Motorcycle Prices in the USA vs Europe
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Time Stamps:
0:00: Intro
1:0: Carbs vs Fuel Injection
3:44: What Happened to the Classic Motorcycle Market
7:57: £2,179 for a brand new 125cc cruiser (Lexmoto Michigan)
11:11: The Triumph Speed 400: £3,731 in the USA, and £5,200 in the UK (Triumph T100, Harley Davidson Softail Standard)
13:37: Classic Kawasaki Prices in France and the USA (Kawasaki KZ1100 and Kawasaki Z1000)
15:14: Two Stroke Motorcycles Holding Their Value (Yamaha RD350LC)
18:42: Converting Tubed rims to tubeless (Triumph T120)
22:42: Ducati Darmah
25:30: Bike of the Week (Kawasaki Z650RS)
Does the US price include Tax, Reg and dealer fees?
I’ll pin this comment, because I’d love to hear some response to this
No, it definitely doesn’t. You’ll have the list price, which is the fee you see advertised. Then you’ll have a state sales tax, usually around 7% of list value, a documentation fee of $200-$300, a freight / dealer prep fee of $500 - $900 depending on how you negotiate. So, a bike advertised at $5,999 in the us market will usually end totaling closer to $7,300 at the close of the deal. I’m not sure if the same is true in Europe, which in my opinion Europeans seem to be more direct, but here in the US, dealers are very dodgy.
Not on the US manufacturer website they won’t. States set sales tax individually plus there are other costs like destination fees. But goods in general are cheaper in the US - much bigger/richer market.
This has been touched upon, but the non-negotiable destination/shipping fee/charge is a mandatory undisclosed part of every transportation appliance transaction in the US. I'm having trouble working looking up Triumph USA's fee, but the forums presume $599-650. By contrast, CFMoto is a flat $349, and Honda can range from $249 on the Navi to $2499 on the Gold Wing Rockefeller edition.
@@ComfyDadShoes In the UK, the price listed on the manufacturer's website is normally what you would pay to ride it away from the dealer. Sometimes less if they give you a discount.
I would rather have fuel injection . To balance the carbs on a four cylinder bike is too tedious a job for me . 🆒😎👍🏻👍🏻
GET A LIFE FOR GOD SAKE
Hi Freddie! I’ve been in the motor trade 50-odd years, and motorcycling about the same. It’s all a learning curve, and if you’re willing to learn, that’s the main thing. Keep up the good work. Love the videos. You’re entitled to your opinions, and so be it. 😊
Mr. Dobbs, Do not be discouraged by negative personal attacks. It takes no courage for someone to sit at a computer and disparage another. Having worked on carburetor motorcycles since 1959, I can tell you that they can sometimes be frustrating to work on. Sometimes not. To disparage someone over gasoline/air ratios is silly and not nice. It is best to view people as to whether they would be a good neighbor. I would be happy to have you as a neighbor. To the people that attack on such minor issues: I would not. Richard in Virginia, USA.
That’s extremely kind of you to say so, thank you Richard!
Disagreeing with someone isn't a "personal attack" No more than agreeing with someone is a "bootlicker".
@@rustyblade5845 Disagreeing with venom hurts. Disagreeing with respect has no sting. With respect, Richard
USA bike prices are usually not OTR prices. You will have shipping charges, tax charges, registration charges, dealers charges etc etc, price them up and see the difference, I suspect it may not be as much as you think.
YOU ARE NOT ONE INCH PATHETIC YOUNG MAN YOU ARE A ONE OFF !!! AND VERY MATURE PROBABLY STRONGER THAN MOST WATCHING NO MORE TO BE SAID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freddie keep up the good work condemning the carb. More cheap carbed bikes for us.
When I was young I could balance carbs. Now I'm old (er) I can't be bothered. I just wanna ride. Fuel injection and belt drive gives that. Stay free 👍🤘
Freddie, the reason most normal dealerships don't want to repair carbs is because the mechanic/tech would rather just swap-out a piece of electornics than dissassemble, clean and repair and refit/balance carbs -- it's just easier for them so you can't blame them for not wanting to know. Saying that, although carbs can be frustrating it really isn't that hard to repair/service them, if you like that kind of thing of course.
US bikes are quoted ex sales tax, dealer markup and otr charges. UK sales include VAT, dealer markup and usually otr charges.
Ahh thank you god this!
Never owned a fuel injected motorcycle.
I always use super unleaded at all times.
And I run the bike every week for at least ten minutes. Hence never had any problems with carburettors.
Touch wood .
Interesting- I wasn’t sure if simply running the bike at idle (as opposed to a decent length ride) would be enough. Thanks for sharing🙌🏻
The Tracer 900 I have is my 1st injection bike, I have always had carb bikes and never had to set the carbs up
Hi Freddie, great episode as always! A message to the guy with the Bed Ekins T120,and anyone with tubes tyres. Back in the day, I carried and successfully used, a couple of times, a can of Holts Tyre Weld, which you spray into the tube through the valve. It will get you home and possibly last until you can replace the tube, so not a problem. It's a temporary fix but I never left home without one and probably costs about ten to fifteen quid these days!
Well Freddie, from listening to the opening minutes of your video, I would suggest that anyone who thinks you're 'pathetic', because of your possible fear of carbs, is in fact a little pathetic, themselves. I've been a mechanical design engineer for more than 4 decades and have a fair knowledge of a lot of things mechanical with lots of practical experience too but probably the most valuable knowledge I have is that I don't know it all. We all have our strengths and weaknesses but as long as you enjoy your motorcycles, that is, without doubt, the main thing. Personally, I find your videos very entertaining and admire your presentation skills so keep them coming my friend 👍All the best, Phil (Somerset)
New fuel systems work.
See how you get on with limited lifespan tech junk.
I'd trust a 40 year old carburettor over a 20 year old EFi.
Wouldn't swap my 25 year old Harley for a new one.
I have no issues with working on 4 carbs but they were always something not many people were good with.
Ironically I wouldn't swap my Honda NC750X for *any* Harley.
I love how you are always able to read out negative/angry comments with a laugh. An admirable quality
z 650 rs can be had brand new for £5849 @ bolton motorcycles uk so its only lost £1200
Anyone who used to own an RD 350 LC will remember the sheer exhilaration of hitting the power band, there was just no feeling like it! With that, combined with great handling and that unmistakable 2 stroke smell, it's no wonder that they are worth so much now!
Can I put a spanner in the works by saying a good push bike new these days cost over 5K ??? Yep it does and if in doubt go and have a look I am not talking Halfords best I am talking serious biking with pedals and perhaps a bat or two !!
Hey Freddie lovers gonna love haters gonna hate lol don't let em get ya down.🎉😊We all come from different walks of life experiences and backgrounds.
It’s 2024, not 1954. A road only bike should not be sold with tubed rims. They’re a death trap if you get a puncture at higher road speeds as the tube tends to deflate much more rapidly. I’ve had this happen to me and it was, shall we say, “interesting”! Fine for off-road as you may dent the rim and cause a tubeless tyre to lose inflation, and are usually going much slower, but pointless for the road. Triumph seems more interested in cheapening the spec, removing standard parts and hiking prices with their modern classics.
Hey Freddie I am honestly really impressed by how you handled the negative comments, it was a learning experience for me.
I AM SO SO ANGRYYYY !!HOW MANY OTHER MADONA YOU TUBERS ACTUALLY TELL YOU /SHOW YOU HOW THEIR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PUT DOWN ?????? ANSWER NONE OR LETS SAY A VERY VERY VERY FEW YOU MR DOBBS AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE ARE A ONE OFF AND I HOPE TO GOD YOUR CHANNEL GROWS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU AND YOUR LADY FRIEND HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MONEY NO MORE !!! MONICA THAT IS !
Hey Freddy. Love that you have maintained your enthusiasm and positivity no matter what the subject. Hi Monika!
Thanks very much, there’s nothing I’d rather be doing- love every second😃
Perhaps its a London thing. I live in the Waveney Valley on the Norfolk/Suffolk border which is ideal biking territory. Within 10 miles I know of (and have used) at least 6 places, all who are more than happy to work on any of my 7 bikes (5 with carbs & 2 x EFI) and all at reasonable price. Only one place has ever turned me away and wouldn't touch my GPZ500 because it had a fairing, and he'd given up doing any bike with a fairing. Ask around at any proper biker meet and you'll find any number of places which will do a good job at fair prices - mostly back street/industrial estate places usually with only 1 or 2 mechanics who really know their stuff. You don't get a huge flashy building or a fancy sounding name but then in the words of Shania Twain - That don't impress me much...
I converted my F 800 GS to tubeless following some youtube videos about 1 month ago. After 1500 km they haven't lost any air pressure. Reason for doing it is I will be on the road and off-road (TET) on my own from next year on for extended periods of time and having to deal with changing and fixing tubes is an unnecessary pain in the back side.
The work was pretty easy to do and with BMW there are plenty of different valve types to choose from. I also activated/added the BMW tyre pressure monitor system to the bike at the same time. If you want to have more details please get in touch.
It's interesting to listen to different points of view.....i wonder how many people commenting actually work on there's bikes or just pay someone else to get there hands dirty ......
I have two EFI bikes (VRSCA) (DL650) and one carbed (DR650). Even though my DR650 is my favorite bike ever, I still wish it were fuel injected. All versions of v-stroms fill my second most favorite bike slot. The carb neediness is annoying.
I had 3 tube bikescon the trot.
A roadside fix takes me at least 45minutes in good light without any real dramas.
The advantages are
They don't burp air out like tubeless when off road, a bent rim won't stop you ether, and they are usually cheaper when buying.
Tubeless suit most people better. Much easier fixes, much quicker too. Less repair kit to carry, and most don't ride gard enough to bang rims or burp air out.
I ended up using bikeseal tyre punctures prevention in the ebd.
A luquid originally used by nasa to seal astronauts suits in space.
Look at their videos. Its good stuff. Never had a oroblem when i used it. Gets you home so you can change yourvtube in comfort.
Ride safe 👍
At least you read it out with a smile on your face… all those up-to-date slurs in one email, impressive.
As a guy with a large collection of bikes from the 50s to modern day, i can tell you carbs are reliable and easy to set up when you know how BUT are a complete ball ache when left for any length of time, even when you follow all best practice with draining them down, running them dry etc. etc. That’s where fuel injection is a godsend, just put some new fuel in and turn the key. Yes, a failed FI unit will strand you, where those of us with the savvy will be able to sort our old fashioned carbs, but saying bikes will be obsolete is nonsense in itself. Convert them to a carb and away you go….
In Canada, while the MSRP is fairly consistent, the actual price of a motorcycle not only differs province to province, the way a dealership advertises their prices is regulated differently. For example, in Alberta there’s no provincial sales tax applied to vehicles, in Quebec all fees must be clearly included in the advertised price. It’s often freezing cold here too, but that’s another story . . .
Hi Freddie I won't mention the C word 😂 just a couple of thoughts, just because a bike is old doesn't make it a classic, certain models always will be true classics & command a premium some will come in & out of fashion which will be reflected in varying prices, if you buy anything that's been off the road for years, expect to do plenty of work to get it right.
Anyone can become a competent home mechanic, get a workshop manual some decent basic tools & watch you tube for tips, servicing your own bike is not only a cost saving, but very satisfying & a way of spoting any issues before they become major problems, the only work I have done in a bike shop is an MOT, another reason is lack of dealers I run a Moto Guzzi v85tt my nearest dealer is half a days ride away, my other main bike is a Triumph T140 if you have a shed or garage both of these machines are relatively easy to sort at home, having some understanding of the basics when it comes to running & servicing a motorcycle is the difference between being a biker & someone who rides motorcycles....
I’m on Freddie’s side with this argument
I’d take fuel injection any day of the week over carburettors.
So glad I found your channels! I’m coinvinced you’ll have 1million subs in no time 🤝
I had a similar process as Alan when I bought my Guzzi V7, I got a good deal on my Stone (cast wheels) but the tubed tyres were a con against for me getting the Special edition of the bike
Hi Freddie, on the subject of tubed v tubeless tyres, there are TWO major issues, the one you touched on being roadside repair but the MAJOR issue with tubed tyres and the reason I would NEVER buy a big bike (anything over 125cc) with tubed tyres is SAFETY! When you get a puncture with an inner tube it goes BANG and deflates instantly. Imagine that happening at 70mph in the outside lane on a motorway!!!! Doesn't bear thinking about. How triumph have the audacity to sell a new bike with spoked wheels and tubed tyres is nothing short of disgraceful and cost cutting of the worst type. BMW and Kawasaki for instance have tubeless tyres on all their spoked wheeled bikes so why aren't triumph doing it? Absolute disgrace and they're cost cutting at the potential price of taking someone's life in a blowout tyre situation! 😲😲😲 William
I had a rear puncture on the road on my DR650, punctured the tube and it was a slow leak, no issues. The shank of a pop rivet went through tyre and tube.
Depends how much of a perfectionist you are, but there’s no $$ reviving 40+ year old bikes. It’s a heart thing not head.😂
Nancy Boy😅 that was funny. If you want a classic bike that is EFI just buy any one of the air or air/oil cooled Moto Guzzi’s. I found a 2014 Norge 1200 sport touring bike with 4000 miles and rode it home from 500 miles away. My 82 year old friend wanted a classic styled bike with low CG and purchased a new V7 Classic SE with lots of chrome and spoke wheels. It air cooler and runs great.
I think the market for that 400cc market is a lot softer in the US. It's a little "bigger is better", a little less urban riding, and the joy of "riding a small bike to it's limits, rather than not fully test the limits of a bigger bike" is not as well known. There is a bit of a pejorative to bikes under 600cc's for the road. Not that I agree with it but it's there. As to the RD350, I don't remember that but there was a definite market for the 1985 RZ350 for a long time. My brother had one and people were always throwing numbers at him.
Hey Freddie. I recently changed to a fuel injected bike because new mechanics don't want or don't know how make them work properly. I also don't have a garage to do it myself. So I sold my 1995 Super Tenere 750 to get a newer bike.
My wife and I love your content. We are following your Tenerife's playlist at the moment.
Cheers.
Hay mate I give you FULL credit for putting up on your channel those that disagree with your opinion, It’s good 👍 that you “ take it with a grain of salt “ , your one off my favourite channels ( not because your an off road legend rider ) not saying I am by any means , but been doing it in AUS since around 10 . BUT your research, honesty and willing to learn and give stuff ago eg - Moto camping ⛺️. You don’t pretend to know it all and have that humility about yourself. Also you enjoy a good 👍 coffee ☕️ like myself.
Take care and keep up the great work .
Regards
Paul from Australia.
Well done maté Myself and Monica can come stay in my Holiday house in Noth Queensland ( near cairns ) and ride any time .
Regards
You’re a good bloke Freddy. Ignore the idiots. Thanks as always for informing, educating and entertaining me.
I’m just bored with carbs. I don’t care for them having grown up with them and spent far too many hours as a kid and in the army sorting out old POS carbs in vehicles older than myself. Not interested in any way. Give me EFI, ABS, tubeless and let me ride my bike in peace.
“But it doesn’t have soul!”
Once again, don’t much care. I like riding far more than I like the bike itself. I chose Japanese bikes for this very reason - I want an asset and not a maintenance liability. Not as flash as my buddy’s BMW or Ducati but I put two-three times as many miles on the Yamaha as they do. I can also do all of the maintenance it actually needs.
And in regards to US pricing…well, if you’ve never been there the entire VAT being added afterwards is quite the surprise first time. 1,99$ for a coffee? Try 2,17$ because of course that makes sense.
I’m just bored with carbs. I don’t care for them having grown up with them and spent far too many hours as a kid and in the army sorting out old POS carbs in vehicles older than myself. Not interested in any way. Give me EFI, ABS and let me ride my bike in peace.
“But it doesn’t have soul!”
Once again, don’t much care. I like riding far more than I like the bike itself. I chose Japanese bikes for this very reason - I want an asset and not a maintenance liability. Not as flash as my buddy’s BMW or Ducati but I put two-three times as many miles on the Yamaha as they do. I can also do all of the maintenance it actually needs.
And in regards to US pricing…well, if you’ve never been there the entire VAT being added afterwards is quite the surprise first time. 1,99$ for a coffee? Try 2,17$ because of course that makes sense.
Shipping from either India or Japan to America costs a lot less than to Britain, which affects the purchase price.
Some US models don’t have abs like their European counterparts.
I bought a Lexmoto 'Street 125' back in 2012 Freddie. Brand new it cost under £1,100. It took me all the the way to Ceret in the South of France on a trip I made with my brother on his Super Tenere 750. I did hold him back a little but the bike ran flawlessly during the trip. The only drawback was that on faster roads it got a bit hairy as I struggled to keep any distance between me and any huge lorries behind. Riding alongside the Pyrenees mountains though was amazing. I still have a picture of me sitting on this bike as my Facebook picture, which you are welcome to use. I used this bike for a few years to commute to work all year round during dry weather, instead of my car and it must have saved me its purchase price in fuel costs alone.
You should a comparionsn between Royal Enfield prices in India vs UK
But if you want a kicker - the Tuareg 660 is worth 22,000 USD pre tax in India and you get the Africa Twin 1100 for the same!
I have no problem having carburetor motorcycles. They have been around over a century. If you keep clean gas in them, they will run just fine, and you don't have all these electronic black boxes, electric fuel pump, fuel pump regulator, fuel injectors and ride by throttle to try and figure out when your bike won't run. When it's time to buy parts or take it to the dealer to have these new electronic bikes worked on, you are going to have to be ready for a wallet check. That's just the way things are today.
Freddie any zed after 1978 is not as collectable unless it's a Z1R the mag wheeled versions never seem to get great collectable prices
Tubes are generally better for off ride ( as in if you bend the rim tyre will still hold air ) actually what seems to be the go ( ADV and Dual sport bikes - obviously road bikes tubeless only I reckon ) as I was saying a lot of ADV riders will carry a front tube - with tubeless rims “ just incase you bend a rim predominately front . But most off road riders carry spare tubes . And the latest trend is tubed front but leave rear tubeless.
I haven't had a carburetted bike since 1999, but it's not like many people think. Once a carburettor is properly balanced, it requires very little maintenance and can run for ages without needing any attention. And if adjustments or tuning are needed, it's incredibly easy to do.
Freddie lad! Concerning tubed/tubeless. I had the same concern with my TransAlp before heading off to Spain this year. I managed 3000km with no punctures but I did carry a can of TyreWeld with me just in case. Lads at my dealer and a few folk online recommended carrying a can just in case. If you do get a puncture it’ll get you home or to a tyre shop.
Freddie, it would be great if you could find an owner of a Rd 250/350LC to interview and maybe get a shot of bike to experience the characteristics of the power band.
Freddie, I have a 2016 Africa Twin which came out with tubed tyres. I do a lot of riding in the open country here in South Africa and the thought of trying to fix a punctured rear wheel just filled me with dread. I did quite a bit of research and ended up converting my rear wheel to tubeless using a marine grade sealant and 3M's Extreme sealing tape. There are a few UA-cam videos of people that have done this. It's not difficult to do, I have done over 4000k's on all sorts of terrain and I've yet to lose air on it.
Most people don't buy classic bikes just to ride them, they usually have an interest in maintaining/restoring themselves. If you don't have the skills (or the the impetus to learn) then buying a modern classic and paying a modern mechanic money to look after it for you is the way to go. Personally I love spending time in the shed working on my old bikes and keeping them alive.
Honestly, insulting a person over a carburetor is absurd. I have a carbureted bike and I love it, but that doesn't mean I have to base my whole personality on that, FFS.
Anyways, back on topic, what I find criminal is that harley prices in the US are super high. Where do we have to sign to get them as cheap as they do in the States? 😂
Dont let this crap about carbs get to you Freddie. Absolutely love the channel and the content. Like everything carbs are simple if you understand how they work, but like anything they can still surprise you and become a nuisance at times. Huge pat on the back for how you have taken all this in stride. Keep up the great work Freddie. Love the reviews and travel videos. Best bike channel on youtube hands down. and nobody even comes close. Keep being yourself Freddie. 😊
Hey Freddie, another entertaining episode! Have you thought of adding a nice leather keyring to the Libertatia store? I'm sure they could be made of the same leather you use on the tool rolls. I've been looking for something unique that wont scratch the bike when in the ignition. Not sure if its worth your effort, but I'd bet you'd sell a good few to the many fans of the channel and brand...
Interested to hear about T120 tubeless conversion/rims was told by Central wheel components that a lot of people recommend to do the conversion that the 23/24 rears are not suitable for conversion?.
From what I have seen tubed wheels are mainly for off-road use and are recommend if you are doing trial rallying (for example the lands end trial) as with tyres levers they can be repaired roadside (Alan Reimann has some great guides on this YT channel).Traditionally wire wheeled bikes and car were tubed as air could leak through the spokes. Tubeless is now found in car and most road only bikes due to those vehicles having alloy wheels. The push bike market in the last 10 years has experienced a change from tubed to tubeless for weight saving and the ability to run lower pressures.
Put heavy duty tubes with "Ride On" in them. I did this on both my Transalp and T120 and have never had a flat.😎
The Triumph Speed 400 launched in India with an on the road price of £2,300. Brand new.
Fuel injection is by far the better system ….. until it or the chip goes wrong! Carbs are by far better unless you’re riding an R1 or similar.
I have a T120 and have converted the wheel rims to tubeless using the method shown on Delboys Garage.
It was easy to do and has not lost any pressure from either wheel.
As for people who say that you can repair a puncture in a tube at the side of the road all I can say is good luck with that!
Modern tyres are designed to be tubeless and are a damn sight stiffer than in the old days unless they are knobbly off road tyres which are much more pliable.
125cc bikes are retained for such short periods and are unlikely to make it to their first MOT but their cheap initial price means they sort of a reasonable proposition financially.
I learnt to ride and passed my test on a 25 bhp (de restricted) Yamaha tdr125 2 stroke, fun times 😀 (2001)
All jobs on bikes, cars and bicycles boil down to the same thing - experience. Any job is easy once you have done it a few times and you learn from mistakes you get to know what works and what doesnt. The problem with carbs is that each time you try something you have to put all the parts back and run the bike often for a good few miles. If the problem reoccurs you have to do it all again possibly replacing parts each time. It is just too time consuming for most people but probably not that technically difficult .
Carbs are no different to many other mechanical components you either can understand it and can fix it or you can not. Or in my case I’d rather open the garage start the fuel injection bike and ride and not have the hassle of carbs
Im still getting my full license here in Germany, but the tubed vs. tubeless debate has been on my mind since I started looking for my first bike. I have read about someone who rides his Tenere 700 all around the world on tubeless wheels with a spare set of tubes in the bag. So that in case he isnt able to plug a puncture, he can just throw in the tube and continue on. So that will probably be the way I'll go.
Your such a good sport Freddie, love your honesty and enthusiasm for the community
Freddy the market in America is not the same as in Europe the retail price in America is what the dealer buys it for on top of this you will pay local dealer charges and transport of the bike to the dealer and state taxes, when these are applied can push the price of the bike by another 50 to 75% of the retail price. In Europe all these charges are included in the retail price this is why retail price looks cheap compared to Europe
First guy is no mechanic if he will not touch carbs ! of course a GS 850 is heavy FFS ! she is an old beasty !
I will say a mechanic who can’t strip and clean a set of carbs, is a parts fitter, I have only done a couple, but as I was shown lay the bits out, Wemoto do so many service kits, have a look.
I love fuel injected bikes but do feel like I have to clean at least one carburetor in my life as some kind of homage to my dad and grandad who seemed to do it almost by instinct ❤
My gosh, it’s amazing how salty some of the folks can get in the comment section.
re tube, use slime in the tubes,i have done this for many years it proved it self many times re punctures
Put the bike on a trailer...apparently there are no professionals in the UK. In Norway and Spain, they accept everything that can be fixed!
Interesting. In the UK, we’re losing old mechanical skills (carb knowledge) really quickly
@@tuesdayatdobbs There's loads of really good independents around by me in the West & South East Wales region - REPS Motorcycles, Superbike Surgery, JHS Racing, Louigi Moto to name a few.
triumph 400 uk 5000 ,Thailand 3500 and India 2500
You still have to balance the throttle bodies on a fuel injected bike.
Hey Freddie!! Haters gunna hate! Love ya pal 🙏
The UK has for a long time been expensive be it bikes or cars.
"limp wristed nancy boy" = made me spit my tea out!
..stickers no thanks , but magnets 🤔
Would never trust a bit tape to seal my wheels.
I have had tubed tires all my riding days and never had a flat
The subs GS850 had a problem with the ignition pickup. It’s breaking down with heat That’s why it runs for 29 mins then dies. Common Suzuki problem seen loads of em. Dead easy to diagnose with a £5 meter from aldi.
What's the solution to this problem?
Here in Bharat the Triumph Speed 400 cost only $2700 USD that is 2036 british pounds.
Wow!😳
Look at almost anything sold in the usa vs uk and its a dollar to pound direct exchange. eg Samsung Galaxy tab s9+ 512gb wifi.... John Lewis £999. Walmart $968.
It’s not direct comparable. UK prices have vat at 20%, US pricing is exclusive of Sales & State Tax. Plus we include OTR costs. US have to add delivery, dealer costs, registration etc.
I like not having carbs
G58’s castigation of you and carbs could have been my daughter talking to me about phones and modern technology. Don’t worry, it’s a generational thing not to be comfortable with something that you don’t understand. I do, however, wear stylish trousers 😂😂😂
Thank you Andy… on both both points📱👖😆
£117 a year road tax for that Z650rs
Carbs haven't changed; unfortunately the petrol has changed and tends to thicken up in the jets. Whilst efi relies on a pressure pump to squirt the fuel into the inlet, carbs rely on the suction of the engine to draw the fuel through the jets. If you clean the jets weekly you may be ok; otherwise the engine will run rough and then stop as the jets become blocked with jellified petrol.
Tell that to a lawnmower.
I hear this but so far still haven't seen it to be true.
The difference is how many years something has stood.
Efi that's stood for 20 years is going to be harder to get going.
Ahhhhh, for goodness sake, all you 30 somethings, learn how to fix stuff. This carburettor nonsense is pathetic, look at itchy boots new motorcycle choice it has a carburettor. A reason for this is it simple and could be fixed anywhere but clearly not by 30 something year old man in the UK.
Do you recall her ever having a fuel injection problem on her Honda? I don't. And that bike has been ridden to death.
@@johnstone7697 BUT SHE DID HAVE ISSUES HENCE GOING BACK TO THE BASISC DONT GET ME WRONG HONDA BIKES ARE SPECIAL LIKE MOST JAP BIKES BUT THESE NEW BIKES ARE GETTING OUT OF HAND JUST LIKE THE ARABS WHAT DO THEY USE ?TOYOTA WHY BECAUSE THEY WILL GET YA HOME SO WHY NOT BUY A LAND ROVER BECAUSE THEY WILL ALSO GET YOU HOME IF THEY ARE OVER 20 YEARS OLD ITCHY HAS STILL GONE JAP HAS SHE NOT AND SHE HAS ALSO HAD IT FINE TUNED BY A SPECIALIST SO ITS NOT BASIC IS IT ??
Hate us cus they ain’t us
The USA does not show the VAT.
Hi Freddy thanks for reading out my comments on the GS850.
On a different topic, I would suggest the king of the 2 strokes was the Suzuki GT750. Yes the Kawasaki 750 was potentially more dramatic but the Suzuki was the ONLY water cooled 3 cylinder two stroke ever. For years I watched them sell for pennies and thinking that surely folk must realise they are unique. Then just as I was thinking I could grab a bargain they rocketed in value to £10k plus and, as your correspondent says, seem to have maintained their value to this day. I had one mid 70s (til it was stolen!) and it was a truly lovely bike with a very impressive presence.
Wow, googling these now, thank you Chris!
suzuki GT750 the only water cooled two stroke triple ever .......what about the honda MVX250 and NS400 ?
Hey Freddie, I wonder if you can get a conversation kit for that 650 kwaka,so you could put carbs on it 😂
That would be a conversation starter 😊
Interesting shall take a look😆
Aaargh, the good old Carbs times.....
An we all got a brand new lump of Coal for Christmas... Them were the days.....
Coal? You were lucky. All we 'ad wuz ripped up cardboard.
I would much rather have a bike with tubes as I can patch a tube at the side of the road. I'm sure riders like Itchy Boots would go for something with tubes.
Interesting
@tuesdayatdobbs Itchy Boots, (and most serious off-roaders), uses mousse.
When did you pass your test Freddie I don't really reremember a time with no cool 125's. I know it got a bit dull when the 2 strokes started to be phased out
I passed in 2010. There was a Honda CB125 and Yamaha YBR125, and to the very best of my knowledge back then… that was it
@tuesdayatdobbs those were awful bikes. The CBR125 and YZF-125 were a little better. I think bikes like the Yamaha DT-125R. Kawasaki KMX125. Even the Aprilia RS125 and RX125 or SX125 must have been around. I know the first bikes were older. The VARdero 125 is rather nice or a WR125r or WR125x. I bought a Honda XR125L. In 2011 on 04 plate. It was really nice off road style electric start very easy to ride. Actually bought for £1k and sold for £1,381 a few year later.
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