Missing 411: The Aaron Hedges Mystery Revisited
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2023
- Aaron Hedges went missing in the Crazy Mountains of Montana in 2014. Despite the fact that these mountains are extremely easy to navigate, and have only one other serious missing person case in the last century, Aaron was not found for several years. What happened? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge…
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I grew up in Montana. Here is some context that can help. Hunters are very concerned about wildlife rangers and get very dodgy, especially if a kill was on private land. Rangers are very aggressive with their investigations in MT. Also, they could have been hunting in public land. But after the elk got shot, then it ran to private land and died. It happens a lot because elk will stay in non hunted private land since no one hunts them there, and when they get shot, they will try to run to safety in the private land. This would make sense to me why they were angry at their friend, not helping them clean and move the Elk. They would have been nervous in case a ranger would come by, and they would have wanted to move the Elk as fast a possible. If they were planning on poaching, they would have had a vehicle, and all of them would have been together. As for the gun only having 3 bullets. He probably had more and then shot them off in 3s to get the attention of his friends, but they were not searching for him. Then he probably kept 3 bullets in case he heard or saw someone to get their attention. 3 shots are known for signaling distress. Looks like to me 3 friends over confidant about their skills and not realizing how the cold, drinking, alcoholism, and prescription drugs can affect a person.
Exactly
I'd love to live in Montana. Sounds like heaven to me. What are your favorite small towns?
@@travisn346 I from montana it’s nice I lived up upper north west, more mountains
Great points
I can’t speak for the hunting laws in other states because I’ve only ever hunted my home state of Iowa. But here if you shoot an animal on public land or private land you have permission to hunt and it wanders onto another’s property after you wound it, you are allowed to go onto their land to track the animal.
the alcohol being omitted COMPLETELY changes the context of this story.
He did
38:56 Three shots in rapid succession is a very well known SOS signal. Could have been that he was trying to get someone’s attention went through at least 3 shells and decided to save the last three for if he knew someone was close.
This is the most logical reason I've seen to explain why he had the 3 rounds left.
beat me to it :-)
This is the answer.
Or he could have used the shots to scare off animals also
@@TheOrginalPrincessColey won’t really scare off most predators. Most actually recognize them as a dinner bell. Bears have learned that a majority of the time it means a prey animal has been killed
As a former Xanax addict I want to point out that benzos can actually cause irritability. When you start to come down off the effects it can cause extreme anger and/or sadness. I got into multiple fights with friends of mine as the benzos I was taking began to wear off. So it is completely possible that the benzo was causing him to be irritable.
I have to agree with you. My best friend was prescribed Xanax and when her doctor stopped giving her them, it was hell. I can't imagine what that feels like but the way she treated people tells me it's no joke.
I also agree. Xanax made me irritable and bitchy. I fought with my friends and family & wouldn’t even remember after the fact.
I can also back this up as a former addict
i was never physically addicted to them. All of my irritability occurred while i was under the effects of the medicine. They prescribed Xanax for a short time after i was diagnosed with ms in 09 because i was having a hard time dealing with it. I hated the way they made me feel & eventually the Dr switched me to klonopin which had a much less drastic effect on me. Now I did end up addicted to the handfuls of pain pills (then eventually fentanyl patches) the drs had me on & i would get super irritable when i was kicking that shit. I haven’t taken a narcotic to get high in over eight years. I ain’t ever going back there! ✌🏻 to all my other addicts in recovery. to those still in the trenches, i pray every day to lift y’all up
Thank you for pointing this out. I've had friends who have been on them and a former significant other who was addicted to them. For him to say they don't cause irritability was very confusing to me.
I'm a hunter, getting fined for poaching isn't something you'd be more afraid of than losing a fellow hunter and friend. Something is very fishy with this case, poaching aside.
I agree!
I think your underestimating the nature of a human. But yeah it's all fishy, or just three guys just this genuinely stupid.
Do you think he was killed by his friends? Or ufo?
@Lauren Mazzonna not necessarily killed by his friends. I believe they didn't care what happened to him and let him go astray. If they were truly his friends they would have canceled their hunting trip to get him the help he needed. They were absolutely negligent in this case, maybe not criminally but this case did not sit right with me personally. No dead animal is worth losing someone you're supposed care about.
They were just self absorbed idiots. Not real friends
I think the creepiest part of this story is the quote, "The grizzlies aren't here yet, but they're coming."
Thank the DNR for that. A few decades ago there was a plan to introduce a small population of Grizzly bears to help keep the black bears and mountain lions population numbers under control. It was quickly abandoned when the Rangers realized it would not only be extensively time consuming to aquire wild Grizzlies, and that introducing 1000lb apex predators built like tanks into a zone with no natural predators was a very very bad idea
Oops! 🐻
@@Junglehunter677 I heard on the news that a judge just ordered them to make a plan to bring them in.
It could be cause grizzlies are there west of Yellowstone county, where the crazies are located. Maybe they hibernate near by
Yeah. Thanks to the "get back to nature the way it was before white folks ran off the predators" folks
I'm a doctor and have some experience in treating alcohol dependence. Alcohol withdrawal isn't like opioid withdrawal - it's not just unpleasant, but dangerous.
It frequently causes intense agitation and hallucinations, as well as seizures, which can be fatal.
Chlordiazepoxide is pretty much only used for alcohol withdrawal in the UK. It has a fairly long half-life (around 30 hours) which means it can provide a very smooth taper.
It is also believed to be more anxiolytic (good at reducing anxiety) and less hypnotic (sedating/drowsy) than some other benzos. The thinking goes that this could make it a bit safer than a more sedating benzo if the patient were to drink while taking it.
Still a very bad idea though, as this could easily cause severe impairment and could lead to overdose. In the UK it's only really given in an inpatient setting or under close supervision in the community.
This is conjecture, but my guess is that Aaron did intend to detox himself up in the mountains. Many patients don't like loved ones seeing them during detox, and it isn't unheard of for people to head out into nature, whether for spiritual reasons or just to get away.
In-patient detox can also be very expensive, especially in the US. So if you don't want to do it in the community with your loved ones, and you can't afford inpatient, taking yourself off to the mountains could seem like an attractive option.
If this was Aaron's plan, he likely would have saved the chlordiazepoxide and would be drinking on the trip, but potentially starting to taper down (which fits with "drinking less than he usually would on a hunting trip".)
Tapering down can also cause agitation and might cause paranoia, disorientation, hallucinations etc depending on how much he drank and how quickly he tapered.
To add to that, even if he was fine when he begun the taper, once he started taking chlordiazepoxide he would have had to titrate it accurately to ensure the detox went as smoothly as possible.
Too much, and the benzos would cause confusion, impaired judgement etc. Too little, and alcohol withdrawal could also cause confusion and impaired judgement, along with paranoia, hallucinations, and - potentially - fatal seizures.
This could explain why he was so close to the ranch. Perhaps he was paranoid, or too impaired to realise. Or maybe he wanted to stick it out and complete the detox out in nature, but the snowstorm overcame him.
I have no knowledge of hunting, or this part of the world, but I do know a bit about alcohol detox and chlordiazepoxide, so wanted to contribute!
As a recovering drunk, I too have some experience. You have to be pretty far gone to experience the kinds of withdrawal symptoms that you are describing. I was in and out of treatment centers for 25 years, only the last time did I experience withdrawals that impaired in any way and I walked in blowing a .41 (walking, talking and I remember much of it) I think if he had progressed that far into alcoholism, his friends wouldn't have even wanted to hunt with the guy. A person is never truly sober at that point. My guess is he wasn't continuing sobriety, had stopped taking his med, was agitated because he wanted to drink and went off by himself so he could drink. Drunkenness in dangerous elements is a recipe for death, and he got lost because he was drunk.
I hope your first paragraph is just poorly written. Opioid withdrawal can definitely be very dangerous and deadly just like booze. It can cause all those things you listed for alcohol withdrawals.
Thanks for your contribution, I found it very interesting. I think your professional experience gives it great value.
1. Alcoholics can be very secretive, and his friends may not have realized how much trouble he was having. 2. Opioid withdrawal can be fatal, but the admittedly brief search I just did fails to distinguish between older forms, like heroin, and newer ones like fentanyl. Heroin withdrawal was unpleasant, but did not require medical supervision.
@@scallopohare9431 hi ☺ Sounds like you over came an addiction. Congratulations. I'm proud of you. ♥
There's no opioid/illegal drug (I don't consider Marijuana a drug in this scenario) that cannot be fatal when withdrawing. It's major trauma on your body both physically and mentally (probably preaching to the choir lol), so seizures, blood pressure issues, clotting, suicide, etc...can quickly happen. That's why they always recommend addicts seek help when they detox.
I have a malignant brain tumor and I was on a huge dose of Oxy. Almost 300 mg a day. I decided to use weed for my pain and stopped cold turkey. The 4th day, I thought I was going to die and I tolerate pain like a boss. Lol 😂 It was horrible. I hadn't slept and I had restless legs, but all over. The 5th day I finally called my doctor and told him what I did and he went off. He sent me to the emergency room and they gave me a muscle relaxer, nausea meds, and something to knock me out. I slept for 18 hours straight. Woke up and I was fine. I had to have brain surgery again and I wasn't touching shit.
Anecdote, I took benzos and drank and ended up trying to take money out of an ATM. My friend informs me the ATM in question was actually a bush so getting lost and making bad decisions leading to death totally checks out
I know I’ve done some stuuuupid stuff while on the two, or just too many benzos. I’m trying to think of some examples, but that’s just the thing. I can’t remember! Idk how I got out of that segment of my life, but I’m glad I did
Honestly it seems like the MOST plausible answer, because there’s really no other theory that makes enough sense. His buddies gave absolutely no reason or motive to kill him beyond agitation. Their actions and hesitation seem based on the fact they did two stupid/illegal things; poaching and leaving an alcoholic in the woods for a “cleanse”. They didn’t expect/want Aaron to die.
Guilty of making dumb decisions, not of murder. I agree.
I bet statistically people die way more often from dumb decisions than murder.
Maybe it was a plan to end hi. All along...just a possibility
@@stealthwarrior5768 100% plausible, but I’m still in the firm belief of the former theory. Regardless, if Aaron had intended to take his own life I doubt he wanted to rope his knucklehead friends into it and this was just an unfortunate series of events.
Aidan, look into the phenomenon called Delirium Tremens. It is a sort of confusion that affects some people when they quit heavy use of alcohol cold turkey. It would account for strange behavior and poor decision making, and is sometimes mistaken by people for being really drunk, which would explain the text about "contact me when you are sober".
yeah, we don't have radio logs, but the nature of those conversations might have been angry.
He has benzo prescribed to him to prevent this.
@@MarvinHartmann452 that he clearly wasn't taking regularly since he wasn't out of them yet
@@richardmoore609 Do you know how many he had left. Maybe he was going to finish the course of the benzos on the trip.
Regarding the revolver being shot and it being half-loaded - it's fairly well known almost universally among hunters/outdoorsmen that 3 shot evenly spaced out is used to signal needing help/assistance and/or being lost.
I saw this but someone made an interesting point, what model was his .44? Bc if it was a 5 round cylinder then the SOS theory goes out the window, otherwise it makes perfect sense
Did the revolver still have the spent cartridges in it. (half loaded) If they were missing and he only had three bullets in it I would say was down to 3 bullets.
Great video. One thing I wanted to mention was that Greg had never met Aaron prior to this trip, so that probably explains his attitude during questioning. Also, alcohol withdrawal can cause hallucinations (so called "Pink Elephants") so that could also explain why Aaron was "lost" or simply refused to come down out of the mountains when he still could.
In Finland that is called “night of the lizards”. When I was a kid I thought it was some kind of attraction, like a haunted house or something. My disappointment was immense when I learned it wasnt.
@@phillipstroll7385 You are a sick dude Phillip. Get some help.
@@phillipstroll7385 You're a psycho
@@phillipstroll7385you're the one that gets dick Cheyney'd on the hunting trip lmfao, after all god would've lead u to that moment.
@@phillipstroll7385 - If you were really a Christian, you'd know that the Lord commands us -- meaning it's not optional -- "Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself." -- Galatians 6:2-3
In other words, if you come in contact with *anyone* who is suffering and you have the power to help them, you really ought to. I doubt if any of the people involved in this case were Christians, and if you want to be one, I would suggest that you spend more time reading God's word and trying to follow His commands. We all fail, and I doubt there's any Christian who acts perfectly as God commands, because the only perfect human ever was Christ. That being said, if you want to truly follow Christ, one of the best places to start is by learning forgiveness.
If Aaron had truly not met Greg before the trip, I'd say Joe wasn't a friend to him at all. If Joe was aware of what Aaron was going through, alcohol shouldn't have even been considered an option, and he shouldn't have been allowed to wander off on his own for any reason. Maybe he didn't know? Based on this video, it's really hard for me to tell.
You've been more than respectful and supportive of David Paulides . There's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out important facts that he's left out of this or other cases. The dignity of an accurate and truthful story is owed to the victims
David Paulides causes 90% of his own problems. He’s petty and childish.
The little details that you said David Paulides got wrong weren't really important to the story at all. Not from the Missing 411 standpoint. David Paulides deserves some mention and respect for bringing this case, and many others, to light. Without his research, books, and movies, I don't think anyone would've told the stories of all the Missing 411 victims.
Very, very well said. No dignity lost when the truth is coming forward. Details some may not know, that others have come across. Well said.
Have to add….this tale is the one that stayed with me having seen the film. But…leaving out the fact of alcohol problems…well, if I’d known about that I’d have taken a wholly different view. It was an important omission.
Maybe Paulides felt it was disrespectful to share the addiction aspect of things with the general public? Not everyone agrees with sharing that kind of information with the public for many different reasons. Not saying I agree, I do think it seems crucial to this particular situation, but IT IS a way that some people might see the subject matter. Might've considered the negative views it brings to people, situations, etc...Something to consider when discussing an issue like addiction. People that deal with addiction issues can, and are treated very poorly by the court system, the public, etc...unless people understand exactly what's going on, or think they do. I think this may have even been an issue that he could've been asked to leave out of the story for whatever reasons. As someone that personally knows what can happen to people when they deal with issues such as these, especially ones where the law can get involved, different states have different laws, and so on, it can be a very touchy issue that people want to stay away from for many reasons, including how people look back at his life, memory, etc...There might be children involved, and this was their father. Does this make sense to people reading this, I hope? You guys are all intelligent, capable individuals. I would be curious to hear Paulides reasons for leaving details like these out of this story? Giving him the benefit of the doubt with this one due to the subject matter. It obviously was very much an issue in this individuals life that everyone was aware of. It seems like they essentially let him go out there in a bad way, but perhaps they didn't have a say re whatever he was doing? Something wasn't right about the combination of medications the doctor was giving a known active user. Benzodiazepines with or without Alcohol, he probably passed out, and that was it. That's actually a dangerous combination of stuff no matter what the conditions, but out in the cold like that?
Having grown up around gruff outdoorsmen my whole life I can say that it isn't out of the ordinary for an irritated man who feels abandoned by their friend to call someone that said friend would definitely be in contact with [such as a wife or parent] and say 'is (person) alive?' as a means of showing your frustration with their disappearance/abandonment.
Additionally, telling someone who is likely to have constant and uninterrupted cell service to call the authorities to report a missing person in a remote area seems like a good practice, especially if you came down to a place with service specifically to make calls to try and locate or get a report on the person and plan to go back into the wilderness looking for them once your calls are done.
I can’t thank you enough for covering these stories in an objective way! The way David Paulides not only refuses to update cases, but also leaves out a lot of information and lashes out at anyone who tries to call attention to this is really disheartening. It makes you question every other case he covers…
He is a fraud. An obvious fraud.
Paulides doesn't seem to be interested in actually solving cases. I'm surprised more people don't see thru him.
You’re right. Just selling a narrative.
Blocked me for saying the Patterson Gimlin film was a hoax while providing substantial evidence to back my claim.
Yeah. He isn't really looking for the truth behind the cases he covers, but instead convincing people those cases are the doing of Bigfoot. People only take him at face value because of his credentials of being a former professional detective.
Note to anyone wanting to go hiking/hunting with horses, mules or donkeys if you have not had some solid, I mean a good couple yrs experience, with these animals Do Not go out in the woods with them. Best case scenario they are a headache, slow you down a bit maybe lose some of your gear, worst case they will cause serious injury to themselves or you, or cost you your life. These animals need constant guidance and familiarity with their handler. Especially donkeys and mules. There is a reason the saying "they're as stubborn as a mule exists." Be safe you guys, have a plan and a backup plan even if you think you won't need one.
yeah, ANY wilderness ANYHTING hunting or otherwise with animals, you'd better know how to handle that animal VERY well. And also be familiar with the specific animal.
As someone who have tried all three, I concur. If youre going on a short trip with a guide, you can be very green, but longer trips and without more experienced friends.. be prepared. I say this as a senior rider, who got lost in winter for 5 hours (new stables, wrong turn) and couldnt feel my fingers or toes for hours after finding my way back. And when I finally could, I wish I didnt - frostbite pain is something else!
As someone who has gone out mountaining with a horse I knew very well and 15 years of experience, I still barely managed with a horse that was unfamiliar with me. They can get scared even if they don’t soook at anything normally
@@UA-camgavemyhandletosomeone Horses getting spooked, is like the old elephant and mouse thing. it's all about whether it's familiar.... to the horse.
Ok, I want to say this. I appreciate that when you gain new information, or when you make mistakes you admit it and correct it. THAT, alongside how much you show your research and offer alternative answers is part of why I love this channel.
Keep up the good work guys
The phrase: There are no grizzlies yet. But they're coming
Is far more terrifying than any supernatural stories. Grizzlies are horrifying!
you know what’s even scarier than grizzly bears, the fact that uneducated city dwellers think reintroducing them is a good idea
Horrifying my ass, i am going to pet the dog
@@comradeurod9805 Comrade nooo!!
In alpine areas FRS radios can have a much farther reach than in a flat area because the signals bounce off the mountains and thus you are more likely to receive it. I have heard of raidos like they have work only 2 miles when in flat areas but up to 7ish miles in alpine areas. I think the farthest I have ever gotten one to receive was about 4 miles away.
Would that make the (presumably based on the signal direction and distance) map screen unreliable here as well?
I have two of those Rinos. They can send the gps data a lot further than intelligible speech. I've had them update a friends location when he called from 6 miles away when I didn't even receive his voice call other than a click and some static. That was in a mountainous area of Wyoming.
@@jeffreymorris1752 I suppose that makes sense, but is the location going to be accurate with signal bounce?
Radio propagation is a whole can of worms. Would be awesome to get some experts out there and have them run some tests. It's not unrealistic, the distances they claim in their specific case.
@@farmerboy916 The location would be determined using GPS on the device, and sent as coordinates. It takes much more work to transmit a voice signal than a short data signal, hence why the Garmin unit can operate as Jeffery Morris suggests.
Dude you mention Xanax and alcohol and now this all makes 1000X more sense. Really unfortunate, but odds are he just kind of lost the plot if you get what I mean.
Stories like this always push me to give the people involved the benefit of the doubt despite how "guilty" circumstances may make them seem. I have been in almost the exact situation that these two were in, where someone recovering from alcohol abuse went missing in a place they should know well. When I got back home I asked the guy's wife if he'd come back home and then had her deal with a missing person report because I didn't want to have to deal with him again. Naturally a few hours later he returned home, without contacting me like nothing had happened.
Were you getting drunk around your recovering friend like these two idiots were?
Was the person you were with on benzos to stop drinking or were they just sh*t faced the entire time, obnoxious and dangerous.
My mom is an alcoholic who has been in and out of recovery most of my life. She used to insist that various people around her could drink and she would be fine because she didn’t want to ruin anyone’s fun or be an inconvenience. Sometimes she would drink, other times she wouldn’t. To me it just seems like his friends just didn’t know any better about alcoholism to not listen to Aaron, not necessarily being irresponsible.
Both the friends reactions seem like normal responses to feeling guilty for what happened. I think most people would feel some level of guilt if that happened, especially at first. Thoughts like “we could’ve stopped him” or “we shouldn’t have listened to him and bring booze” etc. One friend is ate up with it and the other is doing his best to convince himself and everyone else that it isn’t their fault BECAUSE he feels guilty. Plus it sounds like they happened to be doing some illegal activity on the trip they were trying to cover up.
It’s late. I hope this comment makes sense. Anyway I don’t think the friends were acting weird at all for the circumstances
Ehhh. While someone says that, maybe don't be an asshole and drink around someone who is in recovery, especially if you're going to be in close proximity during something like a hunting trip. 🤷🏻♀️
@@carnuatus I definitely don’t disagree.
Why has this channel not blown up??? Aiden and Aiden are so AWESOME 👏🏻 With exceptional research on the stories! Don’t ever stop what you do Lore Lodge!
On the arrows, as someone who does mostly target shooting. The type of arrows you use for target practice and hunting are different. You do NOT want to use a nice hunting tip on a target, they are insaaannely expensive. If he was target shooting, he would have more than likely used target tips, which are very small. As someone whose shot in prairie areas: it's really easy to loose arrows. If they don't hit the target outside, there is a 95% chance that you are never seeing that arrow again. We have a small piece of land with trees around it out in the country: my uncle's occasionally find my arrows when they mow, because they went into super grassy areas. Arrows can also bury themselves in the dirt. You need a metal detector to find those-if the tips are even made of metal.
The other thing about carbon arrows: they are designed to shatter in a way that stays together. Kinda like how a car crumples. You don't get like, shrapnel everywhere; carbon arrows are more fibrous when they break/shatter. This is for safety. Shooting an arrow can break a weak one, and carbon bows can also break. It's rare but it happens.
But even if the people searching knew the exact direction the guy was target practicing in. Arrows can and will travel 90-120 yards, or further. Depending on the terrain and bow strength.
Long story short: it's not that uncommon that no one found any evidence of an archer shooting there.
I'll shush now
Very true. I've lost arrows in my own backyard when they hit the ground at a shallow angle and slide up under the grass in the lawn and find them days weeks or months later when for whatever reason, the fletchings suddenly just appear plain as day.
To take advice from a chair rat in general is bad . He criticizes David Paulidis he talks about documents he never seen me never left his studio doubt he ever seen bow and arrow . What do you expect 😅
@@pepperkilldevelopment9069another blind Paulides sycophant.
Very interesting story but sadly if drugs/alcohol is involved it completely removes any "logical" explanations because withdrawal will make you do some illogical things
Two takes I got from this, and one thing I want you to know about radios.
1. Radios; There are radio "upgrades", (for lack of a better word), you can obtain that allows the radio to transmit and receive further away. Or the manufacturer underestimated their radios.
2. The lack of clarity for conversation tells me this. While those two men were field dressing the elk, they were more than likely thinking negatively about Aaron the entire time, (maybe even before), and that mindset consumed them and caused their own judgement of their friend to be criticized. They did not care about Aaron after he didn't help them with the elk. They also had alcohol on them and drank around a recovering alcoholic. Those two are assholes.
It bounced around by the mountain. I bet it's 2mi on flat land
@@thedarkmage7373I own and have used Garmin rinos while riding quads and hunting. They are shite in mountainous area. Great for just tracking your path as it had got myself and some friends back when lost one time.
This was also Arron responsibility. If you are in recovery the last place you want to go is where you are used to drinking or know there will alcohol there. They most likely always drank on these hunting trips. Arron probably thought he could handle it because he was on his benzos. He got there and decided he could have a little and it set this in action with the drugs in his system.
Aaron is the asshole.
Glad that someone has the fortitude to point out that most of the missing 411 cases have been solved. Kudos to you on this one, going to listen to a few more.
Most? Yeah I don't think so. Maybe the ones in the documentary. That's a tiny fraction of cases though. There's more than just videos, you know. Reading is good for you anyway.
Casual missing persons enthusiast
I have heard of at least two of them being solved, that is tooootally "most"
Lol facepalm
Any bets on who op voted for? Hehehehehe
@@constitutionalli7522 definitely not "most"
It definitely seems like Greg and Joe believed that Aaron was off the wagon during the trip and were fed up with him causing issues due to his addiction. If they thought Aaron's odd behavior was due to him drinking, they were probably frustrated and didn't think it was their problem to deal with, hence calling Aaron's wife and having her figure out how to find or get ahold of him after they walked away from the situation. That said, leaving a friend you believed to be under the influence alone to his own devices in freezing temperatures with minimal supplies is very hard to justify, especially to investigators, even if it was meant to be a moment of "tough love". Even though it might not be outright foul-play, it's still negligent to leave someone behind in an altered condition. Throw potential poaching charges on top of that and it kinda tracks that Greg and Joe were being a bit cagey and defensive with the police.
In regards to the smaller footprints found in the area, could it be that there was just a discrepancy between the size of Aaron's boot prints and the other lighter shoes he may have changed into while bow hunting? I know that my own hiking boots have a much larger profile compared to my lighter, more flexible shoes and could be mistaken for quite a smaller size when compared
I'm sorry but how is it they're responsibility that a grown man was dumb enough to get lost on his own in the woods.
@@SirRavixofFourhorn I certainly wouldn't say that they're responsible for Aaron getting lost, he left of his own volition, but it makes sense for people to ask why Joe and Greg didn't do more to look for Aaron before leaving the area. It's clear that they didn't want or expect anything truly bad to happen to their friend, though
@@SirRavixofFourhorn being a decent human being is really hard huh?
@@SirRavixofFourhorn Oh I don't know man, maybe because they purported to be his good friends? Regardless of someone's personal issues, and if it were meant to be a "tough love" situation (which has been proven time and time again to be more likely to be harmful than helpful), if you wouldn't take on some form of responsibility to try to help your friend lost in the woods, then you need to do some soul-searching of your own.
@@SirRavixofFourhorn If they knew he was trying to get off the wagon, while drinking themselves and that inadvertently caused him to go missing... Uh. That absolutely is on them. Also, if they were so bothered, why would they even invite him if they were so concerned about his sobriety. However, other behavior of theirs during this whole thing makes me highly suspicious of them.
The first Aaron Hedges video was my first video on this channel. I think it's cool that you guys went back and recovered it with more details and corrections.
I can’t recommend Missing Enigma’s channel enough, as well as his video in this particular disappearance. His video in Aaron Hedges is what lead me to really take a long hard look at Paulides
In fairness, "Is alive?" is something I ask about my friends all the time, even when there's no indication they're in danger and I haven't murdered them. Heck, if I don't hear from a friend from a week or so I'll text *them* to ask if they're alive.
...as we get older, this is someday probably going to turn out poorly.
i was thinking it was a little weird that they seem to be taking that quote literally, lol. i use it just as, "havent heard from you for a while, whats up?" not as in, i actually have reason to worry they died. you make a good point though.. as we get older that might be more risky 😂
i say that to my best friend’s boyfriend when she’s not answering for a few hours while studying or whatever lmfao. i hope that someday it won’t be taken in a bad sense like this.
As a recovering alcoholic I would not be surprised if Aaron had insisted that they bring alcohol because he'd be fine. Then when they went hunting he was either drinking before he lift or he took the alcohol with him when he lift and was drunk when they radioed him. You honestly can't blame them to much for having alcohol especially if they've never really had to deal with it before, which honestly we don't know. I also wouldn't be surprised if Aaron got them the alcohol and gave it to them to show that he was "just fine around it".
Yup. I meant to add that in my comment too
I would agree, but probably what happen in my opinion was Arron though he would be fine because he was on benzos and wouldn't drink. He got there and drank a little and this put everything into action. They probably always drank on these hunting trips. When you are first in recovery, they tell you stay away from places and people who drink. He probably told himself " I can have a little. It won't hurt.'" Do we know if Arron was active in AA at that point. If he had been most likely his sponsor would have told him that is a bad idea to go on that trip still detoxing off of alcohol.
Quiting alcohol cold turkey can kill you. One of the only additions that can. You can be sober for 3 days and just have a seizure. This can really mess up your memory and I could see causing you to wonder off easily.
I was always told if you ever get lost hunting you shoot three shots in the air that would explain why there’s three missing maybe he was saving the last three for a dire situation
They left in three different cuts of Aiden talking about what Joe and Greg said about Aaron’s alcohol abuse to authorities
Thank you for saying this lol I thought I was the only that noticed
@@decaffeinatedcolombian no problem dawg
Did it again about seeing the men on trespass creek or whatever lol
I thought my video broke for a second lmao
I thought I had major deja vu lol
Can you do a video about Christopher Thompkins? It's one of the weirdest cases and I want to see his story from y'all because you do such a good job getting all the right information 🫠
We're can I read about that if you don't mind letting me know?
@Brian Felt It's in the books but I don't remember which one...if you search his name on Google though there are articles and a UA-cam video by the channel Storytelling Imperfectly
@@L3VI_your_th3r1an thanks so much, have a great weekend! I am forever forgetting Goggle lol
Is he the one that left his wife that absolutely horrific voice mail? If so, it’s def one of the most f’ed up things I’ve ever heard in my life.
@Rachel Amsterdam I think the horrible voice-mail is the story of Henry McCabe. The Missing Enigma covered that story a few months ago and added more information than I'd heard before
everytime i've had a friend do something OVER the top and insane, Xanax/Benzos were often involved.
I've had some bad times on them myself and could very easily imagine myself getting lost.
One time a childhood best friend picked me up to go somewhere and he'd already been "popping xannies" and pounding redbulls... well there's a sub division sign made from a brick with a pylon at each corner, As we approached i literally warned him by way of screaming "bro we're gonna hit that shit" (4ish seconds before impact) to which he turned to me, cocked an eyebrow 🤨"Jake i don't hi... gggchchhchCCRRASH"
Especially if drinking was involved since benzos mixes with alcohol. I think the ones i had described were same as this individual in the video, and when i drank as i was taking them even though i didnt go crazy or anything i had blackouts pretty much. I can only imagine how dissorientated you would be in the woods while experiencing that, and then the later withdrawal. Mixing alcohol, and benzos to me felt like i drank way more than i did
@@lalli8152 In my case it was just bars alone. but regardless you're one hundred percent correct, definitely an insane combo
As a truck driver I have a bit of exp with CB radios and also AM band radio. I also am no expert but can say the effective range of radio signals is highly dependent on weather and elevation. A "2 mile" range can be easily extended by either clear sky's or thick clouds. So much so that on a particularly ideal night I have picked up radio signals in Texas that originated as far away as Chicago IL. So take all "range limits" as more of a "in worst case scenario" reach limits in my opinion.
Second also as a truck driver that has Simi regular delivery location I can say, even when delivering to a very very well known to me location, even small changes in mental state or laps in attention can cause you to miss a very obvious well known turn. Heck even time of day can make you feel lost if it's outside your normal. As a primarily night driving trucker, being on a well known road in the day time feels odd many times. Being able to see more is not always helpful when you are custom to seeing limited land marks.
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Back when my son was in active addiction he would drink 2 liters a day of Vodka. 1 pint of alcohol doesn't seem like it was that bad by comparison. However I absolutely can NOT understand why they weren't checking on or looking for their friend, especially if he was acting strangely and knew he was drinking.
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What else was in that cache that Gregg and Joe wanted to deal with/find before the searchers got up there?
Also, why would Aaron take his boots off, if he didn't have his "slippers" with him at the time?
Either whatever they were really doing up there went wrong, and they let Aaron take the fall because he was already messed up- and they were pissed at him- before they understood how far whatever it was would go.
Or they always knew what he was going up there to do, and they just didn't want to tell his wife that...maybe so that insurance would go ahead and pay out to her.
Hunters shed their boots if they’re hunting mobile. If he had left his hunting moccasins he would have had to went barefoot.
So I used to be an addict for a long time and if he were to have still been taking the benzos, by previously not taking them for some reason, and drank on them then the result for sure would have been a uncoordinated and agitated state, especially if he saved the benzos and took them all at once. You stop making sense, can't remember things from 10 seconds ago, can barely stand, and anger is something that comes up quite, quite often with this combo. Not being able to hit a target right in front of you is also extremely likely. In that state it makes total sense that he would have not recognized landmarks and kept going. If this is the case everything falling from the mule was probably his fault too and having been in that state, and had to deal with people in that state, I can understand how his two friends would be so pissed off by that point that they wouldn't want anything to do with the situation and would try and hand it all off to someone else at the first possible instant.
Edit: I know what the doctor said, but I've seen time and time again that doctors don't totally understand how things effect people in actuality because they just weren't taught that part in school. Any addict out there who is familiar with themselves or other people using this combo will tell you the same thing.
Edit 2: benzos at low doses do not cause this but the more you take the more the effects change. Not every drug causes the same effects at low doses or high doses, and mixing in another substance can also change the effects dramatically
I have been prescribed many benzos but have never heard of the one he mentioned...is the one he was on not part of the pam family of benzos?
No they don't do that if you take these as prescribed as you said. I take them as a sleeping aid. I just feel relaxed but nothing close to being impaired. Here they give people librium to prevent delirium tremens and seizures caused by alcohol withdrawal.
@@HorrorHermitofHellit has a long half-life and isn't used much in the US for alcohol withdrawal.
As someone who has spent a ton of time both living and vacationing in Montana, and also have been around a lot of people who've struggled with substance use(and having struggled myself with several substances)I can tell you a couple of things. One, benzo withdrawal makes a person completely insufferable(understandably so, its a BEAR to kick, so no lack of empathy here, just calling it how it is) and benzo use makes them spacy, nonsensical and annoying to deal with(lots of short term memory issues, random nodding, long winded and overconfident spurts of conversation that are usually pure nonsense, lots of gaslighting and denial of being as high as they appear to be, a lack of empathy and inhibitions which sometimes leads to them saying downright cruel shit; not everyone acts like that but SO MANY DO and its legit like trying to deal with a stoned, mean toddler). With the social culture and attitude of a LOT of the men I knew up there, it isnt surprising they brought booze for themselves, may even have given Aaron some to take the edge off and/or got pissed when he snuck some(this wouldve also intensified any benzo effects), and it definitely wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility if Aaron *was* going through benzo withdrawal or alcohol withdrawal, that his friends were so desperate to get rid of his bitchy ass(have literally heard people say this type of thing about their own family members, machismo culture is HEAVY up in Big Sky Country and addiction is looked at as weakness and misunderstood bc ppl "dont get why you dont just stop")who they may have felt were bringing their trip down, that they were fine with him going off because they understood that he was familiar with the area and thought the alone time would chill him out. When they checked in to let him know about the kill, he may have sounded loaded. This also very well may have been the umpteenth time this group had dealt w Aaron being flaky or screwing a trip up w his using or withdrawal, so they may have had a camels back moment, said fuck it, let him figure it out on his own, he knows we are leaving Wednesday so we'll see him then. Come Wednesday when they still hadn't heard from him(remember camels back moment), maybe assuming he'd made it to the cache which might also have had a stash of pills or booze, then assumed he was either high in the woods or at home and sent the snotty texts to him and his girl. Keep in mind, I'm not excusing the behavior or trying to justify it in any way and think it irresponsible and cruel and suspicious as fuck. I'm merely trying to provide some illumination because I have had "fuck it" moments myself, both as someone who has struggled with substance use and having had close people to me who have struggled with substance use, and bc I've seen how those who have not struggled respond to those who have, both in situations of withdrawal and relapse. They absolutely should have shown more concern for him, but may have also been at the end of that rope, having shown plenty of concerns for him over the years only to have that concern either thrown back in their face or used in some way to exploit them. Very selfish and immature, but not outside of the realm of possibility.
If anyone actually read this whole thing, thank you lol
EDIT my description of benzo use is related to ppl who abuse it, not folks who take it normally, for the record.
How would you travel all that distance on drugs and alcohol though? I do find it weird Dave omitted that but I wouldn’t be surprised if his friends and family did not want him to use that out of respect for Aaron.
Either way I just cannot see him traveling all that distance through rugged terrain, in the snow, fucked up on alcohol and benzos. He likely would have injured himself.
He wasn't withdrawing from the benzos. He was withdrawing from alcohol. From the video he was still in a 2-week course of taking them. The kind of withdrawal that you experienced on them is long term abuse. I think the mixture of alcohol and the benzos started him on the horrific journey to his demise.
@@eugeniaskelley5194 benzodiazapine withdrawal can begin as early as a week of consistently taking them, prescribed or otherwise. Furthermore, it isn't just abuse that causes it, long term anxiety patients who take it *as prescribed* experience withdrawal, too.
With all due respect to David Paulides, he is a true pioneer in this field. But I have found The Missing Enigma is more thorough in research and clearly consistent storytelling. I know you have covered Dennis Martin, but I highly suggest you check out The Missing Enigma's videos about that case. David's work is a good starting point, but further investigation is warranted.
He isn't a pioneer I the field. Lots of books were written by other researches on the topic ( where a lot of the older cases were covered) and the Charlie Project documented all these cases before DP claimed it all as his work.All years and decades before Mr P made some money off other people's work.
I’m wondering if the revolver ammo can be explained by him shooting into the air to try and get someone’s attention. But that does bring to attention the questions of how did no one hear the shots if there was multiple ranches nearby.
They likely did but ignored it because it was hunting season.
Honestly no one besides a game warden is going to go gun shots during hunting season
@@thedarkmage7373 3 eavenly spaced out shots is well known stress signal for hunters as well. Its not typical to hear 3 shots like that in hunting, then the person waits a bit, and fire 3 more in same manner. Everyone who knows what that means starts to think somethings up. Because he had fired 3 times makes me think that he was trying to make that signal
This mountain range is so large and the ranches are too. Ranchers probably didn’t hear it cause there are only a couple surrounding ones. Literally miles of land on the ranches of mountains
Getting pissed off at someone for needlessly getting themselves killed is a perfectly normal grief response.
The pissed off guy didn't know him, apparently they had met the day of the trip
@@siegebot82wouldn't that just.. increase that response? Annoyance being primary probably until later.
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt why would you care if some random guy got himself killed?
Paulides seems to leave out important information and/or change details to suit his narrative. He then lashes out at anyone who attempts to correct the record. Some of his fans are also somewhat over zealous in defending him.
I think he's the kind of guy who already make up his mind on the causes of disappearances. He seems that he's a firm believer in bigfoot stories which cloud his jugement.
Sorry for the bad English, it's not my language.
I live in Bozeman and have a friend that worked at a bar Aaron would come in a lot and talk to him. He, my friend, says Aaron was a really nice guy.
Most people I know think there's no doubt the elk was poached. That alone creates a problem. The two friends behavior could be because they were trying to hide the poaching or because they know more about what happened to Aaron then they want anyone to know. It sounds to me like they were not thrilled with his drinking and maybe they let him go on his own because of that and now really feel guilty. I really don't know, no one does but Aaron and the 2 friends. I think there's more to the story than they want to share though.
This brings up something else though. With this case and the Kuntz case from the first missing 411 movie that makes one of both movies major storylines likely nothing more than the usual humans being evil. I hate that Paulides is so willing to bend his own rules to include these cases because it makes it look like missing 411 is just another topic that belongs on coast to coast am and nothing else. That sucks because I really think there's more to it and now the two movies do nothing but make the mainstream think it's all crap. Oh well I guess. Thanks for the good video and so the extra info! That was really well done.
RIP Aaron.
One thing occurred to me... and this is that the two friends seemed SUPER pissed as Aaron. Hard to say why, but it was "I don't feel like talking to you this week" level of pissed.
My take on the Missing 411 thing... is that Paulides is cashing in on other people's misfortune. :/ He's not doing any useful research. He barely even talks about cases, All he accomplishes is "raising awareness".... but muddies the waters while doing so.... and makes money selling books.
I'd agree, and that sucks. It's great he brought attention to it, but muddy the waters is a great way to put it
I have a gift of hearing the unseen, like victims that died, pleading their side on interrogation videos, and feel I can really help find out what happened to alot of these missing people
I've tried to contact David and tell him this but no response. Guess money isn't made if it's solved?
But I really want to help with this gift but no one takes me seriously or calls me back. Like, I know where Dylan Rounds is, but not one person has gotten back to me when I've called EVERYONE to tell them...like David, I think no body is more fame, and it sux for him, and everyone else yelling at me ro help them. If I can help you guys I'd love to...
All I need is a video or audio recording and I can silence front voices to hear the ones behind...the ones missing...
He got "facts" wrong in the Kunz case as well.
@@zoefelix650 that's really interesting! David Paulides says in many of his UA-cam videos that if you have the ability to find a missing person then do it and "I'll make you famous." He loves to say that when he's asked if he's ever used psychics to help find someone. I believe he says to grab one of his books and find a case near you to solve then bring it to him when you figure it out and "I'll make you famous" but "I have never had that happen."
@@marhawkman303 I thought it was interesting and mysterious but I follow his channel here on UA-cam and he buys into far fetched topics really easily.
He also started a series he calls "factual news" where he talks mostly about political topics and spews one sided partisan garbage. I have gotten into many arguments with him on that channel. And I'm not trying to say he's wrong on what he says but to call it factual is a joke and he likes to pretend he's being is news but it's always one side. He hasn't blocked me though which makes me respect him a little more. I don't go get into screaming match kind of arguments I just usually point out that he's only talking about one side of the topics.
I'm getting off topic though sorry. My point is this, I didn't think he was completely motivated by making money at first. I still don't but I think it is definitely a big part of it which makes it difficult to fully believe. He just leaves it some really important details sometimes that are not hard for even myself to find. He claims to do extensive research though so there's no way he's not discovering the important details and choosing to leave them out. So he obviously knows the more mysterious stories are his money makers and he doesn't want to lose that by telling us about things like Aaron's alcohol problem and the presence of benzos. He claims to not cover cases where mental health might be an issue. Aaron was obviously dealing with mental health issues so why would be cover this case when it goes against his major profile points...? The only answer I can think of is money.
Idiots were covering their poaching asses which led to Aaron's demise. Honesty and quick thinking could have aided in a successful recovery. Shame these guys were selfish.
Off topic but I find it odd that the most believable story in your opinion behind the name of the mountain is one where it was settlers just not understanding what locals meant.
Number of times it’s happened is crazy
You should look into how common it is. Its everywhere
Yeah, misunderstandings like that were super common back then
Could have been a name that got reinforced with time after that initial mistake
Another great video! I'm kind of obsessed with the missing 411 files, well done well researched!
My only criticism, a map showing the points of finds, camps, etc, would be great addition. I agree with what was said about the pistol only having three shots left for signaling and that three has possibly been fired. I know several people who only walk around with five rounds loaded so the hammer sits on an empty chamber. JS
Another great video guys! Keep up the amazing work!
It's beyond frustrating knowing the many claims Paulides has made regarding the authorities refusing to provide him with information, only for him to turn around and knowingly not provide all of the information to his viewers and readers simply for the sake of sensationalism. Anyway as far as this case goes, I think it's entirely possible that Aaron's friends had simply come to a last resort of using a tough love approach regarding his alcoholism. Perhaps they thought the best thing for him was to just "man up and get through it", maybe do some soul searching in the wilderness for a few days, and assumed that he'd be fine otherwise considering his level of outdoor/hunting experience. As sad of a conclusion as that or any other simple explanation would be, I can only assume that Paulides chose to omit that aspect of the case because that's not what sells books and documentaries.
Paulides causes so many problems by intentionally hiding information, he blocks people asking simple questions, he demands people “not use his stories”, because he doesn’t actually care about the individuals involved, they are simply “stories” to him.
DP always says if there’s a known history of substance abuse in a case “we won’t touch it.” That could be why he left it out, because then he wouldn’t have a story.
@@ZombieSazza once I heard him say “I had a case” as if it was his lol
@@drdr-wh1rk It really is a shame that he views it that way. It's as if he's forgotten that these are real people with families who love them and need closure.
@@ZombieSazza Very true!
I was born and raised in Big Timber Montana, a town in Sweet Grass county. I grew up hearing about this, I know the ranchers who found his bones, and I’ve hunted in the same area as his remains were found. It is such a bizarre situation and everyone in my home town was convinced the two other hunters killed him. Still a very very bizarre set of circumstances.
Why did everyone think the two other guys killed Arron?
I live in Montana and we have one of the highest rates of alcoholism in the country .😢
I really resonate with you on a personal level. Already saw lots of this dude on other channels. But your take is better.
Good stuff as always bro.
Missing enigma is soooo gooood! Love when my favs have crossovers lol, great work, keep it up! (and also as always i appreciate as an indigenous person how you address indigenous ppl and issues )
He really is great
I found this story fascinating while watching the missing 411, and I really appreciate this follow up with further information!
Great video as always. =] Some clarification on what was meant by Grizzlies are coming... haha it does sound really ominous but there are two main grizzly populations around here. The Yellowstone group and Glacier group. They are both growing and extending their ranges (they are not officially connected yet, but there are some reliable sightings that suggest they are extremely close if not already) but as the Yellowstone group expands to the northeast they will definitely get to the Crazies in the not too far future.
I live near the crazies and there’s been grizzlies here for awhile now. Fwp never confirms it but my eyes say different
Apply Occam’s Razor - the simplest answer is the most likely: he got lost and died.
The thing is, from what I remember, one of the more rare side affects of benzodiazepins are increased suicidal thoughts. So if Aaron was previously in the state of mind that made his brother afraid he might kill himself, maybe even without mixing alcohol and benzodiazepins (although that seems very likely to have happened) he might have gone to this trip with a plan to kill himself. That would explain why he didn't go to the ranch or generally call for help.
I believe they must of had a big falling out, probably while drunk, and Aaron took off “to get his things”, probably more alcohol stashed on the mountain, and they got pissed because he wouldn’t come back to help them so they left him, then he wondered around the woods probably drunk and high and died because he was reckless and probably suicidal. The end
What's also crazy, is that the story about the pioneer woman running off into the mountains, took place the same year as the infamous Donner Party incident.
Btw, when carrying an revolver, the majority of people don’t put a round in the cylinder directly under the hammer.
So a six shooter would only have 5 rounds loaded. Meaning he potentially fired the 2 shots as an audible beacon.
Lol not sure I'd say the Crazy Mountains are EASY to navigate. The thing that bugs me about this case is the politics of access up in the Crazies, which doesn't really appear to be relevant here, but with all the fights over public access these past 20-30 years, it feels like it might be mixed up in this somehow. I agree the friends behaved very suspiciously, but it is easy to get hurt and die. And older gentleman in Billings just fell from the cliffs that surround town while on a bike ride, in a high use public access area, and was found deceased a day or two later. That happened with 110k people around, right in the city itself. I changed how I hike & camp at 50, just out of common sense, and no longer adventure so independently and spontaneously because no one wants to leave a horrible mystery for their family.
a woman was found under a christmas tree after being dead several days in the CITY CENTRE TOWN QUARE CHRISTMAS TREE LITERALLY PEOPLE RIGHT THERE
The land owners commonly graze their cattle on public land but then raise hell when the public set foot on their private property. It's like that all over the Northern Rockies states. The landowners lease land to hunting clubs and dude ranches adjoining public lands with the understanding that their clients have access to lands both public and private. In other words, the borders between public and private lands can be and are crossed by the hunting clubs and dudes but cannot be crossed in the other direction. There's a lot more money to be made (10x or 20x) by leasing land to hunting clubs and dude ranches than can be made by just running cattle. There's several instances in my area of the hunting club admins literally kidnapping non-club hunters who wandered on to club land. In one instance, the kidnapped hunters were hauled up into the hills and booted out, left to find their way back. That was settled out of court. It was never prosecuted. The problem is money and profit. That shouldn't surprise anyone.
The whole missing the turn seems more like he wasnt thinking straight, theres plenty of times when you get your mind set on something then realize you went right by a thing you needed to do because you were too caught in thought.
Missing a turn is pretty easy indeed
Thanks for answering a TON of questions I had. Most excellent job
Outstanding content as always 💜 also good day- your hair is on point, duder!
Thanks for telling the truth as best you can with these stories, unlike some people. You are not alone when it comes to noticing that Mr. P has a bad habit of leaving out potentialy key details, seemingly to remove evidence of mundane explanations.
Or did Aaron know they were poaching and was not happy about it. Maybe he tried to tell them they were doing something illegal and they, or at least Greg, was NOT happy and "dealt" with him.
Great commentary!
Saw this same story on MrBallen and wow there was so much more details left out that you provided. Keep up the good work. Love the mysterious content community on YT.
The three shots left in the revolver tracks. It’s a near universal hunting safety protocol to fire three shots to signal for help if you’re lost or in danger, and assuming the revolver was only six shots, he’d only have the three live rounds left in the cylinder. 38:40
For being in sight of the ranch, he may have arrived in the area during the snow storm and visibility was too limited to know he was within a short distance of rescue?
This was my exact thought watching the video. It was a very heavy snowfall and it would have been hard to see anything in the snow.
This seems like a classic case of hypothermia. Cold weather and inefficient equipment added to the pair of boots abandoned randomly and the likelihood of alcohol all spells hypothermia.
My theory was Aaron got drunk with them and was talking about suicide due to the shame and went off alone planning to end it. Probably had multiple changes of heart and ended up lost and blacked out on benzos that he had saved, explaining the odd circumstances. His friends may have been concerned about consequences and feeling guilty for not going after him.
Well, the revolver was said to have 3 live rounds, which mean, assuming there are no spent casings because that probably would have been noted, that he had intentionally only loaded three, whether only having three initially or being down to his last three, which would also imply there are more spent casings in a group elsewhere
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I literally just watched the first Aaron Hedges video, great timing on my part and great video!
Aaron deserved better friends. He wasn’t perfect and made crappy decisions, but so do we all. At least he was attempting to get better, it’s hard, but he was trying. His friends suck at the whole “friendship” thing.
Great friends that were more concerned about saving their own ass than helping a friend!
Totally unrelated but I've been struggling with some real life and work issues and your videos have been helping me a ton man, reminds me of a nostalgic time me and my friend use to research this stuff together at late night and I've just been using your videos to relax and take me back! Also we got the same Alma mater baby We are! Keep up the good work dude
In my work (hiking trail maintenance) most people put their phones in airplane mode for the week that we are in the woods camping as it drastically improves battery life.
I've been listening and researching the cases that Paulides has done, for a few years now.
There are a number of cases where a bunch of details are just wrong or just missing.
He does deal with a lot of cases by himself though, so I'd expect some details to be questionable.
I'm sure some cases get confused with others at times.
Check out the Charlie Project
Sounds like they got in a fight someone got killed and they’re trying to cover it up
One thing that can happen during alcohol withdrawal is extreme and very real feeling and lucid hallucinations.
I have been unfortunate enough to be in that situation and have recovered. However, I had an episode of alcohol withdrawal while on benzodiazepines which caused EXTREME hallucinations. I did some extremely strange things and put myself in a very serious and strange position which I fully believed at the time. I fully believed I was going to die and ran 3 miles barefoot in the middle of the night.
I only say this because I feel comfortable now and have recovered
You did a great job telling this story
A pint a day is not an insane amount of alcohol. It's actually quite moderate for a functional alcoholic.
Yes, but if I for example started doing that, I would not be functioning haha
@@TheLoreLodge LOL fair enough. Before I quit, I would drink a 5th every night and a handle on the weekends. Never missed a day of work. The human body can adapt to crazy amounts of poison.
@@dirpdanger8839 I mean, speaking as someone who used to live in that delusion, the body doesn't "adapt." It just starts becoming numbed.
I had heard the story of the Morgan family before, but it was about the Crazy Woman Canyon down in the Bighorn Mountains of Wyoming.
Your research in very detailed and impeccable
Congratulations on your new studio! I look forward to seeing it.
If he was drinking then where are the bottles?
I think the one friend who doesn't seem to suck as bad (I think it's Joe?) may have the best theory. I feel like it's totally plausible that Aaron was going to use this trip as a detox, didn't plan to lose his stuff though, had one miserable sleepless night that would have left him disoriented, he had been drinking so that would be affecting him, they know he didn't make it to the cache so he never ended up ever getting anything to warm up or properly sleep, so now he's an alcoholic lost in the woods with no alcohol, not enough stuff to even keep warm let alone comfortable, and all he has in the beginnings of his withdrawals are sensitives...Just a couple hours lost sleep affects your judgement, and those meds would cause him to be a special level of tired where you can still talk to yourself lucidly in your head, but are completely unable to even lift your arms, and you're falling asleep where you stand, because being brand new on any medication that can make you sleepy is like that. He probably wondered the woods physically being sick from lack of alcohol, and being perpetually drowsy and disoriented without any way to care for even his most basic needs, and it all caught up with him.. It's really sad, I've been where he was, also dude needed better friends..
38:40 it is common knowledge to most hunters that if you are lost, you fire 3 shots to signal for anyone around, and if someone hears, they are supposed to shoot 2 shots in response. And for the most part, people only have the gun loaded and don't carry extra rounds. He probably shot 3 times, got no response, and kept the other 3 for in case he thought he was near people or if he needed to fend off an animal. This isn't really an odd situation. The part that is weird is that he did not keep the gun with him after he got there.
This channel is one of the reasons I haven’t completely given up on humanity!!!! More specifically, the actual research conducted by you guys, is seemingly more trustworthy than any known outlet. Please keep at it.
I’m still not buying that it wasn’t his sketchy “friends”…