Domestic abuse: could the system have done more to protect this woman?
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2024
- "We are not doing enough to protect the 2 million victims of domestic violence across the UK". A stark admission from the most senior police lead on domestic abuse.
The government insists forces treat it on a par with terrorism, but Assistant Commissioner Louisa Rolfe accepts "if there were two million victims of terrorism, they would be getting a very different response".
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She says charge and conviction rates, at just six and five per cent, are unacceptably low and is pledging radical reform with a new joint justice plan with the Crown Prosecution Service due this spring.
In the latest in our series on domestic violence, the harrowing story of one woman who believes faster action by the police could have saved her from life-changing harm.
A Home Office spokesperson told us:
“Information should be released at the earliest possible opportunity that does not put a potential victim at risk and we are working with police to improve the scheme’s implementation.”
You may find this report distressing.
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This is so sad hoping for justice and healing for the victims.
We have all lost faith in Britain 👎🇬🇧
Right
The system doesn't protect victims
Right
My Mum lost her life because of domestic violence, I have a special hatred for men whom hit women, or anyone whom perpetrates domestic abuse. They repulse me!!!
My daughter lives with domestic violence she won't leave what should I do
@@albyj5522 Make a third party report to the police and safeguarding teams. If you call 101 and report him, they'll go out and see your daughter under the guise of welfare checks. If she's known already to the DV teams, same as my Mum was, believe me, it's very difficult. They tried their level best to make her see sense, but she just wouldn't accept what was being said. Support your daughter best you can, be there if she needs you, and more importantly, don't blame her ever. That's what those sadistic monsters want, ie cause division and separate their victims from their loved ones.
If you really cared , you would legalize pepper spray !
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Can you name the perpetrator ?
of course tory cuts is making abuse easier and easier as all the charities and services have been destroyed.. cos RISHI and co love the UK so very very much
In the United kingdom you cant even keep a can of pepper spray in your own home. If you cant be safe in your own home you cant be safe anywhere ! 🇺🇲
Right sad but true
There is not system in this country. Few weeks ago a man was harrassing me and I called 999 and the police said its not emergency, they will come after some time.
This is fucking predictable
How were you being harassed exactly?
@@maigepresents5840 Street harrassment is actually perfectly legal in this country. That is not a remotely uncommon response from the police even when dealing with actual crimes (street harrassment should be a crime but it isn't) people have been campaigning got it to become a crime for a long time.
@@mariannehavisham8323 sounds like a problem for the govt to solve... the police can't act on powers they don't have...
@@mariannehavisham8323 sad
Av been getting stalked and the police are doing nothing !! They don't care I dint feel safe in my own home the bloke attacked d my neighbour !!
Yes! But every time they go 'Oops' & fail the next one!
I think it'd be very hard, almost impossible for any law enforcement agency ie police to embark on primary preventing of DV, that's asking them to be clairvoyant; they clearly need to work better for secondary prevention.
That being said, I do not believe the system failed Roxy, it's an ethical argument of effective v efficient.
But we must also bear in mind that while women (Roxy) have no control over 'intended crime', the western (or any) society needs to start orientating women of taking responsibility or conscious decision-making during perceived threats like the type Roxy just faced.
Roxy recalling the police to not show up is evident of her sense of judgement.
Could the police (& law) have adviced (required with law) Roxy to not have contact with the perpetrator (an harasser) pending further information are disclosed, yes, but this also falls within the bracket of common sense.
Should Roxy have pressed for harassment charges, definitely, but based on her discretion, she didn't.
Did she do everything within her ability to protect herself, so we can blame the system?
I refuse to answer with a yes/no, but put your answer there.
My point is this; even if there be a flawless system of policing & justice, self-suffiency of victims (per situation) should not be downplayed, just because they're victims.
By nature, even in wildlife, you're first responsible for your protection/life, before your group, herd, comes in to defend you.
I feel for Roxy tho, she needs help with her esteem badly.
This is so sad. 😢😔
Fully agree.
Nothing about this story suprises me.. this is depressingly familiar
Same
@@mp71001 hugs
Smearing dog phecieas around the house ?
That took a side ways turn.
An she still maintained contact after that happened.
She needs an emergency IQ test.
Also, you mean faeces.
@@naomi5495 yup. Thanks diction kid. My hero
You’re most welcome. Kindly take a second to consider it properly and reword your thoughts. Clearly a woman who needed someone else to tell her she had been raped, is vulnerable. What you actually want to say is, f*** the tories for scrapping adult social care (and psychiatric care, and etc) to the point that the police force is left with the impossible job of picking up the pieces.
@@naomi5495 I think the psychiatric 'care' is now been deployed to labotomise Brexit voters so they can undermine it without resistance.
That's manipulation and gaslighting for you and preying upon a vulnerable adult. No need to victim blame. His behaviour is not her fault
The guy suggesting the iq test is the guy who can't spell -fabulous!
The evil system sucks .
Facebook needs to be banned for life
@@kanesalthousekane-2171slaves of uk should be banned to travel abroad because they are dangerous for freedom and democracy of Europe
@@kanesalthousekane-2171
British should be banned from Europe because they're dangerous for European freedom and democracy
The system isn't here to hold your hand. Be an adult
Better off alone
gut wretching
commissioner is bullshitting and clearly hiding something.
Nothing ever changes….not really
I hope this lady gets access to therapeutic support. She will have a lot to work through such as why did she continue with him after he smeared dog mess round her home. 🤔
The implication is that women arent being protected. All of us are unsafe with this criminal justice system. Not just women
Totally agree we have to keep ourselves safe domestic abuse is a dreadful thing so much of this going on men are also victims of it as well
Yeah it’s both sides women and men go through this the diffence is most men going through it are affaird to say anything or speak up due to being a male
This is white lives matter/all lives matter/not all men all over again! Fuck's sake!
Women aren't being protected! Nobody said just women but disproportionately women is the reality
Name and shame hm online,
So you met a stranger in your house......
Clearly a vulnerable person let down by increasingly nonexistent social care services.
@@naomi5495 or a person allowing someone into their house and instead of taking ownership of their mistake, they blame everyone else
@@markc6714 There are people with learning disabilities that can’t reason like some of us. They are still citizens and they still deserve the protection of the law.
@@jujutrini8412 and you expect the law to be able to read peoples mind and turn up to help them without having any knowledge of what is happening
@@naomi5495Vulnerable though she may be, it is not known whether she was in contact with social care. Only the police is mentioned here.
She came across as needy and with low self esteem and it appeared that she first met him in her home. Clearly the control started on line from day one.
When a person shows you who they are………….”believe them the first time”. No second chances.
The problem is a lot of these abusers love bomb and basically trick potential/partners into believing that’s who they are, and when they show their true colours, it’s confusing, and they promise it won’t happen again and say sorry, and they were so sweet until then, they can be sweet again. They’ll forgive them because it’s the first time, then the second times it’s their partner’s fault because they made them like that, they’re not that angry person. We can go back to how it was in the beginning. If only it was so straightforward
@@rosenaquaBut women need to learn this adage. It will save them a lot of bother and heartache.
COULD it have?
Surely it's not something to be questioned, they undoubtedly SHOULD HAVE DONE!
If she chose to tell the police not to come initially & close the investigation, then how is it their fault?
A lot of the time victims do retract their statements out of fear of further abuse or relatiation or simply due to coercion by their abuser - the police should understand that this is a common pattern and be able to recognise this. At that point, they had enough information whereby they could have looked into his background and disclosed any relevant info to keep her safe. Hope this helps to answer your question.
In cases like this the woman has to be proactive and Im sorry to point it out but she needs to take responsibility for her life. It makes no sense to say that she secretly hoped the police would go ahead and investigate him further because of what she had told them. Thats lunacy. You meet a man like that and you run for the hills. What you don’t do is go back for more.
Exactly! This womwn needs to work on her self worth.
Abusers target specific women for many reasons. However, blaming the victim is a very old construct that further enables the abuser. This has been a problem for thousands of years. Laws are not strong enough to deter the cowards who think they are real men because they constantly abuse their partners and often their own children. Until the legal system is ready to give harsh penalties for such behavior, it will continue.
Disgusted!
Only someone who hasn't experienced this would say such a thing. It just shows how little you understand the issue. Manipulation, coercive control, true predators, someone who has never been vulnerable has trouble understanding the vulnerable.. this judgement only shows a lack of empathy and insight and understanding of the issues on your part and says nothing about her
She took responsibility. She called the police and is now taking the matter to court and using her voice to raise awareness about a little understood problem
It makes perfect sense to hope the police do their job!
I don’t agree but pray she finds justice and healing
can we start defending and promoting the men for once please?
'Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.' - NCBI
What is NCBI?
@@jujutrini8412National Centre for Biotechnology Information. These are American statistics, although I'd imagine British statistics are somewhat similar.
@@freakylocz14 What has Biotechnology got to do with domestic violence? I am not going to blindly trust their statistics on this issue unless I know the ins and outs of how they compiled these figures and from whence they got their information. A woman is killed by a man every three days in the UK according to ONS which is the official statistics. There is a huge discrepancy in how many women are murdered by men and how many men are murdered by women.
I do not depend on "the system" for my safety and neither should you.
I think it would be a full time job to save this woman from dangerous situations she puts her self in.
Obviously this is a despicable character who has exploited her. Probably because of her unassertive and submissive nature.
As a police officer I would struggle to make sense of her actions. It's not a consistent account.
The police officers have to bear in mind that there are deviant women who ask for extreme sexual behaviour like choking ext then later recount the encounter as an abusive situation. Not all women are sincere.
To continue contact after an aggressive rape is utterly bizarre.
You are ridiculous. Maybe there is some level of mental illness you are not accounting for. Stop victim-blaming. You sound insane.
She did not contact him after being raped, he harassed her. You’re mistaken and I don’t think you’ve fully considered the implications here. There is increasingly no support for vulnerable people in the community so many people who need looking after are just left to fend for themselves. I have no idea if this is something that applies to this victim but vulnerable people are deserve to be protected. Preferably with social care, before things like this happen.
@@naomi5495sure it specifically stated carried on messaging emailing. With the best will in the world you can't protect people from this kind of situation. The cost would be staggering.
God, no wonder the police are in such a state! If you are a police officer as you claim I am DEEPLY concerned.. your statement about maintaining contact after rape shows how little you understand about trauma and vulnerability -it's not uncommon
And the other things you said are beyond concerning.. I hope to God you are not a police officer! I fear for the vulnerable women you will work with with your lack of understanding, judgement and poorly chosen words
@@paulgibbons2320 what is the law for then?
how stupid is she letting this guy back in get a gun protect yourself ffs i just cant wrap my mind around some people lol
So she was a naive silly school girl, not once, not twice but three times. Huh! What did she expect?
Victim shaming! Great! Less of the patronising tone! She's a woman not a school girl and this has nothing to do with her and everything to do with the perpetrator
Sorry but the police was acting awesome.
Not their fault she told them multiple times she doesn’t want their help…
As long as domestic abuse is imported en masse, those in law enforcement will be too cowardly to face it. Just ask the children of Rotherham…or Telford…or Oxford…
You think the only domestic abusers in the UK are not from here? There’s always been wife batterers and the like on these shores.
woke channel.
Woke channel to a dumbass.
Coz they report on dv?
@@mariannehavisham8323 what do you mean dv?
@@ZuluWarrior3 it's short for domestic violence
Correct 👍
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