People are so attached to the idea and pride of nation that they can't see it's the very thing causing division.
"United we stand, divided we fall" is right. But prioritizing a national identity is division, and immigration is the means by which national identity is dissolved for unity.
@@limitisillusion7 But it's cultural identity we are talking about here - which clearly encompasses many compatible nations - as based on the empirical evidence described above.
@@nikthefix8918 National identities are just beefed up cultural identities. Some are more compatible with each other than others. What better way do you propose opposing nations and countries unite culturally than through immigration? These are the growing pains necessary for a quorum sensing phenomenon to occur.
I'll admit, I'm a little foggy on the exact details of this video and the motivation for my comment as it's been awhile since I watched.
That was in reference to being separated from god. Clearly, religion is the source of intolerance that makes multiculturalism difficult.
Nailed it. Multi national. Not multicultural. .....Monocultural.
that's what France tried, it did'nt work. Konstantin's diagnostic is correct, but it has been tried and look at both UK and France... almost the same situation although France has'nt lost as much ground as the UK, it's still a constant fight and it comes at aver high price. You can't force people to integrate to your culture, exept if you have very little immigration : they have not choice but to.If you insist on having millions they will gather and form an outgroup. It's time to face that having millions of people coming in is not a good thing, it's not sustainable, it does'nt work. Low levels were ok ,if you picked just who you needed where you needed them, mass immigration is'nt.
@@backintimealwyn5736 Volumes determines the result, nothing else. Assimilation.
@@backintimealwyn5736I think I agree with you, I'm a foreigner living in China with my Chinese wife, and I try to just be inconspicuous, avoid speaking English outside, etc. But if you have a lot of foreigners like in cities such as Shenzhen they tend to congregate, hang out at bars, and just speak their own language and not integrate. But the amount of foreigners is still low. Japan also has low levels, though higher than China, and has kept its culture.
@@backintimealwyn5736 I agree with you on the volume of immigration. It must be lowered to a level that will enhance, but not overwhelm the host culture. We have uncontrolled immigration, driven by an economic model that simply does not work and is in fact supported by lies.
@@leewilton5082 why are you so persuaded that it will "enhance" in any way the host culture? Has it? Ever? Do you find that your culture , whatever it is, british, Italian, swedish has been "enhanced" in the last decades? All I see is decay everywhere in Europe. It's not only mass migration's fault though, but I think the enhacemnet theory can be declared debunked from now. So sure, in America , when they were draining the brains from Europe it would bring enhancement, steell all the PHDs in rocket science from a place like early 20th century europe , you'll get pimped as a nation. But it's not what's happening in Europe right now.
I was saying this in the eighties that multiculturalism will not work if the visitors don't like the guests.....
I think you mean,. If the visitors don't like the hosts, but you are totally correct. Most people could see exactly what was coming with 3rd world emigration.
@@chrisdickinson7949Exactly. It only serves to bring the west into the 3rd world as most immigrants bring the cultural issues that infest their homeland with them, mostly without realising it.
@@chrisdickinson7949 you are correct sir..... and now I'd look like a cuck if I was to edit it and leave your comment breathless.... so I'll just say. "thanks it must have been a typo" 😁😁🤦
@@chrisdickinson7949 right you are sir.... oops.... I can't correct it now or your comment would become breathless... I'll tell everyone it's a typo. 😁😁🤦
Or the guests don't like the hosts
Excellent conversation.
How do you explain that some cultures and ethnicities seem to be so much better though at going abroad and assimilating into whatever culture they chose? So for example, I have never met a single person that has complained about German, French, Portuguese, Japanese, Vietnamese immigrants anywhere in this world.
This really only ever seems to be a problem with people from a few different groups:
- Muslims - in particular if they are from Northern Africa or the Middle East
- Sub Saharan Africa
- People from the Subcontinent, i.e. from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc.
Why do we struggle so much with some groups, but not with others?
I grew up in East Germany, half of the kids I went to school with were from former socialist countries whose parents had settled in East Germany - i.e. Russia, Poland, Czechia, Romania, Vietnam etc. Absolutely no problems and everyone got along just fine. All of these kids also grew up to be Germans. Sure, they kept part of their identity from their parent's origin, traditions, certain values, faith, food etc... but they also understood to adapt to German culture and it worked out brilliantly.
Yet we have always had massive problems with Turkish communities, people from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Syria, Egypt etc. and it's just not the same. They do not integrate. They do not become German. They just stay whoever they are and practice the exact same beliefs as they did in their home country. And the worst thing is that when you challenge them on anything, they try and oppress you in your own country... some even go so far as to try and force their beliefs and culture on the native population.
Why is that? Are we just too incompatible culturally and from a religious point of view?
Why are we not having problems with some, but massive problems with other groups?
There is clearly something about certain cultures and the way religion manifests in those cultures that make them so they cannot integrate with our cultures, values, society etc... and denying this doesn't help anybody.
Have you ever heard of any problems with the 220,000 Ukrainians the UK took in after the start of the war with Russia? Or with the 150,000 people from Hong Kong? No.
But we hear every day about Muslim communities that are building a state within a state, refuse to interact with anybody outside of their own ethinic circle, even go so far as to try and tell us we should adapt to their world views.
It annoys me beyond belief that we seem completely incapable of simply acknowledging that not every person is good and not every person should be allowed to live among us.
Sad reality is, there are good people and there are bad people.
A successful multi-ethnic society can only work if we are extremely picky with who we let become part of our society.
Well that was very insightful and I think accurate. So I'll answer your question of why we can't seem to exist peacefully alongside certain cultures in a very simple explanation. Some cultures just simply produce better human beings than others, and nobody wants to be a worse human being than they are so they reject the substandard culture.
Quite right. Us native Anglo saxons have no problem with Chinese or other far eastern immigrants. Their cultures seem to be much more compatible to ours. It seems that mainly Islamic cultures are not compatible with western cultures
Spot on there are compatible cultures and people and the non compatible
Because ıslam religion is dangerous
it seems to stem from the fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between making the factual statement that some differences are not compatible and intolerance/hatred/prejudice against differences, i.e. pointing out that some cultures (or some practices within different cultures) are poorly compatible and will result in tensions, is often equated to racism
Very well articulated!
Kisin had wise parents.
It is important from whatever country people immigrate from that they are not aggressive or antagonistic towards a country’s heritage, which in Australia 🇦🇺 was a strong Christian heritage.
We have British migrants either side of us and they hate Christianity and have blatantly been persecuting and abusive towards us and regularly, deliberately stalk us.
I have had some Muslim immigrants mainly the women who have openly looked with contempt at me whilst being out at the shops, just because I am not a Muslim.
So integration and respect from wherever you come from, is absolutely paramount.
The Muslims I have met in Australia have been wonderful people, especially the women. Did you spit on them?
😂Lol Australia borders Indonesia. Even Indonesians don't want to migrate to Australia And Australia still has an immigrant problem.
Australia has a culture of stealing native population land🤣🤣🤣
There has to be integration otherwise there is fragmentation.
RCC is ready to accept you conversions ;-)
You cannot intigrate contradictory values ,For a nation at peace, as we had in general inthe distant past befor madcap immigration, you nead the possibillity of assimilation ,When the incommers are set against that, even integration then we have big problems , Problems we did not nead to have ..
Excellent two men - the BBC will ignore them both.
They are BOTH agents/tools of the Global Jewish Nation.
the age old tactic ..."divide and conquer..."
That statement is inaccurate and misleading as a generalization. Division is necessary at certain times and levels of organization, such as cell division, leaving the nest, separate cultures (nations) at the global level, ...etc.
You're exactly right! It's hilarious how quickly a "change agent" ThinkofWhy responded, trying to refute you.
See: Coudenhove-Kalergi
@@WindellGreen I did not state that that statement was false or wrong. The words I used were "inaccurate" and "misleading".
So who's to blame for the success of the divide and culture strategies: the people allowing the immigrants in or the people who refuse to accept the new culture? The rulers allowing the immigration have no power if the people they're trying to divide choose not to be divided. When you truly understand divide and conquer strategies, you stop falling for them!
Red and yellow make orange. Lots of red and a little yellow don't make red, they make a redish-orange. A lack of acceptance of the immigrants by the host nation's citizens is equivalent to falling for the divide and conquer strategies. Acceptance of the immigrants means a new redish-orange culture, *not* a yellow culture.
Compromise has to come from all sides. The national identities are the problem. The nature of globalization has forced us to give up our national identity and to prioritize our human identity for the first time in recorded history, and if you push back, you're asking for war... First trade wars and then physical wars. European nations fight for years, and they eventually formed the EU. The same pattern is playing out between every nation in Earth and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Don't be mad, be happy! It's a wonderful time to be alive. We get to experience part of the transition of this planet from divided chaos to united peace.
I don’t think I have ever heard this explained better! I am an immigrant to Canada(55 years ago) and I still remember my father saying much the same thing as Konstantin’s parents when my Mom suggested we join the Dutch club, his response.. “ We did not come to Canada to hang out with a bunch of Dutch people, we came here to be Canadian.. How far we have come from that point of view, even suggesting that all cultures are not created equal means you are considered racist..
Nasi in Canada parlemen
I'd argue that mass immigration has a dampening affect on economic growth,
firstly since many migrants need support and secondly since it has a steady demoralising affect on the public
It’s a way of driving down wages while increasing pressure on services which increases more immigration
This is how ancient Egypt fell.
Evidence? Statistics?
Thank you for saying the truth.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." Aristotle.
This is NOT Aristotle. We might like the meaning of this phrase, but it is not in any of Aristotle's extant works.
I need objective truth. Not left or right obsessions.
Don't we all, however were not getting it from the mainstream media, just look at some objective truth's from Sweden to see how it could end up for us
There is objective truth on the Left and on the Right .
@@kevanbodsworth9868 sure, but isn’t there a wholistic perspective? I guess that’s psychology, health, or spirituality. We need genius level leaders, not obsessives with blind spots, who hurt peace & progress.
@@xeropunt5749 I do not believe genius is required .. Integrety and a determined drive to truth .. Intelegent but not genius ,We have burocrats who opperate the levers of power.Thier highest priority is to stay in power-
nailed it!
If you leave your country to find a better life, embrace your new home, don’t try to change it to the country you left.
Well said
Konstantin, The more I hear you speaking on different threads, the more I am so proud of you and what you say about embracing the country you have come to. Keep up the good work and you will succeed, you are a great motivator, innovator, forward thinking person that Great Britain needs in order to weather this threat that is multiculturalism......which as you say, doesn't work in the slightest!
Greeting from Poland! 🇵🇱 No multiculti, no problem.
There's only one culture in Australia, it's called Australian.
Sorry to tell you that is not the case brah.
I have a dream @@Marriedrebels
@@michaelwhittaker7960 I do too brother. And it’s to keep Australia at least 90% Australian. And to drink Victoria bitters everywhere I live!
@@MarriedrebelsI'd say 95%/5% is the maximum that can adequately function....
Multiculturalism is yet another failed left wing idea.
I don't think I've ever heard a better, more articulate explanation of how and why multiculturalism fails western societies.
Outstanding and remarkable work exposing the truth John and Konstantin! 💯 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏❤️🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
What he doesn't address is the all-important question of what to do with people who are incompatible with the nation's values, etc., who are born citizens of the country, of several generations; the people you can't tell to "go back to where you came from", because they are already where they came from.
You then require an overall policy which covers everyone to swear alliance to the UK above any and all other parts of the world and them be legally obliged to do so, like all members of the Armed Forces.
But that's treading a dangerous path too.
Its a problem that doesn't really have any good solution.
Finally someone says it out loud
Just look around, and you see it yourself.it does not work.
Too many people equate ethnicity with culture. They say multicultural when they really mean multiethnic. All people are equal regardless of ethnicity, but all cultures are not equal.
yup
No they are not. A British family who has fought Germany in WW2, and thereby defended its country, should be treated differently than a migrant who works in London to get a piece of the pie. The world has truly gone insane...
None is equal
@@Mizionarey77Who decides?
I find I have more culturally in common with Nigerians and Chinese friends from church, than with other English people at work.
Culture is about values and behaviour, not ethnicity.
Mixtures of people bring with it social and political ideals that are often forced on each other. When in Rome.....is what makes a country cohesive. In fact, requiring language proficiency and classes on history should be the first step toward integration to obtain cohesiveness.
As a person from Indonesia 🇮🇩 country with so many cultures. 1,300 ethnic groups and 700 regional languages. Can still be united as a single country. 😎multiculturalism is out great power.
And the Indonesian Army, which keeps all together.
Well said KK. Thank you John.
Yes.
Anglo-Australia is tolerating itself out of existence.
Global village = Global riots
Kisin is absolutely right. Social cohesion doesn't exist without a national identity.
I love to hear both of these men. Glad UA-cam has a little bit of thinking left in their collective brain to not "censor" this.
Keep every nation below 10% and we are all fine.
5%
Tribes DO NOT INTERGRATE.
The Welsh, Scotts and English have lived together under one rule for hundreds of years and are not yet fully integrated
"The Stranger at my Gate"
Your parents got it absolutely correct. Well done.
YES.
Ever heard of Adam Smith?
He wrote this little book called Wealth of Nations. In it he used the word 'education' Eighty Times and wrote "read, write and account" multiple times.
So shouldn't mandatory accounting in the schools be part of Western Culture?
Spot on
John, very simple. keep Islamists in their realm and Christians in other realms, and Buddhists in their realm etc......etc...............
Basically, Britain needs someone with the political will to leave the ECHR. I presume he means European Court of Human Rights? If it’s forcing its signatories to accept unlimited amounts of migrants Britain absolutely must leave. What was the point of Brexit otherwise?
this might be the best articulation of the issue i have heard yet, multi ethnic > multi culture. well done KK :D
He said it out LOUD! ;)
A multicultural, multi-ethnic society can be held together over the long term, only by a totally ruthless, non democratic government. A cursory study of history could confirm this. Start if you will, in merrie England. Peace was briefly felt once the culture was unified by ruthless suppression of dissent.
In short, yes.
Keep talking
so true. multi ethic, yes ! Multicultural, not so much !
WE need to het out of the UN.
Multi-ethnic is good as long as they are monoculture.
We are Canadian, therefore everyone who lives here should adopt the Canadian culture.
That involves religious tolerance. So practice your religion, but respect everyones right to practice their own...
Muslims, im talking about how you treat jews. Clear?
Nazi in Canada baby
In order to make this argument, I think you have to clearly define what parts of the "Western" culture "we got right" as they say. Just making a blanket statement covers a lot of territory, including a lot of pretty serious crimes. Was it Western culture that was responsible for the deaths of roughly ten million people in the Belgian colony of the Congo? Certainly the people there saw it that way, and perhaps might have made the same arguments against multiculturalism. Was it western culture that decimated the people's of the America's? It seems likely to me, and I suspect to the original inhabitants of the Caribbean, say. The difference is, of course, that Western culture, as in the Congo, was imposed by force of arms. In any case, many of the "good" parts of western culture weren't handed out by benevolent leaders concerned only with the happiness of the world. They were fought for by people who did concern themselves. And just in case we've forgotten, Western Culture brought us two world wars in the space of forty years that killed roughly 70 million people, many more mained and injured, borders redrawn, and many millions driven from their homes. So when someone talks about "Western Culture". I would like them to be quite specific about what they mean.
OK, but so what? Belgium gave Congo back to the Africans, Americans are not going to give America back the the aboriginals, nor are the Australians going to. Who's better off now, today? The aboriginals? or the residents of the present-day Democratic Republic of the Congo? The important thing, as Kisin says, is what we in the WEIRD cultures are doing right today, and how we got here was what our history is. There is no point apologizing for it or, even worse, atoning for it. We're not going to pay you reparations, if that's what you are driving at. If you are one of those "oppressed" cultures, you are better off materially than you would have been if my ancestors had stayed home and left you alone to invent your own wheels and writing and steam engines and antibiotics and vaccines.
Truth‼️
Pure pleasure
too late my friend …
Multi-ethnic, not multi-cultural. Culture isn't just about food and dance and costumes. Multi-culturalism is a crock.
I have heard that cruise ships are an example of "multiculturalism", but that is totally wrong. There are many ethnicities and nationalities on cruise ships, but they operate under ONE corporate culture, based on western values, and use ONE language so everyone can communicate effectively.
A group of people from the Philippines may speak Tagalog with each other, and a group of people from India may speak Hindi with each other, but when they talk with other crew members from Indonesia, or Croatia, or Romania, or Italy or Greece, they all speak English.
People can get along well and work effectively together when they live under ONE culture and ONE language.
It's lovely Kisin saying this and the other is ideal but breaking down that barrier in cultures from very "monocultural" parts of the world is easier said than done.
What he speaks of is hundreds of years away not 1, 5, or 50.
Good luck with that....
What growth in financial numbers? Immigrants that are coming in currently are not working even if they wanted to. I have no doubt that many really want to make a go of being in a prosperous country. I don't agree with coming in illegally and this should be dealt with by deportation if they are not genuine. But process these people so that the crooks are not being given a free holiday and those who are genuine get proper support to make a go of their lives and contribute to our societies.
BUT you come to Britain then you become British. No ifs and no buts. You get the perks and in return for the free health and education plus support from the state if you need it, then you pay tax and if it comes to it, you get called up for National Service. No preferential treatment. This is not a friggin holiday camp.
They are costing billions. If not trillions over the last 25 years. Both legal and illegal.
I’m now in my 70s, and since I was 15yo I have been saying multiculturalism is dangerous, but multiracialism is of benefit to a country. If I could see that 15 why can people understand it now?
GDP or GDP / head of population. GDP can go up while per capita it can fall.
As is happening in Canada. And much of our recent GDP increase has been due to expansion of the civil service to hire all these newcomers.
Yes it is the problem.
The horrible tragedy here is that significant immigration preceded multiculturalism by many decades, so it isn't like the former inevitably implies the latter. Racism, completely normalised when I was growing up, made life pretty miserable for many immigrants, but (from an admittedly white position) I see that _largely_ as a solved problem today, and so there was a brief sweet spot in history when there was a relatively harmonious multi-ethnic society. But the cultural relativist and the guilt trippers and the we-must-atone brigades wouldn't settle for that, so here we are
Well articulated and nuanced. Migrants who come here must integrate and become Aussies while retaining their ethnic origins.
The home state is not the issue. All the visitors generally hate each other all carrying old wounds with their cultural baggage
Very true
In canada yes
You’ll never hear this on MSM😡
Australia uses Newcomers to pay pensions of old Europeans through tax
Do no say the quiet part out loud.
I disagree I don't believe you should be celebrating your former heritage as if it's equal to your current loyalties. This kind of behavior breeds discontent by acknowledging that you're different. If everybody treats each other as an American then there's no difference based on race. When you start referring to yourself by your heritage you are ultimately referring to yourself as different than every other American.
I think Kisin is just tossing that out there to show he's not racist or xenophobic. The great strength of the United States was always exactly as you say: people became American. I don't think any other country does that so effectively. You are always creatively destroying and rebuilding things. It goes for culture, too.
You mean like Asian American, Irish American, Hispanic American and African American? You hear all these frequently but I wonder why a person’s ancestral ethnicity is placed BEFORE their American identity. It no wonder the society is so fractured.
Ethnostates or quasi-ethnostates aren't bad also 😊
from Japan
What are you going to do for your aging population if no one in that ethnostate wants to have babies, though? Serious question.
Culture is downstream from race. At the core of the problem is the fact there are great differences between the races.
Define multiculturalism
Wasn’t it already there
English
Welsh
Scots
Irish
With small movements from the continent over hundreds of years that allowed for integration
Multiculturalism is just a political polemical word
The real damage is and was 1914 followed by 1939
The problem is that many people in the West, especially those who have had little or no interaction with non-Western people, believe that culture is something folkloric. For these people, multiculturalism means that people work together peacefully during the day and go to their folk dance groups in the evening. That's not culture. Culture also includes fundamentally different views on good and evil, child-rearing, treatment for illness, importance of family, the position of men and women within and outside the family. Compliance with treaties towards foreigners, ethnic solidarity. The list goes on and on.Another problem is that many emigrants have a completely illusionistic idea of the Western standard of living, which can only be disappointed here, and that they do not see our way of life in as brilliant and light as we do.
@@schurlbirkenbach1995 Where is your tolerance?
@@AprezaRenaldy Tolerance is only possible to a certain point. If I believe, a child should not be beaten to achieve better results in school, and my partner believes that, tolerance is not the solution. Maybe there is no solution.
Well, migration in Australia 50's,60's worked reasonably Italian, Greek, and English immigrants came to Australia with skills needed & enriched Australia. Bringing immigrants with little or no skills relying on Centrelink payments government housing long term is just ridiculous. We already have Australian born population waiting many years in these conditions, some of which are also choosy on their employment choices. The taxes are rising for all.
The failure of Brexit has shown that greedy business owners are reliant upon cheap non-UK labour to plug their employment gaps and generate greater profits thus providing shareholder dividends and directors bonuses. Now that labour market has gone, they need to look at other ways to find a workforce and uninvited guests arriving daily upon our shores are seen as the answer to their prayers.
It depends on what is meant by "multiculturalism." If its meaning translates into moral pluralism, THIS can be a problem.
Sweden ???...You mean Somalianland ;...where almost every body look like the Ancent Egyptians /or the Brazilians from the "Favellas"😠
Konstantin nailed it with that very "proper" distinction - multi-ethnic as opposed to multi-cultural. Multi ethnic in origin but in an over-riding monocultural society, in accordance with the that society's culture. But, of course, in a country lead by weak politicians so water-logged in wokedom as here in the UK, any culture which wants to muscle in and, effectively, invade and conquer is perfectly at liberty to do so, without the need for arms. Democracy comes down to votes and if you have the numbers, you can take over that country.
History has shown obsession about the superiority of one's culture leads down disastrous paths.
As an Englishman, I can see the massive influences from foreign cultures through history that led to some of our greatest achievements.
Our language, hugely influenced.
Our sea-faring skills, hugely influenced.
Our leadership, hugely influenced.
Let's not even get started on things like music and food...
Those who fail to recognise the impact of other cultures positively are simply sheep parroting the msm lines. Learn about history, or even just look around you, and it dispels this childishly reductionist analysis that "multi-culturalism bad".
Kisin - very good at talking and makes a career of it, but as he says - 'you want to be this or that - fine'. Which sounds all very reasonable - but is he providing a solution or way ahead? Nope, not a sausage, he's just re-iterating what some of us - often those who have matured and travelled widely already know - en-masse multiculturalism (read multi ethnic populations) has been tried for millennia worldwide and has ALWAYS led to envy, hatred and eventually strife. Cannot we recognise this, at last, for the benefit of all concerned and work instead in cooperation and trade as best we can?
My personal opinion is the failure of multiculturalism as a result of some individuals all over the world may come in Australia illegally either by boat or by any other illegal ways wanting to share the Australian society in everything belong to the Australian society, but in fact they do not want the Australian society to share with them their own things. typical to those do not want to pay the right tax and those intend to act against the Australian society in drug trafficking, money laundry, and many other illegal things can destroy the Australian society at all times.
Barbara Spectre said that unless the nation except multicultural they will have sanctions
In theory, no. But that's based under the assumption that every culture doesn't have the doctrine "We are only happy if these people don't exist at all."
Birds of a feather flock together. Water and oil don't mix etc. etc.
This made me realise that my country South Africa is a multicultural state trying to be a multiethnic state 🤔
The myth of multiculturalism.
Culture is a response to environment and it is not static, it is in a constant state of change. If you change the environment the culture changes automatically. People who move to a new country can not bring their old culture with them because changing their environment automatically produces cultural change. But as they establish themselves in a new location they change the existing culture in the new location simply by being there i.e.: by changing the environment.
For these reasons the whole idea of multiculturalism is nonsense.
We need to get on with building a better society here and now and although we should respect the history of all of the people in our society this does not justify using "Multiculturalism" as a proper reason for anything.
3:50 Correct, we need monoculturalism, but not in the way you define it.
4:02 You were so close, but you missed. That overarching identity is *not* British! The identity that we must prioritize is not that of one nation, religion, ethnicity etc. We must prioritize the *human* identity! Can't you see it? Your national identities are the *problem.*
Diversity ≠ Division. A lack of acceptance of diversity is division. The prioritization of any subgroup identity above the human identity is the cause of the lack of acceptance of diversity!
All of the countries that created modern Western civilization have - or at least had - strong national identities. In fact, the European countries that left-wingers generally hold up as the ideal societies are mostly Scandinavian monoracial monocultures.
The push toward multiculturalism and open borders has created nothing but misery in the West. It was forced on us mostly by a bunch of millionaires and billionaires who think low and middle income first world people have too much compared to people in the second and third worlds. The hypocrisy of these academic and business eiltes is staggering.
Multiculturalism means no cultural....
Participant multiculturalism might be a useful way of describing this. People keep their cultural heritage but primarily participate in the overarching culture of the country they are in - for their greater benefit and everyone else's.
I knew this 20 years ago ! And every one said to me why not , well now look .
USA is or at least was the best example for his statement!
The USA is stuffed
Multiculturalism has failed miserably in Australia we had a better system in place 60 years ago and it should be the same today.
Countries do not need immigrants who want a free meal ticket....they need skilled workers who will make the country better off...not worse.
Some of these other cultures may never assimilate. So we end up with people inside of our borders that want to change everything that makes us great. So its literally an invasion from a foreign power
#monoculturalism vs #MultipleCultures #competition #Prosperity #WestWastheBest #force #violence #threats #voluntaryism
Yes yes yes
Maybe she should stand for PM
America was built on it