As one of your former FFF account managers, just want to say I respect you so much for posting this and am aligned with EVERYTHING you said! Hope you're doing well, Jen!
This is why I'm a dedicated JenLuv fan and community member. I love that you stand up for what you believe is right and are willing to take a hit on your income to show that what you believe is truly important to you. 🎉❤🎉
Former FFF employee here. It's hard to see this happen to FFF after years of hard work to improve the member experience and make FFF the best it can be. I assure you that the values of the founders are not the same as the values of the majority of the employees, past and present, nor were we even aware of their personal beliefs until recently. I understand why you terminated and want you to know that we have loved partnering with you over the years. Your content has been consistently authentic and you were our favorite (and most honest) review season after season.
Agree --- I'm a FFFF (former FFF) employee too. I want the company to succeed, for it not to be any sort of "black mark" on my resume (or any of my former colleagues resumes). The FFF leaders failed all of us here. It's hard to see, yes.
@@Niccis_Narrative respectfully, it sounds like. you've never seen one of my FFF reviews. They were always 100% honest, even to the point of sometimes saying I didn't think my box was worth it, if that was the truth. It sounds like you're saying that you can't see how I wouldn't LIE to my audience for a sponsorship and that is extremely inaccurate to what I've built my channel to be for the last 11 years. No, I couldn't ever speak to the customer ordering experience, but I never said that I could. What I spoke to was each and every choice and what I thought of the offerings to give my subscribers the best shot possible at building the best box for them.
fab fit fun was the worst company I ever experienced...............product quality was great but customer service and their shady way of billing is criminal. they are still trying to charge my credit card. I keep the balance below 60 so they cant charge it. 7 declines in one day. after a year of me cancelling my account. I really hate them. they raised their prices too I guess because the last several attempts were 76.00 dollars. I hope they go out of business.
Imagine telling your public to "gof***yourself" and being shocked that they "Foff". I can see a lot of people not wanting to do business with a company that would cross that line... and that is ignoring everything else, except the promo code itself.
Love seeing you in your new dress - it looks great! "Go f*ck yourself" as a code during the holidays - what an absolutely no brainer - for killing your business, that is.
I was horrified when I saw that. What moron thought that would be good to post during any holiday??? I can see hopping on a trend, but that is not what they were doing. It is a very sad way of trying to reach a wide community. They should have left their opinions on their private accounts where few people could connect it to FFF.
All the threads about this FFF ad on Reddit suddenly disappeared. The mods did not delete them and it's suspected that FFF filed a complaint (allegedly). If that is true, it's pretty clear they don't really support free speech.
I will never get how people think civil rights issues and bigotry are "opinions." You can have political opinions, but if your "opinion" is that a group should not exist (ex. antisemitism, racism in any form, transphobia, bigotry against the LGBTQIA community), it's not an opinion, and it's dangerous. It leads to situations and legislation that harm people.
I quit FFF quite awhile back. What I liked is their add on market where you could get things for a great deal. But I found it promoted excess buying and I ended up with just too much to use. So I quit to use what I bought and stop getting hooked by deals. All of these companies are after our money, but what are they actually giving us? Clutter and things we don’t actually need.
Yep. We support a cat box, which comes with some cat toys and things for the house, but that’s mostly because we can package up the things we don’t want and give them to our local shelter to resell or put into auction bags. If that no longer becomes an option, we’re going to switch to a cat-treat-only box. And it’s for exactly what you note: these boxes all promote excess consumption. I’d rather make the option to buy the cute blanket they’re trying to hook me with on its own, and not have to figure out what to do with the rest of the stuff… 🤷🏼♀️
I agree! I loved it for the deals I could get on skincare and hair care, but found myself not using the things they were sending me in my box. It felt so wasteful that I finally cancelled after like five years on buying the yearly membership.
100% agree on your statement and I canceled last season for the exact same reasons you stated, if I hadn't canceled I would have after hearing about this 🤷♀️
I feel bad for the collateral damage at FFF, the employees, people like you that worked with them etc but the silver lining here for me at least is that now I know who these CEOs are, and I can save myself from ever purchasing from them in the future! I have no personal connections to what’s going on, but I am horrified just as a fellow human being. I know I’m probably supporting other companies that I am unaware of that align themselves with this but I am grateful for anytime I can avoid doing that with my hard earned money! Thank you for speaking out about it!
Unfortunately, this is going to be a real mixed bag. You already mentioned the employees, but FFF did, in fact, support some women- and POC-owned businesses. The largest won’t hurt, of course, but they did often support some smaller to mid-sized companies. It’s all rather unfortunate. Too bad the two horrible co-founders won’t step down.
@@mortviolette284 absolutely there’s a ton of collateral damage and that is terrible. To Have me as a customer would take nothing short of them stepping down though which your right, they definitely won’t do. They hurt a lot of people with this, and it really is a shame!
@@mortviolette284 Just because you have conservative viewpoints does not mean you hate women or minorities. It simply means you disagree with some of the controversial, extremist takes from the left.
@@rikoea6530 like that women and minorities should be treated equally by society and transgender people have a right to exist publicly and schools should teach real history, and books shouldn't be banned.
@@JenniferKlumpp The right doesn't support banning books. And the right does want you to teach real history. They do think everyone should be treated equally in society and transgender people have a right to exist. Just because you have crafted an incorrect narrative on what the right wants does not mean its true. Never forget you are the type of person to cry "racist" every time your feelings get hurt and you like to shout down debates. You don't like listening to the other side anyway so how can you say what the other side wants? The right doesn't make decisions based on fragile emotions. They make decisions based off what makes logical sense.
Jen, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the FabFitFun situation. I always appreciate the fact that you do your research and share such a thorough breakdown so others can make an informed decision as well. I know people can get upset when someone in the beauty space speaks out on “political” matters but basic human rights and the equal treatment of others should never be considered debatable.
susan yara absolutely knew she was advertising her own brand before announcing that it was HER brand. scummy scummy business behavior. Between her and fff…. just so dissatisfied with these businesses that support disgusting morals and ethics
I canceled my subscription years ago. I realized after some research, that they inflated the value. I also learned that "influencers" received priority, which is why, even if a subscriber jumped to order products immediately after ordering opened, products were sold out,
Since that scandal in 2021 where Susan was less than honest about her role in Naturium, she and the brand kinda give me the ick. I hear their products are good but I just see her as a liar and for some reason can’t overlook that.
I agree. Her smug condescending apology video really put me off, and I wasn't much of a fan to start with . But If that's the character of a brand owner, I wouldn't put any trust in the products or ingredients. And even with Elf buying the brand, with Susan still there, I still wouldn't buy it. Too many great brands out there that don't have a shady owner attached. No need to buy from them.
I will tell u I used to be a member until they blocked me from becoming a member. Even if they unblocked me sorry will never join again. I am tired of this going on. I grew to believe everybody should be treated equally and respectfully.
Great dive into the FFF situation. Thank you for covering this! I do find it a bit ironic to call out FFF then endorse a Nestlé collab considering their multitude of issues.
Jen I have loved your channel for years, and it is part of the reason I became a cosmetic chemist. I respect you so immensely for sharing the FFF story alongside your personal connections to the issues at hand. There are a lot of scary and dangerous people out there who are now loud and proud about their hate. We need more influencers like you.
You’re a gem of a human being Jen. Thank you so much for reporting on this, I had no idea and it’s making me question my future with my FFF subscription.
I am a licensed cosmetology, and certified MUA. I loved some of the products I received from fab, fit, fun and recommended them to my family, friends and clients. But lately, I've been thinking of discontinuing my subscription because the products were becoming redundant and through my licenses and certifications, I can get the same products at great prices, but with no hateful comments, political views and negative connotations towards Trans or LGBT people or their supporters, of which I am a loyal supporter. I have a trans son, and gay family member whom I love and respect. Thank you so much for your research, your input and thoughtfulness for us consumers.
You can hear in her voice how betrayed she feels by FFF & what she undoubtedly thought was a great business relationship. I am impressed that she lives her ethics!
What never made sense about the Naturium scandal is that she talked about ingredients and formulations but somehow didn’t have a contract?? I always thought it was shady and dishonest
Yikes. This FFF mess is disappointing. It feels like the CEOs have such a different value set than the customer base, but we (the customer base) are just now finding out who our 💵 were supporting.
This was an excellent video Jen. Thank you for keeping us all informed and for your integrity. The FFF situation is extremely disappointing to say the least, and I feel awful for the employees who are going to be the most negatively affected by the fallout.
Jen, I love that you have voiced all of this. I hope, as well, that people don’t need to be Jewish, a part of the LGBTQ community, POC, Muslim, and any other marginalized/targeted group in order to have universal empathy for ALL. ❤
I didn’t know about any of the controversy BUT this week alone, I got like three or four marketing emails from FFF. I’ve never purchased a box, never signed up for a subscription, and now this marketing push makes sense. Sketchy all around.
I've been watching this channel for a few years now. As a WOC I have a brand new respect for Jen. To stand up for what you believe and what is right is hard enough.....to go to the point where it affects your income....IN THIS ECONOMY !!!..... to stand on your beliefs, and you still do it!! I'm not only impressed, but a hard core fan from now on.
I have to thank you Jen! I know I can always trust your points of view. I started FabFitFun in 2019 after watching your Spring 2019 unboxing. Your honest reviews of the product not only got me hooked on FFF but also to your UA-cam channel. I’ve been an Esthetician for over two decades and was so impressed by your knowledge of ingredients. This past year I started doing FFF unboxings on my UA-cam channel, just to bring my crafting and sewing community something a little different and fun. The boxes haven’t been as good as they used to be and quite frankly the winter box just wasn’t fun at all. Now with your discoveries about the founders and what they have shared on their personal social media pages, I know it’s time for me not to renew my annual box subscription for 2024. I don’t do a sponsorship with them and pay for my boxes. Lukily Spring was my renewal cycle, so I can stop that from renewing. My channel is about sharing kindness and with this box now carrying a potential intention of hatred, I can’t use it on my platform. Thank you for all you bring to this community! When you shared your L’ocitane story years ago, I know you were a person of extreme integrity and honesty. Wishing you and your family love and light this Chanukah season! Big hugs, Scott (the quilting camper).
What a bummer about Fab Fit Fun...you are amazing to call them out and cancel your partnership. You are a true rockstar. And thank you for the update on Susan Yuck. i was subbed to her for a long time but her sleezy launch was just so icky. As highly rated as her products seem to be, i just can't. luckily there are tons of other amazing products out there. Thank you for all you do. ❤️❤️❤️
Couldn't agree more. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion...but I am entitled to NOT buy things from companies that don't align with my beliefs❤
I'm not particularly surprised by people being loudly transphobic but the amount of people who are now ok with being loudly antisemitic is kinda surprising.
People don’t see antisemitism as often because so many tropes have been normalized. It’s only when people point it out and explain the history of it, and how it most often led to deaths over the past decades or centuries, that people kind of see it. Even then, a lot of the knee-jerk reaction is just to dismiss it with another common trope meant to silence people: “those people are always complaining.”
I don't disagree but maybe I wasn't clear originally. Antisemitic dog whistles are fairly common but saying "Jews hate white people" isn't a dog whistle, it's an air horn. The ability for people to be openly and blatantly antisemitic in public is becoming more "acceptable" than it was and that shift is what I find alarming. Definitely didn't mean to imply antisemitism didn't exist or wasn't harming people before.
It's very unsettling how normalized antisemitism is in both America and the Western world at this time. The even more unsettling thing is that there are so many universities here in the U.S. that seem to be massive breeding grounds for this hate. Colleges and universities used to be where people would go to develop and hone their critical thinking skills. Institutions of higher learning used to be where one truly transitions from a child to an adult because that is where one learned to think for themselves through both common sense and reasoning. Now, it feels as if our universities are cesspools of various forms of extremism, turning our youth into mindless machines with a strong propensity towards violence(nobody does peaceful protests anymore). It's both frightening and frustrating. This world is going to Hell in a handbasket because humans are so full of hate, anger, and stupidity.
@@RikkiSpanish That is because of the decades long effort to defund education. When that happens, you have ill-educated people then going on to become the professors. Not to mention people keep forgetting about the psychological hack of Cambridge Analytica. Everything happening right now is the culmination of white supremacy, toxic masculinity, unregulated greed and good old American narcissism, taught en masse by media and entertainment. None of this is new. None of this dystopia just sprung up out of nowhere - and in fact, some corners of said entertainment tried to warn us far in advance. It is time NOW to understand that, and do the work to fix it. But then there’s the kicker: how do you convince an uneducated, sedentary population to put in hard work to change the system?
I’m a huge supporter of free speech, but to a degree. The free speech isn’t free from criticism or consequences. I don’t support EM or anyone or company that has bigoted beliefs.
You do not support free speech. You support fascism. It’s really that simple. Yes, there are consequences to being wrong. People criticize and disagree. That’s healthy. That’s how we learn and grow. Well, that’s how we used to learn and grow anyway. That’s not how it’s done anymore. Now we have to slap a label onto everyone to filter them into categories so they only speak within their preferred echo chamber and then pat each other on the back for being so tolerant. I can certainly accept that you believe Elon Musk is a bigot. Nothing I’ve heard him say would lead me to that conclusion and I strongly suspect you’re getting your information from incorrect sources, but I would never suggest that your fascist views be censored. I have no problem allowing you to be wrong.
Soooo glad you said this! Free speech doesn’t mean ‘free from consequences’. And EM only believes in free speech as long as the speech isn’t criticizing him. Choosing not to advertise on X is ‘blackmail’?? He’s a lunatic.
@@zenchilladas It’s not that some companies couldn’t advertise on X, it’s that they chose to pull their advertising from X in response to antisemitic remarks made by Elon Musk, who owns X. He was infuriated by this and has lashed out at those companies several times. I’m really summarizing, because of course things are more complex than what’s here in the comments section, but I hope that helps a bit. 😊
Yeah setting aside fff's political opinions -- they've had serious privacy issues. I signed up for one season and have had serious complications with my account privacy. Several orders being fulfilled and sent to addresses that aren't mine -- and being attempted to be charged to my card (they were declined by my CC company of course). But fff keeps fulfilling them. They've been to all sorts of addresses in the US. It's been insane and I've had zero ability to get it resolved over several years. I'd never use them. To find out their politics are messed up isn't that surprising IMHO.
Wow, YIKES!!! I wasn't aware of the top story, and I've never subscribed to them, but I'm so thankful for WUIM and you, Jen. I'm sorry you needed to make the choice to end your sponsorship / memberships, but I support that decision.
Jen I really appreciate how you stick to your values and will even take a great financial hit to do what you believe is right. That says a lot about you as a person. Love your videos!
As a person who works at the intersection of tech and marketing, this is the crossover I never saw coming. Elon has driven a successful business into the ground while blaming everyone but himself. To see other CEOs follow his lead is a little more shocking, i always assume even these idiots will show restraint publicly. But, I also know some really dumb marketers, so...
I used to work in a marketing team for a jewellery brand and have been in the room when everyone was fine with a really tone-deaf black friday campaign and it truly was a revelation to me how oblivious an entire group of people can be. When I see things like this and people saying "how does this happen?!" I remember that meeting 😅
It's the cult of yes-men, for real. A lot of CEOs and owners didn't get there by being smart or even having real industry connections... They got there with daddy's money and stolen profits. 😏
Jen - you’re beyond awesome. Your ability to explain complex and emotional issues using facts while appreciating diverse opinions is impressive. I also appreciate your interjecting your opinion - I wish the rest of the world shared your views. Mad respect, mad love for you! ALSO - your hubby is so cute - wanna see a video with you both lol.
Thank you so much Jen for speaking about the term 'woke.' This is a term that comes from the black community and people have HIJACKED IT and turned into something VERY NASTY. It disgusts me.
Thank you for bringing awareness to the Fat Fit Fun story. As a consumer I like to know who I am supporting and nope I am not supporting this or this CEO. Also, why did FFF feel the need to support Elon with a discount code. I am happy to know about this and would rather support other brands instead. Thank you Jen!
@@Sarydice If, let's say, a dairy company had a "f$uck you" promo...and really in-your-face political ideals that are quite polarized from mine...then yeah, I'd boycott them.
Actually, you can get a refund and cancel now. Talk to customer support and tell them you want a refund for remaining boxes in your annual sun because of the recent Ad posted to X. A lot of people with annual subscriptions have been getting refunded for the remaining boxes over this issue.
Thank you for speaking out! I was a subscriber to FFF for years, since 2016 or 17. No longer, after this KKKlassy move. They showed their true colors and I’m showing myself out.
Thank you for taking a stance with FFF. All of love to you and your channel for not thinking someone’s bigoted opinions aren’t just opinions but bigotry with no space here on your channel.
I did not renew my FFF yearly subscription when it was up for renewal in October. Now I’m so glad I that I made this decision a couple of months ago. Originally I cancelled because I have too much stuff and wanted to work my way through what I have.
Mine auto-renewed with no warning ☹️. I'm super bummed now. I don't believe they give refunds but I'm gonna go find out. Either way, hopefully the community will be able to push for them to step down. Those dudes suck, to put it lightly.
I love how maturly and straighforeward the way she handeled ending the fab fit fun partnership and explaining why. It was respectful to all parties she was talking about but stood firm in her beloefs and thoughts on it.
Oh man, I really agree with you Jen.😢 it’s very sad that companies are jumping on the bandwagon to try and divide us even further. Kudos for you standing up for what is right❤
Jen, thanks for sharing about the impact the comment has had on you since 2014. It's a good reminder that the smallest things we say can have lasting impacts.
@@ynwa8374maybe you read that correctly. The poster may have been in agreement with Jen.. maybe you read it right.. see how people interpret what they read.
@Iamsnowbird ….. sooooo you’re okay with your people completely wiping out another group of people from the face of the earth??? As of today, over 10,000 children have been killed, nearly 30,000 killed and over 900 family trees have been removed from the world. Anyone else would read those numbers with horror but it seems like you read them with pride…
Im on a bit of a jen luv binge at the moment, you had’nt popped up on my feed for a long time so went looking for you and had 4 months worth to get through yaaaay!!!
I'm glad you let me know this Jen. I was about to make my first box purchase and as a TRANS woman I'm tired of giving money to those that think I shouldn't exist, that spread hate, thank you for letting me know.
I ended my FFF subscription over this situation, as well. I know it's a big loss for you, but I admire you doing the right thing. I align just about 100% with your values, and I find FFF supporting Musk and X appalling.
You deserve an MBA for What’s New in Makeup. Having one myself, I know the amount of research you do for each weekly vlog. Maybe a PhD! I look forward to seeing you and savoring your information with my Sunday cup of coffee. Thank you x 100!
I stopped my yearly two boxes ago and have found that I don't miss it. I really thought I would but no. I find myself throwing out stuff I got from their boxes all the time. Things that were cute at the time but is mostly just clutter now. I loved the skincare etc. but wound up with so much of it that it goes bad before I can use it. Thank you for letting us know Jen! Never going back now.
Same! I canceled two boxes ago as well. I’m trying to minimize the things in my life not add to the clutter. It’s all just unnecessary stuff. But it can be fun. Sad that you can’t trust any brand anymore
I'm a little concerned that we haven't heard brands in FFF respond to them - where are the people saying they won't work with them? We must take action based on information we have at the time. When we learn new things, we change our perceptions, opinions, and actions based on a fuller picture. We can dislike what someone says, believe they can say it, and still use it to make our own decisions.
If Susan Yara would stop lying it wouldn’t be so hard for her to keep her story straight. Such a disappointment that she continues to be rewarded for her behavior, but I will never be her customer.
Jen, you are 100% correct in your views of FFF. Those on here who are trying to tear you down because of your views? Trolls........all of them.I also LOVE when someone says "self reflection", i.e. Susan Yara , they ACTUALLY mean " I got caught being shady". Great video.
I left “X” altogether- I just can’t even support the platform anymore by being a member. As long as people are still on the platform, advertisers will continue to pay money to Elon Musk
Damn I thought maybe it was a scorned employee or something, but to know that it was actually serious and real....I will not be supporting them further.
Jen, I am kind of new here. I´ve been joining your lives on Sunday. I am really impressed with your objectivity and your reviews. Today I have a newfound respect for you and I will keep on supporting you because, for me, your values are in alignment with your actions, something that is rare in the influencer scene. And to be honest, that is exactly what I am looking for in the content I consume. Thank you!
The vanilla, tonka bean, passion fruit one definitely sounded the best when you were reading them all off! Fragrance is so hard. Like I don't even understand what I like or how to identify notes in anything.
as a student of History, Elon's and others sort of propaganda is very similar to another group's (rhymes with Yatzy). What makes me scared is people are buying it and calling those who don't follow their line of thought the real fascists.
I was contemplating discontinuing FFF for other reasons and this was the final one I needed. Just canceled it. Sikhs (me) felt an internal connection with Jews because of how we have been always targeted by people in power and atrocities we had to face. Having said that (this might be a little too political) I cannot agree with what is happening in Gaza by using Hamas as an excuse. And before anyone say it- Of course, they initiated it (this time) and of course they were wrong. But two wrongs does not make a right.
An “editor in chief” for such a brand means that she’s the person in charge of all the written materials associated with the brand. This means that she and her subordinates are responsible for the post on X. They wrote it, checked it and allowed it to be posted.
So, I’m not a businessy person. I only just started my own business and it’s going to most likely stay small by choice. Is it normal for companies to approach someone or to be in talks with someone, about having them become a founder or co-founder without them being involved from the very beginning? I always thought that part was a weird explanation, but I assumed it was a practice I just wasn’t familiar with. That being said, I’m unsurprised that it’s coming out that Susan was actually involved from the beginning… because that’s what a founder is… Also, Fab Fit Fun can go… well, you know.
Nobody is entitled to an opinion that denies the basic human rights of any person. We must NOT be tolerant of intolerance. The Paradox of Tolerance explains why.
Your comment raises an interesting problem for voters. In Congress the other day, Elise Stefanek questioned the heads of four of the most prestigious colleges in the country because they didn’t condemn outright or “punish” the pro-Palestinian protests of students that also called for the elimination of Israel and Jews. In this case, although the First Amendment Right applies only to the government not curtailing free speech, the Congresswoman and the nuanced answers of the college heads did not agree. This, as Jen points out, , creates confusion, chaos, antipathy. At least one college President has resigned. But the question remains: how can you enforce a policy touching on free speech BEFORE THAT POLICY IS ACTUALLY CREATED? (Apropos of that: did FFF have a policy about language in their ads?). I don’t think a single president, before that committee, had the power to “punish” such speech without a college wide policy. Certainly they didn’t in the sixties when anti-war speech and activity was a lot more disruptive. So expecting that they should now is absurd. Can anyone anticipate being hit by the bus? Just about the same probability. Jen is right about how offensive the speech is whether it calls for death for Asians, Blacks or Jews - same vile hatred, not to say uneducated and creating of an antagonistic atmosphere in a democratic society where this kind of hate-filled speech is unwarranted. Why unwarranted? Because this country was founded on intellectual ideas - NOT on the basis of what group or religion you came from. In fact, even if all the founders were Christian they weren’t all from the same church! Even their Christian beliefs varied. So it takes a lot of nerve, stupidity and “sleepwalking” (unwoke, if you will) to wrap your bias in the American flag and think that you know the Word of God or have absolute Truth! That applies to the protesters, but it also applies to the Congresswoman. She wants to label protestors “woke” as if that were a dirty word but she doesn’t have it right either because a democracy calls for INTELLIGENCE and TOLERANCE, especially from its leaders. THE PROTESTORS THEMSELVES WERE OBNOXIOUS, INTENTIONALLY SO. Congresswoman Stefanek was as well. The Congresswoman jumped at the chance to make otherwise educated people look stupid and unprepared. They obliged by being “professorial.” In her own way, she was as much a chaos creator as all those student groups. She comes from the right and they from the left - both are wrong. The Truth is that in a democracy no group can afford to call for the elimination of another when they are protesting. Neither the protestors nor Ms. Stefanek are morally pure, and being older, she should know better, but being MAGA she’s lost her sense of balance.
The FFF CEOs are very out of touch with target market and just with the everyday person. Most of us see Elon Musk as a bigot and a giant rich toddler who steps on the backs of very talented people but takes all the credit. I've noticed a lot of rich men or very wealthy men idolize Elon Musk, my own boss and owner of the company I work for completely idolizes that bigot. Most of the time, he doesn't mention EM but when he does, the thoughts of just walking out flood my mind. But bills need to be paid and nothing else is wrong there but if a good opportunity comes up, I'm definitely taking it. I cannot stand ppl who support EM and are his fangirls and the thought of supporting & working for someone who thinks like EM is a no no.
I love the outfit and makeup. You're honest and that makes a huge difference. I recently started watching your Fab Fit Fun videos, so this sucks on the video end of things, but it worked while it worked ❤ I hope you're doing okay in that respect. I know I'm not going to try their service, now. You always say and stand up for what you believe in. Thats admirable! Keep it up! Hope the weather clears up.
I will say, while I certainly understand it's hard to put aside your personal bias when it comes to friends. I wish you had brought this same level of skepticism and passion to your coverage of Makeup Geek Academy's MLM controversy last week
Now, we have to figure out as a society everywhere in the world if "Hate Speech" is "Free Speech". I think that it is but because it is harmful there should be repercussions. It can lead to actions where beings get hurt.
As one of your former FFF account managers, just want to say I respect you so much for posting this and am aligned with EVERYTHING you said! Hope you're doing well, Jen!
This is why I'm a dedicated JenLuv fan and community member. I love that you stand up for what you believe is right and are willing to take a hit on your income to show that what you believe is truly important to you. 🎉❤🎉
Former FFF employee here. It's hard to see this happen to FFF after years of hard work to improve the member experience and make FFF the best it can be. I assure you that the values of the founders are not the same as the values of the majority of the employees, past and present, nor were we even aware of their personal beliefs until recently.
I understand why you terminated and want you to know that we have loved partnering with you over the years. Your content has been consistently authentic and you were our favorite (and most honest) review season after season.
😭❤ Thank you!!
Agree --- I'm a FFFF (former FFF) employee too. I want the company to succeed, for it not to be any sort of "black mark" on my resume (or any of my former colleagues resumes).
The FFF leaders failed all of us here. It's hard to see, yes.
Like I said it's never the ceos that suffer it's usually the employees who have nothing to do with any wrong doings that suffer.
@@Niccis_Narrative respectfully, it sounds like. you've never seen one of my FFF reviews. They were always 100% honest, even to the point of sometimes saying I didn't think my box was worth it, if that was the truth. It sounds like you're saying that you can't see how I wouldn't LIE to my audience for a sponsorship and that is extremely inaccurate to what I've built my channel to be for the last 11 years. No, I couldn't ever speak to the customer ordering experience, but I never said that I could. What I spoke to was each and every choice and what I thought of the offerings to give my subscribers the best shot possible at building the best box for them.
fab fit fun was the worst company I ever experienced...............product quality was great but customer service and their shady way of billing is criminal. they are still trying to charge my credit card. I keep the balance below 60 so they cant charge it. 7 declines in one day. after a year of me cancelling my account. I really hate them. they raised their prices too I guess because the last several attempts were 76.00 dollars. I hope they go out of business.
That ad was not meant as a joke. It was meant as a statement and a declaration of alignment.
Well said
People who have to backpedal and say "it was a joke" 1000% know darn well it wasn't!
Of what alignment exactly?
@@marihawleyExactly!
@@MoonstruckMame? Of what was said and who was saying it.
Imagine telling your public to "gof***yourself" and being shocked that they "Foff". I can see a lot of people not wanting to do business with a company that would cross that line... and that is ignoring everything else, except the promo code itself.
Love seeing you in your new dress - it looks great!
"Go f*ck yourself" as a code during the holidays - what an absolutely no brainer - for killing your business, that is.
Thank you so much!!!
I was horrified when I saw that. What moron thought that would be good to post during any holiday??? I can see hopping on a trend, but that is not what they were doing. It is a very sad way of trying to reach a wide community. They should have left their opinions on their private accounts where few people could connect it to FFF.
That's when I quit buying from fff. Haven't missed them
All the threads about this FFF ad on Reddit suddenly disappeared. The mods did not delete them and it's suspected that FFF filed a complaint (allegedly). If that is true, it's pretty clear they don't really support free speech.
r/fabfitfunsurveys is currently the place to talk about this.
“Free Speech when it benefits me”
That is the MO of Elon and his cronies 😬
Yeah, the FFF Reddit mod permanently banned me with no basis whatsoever. I had upvotes only & never said anything hateful to or about anyone.
Free speech for me, not for thee.😒
It's sad cause it's never really the ceos that really suffer it's always the employees that have nothing to do with any wrong doings who suffer.
I will never get how people think civil rights issues and bigotry are "opinions." You can have political opinions, but if your "opinion" is that a group should not exist (ex. antisemitism, racism in any form, transphobia, bigotry against the LGBTQIA community), it's not an opinion, and it's dangerous. It leads to situations and legislation that harm people.
well said and right on. thank you.
so well said.
We can have differing opinions on whether pineapple belongs on pizza, but there’s no such thing as differing opinions on human rights.
Well said. It's what I say. There's a huge difference! Hearing Jen and reading your comment gives me some faith in humanity.
Period
Came here for JenLuvsReviews but stayed for your integrity, big heart, and your adorable relationship with John 😊❤
I quit FFF quite awhile back. What I liked is their add on market where you could get things for a great deal. But I found it promoted excess buying and I ended up with just too much to use. So I quit to use what I bought and stop getting hooked by deals. All of these companies are after our money, but what are they actually giving us? Clutter and things we don’t actually need.
Yep. We support a cat box, which comes with some cat toys and things for the house, but that’s mostly because we can package up the things we don’t want and give them to our local shelter to resell or put into auction bags. If that no longer becomes an option, we’re going to switch to a cat-treat-only box. And it’s for exactly what you note: these boxes all promote excess consumption. I’d rather make the option to buy the cute blanket they’re trying to hook me with on its own, and not have to figure out what to do with the rest of the stuff… 🤷🏼♀️
I agree! I loved it for the deals I could get on skincare and hair care, but found myself not using the things they were sending me in my box. It felt so wasteful that I finally cancelled after like five years on buying the yearly membership.
Exactly. I canceled Ipsy, Boxycharm ect.
Exactly!
100% agree on your statement and I canceled last season for the exact same reasons you stated, if I hadn't canceled I would have after hearing about this 🤷♀️
I feel bad for the collateral damage at FFF, the employees, people like you that worked with them etc but the silver lining here for me at least is that now I know who these CEOs are, and I can save myself from ever purchasing from them in the future! I have no personal connections to what’s going on, but I am horrified just as a fellow human being. I know I’m probably supporting other companies that I am unaware of that align themselves with this but I am grateful for anytime I can avoid doing that with my hard earned money! Thank you for speaking out about it!
Unfortunately, this is going to be a real mixed bag. You already mentioned the employees, but FFF did, in fact, support some women- and POC-owned businesses. The largest won’t hurt, of course, but they did often support some smaller to mid-sized companies. It’s all rather unfortunate. Too bad the two horrible co-founders won’t step down.
@@mortviolette284 absolutely there’s a ton of collateral damage and that is terrible. To Have me as a customer would take nothing short of them stepping down though which your right, they definitely won’t do. They hurt a lot of people with this, and it really is a shame!
@@mortviolette284 Just because you have conservative viewpoints does not mean you hate women or minorities. It simply means you disagree with some of the controversial, extremist takes from the left.
@@rikoea6530 like that women and minorities should be treated equally by society and transgender people have a right to exist publicly and schools should teach real history, and books shouldn't be banned.
@@JenniferKlumpp The right doesn't support banning books. And the right does want you to teach real history. They do think everyone should be treated equally in society and transgender people have a right to exist. Just because you have crafted an incorrect narrative on what the right wants does not mean its true. Never forget you are the type of person to cry "racist" every time your feelings get hurt and you like to shout down debates. You don't like listening to the other side anyway so how can you say what the other side wants? The right doesn't make decisions based on fragile emotions. They make decisions based off what makes logical sense.
Jen, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the FabFitFun situation. I always appreciate the fact that you do your research and share such a thorough breakdown so others can make an informed decision as well. I know people can get upset when someone in the beauty space speaks out on “political” matters but basic human rights and the equal treatment of others should never be considered debatable.
susan yara absolutely knew she was advertising her own brand before announcing that it was HER brand. scummy scummy business behavior. Between her and fff…. just so dissatisfied with these businesses that support disgusting morals and ethics
I canceled my subscription years ago. I realized after some research, that they inflated the value. I also learned that "influencers" received priority, which is why, even if a subscriber jumped to order products immediately after ordering opened, products were sold out,
Since that scandal in 2021 where Susan was less than honest about her role in Naturium, she and the brand kinda give me the ick. I hear their products are good but I just see her as a liar and for some reason can’t overlook that.
Same here. I never bought and will never buy from her after the scandal. There’s too much skincare out there to buy into brands I don’t align with.
Exacty.... I feel like the entire online community was sooo quick to forgive and forget and I don't get it.
I agree. Her smug condescending apology video really put me off, and I wasn't much of a fan to start with . But If that's the character of a brand owner, I wouldn't put any trust in the products or ingredients. And even with Elf buying the brand, with Susan still there, I still wouldn't buy it. Too many great brands out there that don't have a shady owner attached. No need to buy from them.
She lied for no reason at all. I hate stupid people doing stupid things.
I will tell u I used to be a member until they blocked me from becoming a member. Even if they unblocked me sorry will never join again. I am tired of this going on. I grew to believe everybody should be treated equally and respectfully.
Thank you for being brave enough to stand up for what's right on your channel. ❤ Targeting any group of people is pathetic and wrong.
Great dive into the FFF situation. Thank you for covering this!
I do find it a bit ironic to call out FFF then endorse a Nestlé collab considering their multitude of issues.
Jen I have loved your channel for years, and it is part of the reason I became a cosmetic chemist. I respect you so immensely for sharing the FFF story alongside your personal connections to the issues at hand. There are a lot of scary and dangerous people out there who are now loud and proud about their hate. We need more influencers like you.
Standing with you, Jen! I don't understand all the hate for humans! Thanks for using your voice for goodness.
You’re a gem of a human being Jen. Thank you so much for reporting on this, I had no idea and it’s making me question my future with my FFF subscription.
I canceled my FFF subscription too. It did make me sad cause I really loved it, but I just can’t support them anymore.
I really appreciate you always sticking up for what you believe in, even when it isn't fun. We need more people like you in the world.
I am a licensed cosmetology, and certified MUA. I loved some of the products I received from fab, fit, fun and recommended them to my family, friends and clients. But lately, I've been thinking of discontinuing my subscription because the products were becoming redundant and through my licenses and certifications, I can get the same products at great prices, but with no hateful comments, political views and negative connotations towards Trans or LGBT people or their supporters, of which I am a loyal supporter. I have a trans son, and gay family member whom I love and respect. Thank you so much for your research, your input and thoughtfulness for us consumers.
Jen, thank you for your ethics; for your research; for the work you do.
Jen is one of the few beauty creators I watch anymore because of this.
You can hear in her voice how betrayed she feels by FFF & what she undoubtedly thought was a great business relationship. I am impressed that she lives her ethics!
What never made sense about the Naturium scandal is that she talked about ingredients and formulations but somehow didn’t have a contract?? I always thought it was shady and dishonest
I’m so sad to see your FFF unboxing going out the window BUT I respect you so so much for doing this !!
Yikes. This FFF mess is disappointing. It feels like the CEOs have such a different value set than the customer base, but we (the customer base) are just now finding out who our 💵 were supporting.
Thank you for standing up against hate and discrimination 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻✨✨✨❤️❤️❤️
This was an excellent video Jen. Thank you for keeping us all informed and for your integrity. The FFF situation is extremely disappointing to say the least, and I feel awful for the employees who are going to be the most negatively affected by the fallout.
Jen, I love that you have voiced all of this. I hope, as well, that people don’t need to be Jewish, a part of the LGBTQ community, POC, Muslim, and any other marginalized/targeted group in order to have universal empathy for ALL. ❤
I didn’t know about any of the controversy BUT this week alone, I got like three or four marketing emails from FFF. I’ve never purchased a box, never signed up for a subscription, and now this marketing push makes sense. Sketchy all around.
I get so many marketing texts from them and I am subbed to them (just unsubbed). Its really annoying.
I've been watching this channel for a few years now. As a WOC I have a brand new respect for Jen. To stand up for what you believe and what is right is hard enough.....to go to the point where it affects your income....IN THIS ECONOMY !!!..... to stand on your beliefs, and you still do it!! I'm not only impressed, but a hard core fan from now on.
I have to thank you Jen! I know I can always trust your points of view. I started FabFitFun in 2019 after watching your Spring 2019 unboxing. Your honest reviews of the product not only got me hooked on FFF but also to your UA-cam channel. I’ve been an Esthetician for over two decades and was so impressed by your knowledge of ingredients. This past year I started doing FFF unboxings on my UA-cam channel, just to bring my crafting and sewing community something a little different and fun. The boxes haven’t been as good as they used to be and quite frankly the winter box just wasn’t fun at all. Now with your discoveries about the founders and what they have shared on their personal social media pages, I know it’s time for me not to renew my annual box subscription for 2024. I don’t do a sponsorship with them and pay for my boxes. Lukily Spring was my renewal cycle, so I can stop that from renewing. My channel is about sharing kindness and with this box now carrying a potential intention of hatred, I can’t use it on my platform. Thank you for all you bring to this community! When you shared your L’ocitane story years ago, I know you were a person of extreme integrity and honesty. Wishing you and your family love and light this Chanukah season! Big hugs, Scott (the quilting camper).
What a bummer about Fab Fit Fun...you are amazing to call them out and cancel your partnership. You are a true rockstar. And thank you for the update on Susan Yuck. i was subbed to her for a long time but her sleezy launch was just so icky. As highly rated as her products seem to be, i just can't. luckily there are tons of other amazing products out there. Thank you for all you do. ❤️❤️❤️
Couldn't agree more. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion...but I am entitled to NOT buy things from companies that don't align with my beliefs❤
Exactly! Freedom of speech doesn't mean they are free from consequences.
I'm not particularly surprised by people being loudly transphobic but the amount of people who are now ok with being loudly antisemitic is kinda surprising.
Antisemitism is American as apple pie. Kinda hard to miss. Especially to other marginalized people.
People don’t see antisemitism as often because so many tropes have been normalized. It’s only when people point it out and explain the history of it, and how it most often led to deaths over the past decades or centuries, that people kind of see it. Even then, a lot of the knee-jerk reaction is just to dismiss it with another common trope meant to silence people: “those people are always complaining.”
I don't disagree but maybe I wasn't clear originally. Antisemitic dog whistles are fairly common but saying "Jews hate white people" isn't a dog whistle, it's an air horn. The ability for people to be openly and blatantly antisemitic in public is becoming more "acceptable" than it was and that shift is what I find alarming. Definitely didn't mean to imply antisemitism didn't exist or wasn't harming people before.
It's very unsettling how normalized antisemitism is in both America and the Western world at this time. The even more unsettling thing is that there are so many universities here in the U.S. that seem to be massive breeding grounds for this hate. Colleges and universities used to be where people would go to develop and hone their critical thinking skills. Institutions of higher learning used to be where one truly transitions from a child to an adult because that is where one learned to think for themselves through both common sense and reasoning. Now, it feels as if our universities are cesspools of various forms of extremism, turning our youth into mindless machines with a strong propensity towards violence(nobody does peaceful protests anymore). It's both frightening and frustrating. This world is going to Hell in a handbasket because humans are so full of hate, anger, and stupidity.
@@RikkiSpanish That is because of the decades long effort to defund education. When that happens, you have ill-educated people then going on to become the professors. Not to mention people keep forgetting about the psychological hack of Cambridge Analytica. Everything happening right now is the culmination of white supremacy, toxic masculinity, unregulated greed and good old American narcissism, taught en masse by media and entertainment. None of this is new. None of this dystopia just sprung up out of nowhere - and in fact, some corners of said entertainment tried to warn us far in advance. It is time NOW to understand that, and do the work to fix it. But then there’s the kicker: how do you convince an uneducated, sedentary population to put in hard work to change the system?
I’m a huge supporter of free speech, but to a degree.
The free speech isn’t free from criticism or consequences.
I don’t support EM or anyone or company that has bigoted beliefs.
How is Elon Musk bigoted?
You do not support free speech. You support fascism. It’s really that simple.
Yes, there are consequences to being wrong. People criticize and disagree. That’s healthy. That’s how we learn and grow. Well, that’s how we used to learn and grow anyway. That’s not how it’s done anymore. Now we have to slap a label onto everyone to filter them into categories so they only speak within their preferred echo chamber and then pat each other on the back for being so tolerant.
I can certainly accept that you believe Elon Musk is a bigot. Nothing I’ve heard him say would lead me to that conclusion and I strongly suspect you’re getting your information from incorrect sources, but I would never suggest that your fascist views be censored. I have no problem allowing you to be wrong.
Soooo glad you said this! Free speech doesn’t mean ‘free from consequences’. And EM only believes in free speech as long as the speech isn’t criticizing him. Choosing not to advertise on X is ‘blackmail’?? He’s a lunatic.
@@lisalovesphotography I'm genuinely trying to understand.. who couldn't advertise on x?
@@zenchilladas It’s not that some companies couldn’t advertise on X, it’s that they chose to pull their advertising from X in response to antisemitic remarks made by Elon Musk, who owns X. He was infuriated by this and has lashed out at those companies several times. I’m really summarizing, because of course things are more complex than what’s here in the comments section, but I hope that helps a bit. 😊
“It’s not representative of our brand” yet you specifically chose that to represent your brand. OKAY
But it is representative of the ceo's opinions and poor decision making. So, ...
People really showing their true colors in this comment section 😂
My thoughts exactly. I'm honestly a little bit surprised people with some of these viewpoints support Jen at all.
Really? All I see is people agreeing with Jen.
Yeah setting aside fff's political opinions -- they've had serious privacy issues. I signed up for one season and have had serious complications with my account privacy. Several orders being fulfilled and sent to addresses that aren't mine -- and being attempted to be charged to my card (they were declined by my CC company of course). But fff keeps fulfilling them. They've been to all sorts of addresses in the US. It's been insane and I've had zero ability to get it resolved over several years. I'd never use them. To find out their politics are messed up isn't that surprising IMHO.
Wow, YIKES!!! I wasn't aware of the top story, and I've never subscribed to them, but I'm so thankful for WUIM and you, Jen. I'm sorry you needed to make the choice to end your sponsorship / memberships, but I support that decision.
Jen I really appreciate how you stick to your values and will even take a great financial hit to do what you believe is right. That says a lot about you as a person. Love your videos!
Omg the dress looks great on you! So glad you decided to keep it!
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences from your speech. Looks like FFF is gonna learn that lesson the hard way.
As a person who works at the intersection of tech and marketing, this is the crossover I never saw coming. Elon has driven a successful business into the ground while blaming everyone but himself. To see other CEOs follow his lead is a little more shocking, i always assume even these idiots will show restraint publicly. But, I also know some really dumb marketers, so...
I used to work in a marketing team for a jewellery brand and have been in the room when everyone was fine with a really tone-deaf black friday campaign and it truly was a revelation to me how oblivious an entire group of people can be. When I see things like this and people saying "how does this happen?!" I remember that meeting 😅
It's the cult of yes-men, for real. A lot of CEOs and owners didn't get there by being smart or even having real industry connections... They got there with daddy's money and stolen profits. 😏
Jen - you’re beyond awesome. Your ability to explain complex and emotional issues using facts while appreciating diverse opinions is impressive. I also appreciate your interjecting your opinion - I wish the rest of the world shared your views. Mad respect, mad love for you! ALSO - your hubby is so cute - wanna see a video with you both lol.
Thank you so much Jen for speaking about the term 'woke.' This is a term that comes from the black community and people have HIJACKED IT and turned into something VERY NASTY. It disgusts me.
What does the word “woke” even mean?
@@88myripperit means insufferable 😂
Thank you for bringing awareness to the Fat Fit Fun story. As a consumer I like to know who I am supporting and nope I am not supporting this or this CEO. Also, why did FFF feel the need to support Elon with a discount code. I am happy to know about this and would rather support other brands instead. Thank you Jen!
@@Sarydice
If, let's say, a dairy company had a "f$uck you" promo...and really in-your-face political ideals that are quite polarized from mine...then yeah, I'd boycott them.
@@SarydiceI do.
I have an annual membership to Fabfitfun. Dammit. Yep, not renewing after that.
Actually, you can get a refund and cancel now. Talk to customer support and tell them you want a refund for remaining boxes in your annual sun because of the recent Ad posted to X. A lot of people with annual subscriptions have been getting refunded for the remaining boxes over this issue.
Musk seems incapable of realising that "woke" is simply "giving a sh*t about other people"
Which says a lot about him
Not when people think it's ok for men to be in women locker rooms. No way José.
Good for you on FFF! The ad was the last straw for me and I canceled. I hadn't seen those CEO tweets which are horrible.
Thank you for speaking out! I was a subscriber to FFF for years, since 2016 or 17. No longer, after this KKKlassy move. They showed their true colors and I’m showing myself out.
Me too!
Thank you for taking a stance with FFF. All of love to you and your channel for not thinking someone’s bigoted opinions aren’t just opinions but bigotry with no space here on your channel.
I did not renew my FFF yearly subscription when it was up for renewal in October. Now I’m so glad I that I made this decision a couple of months ago. Originally I cancelled because I have too much stuff and wanted to work my way through what I have.
Mine auto-renewed with no warning ☹️. I'm super bummed now. I don't believe they give refunds but I'm gonna go find out. Either way, hopefully the community will be able to push for them to step down. Those dudes suck, to put it lightly.
They are giving refunds over this issue. Remember to be polite but blunt about what upset you and why you can't support this company.
I love how maturly and straighforeward the way she handeled ending the fab fit fun partnership and explaining why. It was respectful to all parties she was talking about but stood firm in her beloefs and thoughts on it.
That Pantone color is a color I was already really obsessed with. It's close to an apricot color. I love it in my makeup, clothing and jewelry.
Oh man, I really agree with you Jen.😢 it’s very sad that companies are jumping on the bandwagon to try and divide us even further. Kudos for you standing up for what is right❤
Jen, thanks for sharing about the impact the comment has had on you since 2014. It's a good reminder that the smallest things we say can have lasting impacts.
If you use your free speech to propagate hate don't be surprised if people don't want to support you.
On a lighter note Happy Hanukkah Jen!
I dont think this is any kind of hate ,- it's facts as you can see ....
You can't say this is a OK way of advertising ??🤔
@@ynwa8374maybe you read that correctly. The poster may have been in agreement with Jen.. maybe you read it right.. see how people interpret what they read.
@Iamsnowbird ….. sooooo you’re okay with your people completely wiping out another group of people from the face of the earth???
As of today, over 10,000 children have been killed, nearly 30,000 killed and over 900 family trees have been removed from the world.
Anyone else would read those numbers with horror but it seems like you read them with pride…
Just wanted to comment how very much I respect this video and am proud to be subbed here.
Im on a bit of a jen luv binge at the moment, you had’nt popped up on my feed for a long time so went looking for you and had 4 months worth to get through yaaaay!!!
The red dress looks amazing! Lookin’ good Jen!
I'm glad you let me know this Jen. I was about to make my first box purchase and as a TRANS woman I'm tired of giving money to those that think I shouldn't exist, that spread hate, thank you for letting me know.
I ended my FFF subscription over this situation, as well. I know it's a big loss for you, but I admire you doing the right thing. I align just about 100% with your values, and I find FFF supporting Musk and X appalling.
I'm glad you stood by your principles Jen, anyone who supports Elon Musk is not someone I could ever support.
Thank you for taking a stand. “Opinions” can be dangerous when supported by hateful rhetoric.
You deserve an MBA for What’s New in Makeup. Having one myself, I know the amount of research you do for each weekly vlog. Maybe a PhD! I look forward to seeing you and savoring your information with my Sunday cup of coffee. Thank you x 100!
Didn’t proof. What’s UP in Makeup.
I stopped my yearly two boxes ago and have found that I don't miss it. I really thought I would but no. I find myself throwing out stuff I got from their boxes all the time. Things that were cute at the time but is mostly just clutter now. I loved the skincare etc. but wound up with so much of it that it goes bad before I can use it. Thank you for letting us know Jen! Never going back now.
Same! I canceled two boxes ago as well. I’m trying to minimize the things in my life not add to the clutter. It’s all just unnecessary stuff. But it can be fun. Sad that you can’t trust any brand anymore
I'm a little concerned that we haven't heard brands in FFF respond to them - where are the people saying they won't work with them? We must take action based on information we have at the time. When we learn new things, we change our perceptions, opinions, and actions based on a fuller picture. We can dislike what someone says, believe they can say it, and still use it to make our own decisions.
I completely understand you and agree but remember that there are business contracts involved...
Not only contracts but the box may simply buy items in bulk in some cases rather than have any business relationship.
@@anad05Thank you for this reminder!
Thank you for the FFF story. I know it must have been disappointing to see that in a product you've liked, but I really appreciate your integrity.
If Susan Yara would stop lying it wouldn’t be so hard for her to keep her story straight. Such a disappointment that she continues to be rewarded for her behavior, but I will never be her customer.
Same, there's so many other underrated brands to buy from and good OG brads I trust.
Jen, you are 100% correct in your views of FFF. Those on here who are trying to tear you down because of your views? Trolls........all of them.I also LOVE when someone says "self reflection", i.e. Susan Yara , they ACTUALLY mean " I got caught being shady". Great video.
I left “X” altogether- I just can’t even support the platform anymore by being a member. As long as people are still on the platform, advertisers will continue to pay money to Elon Musk
Damn, you put so much work and research into your videos!! It doesn't go unnoticed!
Damn I thought maybe it was a scorned employee or something, but to know that it was actually serious and real....I will not be supporting them further.
Jen, I am kind of new here. I´ve been joining your lives on Sunday. I am really impressed with your objectivity and your reviews. Today I have a newfound respect for you and I will keep on supporting you because, for me, your values are in alignment with your actions, something that is rare in the influencer scene. And to be honest, that is exactly what I am looking for in the content I consume. Thank you!
The vanilla, tonka bean, passion fruit one definitely sounded the best when you were reading them all off! Fragrance is so hard. Like I don't even understand what I like or how to identify notes in anything.
as a student of History, Elon's and others sort of propaganda is very similar to another group's (rhymes with Yatzy). What makes me scared is people are buying it and calling those who don't follow their line of thought the real fascists.
So what Disney does is okay then? Lol
@dobcsek and what are they doing that is similar to fascism?
@@alyssabrown-carleton6173 they might have proved my point.
Yeah, I'd considered going back to FFF when I saw what was happening with them. Never gonna happen now
I was contemplating discontinuing FFF for other reasons and this was the final one I needed. Just canceled it.
Sikhs (me) felt an internal connection with Jews because of how we have been always targeted by people in power and atrocities we had to face. Having said that (this might be a little too political) I cannot agree with what is happening in Gaza by using Hamas as an excuse. And before anyone say it- Of course, they initiated it (this time) and of course they were wrong. But two wrongs does not make a right.
Me too!
An “editor in chief” for such a brand means that she’s the person in charge of all the written materials associated with the brand. This means that she and her subordinates are responsible for the post on X. They wrote it, checked it and allowed it to be posted.
Thanks for sharing this! Would love a fff fallout update in the future after people cancel
So, I’m not a businessy person. I only just started my own business and it’s going to most likely stay small by choice. Is it normal for companies to approach someone or to be in talks with someone, about having them become a founder or co-founder without them being involved from the very beginning? I always thought that part was a weird explanation, but I assumed it was a practice I just wasn’t familiar with. That being said, I’m unsurprised that it’s coming out that Susan was actually involved from the beginning… because that’s what a founder is…
Also, Fab Fit Fun can go… well, you know.
Nobody is entitled to an opinion that denies the basic human rights of any person. We must NOT be tolerant of intolerance. The Paradox of Tolerance explains why.
I REMEMBER THE BATTLE OF THE SUBSCRIPTION BOXES!!! Memory unlocked!!! I loved those videos Jen!!! How long ago was that? 😅
Thank you for being as transparent as possible
Thanks for this information. I'm due to renew in spring, and now that won't happen. Better companies to give my money to.
I almost got my trans girlfriend a FFF annual subscription for Christmas. Good thing I found this out before giving them my money
Your comment raises an interesting problem for voters. In Congress the other day, Elise Stefanek questioned the heads of four of the most prestigious colleges in the country because they didn’t condemn outright or “punish” the pro-Palestinian protests of students that also called for the elimination of Israel and Jews.
In this case, although the First Amendment Right applies only to the government not curtailing free speech, the Congresswoman and the nuanced answers of the college heads did not agree. This, as Jen points out, , creates confusion, chaos, antipathy. At least one college President has resigned. But the question remains: how can you enforce a policy touching on free speech BEFORE THAT POLICY IS ACTUALLY CREATED? (Apropos of that: did FFF have a policy about language in their ads?). I don’t think a single president, before that committee, had the power to “punish” such speech without a college wide policy. Certainly they didn’t in the sixties when anti-war speech and activity was a lot more disruptive. So expecting that they should now is absurd. Can anyone anticipate being hit by the bus? Just about the same probability.
Jen is right about how offensive the speech is whether it calls for death for Asians, Blacks or Jews - same vile hatred, not to say uneducated and creating of an antagonistic atmosphere in a democratic society where this kind of hate-filled speech is unwarranted. Why unwarranted? Because this country was founded on intellectual ideas - NOT on the basis of what group or religion you came from. In fact, even if all the founders were Christian they weren’t all from the same church! Even their Christian beliefs varied. So it takes a lot of nerve, stupidity and “sleepwalking” (unwoke, if you will) to wrap your bias in the American flag and think that you know the Word of God or have absolute Truth! That applies to the protesters, but it also applies to the Congresswoman. She wants to label protestors “woke” as if that were a dirty word but she doesn’t have it right either because a democracy calls for INTELLIGENCE and TOLERANCE, especially from its leaders. THE PROTESTORS THEMSELVES WERE OBNOXIOUS, INTENTIONALLY SO. Congresswoman Stefanek was as well.
The Congresswoman jumped at the chance to make otherwise educated people look stupid and unprepared. They obliged by being “professorial.” In her own way, she was as much a chaos creator as all those student groups. She comes from the right and they from the left - both are wrong. The Truth is that in a democracy no group can afford to call for the elimination of another when they are protesting. Neither the protestors nor Ms. Stefanek are morally pure, and being older, she should know better, but being MAGA she’s lost her sense of balance.
Katie's profile at fff also says she is a co-founder. So does that mean there were originally 4 co-founders? Just curious.
Thank you for such a thorough and well spoken video on the topic! Posting to give this video a boost for the algorithm!
The FFF CEOs are very out of touch with target market and just with the everyday person. Most of us see Elon Musk as a bigot and a giant rich toddler who steps on the backs of very talented people but takes all the credit. I've noticed a lot of rich men or very wealthy men idolize Elon Musk, my own boss and owner of the company I work for completely idolizes that bigot. Most of the time, he doesn't mention EM but when he does, the thoughts of just walking out flood my mind. But bills need to be paid and nothing else is wrong there but if a good opportunity comes up, I'm definitely taking it. I cannot stand ppl who support EM and are his fangirls and the thought of supporting & working for someone who thinks like EM is a no no.
Funny that you used " no no," isn't that a word toddlers use? Pot and kettle come to mind..just saying..
Thank you for covering the FabFitFun CEOs! I would never have come across this ad, I don’t pay attention to their socials
I did the noteworthy quiz and hated all of the scents I was sent! lol!
Yes, I do agree with you about Susan Yara.
I love the outfit and makeup. You're honest and that makes a huge difference. I recently started watching your Fab Fit Fun videos, so this sucks on the video end of things, but it worked while it worked ❤ I hope you're doing okay in that respect. I know I'm not going to try their service, now.
You always say and stand up for what you believe in. Thats admirable! Keep it up! Hope the weather clears up.
Thank you. THANK YOU. THanK yoU!! Mad respect for your perspective and delivery. Also, I'm disappointed in FFF.
I will say, while I certainly understand it's hard to put aside your personal bias when it comes to friends. I wish you had brought this same level of skepticism and passion to your coverage of Makeup Geek Academy's MLM controversy last week
Now, we have to figure out as a society everywhere in the world if "Hate Speech" is "Free Speech". I think that it is but because it is harmful there should be repercussions. It can lead to actions where beings get hurt.
Hate speech is not free speech. Not all speech is protected