How to Make a Bahamian Mooring | Sailing Wisdom Ep 68
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Announcement: Herby pronounces Bahamian wrong throughout the entire video. So anyway, this episode shows us demonstrating how we set up our Mooring in preparation for traveling to Charlotte, NC for Thanksgiving. Be sure to watch until the end for a special little piece of footage that involves large amounts of embarrassment for Maddie.
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Great anchoring/mooring tutorial. Never thought of doing it that way but will try it in the future. Makes a lot of sense. The only issue would be the worry of other fouling your rode in tight areas. Some small fenders or bleach bottles attached to the line would help mark them.
Yes, wondering the same, if you could put markets on chords that float. Although snagging prevention is key.
Cool setup, looks like a 3/4 prusik knot. Very well presented videos too, well watchable.
I love your explanations. I'm a sailor too and I'm glad your putting this for other people. And refreshers don't hurt either!
It makes me happy that you’re benefiting from these videos!! Thanks for your positive comments 😊
Another option is to take a snatch block, clip this to the chain, or attach with a carabiner/Dyneema set up, and then to take the kedge cable through this and secure to a cleat on deck.
The block will allow the cable to ride up and down, once you have lowered the bower cable so the connection point is below the keel (ideally on the bottom) which will reduce the chance of fouling both your keel and other boats props/keels etc.
+Terry Baker I like this idea! It sounds much easier to setup and adjust.
Thanks Maddie
My concern is the water depth. A 6 foot keel swinging around in 7 or 8 foot of water most likely will snag the rope anchor line. I have used that system in 20 feet of water but never in shallow water. I used 2 anchors connected by 80 feet of chain. Then dove down to fasten the main anchor line somewhere between the two anchors. That way I can visually check the anchor set. Great explanation thanks.
I would probably put floats to mark each anchor. Might need to find your anchors if by chance someone sets an anchor near yours and snatches your rode, moves your anchor (s) etc.
+Carleton Scully probably will put floats on them in the future. It will also make retrieval and status updates easier too. I think we will be investing in some crab trap type floats soon before we make our next mooring.
If we build a mooring for leaving the boat over Christmas, we will set many anchors and floats will make the entire process easier to manage.
A float attached to an anchor is a great way tangle up a passing dinghy in the dark. We've actually heard of people being thrown from the dink this way. Untangling a float from your dinghy prop isn't fun, but having your sailboat prop suddenly tied to someone's anchor and chain is a recipe for disaster -- for both parties. Tying a crab pot float to your anchor is a great way of getting your anchor unset by a crabber. Anchor floats are just a bad idea all around.
Sailing Tranquility Bay , you can also just put a light on the float
TFS that's a good way to insure that your boat always presents itself to the wind. You can sleep at night not worrying if your mooring is holding and the anchors are not dragging. And you don't have to carry a mooring ball with you. You get the satisfaction of knowing that you have two anchors holding the boat at all times and the boat can still swing 360 degrees to the changing wind conditions.
Makes me appreciate my trimaran with an 18" draft with the board up. However, that does deprive me of developing the skills you're using.
NIce to actually see this done. Like you I have read about it and would use this in the future but seeing you do it helps a lot. Having a small buoy marker on each anchor would really make this easy to see I think. I look forward to seeing how it works and how you retrieve this system on return
You're so right! We'll definitely put floats next time.
Rigging Doctor on the floats put a light on it so people can see it at night
If you did it would 3 anchors, you can add a big swivel where they join, then drop it down a few feet to hang just above the bottom at no wind state. Then add a small bridle/snubber line to port and starboard cleats or use a Mantus Bridle with chain hook maybe?
+Snake Plisken this is our plan if we can't find a reasonably priced marina when we come home for Christmas! We have 4 anchors and a bunch of rode.
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Great video it's always a joy to watch!
Good job on anchor class. Most people are visible learners. So drawing was great addition.
Wow it's like reading a instruction manual..great HAHA joke.......along with great instructors verbal Herbie and Artie Maddie....just hope you two weren't late for thanksgiving with all this preparation. Thanks for the food demo...what... not eating the ginger and wasabi?
I know this video is old, but I just ran across it. You guys were in the marina area right where we bought our boat, and at the same time we did our sea trial. Would have been so cool to meet you back then. Oh well, maybe someday in the future instead. Great video as all your videos are.
We love Oriental!
If you are in the area in a few years, we will be passing through again ;)
Man Herbie! How'd you get to be so smart! I learned a lot from this one. If I was planning to sail into the great unknown I'd definitely want you on board! Wasup with those fancy red pants, very cool..... Hope you two
had a great Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the picture, it did help
I learned a new hitch!!!!! Awesome explanation, I haven't been anchoring like that...I do the lazy way...not anymore. There is also the two anchors on one chain thing. Though you have to be careful doing that because a lot of people hook the second anchor directly to the first in an inappropriate manner. Sailing Brittican did that improperly and their grapnel gave out during the hurricane because they hooked it to the retrieval hole on the delta style anchor they had....so the primary anchor never did bite Now they are sour on the method altogether! Usually you need a short length of chain on the primary chain to do that right for the primary anchor, then the one farthest out, the secondary, it is just hooked to the main chain.
+Allyn Onderdonk the only anchor that I know of that comes designed for tandem use is the rocna. I much prefer to use a single massive and unwieldy anchor instead of setting multiple anchors in tandem. I just worry that in a current reversal, the anchors would foul on each other and drag.
The Magnus hitch is my favorite for such uses, glad you liked it!
+Allyn Onderdonk also, thanks for the charger, we used it a lot today :)
No problem...I'm glad I had something that could help you two out!
I hope baby and mama and daddy are all doing well!
Indeed we are!! Every day we learn something new :)
@@RiggingDoctor I think it may be a little early for the baby to learn rigging no??? :-D
Any concerns of ripe road getting to close to the surface where it could foul an another boat propeller? Thanks
Just have to make sure that the catenary drops below the keel or it's all going to get tangled :-(
Great video guys. Could this be done with all rope anchor rode?
Yes, but you do need to worry about what’s on the bottom and can it saw through your rope rode
Loved it! Thank you
Nice explanation! My only concern is passing boats not running over either of my rodes. How do you insure that doesn't happen?! PEACE OUT!
+onthebeaches1 we pray. I thought about marking them, but worried that someone might pull it up to see what was down there.
When we retrieved the fortress, it was run under another boats keel and luckily was not fouled in his anchor,
We had an FX-37 and a 43 ft Hatteras. It held in 50 mph wind. Like you I wouldnt trust it to reset, but gee, that thing would dig in deep. I was going to call China to cut me loose. I cant imagine trying to pull it up without a windlass.
ha.. I shoulda watched the whole video... you answered my question
Maddie, it's a good thing you didn't put more wasabe on that huge bite of sushi or you might have really been embarrassed! Ha ha, too funny!
Haha oh lord. NICE PIC by the way! 😜
Rigging Doctor Yeah, I love my new YT Avatar! I think it's great!
That's a very interesting set up👍
Just wondering how you are going with your controller?From my experience with controllers,when people persist on using the machine whatever it might be once the voltage has dropped too low,the current draw rises substantially and burns the controller.I don't mean to try and tell you stuff you might already know,but I'm sure you don't want this reoccurring,and if my advise is helpful to you,than it's a win for you.Good luck with it all😊
+Wayne Doeblin I was not aware of that and we have run the thing lower than it should. We docked the boat with a peasly 6% charge. We are aware that less than 40% will wreck the batteries but the motor is a tool and we needed it that time. With the generator on board, we can avoid these deep discharges and we will be sure to so we don't run into this again :)
Rigging Doctor ,I’m glad I decided to talk to you,sometimes I just shut my mouth so I don’t annoy people,but you seem approachable,and wanting to learn what you can.Enjoying your channel,all the best👍😊
How could I do this when both of my roads are line? I only have chain for 3 meters to anchor
You could tie the second one to the first one with a hitch knot
Doc I’m concerned from your explanation you may be loading your Magnus hitch backwards; the “pinch” of the line should be over the two round turns, not the single last hitch.
+Will Moizer yes, I am loading the knot backwards. In Ashley's Book of Knots the rolling hitch ver. 1 & 2 and the Magnus Hitch (1734, 1735, & 1736) they are to be loaded in the direction you state otherwise they will deform.
I have found that the Magnus hitch (ABOK #1736) slides under high load in this direction but will deform and pinch the line when pulled in the "wrong" direction. This gives it much greater holding power as a hitch knot, but it doesn't look pretty in the process.
Interesting; can't argue with experience! Perhaps it has to do with a large line onto chain? I moor my catamaran to a nylon rode using a rolling hitch from bridle to rode, but use a smaller diameter braided line for the hitch. Has never slipped an inch (the main rode is of course backed up just in case). Thanks for the reply Doc.
Rigging Doctor , I have that book and thanks for the pages number will now have to look it up
Hello... Here is my concern. We primarily boat in the Neuse and have been to Oriental dozens of times by boat. That is a very small anchorage. How can you justify taking up a 200+ foot circle in such tight quarters? Many boats anchor there and (as noted that you don’t have markers over your anchors) it would be very easy for another visiting boat to cross or hook your rode. It is one thing if you were onboard during your tie, but you left your boat there and left for the holiday.
+Adventures Of Skinny Dippin’ one of the advantages of a Bahamian Mooring is you will limit how much you swing, making it easier for others to anchor close by.
As for not marking the anchors, we thought about it and decided against it, but feel that we will mark them the next time we do it.
My reasoning for not marking them was based on a dilemma I heard about when I was a small child. The US was looking at storing its nuclear waste in giant salt mines very deep below the surface. The mines were chosen because they were slowly collapsing and would seal themselves up in a period of decades, completely sealing themselves off from the world in a century as the waste took its time to decay.
The part that struck me was the discussion about how to label the area. If you put a warning sign, what language should it be in? The waste would be toxic for thousands of years and if future people couldn't read it, they might start digging to see what it was. The final decision was to not label it at all and hope that the waste would simply never be found.
I know that anchors and moorings are not the same as nuclear waste, but we had been there for a few weeks and found that no one was anchoring in that area. They all seemed to anchor next to us in a neat line. We decided to run the anchor out to the north and set it on the bottom, with no marker and hoped that no one would find it there while we were away. It is a small harbor, but our anchor is tiny and we hedged our bets that no one would find it on the bottom.
"one of the advantages of a Bahamian Mooring is you will limit how much you swing, making it easier for others to anchor close by."
Fair enough. I know it isn't high season there right now (or back then). I have never seen, only read about, moorings like that. And TBH, Oriental is so protected that you were really killing a fly with a bazooka by putting out such a complex rig. I was, however, struck by the comment that you had 100' of chain out one direction and more than 100' of line out the other way, thus my 200' diameter concern. Even if you don't swing throughout the entire way, the line is still there and could have posed a problem. Granted, out to the north from there IS water that is mostly too shallow for most boats to anchor in comfortably, so you did have that going for you. Still, that much tackle out in that small of a space was just what fueled the comment.
Thanks for the reply. Are y'all still there? It's hard to tell in the Anchorage Cam if that is you guys. :)
+Adventures Of Skinny Dippin’ we left about 10 days ago. We loved the anchor cam! While we were away, I would check it every morning to make sure we were still sitting there.
It was a combination of the anchor cam, the protection, and the mooring that made us feel safe leaving the boat as we went away.
The main reason we set up the mooring is we were dangerously close to the channel with the shrimp boats and I worried about dragging and drifting into their channel. With the mooring, we were unable to swing into the channel and the anchors would never need to turn and reset in a wind.
We certainly will mark the anchors next time though.
I would like to ask one more question about the mooring. when the boat swings around the two anchors, what prevents the keel from catching either of the lines?
Adventures Of Skinny Dippin’ i read you need to put a weight right where you attach the two anchor rodes to weigh down the lines. So when you swing your keel will avoid the lines.
Great video guys but you are tying your rolling hitches backwards. Probably OK on a chain but rope to rope it will slip!
It’s not a rolling hitch, it’s a Magnus hitch.
The direction in these knots is very important, as both are directional ;)
@@RiggingDoctor OK so I see the subtle difference now. Just to be clear - are you saying that the magnus hitch should have the load pulling away from the double hitch end as opposed to the rolling hitch where the load should be applied towards them?
Guys what type/brand of dinghy is that? I am looking for a dinghy to deflate and store in small space.
The brand is Solstice, we bought it at West Marine years ago and it’s held up ok over the years.
@@RiggingDoctor thanks guys
Wow! Doc, where do you learn all this? : )
+Andy Yoon lots of reading :)
nice
is that the same as a rolling hitch? Never heard it called a magnus hitch
Sailing Contigo , I was thinking that to
What make is your windvane
Monitor. We love it
So far you have completely lost me in this video.