Did the Michigan State Police Cover Up a Murder?
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In June of 2005, Todd Geib mysteriously disappeared after leaving a party in Casnovia, MI. Despite overwhelming evidence of foul play, police maintain that Todd was simply the victim of an accidental drowning. Many people believe it was something more. Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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0:00 - Intro and Factor Ad
2:40 - Regional Background
11:50 - The Disappearance
23:51 - The Investigation
48:34 - Outro - Розваги
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As far as the title, I'm from Michigan, and in tenth grade we had a state boy come in and talk to the class. Someone made a joke about corruption, and the cop said "There's a lot of corruption in Michigan... A lot." He went into damn near a thousand yard stare where I put the "..."
A couple years ago, some cops in Newaygo county arrested a woman and her bf on some drug stuff. There were two cops. The bf managed to escape and run off. When the cop who ran after him caught him and returned, the gf had been shot twice in the back of the head, while handcuffed. It was ruled a suicide. The answer to the question is yes, but maybe not in this specific case.
I mean Detroit has been full of corruption for the last 40 years, probably longer. But yeah unfortunately it permeates throughout our entire state
can i get some more info on that second story, like what i should type into a search engine to find it
Christ...
The flagrancy is mind blowing.... they're not even trying to hide it anymore
Wtf! I wonder how many suicides in the us are really cover ups for murders
My Minnesota Ojibwe college roommate told me that he thought their ancestors had encountered the Vikings. We were both huge history nerds so it was a lot of fun so we had tons of fun talking about all kinds of stuff.
I’m definitely gonna give it a look
@@TheLoreLodge sorry for the random double typed bit in the last one I'm at work listening to this.
What the fuck does that have to do with this murder?
@@TheLoreLodge This was always my interpretation of our history, but you did a great job covering our history for sure.
@@TheLoreLodge this video was really good. Vikings meet native Americans, native Americans make a prophecy after invoking 7, and we get teased with another pattern to explore.
Believe me, I was born and raised in Michigan 60 years ago and I am telling you to look at how many unsolved murders, cold cases, missing people in Michigan. It’s way to many, just count them.
and some of the cases get so little coverage and are within a small area. tamara and iris perez are just gone somehow and no one is talking about it
My son in law drown in Lake Michigan. His body wasn't found for a week. His body couldn't even be dressed and obviously had to have a closed casket. This was from what water and decomposition does in the water. How the police or corinor couldn't realize this guy hadn't been in the water for 3 weeks/nonths is beyond me. There wouldn't be hardly anything left to identify him after months in the water
The Great Lakes are very cold, especially at the bottom. Bodies tend to not decompose, because bacteria doesnt grow on them. Its cold in Michigan, sometimes, 7 or 8 months a year. In Superior, there are 200 year old bodies that can be seen in shipwrecks. "Superior it is said, never gives up her dead.."
@@mikeborsum8881 But this was not one of our Great Lakes. This was a normal lake out in the woods, and the smaller size means it would get plenty warm in summer. A three week old corpse out in that lake probably shouldn't even be recognizable anymore.
@@getoutofmyface it’s not connected but one our lakes in Wa state turns people into soap.
If it's being investigated by Canadian Police... That explains everything. At least, for us Canadian's. Ineptitude to the max to say the least. haha
They knew it hadn't, they just didn't care
I think the fact that the dogs tracked him to a highway and then the trail went cold could possibly be the fact that yes dogs are sometimes unreliable but it's also possible that he walked that way and got tired and started hitchhiking or even someone just pulled over when they saw him walking and offered him a ride and he accepted and then that person did something not very nice
Thats exactly my thoughts. He must have been alive for some weeks somewhere and was drugged and somehow he died,wether it be OD, murder, both, etc, and was left in the lake. Absolutely tragic😢 definitely sounds like foul play
@@bunnylebowski4465
That seems likely. (especially re: the drugs. And I mean, yeah, he WAS loaded, willfully or not, and when he died; he did it lit up on an 'heroic' dose, apparently...
Then, someone did something bad, and later there was an accident/overdose/fight/flight, etc; A panic or poor decision ensues and his body was put in the lake... I dunno what the timeline really was, and it's likely it won't ever be known. So-
IMHO and experience, the best bet is likely on an unfortunate guy (who was found with a lot of *wink-wink in their system) probably died, and sometime later, ended up in the lake.
(OR, the explanation could be as prosaic as his body being found by a landowner or bunch of teenagers, who decided: 'EFF THAT! I am NOT gonna etc, (again): I'm on parole/busy/an asshole/don't care, etc)!'
Cheers. (so it goes, I suppose. Sry for uncompleted responsr)
Who gets tired walking a mile and a half ? Specially a 22 yo kid.
@@maccrackin7026I do. And I'm 18
@@maccrackin7026 I don't know, I could do it (as a 22 yr old actually lol) but I'm not gonna assume anything- maybe he had had a long day before the party? it's also possible that it wasn't that he was hitchhiking cuz he was tired maybe he was just walking and someone pulled over and said hey kid you want a ride ( which I feel like happens a lot in small towns) and he accepted? Idk it was just a theory
This sounds like those 2 boys who were murdered by the police on train tracks after they found a dead drop cocaine package. You guys should cover that story actually there’s some weird cover ups in that one
Wendigoon has a great video about that but I'd love to see the lore lodges iteration. Both great channels
@@draydengeorge7853 do you have a title or a name the case is referenced by?
@@southphillylilly the boys on the tracks & a 35 year cover-up
@@southphillylillyWendigoon's is called "The Boys On The Tracks and A 35 Year Cover Up"
The one in Arkansas back when Clinton was governor?
My husband takes Amitriptyline and the first day he started it, he slept eighteen hours straight, and I had to shake him repeatedly to finally wake him up. That nasty side effect only lasted 2 days, but that was at a therapeutic, starting dose level. A large dose, combined with another anti-depressant would be massively debilitating, and would definitely make it difficult to stay awake.
Yup I used to sleep 14 hours on Zyprexa, f*ck that stuff. Glad i was able to get off of it as i dont actually need it.
I would like to add that they're both tricyclic antidepressants, often referred to as the first generation of antidepressants. That is to say the side effects are more severe in them than in "second generation" antidepressants like SSRIs. When I started taking ssri antidepressants, I felt super tired for about a week, maybe two I don't remember, but I wasn't sleeping 18 hours tired...
Ive been taking amitriptyline for years now for pain and insomnia at 40mg, but when i was first put on it, my starting dose was 75mg. I literally could not walk straight, i had to hold on to the walls in my house. I was slurring when talking, and it made my jaw so tight, but the sleep was so good... i came off it after a couple of months because i enjoyed the downer effects of it too much and essentially started abusing it. Tricyclic antidepressants are no joke, they're so addictive. They're not routinely prescribed as an antidepressant for a reason lmao
As a Michigan native....yeah. And as for law enforcement I think it's universal that they don't want to share because they don't want it exposed that they either did a bad/lazy job, they did something highly illegal [like killing someone in custody], or that they're trying to cover up something supernatural/paranormal. And really the first two are like 90% of why they won't talk, and Michigan state police specifically are just a bunch of morons. I've had to deal with them a few times and in this case I highly believe that they know exactly what happened they just can't be bothered to do their jobs and/or they were involved in some capacity and don't want it known, which explains why they went to such lengths to erase information from the internet as best they can and you had to use the Wayback Machine to find stuff.
A wild theory that comes from my uncle who is a lawyer; the night of the party Todd got arrested and no one knew, because police don't have to tell anyone and likely denied him a phone call or the ability to let anyone know he'd been arrested. It's likely he died in jail and they intentionally dosed him and then to cover it up they threw him into the lake and left him there. My uncle has had clients who claim they were arrested and held for weeks without being able to tell anyone and were considered 'missing' until they were finally either released or charged so he thinks this isn't a big leap in Todd's case. I'm not fully convinced, but I think that it's at least a possibility.
Sounds quite possible. Mix ineptitude, malevolence and a lack of transparency and accountability and you can have a potentially deadly - and terrifying - cocktail. Just look at how a lot of the people arrested for January 06 are being treated, years of solitary without trial, and you'll realize that this isn't beyond the realm of possibility.
Omg
Was this the same case where he was on the phone with his parents(?) and the last words they heard him say was "oh shit" before they heard a weird noise and the sound of him running before the phone cut off or am I thinking of a different person?
@@generaleerelativity9524completely different guy
Hell yea dude. Thanks man
Honestly you don't have to talk about the Native Americans that used to live in the area and the history of the area but I personally really like it, it is really fascinating. Thank you.
It's always an unexpected pleasure to hear so much history, eh?!
I love regional history but unless it took place back than I dont really need to know its history when it's a modern turn crime.
It would be like doing true crime that happened in Germany and covering last 2500 years.
Native history is important but it was well over 10 minutes before the "true crime" was covered.
@@somethingclever8916 then watch someone else. That’s literally the best part of the lore lodge.
The regional history was brought up because of how odd things happen in the area more than likely. You'd be surprised how many things can happen in a lot of the older regions that have a lot of ancient feet on them.@@somethingclever8916
@@somethingclever8916 I do get where you're coming from. I personally enjoy both history and true crime so the regional background is a plus for me.
In the beginning of the video this sounded a lot like the disappearance of Brandon Swanson near Marshall, MN. Left a party, got "lost" on a road he knew like the back of his own hand, and last words heard were "Oh shit!" on the phone with his Dad and then line went dead. His car was found no where near where he thought he was. And they have found no sign of him or what happened last I heard. But there's some sketchy stuff in it and *surprise* a lack of local police doing their job.
Pretty sure theres a lore lodge video about that
Yep. Totally related.
There is.
Could the police look up the prescription logs of the drugs in the surrounding area?
@@jongutierrez9116 Every state has a monitoring program for controlled substances. Considering SSRIs and SNRIs are not considered controlled substances, they would probably have to search records of individual pharmacies which I would imagine they would consider too much work and not worth their time.
I wanna say thank you "miigwetch" for actually putting your time into our culture! It was awesome coming for a true crime but also getting some appreciation! Miigwetch, man
Miigwetch 🤗
My only other suggestion about having those two different antidepressants that SHOULDN'T be prescribed together:
I had to go through several different SSRIs before I found the right one for me, that's the only other way I could see someone get access to both who ISN'T a pharmacist
I’m so glad you said it cause I was thinking the same thing but didn’t want too sound like I have access too a bunch of these drugs 😂😂😂😂
@@holliecrawford2647whatchu got?
@@holliecrawford2647 😂 I’ve been medicated for 10+ years, I feel you.
This is absolutely a recipe for serotonin syndrome 🥴
😂😂😂 right along that crazy trail with you mo
Yep, personally I take ADHD meds and when I've had to change meds I have had multiple types of ADHD meds at once (of course I dont take them both), I was thinkink maybe it was someone who changed meds in the middle or beginning of a month and had some left over from that.
Regarding the odd drownings. In Manchester, UK there have been a series of them. In the period between 2007 and 2021, 77 young men have been recovered, drowned from the Manchester Ship Canal. The police have consistently said its just due to them being drunk and falling in the water.
This has been dubbed 'The Pusher'. One case, the young man was on the phone whispering and then screamed. As if he was trying to hide and was attacked.
Several parts of the canal are very dark and have plenty of places for a potential assailant to hide.
Maybe some are accidents, but for the police to discount all cases is really odd.
Love your videos.
14 years, 77 drownings? Honestly? Even if they weren't murdered, it sounds like there needs to be railings, lights and security cameras, (and no missed spots). Is anyone trying to do anything about it?
@@Enoo-Wynn In parts, the council put up temporary barriers but it really doesn't seem to be a priority, sadly. Lots of the tow path has no barrier at all as well as no lighting so is pretty dodgy.
Source?
@@TheWorkmonkey1 News reports from the city. All you have to do is Google it. It's something that is pretty commonly known about here.
There is a documentary about it, and living here like the commenter it is 100% true. Mostly preyed on gay men in the gay village
The only reason for this terrible setup with the body and beer cans is if someone who had authority told them "Do it like this and I can cover it up." That's the only way this works. This has to implicate someone in the Michigan State Police in a drug ring or something. There is no other reason to attempt such a bad staging at so late a date. It's just 100% where this leads.
But where was he held for upwards of 15 days with no injuries until he was murdered?
@@agdoren In a coma. In a fridge. Do we have detailed coroner's records to know those fine details? Maybe they kept him chained in a barn after he saw them doing a deal, waiting to hear from a connected uncle or cousin about how to deal with him.
scary how plausible this is. 100%. @@bl00sadr
This right here is why our justice system requires evidence
@@agdorenthis kid was a part of a ring, and they voted him out in the worst way. People with more seniority than him picked him up and he knew them and wanted to cooperate in hopes of getting freed, probably. Cause he thought they liked him, or his silver tongue could save him. That part of Michigan is 30 minutes from Grand rapids, but also 15 minutes away from an economic dead zone that isn't talked about anywhere. There's a lot of crime out there, and with towns so small they end up as one horse towns, people end up scared to talk. They know there's 3 layers of corrupt officials before they get any sort of access to a functional justice system, so they stay silent.
It doesn’t have to be a cover up that level of incompetence should warrant a investigation in and of itself
I live in a small Village in Michigan. In 2014 my cousin left The only bar and began walking home down M21. He got hit and killed. 4 different vehicles ran and dragged him. Michigan State Police took over the case and 9 yrs later still no arrests despite knowing 2 out of the 4 drivers identities and both were drinking all night in same bar. MSP SUCKS ASS.
The levels of incompetence are staggering... makes you wonder if some of those drivers were their friends or something.
This happens a lot. Hit and runs are difficult cases unless it’s pretty cut and dry.
I know Cold Justice covered one where there were about 10 people who all had notice to kill the person, may have been able to do it without the car being damaged (they couldn’t seize the care because they never had enough for a search warrant). They thought they were getting close then the one witness they had mentioned a semi driving through town he’d never seen before or since (quite common) and they decided because of that statement it didn’t matter how much they had on the people they thought were involved, there was reasonable doubt in their mind that it was them. The semi may have hit the girl in that case and not even known.
Me vaguely skimming the title: "yay, something about my state of Michigan!"
Me actually comprehending the title: "oh no"
exactly my train of thought lmao
I agree this is most definitely foul play. I disagree that there may have to be 2 perpetrators because of the meds. I have been prescribed similar medications at separate times and thus had medications you wouldn’t prescribe together in my possession at the same time. Alternatively, the person could have taken the meds from someone else, family member, roommate, or even a previous victim if this wasn’t the first time they did something like this. Thank you for calling out the Michigan state police and spreading this case to try and get the family justice they deserve!
My thoughts exactly re: the medication. I was about to comment that myself.
nobody takes some1 elses anti depressants, and no todd was not on them. the pigs did this
(Purely educational comment. Not arguing against how someone could have those meds. But I have a lot of insight into this and I firmly believe I'm qualified to state these things with confidence. Zero vitriol aimed at OP, it's all aimed at doctors/psychiatrists.)
TL;DR: Doctors *absolutely will* prescribe you dangerous cocktails without any thought. And that needs to have a light shined on it.
Doctors don't actually know what they're doing with SSRIs. I'm sorry, but they're not keen on the pharmacology. I have had to read the research papers myself because of the amount of times different doctors have done what I can only call malpractice. Naturally I have to hide that, because *knowledge* toward these drugs is how you get your name listed as a drug seeker. This is why a lot of people do hard drugs btw...
These drugs that are "not prescribed together," it's not like... a rule. There's no laws about it. And many don't know about pharmacology, don't care about you, and want you out of their office. Many just want their paycheck.
It's 100% believable for someone to be prescribed both. And that boils my blood... Serotonin Syndrome isn't a thought in a *lot* of their minds. Most want you to shut up and leave. And if you don't, they'll give you an antipsychotic; and then up the doses again and again. I recently had to beg someone I knew to get their medication put back to her original dose, because her doctor upped one of those meds. I actually had been prepared for her to begin suffering from the effects after finding out (Abilify btw.)
Point being for anyone who's not knowledgeable on psych medications, you need to do your own research, and you need to keep in mind that doctors are *very happy* to give you the "shut up" drugs.
And never, EVER, accept the painkiller "Tramadol" if you're on antidepressants. Tramadol is considered a "light" painkiller; it's an opioid but not as stigmatized, so it's prescribed more. What doctors don't know is that Tramadol is also an SNRI, and is extremely dangerous. You can, and likely will, develop Serotonin Syndrome from that. Doctors almost got my grandma killed because of it.
Doesn't really need to be said again, but yeah, I don't think the two medicines has to point to 2 people. As someone else already stated, docs will actually still give you "non-compatible" medicines. And even if they don't, it's possible for people to keep them stashed.
For my own experience, I actually kept some prescription antibiotics. And yeah, I know you're supposed to keep taking the entire regimen until every pill is gone. But I didn't. I purposely kept some extra in the event I needed them.
Lo and behold, I actually used them recently after being bitten by a baby bobkitten. It had been about 4 years since I'd gotten them. And while I've heard they degrade over time, especially if they're in a syrupy solution, mine were in dried pills and still seemed pretty potent even after the 4 years as the swelling from the bite went down fairly quickly after taking them.
I imagine similar is possible with antidepressants. And it wouldn't be hard for someone to switch medication while still keeping spares from the old prescription either consiously or unconsciously. From there, all they'd have to do is stumble across them later or remember they'd kept some.
Yeah, it seems like a pretty incredible leap of logic to say that the two medications implies multiple people being involved in his death, or that they would have some kind of connection to the medical field to get both. There are also substances that would be far more effective if someone was actually looking to take his life with them. A lot of the evidence does seem to suggest foul play, but then it seems like a lot of liberties are taken in order to try to make everything fit into the larger narrative of the smiley face killers
I work as a pharmacy tech for walgreens, and I told my pharmacist a bit about this case because of the drugs, and he said that we’ve moved away from using those drugs as antidepressants because they cause tremors, so now they’re used more for anxiety, insomnia, and chronic pain, I doubt that changes anything but I thought it was interesting.
*Don't apologize for repeating* - I appreciate you keeping those points refreshed & carrying them along with the story.
This country is so corrupt. Do you know how heartbreaking it is to grow up a patriot and to see so many lies appear throughout your life? 🙁
It deeply sucks. But take heart ... most other countries are even worse :\
@@cerebralm Yes and no. Based on what I've heard, America is very different region by region. Some areas are fine, and others read like you're in a horror movie.
eh.@@cerebralm
I dont know if id say most countries 1st world countries, but yeah
I wonder if he got arrested or put in the ''drunk tank'', died in police custody and they eventually dumped him there because they didn't want a lawsuit?...Or he stumbled across someone and they pumped him full of drugs and then dumped him after death?
But what about that time gap? His body wasn't decomposed enough for him to have died the night he disappeared and he doesn't have any injuries that suggests he was held sometime for upwards of 15 days.
You cant put someone in a drunk tank and have zero inmates encounter them at least in passing. If he had been locked up there would be other inmates that had already come forward to try and gather some leverage on his own case or trying to gain clout.
This is coming from experience, having been in multiple drunk tanks and county jails myself, in several counties of michigan. There are very very few hidden spaces within a jail, and inmate workers see literally everything that happens everywhere, every time
@@chrism4008 you're right. I honestly didn't think of that. All I do know is there was definitely something bad going on and definitely a cover up for some reason
@@agdoren That's true. And it does seem like he was cared for in some way. Like he wasn't malnourished from what it sounds like. But why kidnap,, care for someone for 15 days only to kill and then dump them. That's the part that gets me
Had he grown a beard?
Was he shaving during the missing 2 weeks? Hair continues to grow after we die. At least that's what they say on tv.
Excellent video, but I have a minor correction: Both amitriptyline and desipramine are tricyclic antidepressants, not SSRIs or SNRIs. The point still stands that they are dangerous to combine, and that even people taking them as prescribed should not be drinking as they can react badly with alcohol.
Vanishing for weeks, then dying in a body of water reminds me a lot of Hannah Upp. She experienced a disocosiative fugue and was found in water not once, but twice before her ultimate disapearance where it's suspected she once again went into a fugue state and started living an entirely new life in the midst of two massive hurricanes which either helped "hide" her as she likely would have gotten on a rescue boat under an entirely different name without being even slightly aware that she was Hannah Upp or, after they found her car by her favourite beach, she went swimming and much like the first two times, began to drown. Only this time there was no one around to get her out of the water and a hurricane dragged any evidence of her far out to sea.
Yeah, I just watched a video on Hannah Upp. It's crazy that all 3 times she disappeared were in September.
I’m taking one of the medications that were found in Todd Geib’s system, and I can attest to the fact that they make you really out of it. I could easily see someone getting lost on a simple walk while on it. I also want to point out that those medications can prescribed for things other than depression. Mine, for example, is for a neurological issue and I’ve seen people who take it as a sleep medication.
I wonder still if those meds were prescribed to him or were completely unrelated to him yet found in his system , maybe i missed the part he explained it but it certainly seems fishy
They could also have been prescribed to multiple people within the same household, which provides easy access. It wouldn't even be that difficult to just nab a couple pills from another household. It's entirely possible someone wasn't even thinking about the what the pills were actually for when/if they stole them. Somebody could have offered pills and lied about what they did. Todd Geib's death could have been the result of idiocy and/or negligence rather than homicide. Dosing someone with two different prescriptions and forcing them to drink alcohol seems like a roundabout and inefficient method of murder; I personally think it's more likely that the death itself was unintentional.
Regardless, there was definitely a crime and distinct lack of proper investigation (in my opinion).
@bunnylebowski4465 they weren't prescribed to him, and they aren't prescribed together, so it would have to be 2 people's prescriptions uess it was someone with access to the meds (doctor, nurse, pharmacist etc)
amitriptyline can cause visual distortion and a ‘high’ if you don’t sleep when you take it- as in push past the drugs effects and your own tiredness.
Couple the effects of those meds with alcohol, and definitely
I actually live near Casnovia. I actually drive by the lake to get to Newaygo, but I never get to see the lake really well but I think about this case while driving by. It wouldn’t surprise me for it to be a murder and I’ve never met a police officer worth trusting. :/
Same. I've never come across one I could trust and one has never helped me when I needed it
It's criminal the way they handled this.
Unfortunately, the MSP is super corrupt. They're perfectly willing to fabricate their police report to secure charges.
Same. Whether small town (where I’m originally from) or big cities, they’re all the same it seems. I don’t like “blanketing” an entire group & assuming every person of that group is the same…so I hesitate to say all. Instead, I’ll say 99% of policeman I’ve known of & have met within my small town treat you how they want to based on who you are, who you’re related to, how they feel about your family or friends, & have no qualms about spouting all of your business to whoever will listen. It’s so backwards. How it’s not a conflict of interest for one man to be a judge, be a part of the fire dept., rescue squad all at the same time is beyond me. And don’t get me started about families working with families & how one does or doesn’t get a job based on that. It was like living in a weird bubble. And ppl rarely leave that place once they graduate HS-most who leave usually go back. I left at 20 & am 44 & have no intentions of ever returning. Ppl give cops too much credit & don’t realize that cops rarely prevent crimes--they show up after the fact. I just wish folks who’ve never had to go to court for themselves or with someone else would go sit in court for one day-then they’d see exactly how unfair & ridiculous the justice system is when doling out “justice”. Sorry for the tangents!😊
Not the State Troopers that's for sure. Not even conspiracy no one in Muskegon likes the State Police.
@@skully6223well put.
there’s literally a saying “playing with me is crazy knowing u live in a state that doesn’t solve murders”
🎉
Note about the medications: those medications wouldn’t be prescribed together at the same time but SSRIs and SNRIs are not super effective so people often trial through them and get prescribed them in succession, so if someone didn’t throw away their old medication immediately they could very easily have those medications at the same time… so it doesn’t have to be two assailants or someone with access to pharmaceuticals. Also they aren’t party drugs but I’ve heard of people throwing random pills in a “candy jar” at parties and just taking whatever is in there. It’s stupid and probably doesn’t make the best high but it’s not implausible
also, amitriptyline is a tricyclic antidepressant, not an ssri or snri
Aidan, there have been dozens of weird drownings of young college aged men in Minneapolis and St Paul Minnesota over decades. You hear about new ones every winter, even though in a lot of them the only way they could have ended up in the Mississippi River is if they fell several hundred feet off a pedestrian bridge over the river. But the bodies aren't reported as having that kind of damage. Either it's really bad reporting or maybe something else, but it could be worth looking into.
Lacrosse Wisconsin has a number of them as well many with strange circumstances there's an investigator who believes he's worked out a pattern that follows the I-90 corridor
I94 Corridor missing persons is a LOOOOOONG list, there's some up by St. Cloud, and St. Joseph/Collegeville - which is home of St. Johns University, which has a history all in itself of hiding pedophiles, missing people, paranormal, and other wonderful things *LOL* My Kid went to the Prep school on the same campus and the stories are so many.
Either that or Kelpies are real and are only after young men?
@@Malenkia yeah they appear to happen in almost every college town along the corridor the investigator that thinks it's a serial killer thinks it may be a woman or a couple there was one in lacrosse where a guy walked out onto the ice and fell through but there was tracks from a dog that went out but never came back but didn't get near the hole that he was alleged to have fallen into which is weird af
There seems to be one almost every year in lacrosse
From the area, lived near Casnovia around this time. You did great describing the surrounding areas and seem like you have done some legit research.....impressive.
Daily reminder to never talk to police without a lawyer. They're not your friends and assume they're always on duty.
Aiden-- there's a book called The Man from the Train in which the author tries to connect a series of killings in America to the Hinterkaifeck murders. It would be a headache of an undertaking, but if anyone was going to sift through the information to verify or disprove that theory, it would be you.
Basically, the dude took meds that aren't prescribed together for health and liver issues, have the opposite effect of party drugs, should NEVER be mixed with alcohol, double to triple dosed the usual maximum of 200mg, at a dosage that would at least have left him catatonic if not dead when combined with ANY alcohol, drank and partied for awhile without the ill effects of vomiting, passing out, stroke, death, ect, walked through dense thornbushes without a single scratch, dry drowned, didn't get infested with bugs ON A LAKE IN SUMMER and was ruled an accidental death?
The LAPD gotta take some notes!
Yes, how could you ever think it was foul play?
As a native Newfoundlander, I find your theory that natives from Newfoundland may have contacted the native groups discussed in this video,to be quite fascinating. You see, the main indigenous group in Newfoundland was the Beothuk, a group that was wiped out by Europeans and consumption. But other native groups spoke of rumors that the Beothuk had actually migrated out of Newfoundland for their survival, eventually blending into other groups and being absorbed under that identity. The Vikings also spoke of the Beothuk following their initial excursion to Newfoundland, which they knew as Vinland. They referred to the Beothuk as ‘Skraelings’ and recounted having conflict with them, representing a potential reason why the Vikings abandoned their settlement in Newfoundland. Quite interesting to think that the Beothuk may have driven the Vikings out of Newfoundland, before later being driven out themselves and potentially reaching the Michigan tribes you referred to in this video. I’m not an expert, just have ADHD. But since you are an expert it’d be really cool if you looked into this! Thanks dude great video as always.
I'm from Muskegon County and I can honestly say that the Muskegon county police are corrupt as can be. And as far as Tony Tague, he's one of the biggest corrupt officials in that town! The best thing I ever did was leave that place!
The injustices and atrocities the Native Americans suffered then and since are unforgivable.
I live in Michigan, and this case has fascinated me for years, really glad to see it getting more exposure.
I believe in the saying, "Do not ascribe to malice that which can be explained with incompetence", but if this had feds crawling around my glow-o-meter would hve been going off the charts. My pig-o-meter on the other hand is fully functional and hitting max.
Thank you for covering this story. I live 20 minutes away from Todd. I was a year behind him in school but knew him well and played football on the same team. He was the stereotypical jock that thought he was better then others that didn't wear Abercrombie. I wouldn't call him a bully or anything like that but he for sure was not an angel by any means. He did NOT deserve to be killed though! This whole case shook Ravenna. The town he went to school in. Casanova is an outer range town of Ravenna pretty much. We still have no idea what happened to Todd and it's only through channels like yours that still give us hope it will be solved one day. Thank you so much again!
We all miss you Todd. Especially April..
Is there anything or anyone you could think of that might have had reason to hurt him?
No. Not like that. I mean, we were just kids in a small town. We all have people that we don't get along with but nothing like that. We have actually have had many deaths here. People we were in school with. I can think of at least 6 just off the top of my head. Some car accidents, some drugs, some just never come back. That's why I was always thinking someone hit him or something like that.
@@TheLoreLodge I'm from Grand Haven -- a town a fair bit south of Ravenna. The town does have a drug problem. Every few years a meth lab gets busted, and it's possible the guy ran across something. With this one we can really only speculate, considering the police did such a poor job investigating. The whole thing is just bizarre. There's nothing that adds up. You would think that with him walking down the road and his trail disappearing that he would have gotten into a car (willing or no), but then he calls a friend and says he's lost in a field. It's pretty clear he was held captive by someone for a time. The whole thing is a puzzle, and one we'll probably never get the answers to unless someone comes in with new information.
I almost wonder if he accidently overdosed and maybe the land owners panicked and kept him somewhere until eventually dumping him in the lake.
@@ragnardanneskjold7675 If he did it would probably show up on toxicology. His friends did vouch for him and say he didn't do drugs, but that might just be to cover for him and protect his memory (and themselves, considering people rarely do that kind of stuff alone). I could see something similar happening in a number of situations, though. If it happened accidentally someone would probably want to cover it up if they were liable.
Constance Snyder of Kalkaska micjigan had a very similar fate. The police were called to an apartment complex to someone fighting, Constance disappeared in a mile walk home and found just beyond a tree line, in town dead in a creek. The police over and over said we shouldn’t search. She was later found in the frozen creek. A child was sliding in the ice and slid over her body. I watched police walk all around that area with dogs. The town thinks she was hit and drug off the path
Sad but true, 😢😢😢
So i can confidently say that some of the weird instances with this case can be explained simply by him being drunk. A couple of weeks ago I decided to walk home from a house party while blackout drunk, without telling anyone, and got lost when i was only a 5 minute walk away from the place I just left. I hadn’t gotten any farther than a block in a span of 30 minutes and nobody had any idea what I was doing at the time (myself included). If someone saw me on the street and was like “yeah i think imma kill that guy,” my ass would have been turbo-grass
I can attest to that. Used to be something of a party animal in my youth, it's exceptionally easy for an intoxicated person to turn a 10 minute walk into an hour long adventure (whether you're just tipsy, or totally plastered). Sometimes you're struggling to physically stay on track, sometimes you get distracted, sometimes you deliberately linger for dumb reasons...this case is exceptionally suspicious but that one part of it really isn't.
How do you account for the 3 weeks of missing time though. And also the insane amount of drugs in him.
I too can attest to a drunken walk home, falling, getting turned around and going the wrong direction. Everybody thought I was good enough to walk home, but I wasn’t. If something happened to me, I’d be a missing 411 mystery and there wasn’t a mystery. I’m lucky I didn’t get hurt or worse and fortunately got picked up by a young dude going to work. It could’ve gone bad tho, I walked entirely in the wrong direction and kinda far from my destination. Things are usually explainable to be honest, certainly not every case but most are. As far as explaining other things, the body makes some of the drugs found in these cases. Idk if the two in this case are, but that’s used as evidence at times when it’s explainable by a dying or dead body making it. And it’s true the water is colder at the bottom, and would preserve a body longer, this was early June up north and we’d need to know if it was a long spring and if the weather was colder leading to that point.. and we don’t know how the body entered but that it either wasn’t there or was at the bottom, according to witnesses. These elements can explain more of the situation without bugs and the preservation. If the body was standing as opposed to face down, it could’ve been in the process of floating from the bottom which also could explain preservation and lack of insect activity. He himself said he was lost, he was drinking, it’s possible he had an accident leading to what was found. I wanna say the water not being in his lungs stands out most to me, but I also don’t know that it has to show water in the lungs, if dry drowning could’ve still happened, or what would be the outcome of a struggling person holding their breath, or if somebody passed out or that was knocked out would breath while unconscious and in the water, and how much water would be inhaled or whatever.. and if one looks at that Brian in Florida, he was in a swamp in Florida in the summer, i’d fully expect things to go quicker in that scenario being warmer, being in a high insect area, and I wonder if a muddy swamp or something about that also added to him being a skeleton. I’m not saying nothing is fishy or that things definitely happened exactly as police claim, but I am saying it’s not nearly as far fetched as it sounds for that to be the case. It’s also completely normal for the family to believe there’s more to the story, I had a cousin that committed suicide, there was bruising that made my family suspicious at first that he was murdered, but it wasn’t actually abnormal, it was blood pooling. Also it’s not abnormal for law enforcement to know more than us, and to not share what they know for a few different reasons.
@@Atvsrawsome I, too, think the "being lost" thing was because he was a little drunk, but that especially would've made him into an easy target for murderers. I don't think this commenter meant this in a "it was totally an accident" way.
Sounds like a skill issue to me
Bravo, Aidans, another thoughtful and skillful dive into a case that's perplexed me, including info I didn't know. Thank you.
I have in-laws who lived there at that time. They were like a lot of people who were surprised but they didn’t think it was murder.
This is the first I'd heard of the canoe filled with beer cans. Did the police run any tests on those cans for fingerprints or DNA? Both Todd and the cans turn up same time, weren't there prior...staged.
Regarding the title, they surely covered up my step sisters murder. She was literally drugged and murdered by her roommates because she raised their rent/phone bill.
that's terrible, sorry for your loss..
Landlords suck
@@JoeRogansForehead not one but... Sure, those who buy up property only to jack the prices up are ridiculous or otherwise jerks about it are. That's with anyone who is a jerk just because they have the slightest amount of authority. However I'm not going to condemn people for making a profit. Especially because I have known people who have tried to do it as nicely as they possibly could including not making a profit at all. They got completely screwed over for their efforts. Trash left everywhere, their property heavily damaged, a dog that was mistreated (starved, neglected, and likely beaten...), etc. So, yeah, I totally understand why people who are nice stop doing that.
Besides, what's the alternative?
Also, reading comprehension. They said the step sister was a roommate, not a landlord.
@@RandomPerson-nd2eynever paid bills before have you? Or not longer than a year. If you had you would know that literally everything goes up in cost over time due to inflation.
Moronic children are the only people who are out here mad at landlords for having to prevent loss.
Grow up child
@@RandomPerson-nd2ey reading comprehension? She raised their rent , only landlords do that . Maybe you should learn to read
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When you edit it gets unpinned
This is my hometown. I remember this vividly, though I was a kid. I hunt very near to this area and remember looking for him out there with my dad
id love for you to do a deeper dive into "the boys on the track" case. Im from (and still live in) benton, which is in saline county where it happened. My friends mom was really good friends with Linda Ives, unfortunatly she passed, but she never gave up on the case. It'd be really helpful to get more attention on it. People around here are still scared to even talk about the case, espically alot of the older guys. I was even stopped from making a short film on it by one of my highschool teachers because the fear is still real. Our police and county officials are still corrupt, and its a pattern that came to a head that night. Really good video! (also ohio state is our rival bro)
Wendigoon did a really good video on the case :)
Wendigoon hasn't made a really good video on anything, but I'm willing to believe that people can change.
I’m from NW Arkansas so I’ve always been interested in this case. I really didn’t enjoy wendigoons video on it (I like most of his though). I’ll watch every video I come across on it though.
There was a book on it years ago. And I think James Corbett also had a vid on it. Corbett lost all vids when YT kicked him out, and I don't know if he is still working on a different platform.
@@ronfox5519 any idea what the book is called that you’re talking about? If not no big deal.
As someone from Michigan, yes they did.
14:37 it's not that bad. I once got called "sir" when I was 19 years old. I am a cisgender woman. I knew I was flat but man that was uncalled for.
honestly i’ve grown to love your channel in the past week ofc i love content like this but i love how you talk abt native history because i think if you’re assuming something abnormal if anyone would know it’s them and their history
26:10 Quick correction since I never saw it mentioned: Neither medications are SSRIs or SNRIs. They are both tricyclic antidepressants.
The Smiley face murders is absolutely terrifying. Bedtime stories did a video about them.
Is there any actual proof though?
No they aren't. It's a boring urban fairy tale.
“Oh God! “Kid”.. And that felt natural!” 😂😂😂 hahaha. Hey, I’ve been there, brother. It’s indeed a gut wrenching moment LOL
Hey Aiden, I super appreciate your commitment to making sure we have all the documentation of a case so it keeps from being hearsay or unwarranted speculation.
That being said, you mentioned there are missing 411 cases without documentation. Do you think it would be in the cards to do a sort of "compilation video" of them, with super quick overviews of what we do know, just to get exposure, or do you think that simply wouldn't be interesting? Either way, love what you do here, looking forward to more!
The unfortunate part of Todd's phone call saying "im in a field." Is that 90% of that area is fields. Hardly narrows down what field he was in.
There's a lot of parallels between this and the Jelani Brinson case. I think something similar happened in both. Jelani had an abnormally high level of GHB in his system, missing for weeks, found in a body of water, but determined to be dead for only a matter of days. Witnesses claim he decided to "leave" a party prematurely. Almost identical circumstances here, except trade desipramine and amitriptyline for Rohypnol. just my person opinion, I think this is something that happens at parties often. A cruel prank where they drug someone, hoping they'll trip out. I don't believe it is homicide necessarily, but definitely negligent. There just doesn't seem to be any motive or purpose. That's just my opinion though.
At one point in time many years ago i knew this weird couple. One day the dude came home with 2 bottles of liquid roofies, and they proceeded to roofie eachother secretly for a month until their roofie juice was gone. It was fuckin weird dude
@@chrism4008 sheesh. at least they were just doing it to each other...hopefully. When you look at the side effects of these drugs, heart/lung failure is a symptom of overdose. I think in both cases that's what happened.
I think people are taking drugs and just finding a way to die, probably billions of people abusing pill every day, millions upon millions of people say I don't feel well and get home, some don't make it, just life
I love how in depth you get about the natives that lived in all the areas you talk about ❤
Had nothing to do with the story or case. It’s just pandering
Very pointless and not at all related to the case. What a waste of 12 minutes lol
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I looked up the Smiley Face Killer(s) Gang theory. It is interesting and not out in left field. Some experts are saying it is ludicrous based on what is known about serial killers. However, I don't think people have taken into account that what we know about serial killers has changed since the US public was introduced to the term, serial killer. It's been proven that pedos can and sometimes do work in gangs so why not serial killers?
I just found your account, but I really love and appreciate the Native American history you add to your stories! Thanks for sharing 💛
Amitriptylene is a tricyclic antidepressant. Its really sedating i take it for insomnia.
I take it for chronic pain myself. It’s one of the older antidepressants. I was like oh wait this is actually something that I know about for once lol.
@@amberrose8137 It definitely helps with pain especially if you're taking an opiate with it. I'm only on sub but when i take the amitriptyline it intensifies the pain relief. I'm only 29 but i got arthritis and degenerative discs. Feels more like I'm 92
Really great video! I've heard the details of the case before and knew things didn't add up, but in this video you guys really took those suspicions and inflated them so big that it can't be overlooked or denied by any rational person. Great research and great editing, as usual!
P.S. I think I noticed the theme song being a little quieter at the beginning and the end, which I actually appreciate a lot. When I used to put these videos on to listen while I fell asleep or just in the background while doing other things, the volume could get a bit alarming. Love the song, but I like the subtle change.
File a FOIA request with the state police they legally must respond.
Did this female acquaintance have a boyfriend or a brother who was doing a medical residency at the time?
It feels like a social class thing: someone was pissed that Todd was talking to her, maybe?
Honestly, my first thought was that he was trafficked. I do know some people who have went through that, including one of my family members. It almost follows the exact same story of his except for the fact that they got set free after a couple weeks.
He went to a party, got drunk, maybe someone offered him drugs, got him high and took him to a place for a few weeks to do whatever with him. They kept him drugged up so he couldn’t fight which would explain the lack of defensive wounds or any injuries. Maybe they OD’d him and dumped his body afterwards. I have to wonder if they checked his body for any s/xual abuse of some kind.
I have to say, my only info comes from this video and a couple of others. I’m not too big on this case. I’m just sharing my own opinion.
great job researching these stories and reporting them.
Please consider looking into the case of Erik Stirling Cross in Vicksburg, Michigan. It's an interesting cold case that really deserves more attention, just one I thought worth mentioning!
The transition from the ad into the story was so good 😂
I was at this party. I didn't know Todd or anyone he was with and didn't know anything happened until the day after. The party place was called Obaha and the parties were lit.
If you have any further info I’d love to hear it, we’ll be discussing this on the show tomorrow!
Well reported story. Thank you for taking the time to make this. Looking forward to hearing more about the similar cases.
Nice coverage by the way being a Native American from the Lakota Sioux tribe it's nice hearing you share information about the different tribes ❤
I love the snark about the Internet solving cold cases and the michigan state po-po😂
I agree that this is suspicious and the police dropped the ball, but the fact that there wasn't any water in the lungs doesn't mean that he didn't drown (something like 20% of drownings don't have that). There is something called a laryngospasm, where the human body massively over-reacts to the sensation of drowning and a small quantity of water getting into the lungs, clamping down the larynx to the point that the person chokes to death. Basically, the body thinks its drowning and ends up shutting off the airway to extremely that it causes death. Sometimes this is referred to as "dry drowning."
I can believe this because it sounds like what my brain would cause my body to do if i thought i would drown
Dry drowning is a different thing
Happened to me was scary as hell
You would think the autopsy review with the 200 experts would know of this??
@@wirelessone2986 You misunderstand. The entire situation smells of corruption and/or incompetence and the timeline alone justifies additional investigation. I'm just saying that the lack of water in the lungs is the weakest justification you can use for calling this suspicious, as plenty of drowning deaths don't have water in the lungs.
Man I love your background and lighting so much. Cozy as hell
Amytriptaline is no joke it messes you up. Im a big guy and have a very high tolerance for things. I was prescribed that once for severe pain and i basically knocked me out and i was way out of it to were i didnt know where I was. So if he had that in his system there is no way he walking and winding up in the lake. He was purposely drugged for some reason.
For a brief moment I thought to myself...how do people not know what a Martin is...then I remember that they are in fact a rare mention for people who don't go outside or life up in the Central West. Long story short, I do appreciate the breakdowns on things and the way you approach them. As always, loving what you do.
I appreciate when it's pointed out. I always think of Martin birds which greatly changes the story sometimes 😅
First time viewer and as someone who'd lived in southern mI and traveled, visited and listened to a lot of lore in the area, I found your intro FASCINATING! Thank you for including this info and the way you delivered it is perfection.
You know I always say that this will be great editing background noise... just to end up not edditing...
Also i literally grew up like an hour from this case (in Newaygo County) and I know well of these parties. There's unfortunately waaay too many people have been missing and murder. Most counties in MI don't have the funding for these resources.
Also the cops say a lot of things and they don't necessarily follow thru.
Muskegon and Muskegon Heights is a high crime area. Its really odd that MI State PD didn't redo the autopsy.
So glad I stumbled onto your channel. Good stuff!
I find it super cool that you talk alot about the indigenous cultures within the region, not alot of other youtubers put the effort into telling the whole story like that
I live - and am from - Nova Scotia and have Mic Mac (Migmaw) lineage.
This was some fascinating information everyone..
Great job on the research!
I don't know a ton of history regarding that side of my ancestors due to having a mostly white family history and even the people on the local Rez don't seem to get as much of their tribal history as they should.
I never considered how the "vikings" who came from Scandinavia to settle in Newfoundland were most likely living with the natives... I LOVE learning 😊
I love how I'm trying to remember the clan type animals and what their roles were for no reason.
You're that good of a storyteller
I live in Muskegon County and have never heard of this case. Thank you for covering it!
I love how you dive into the history of the people native to the area. I’ve learned so much and I’m grateful for the knowledge!
Go Wolverines, Maize and Blue baby! Love the Lore Lodge though, no disrespect.
First time watching. Excellent research. Will definitely be following.
Happy belated my guy, keep up the great work
I have several questions about the supposed smiley face killings. The biggest one is that we only know about these cases because they very obviously didn't drown and people, rightfully, raised a fuss about them. How many more were just accepted as drownings? How many more are there that either were still alive when they were dumped, or it didn't get out that it obviously wasn't a drowning? And that's just the start of it.
Is it one person? A group of people? Is it a serial killer and various other people? If it's one person, then how has it happened to at least 45 men across at least 11 states? If it's multiple, are they organized in any way? If it is one main killer and several others, are they also serial killers or did they just use the same methods to try to cover up their murder of a specific person?
Why are they being kept alive for weeks in relatively good condition before being killed? One theory I've heard about these is that the victims are s assaulted which would explain why they're being kept alive and fed drugs. But if that's the case, why not go to a bar or club? It would be much easier to get s assault victims at or nearby such establishments, the killer(s) clearly have access to drugs that would make it even easier to do, and there is no shortage of bars and clubs that turn a blind eye to such things. If they want to s assault and murder, why do it to the same person? It would be much easier and safer to find the victims separately. The golden rule of crime is to never commit more than one at a time, because it makes it easier for something to go wrong.
Why drug and drown them? It's a pretty cruel way to kill someone, and given the fact that we know about these cases, it's clearly not as effective at making it seem like an accident as the killer(s) would like it to be. There are other ways to dispose of a body that would be easier and at least as effective, especially in the midwest or near water. I'm not going to go into that more for obvious reasons, but I'm sure anybody reading this is probably already aware of at least one.
Why the smiley face? If it's a calling card, why the variation? I've heard that the smileys have been found at/near the abduction, the body, and the gravesite. Why different places in different cases? Why do some have multiple? Why do some not have any found at all? I suppose it could be that the killer(s) are in a hurry so do it in different places depending on when they feel like they can. But why leave a calling card at all after killing the victims in a way that makes it look like an accident? It could be a marker so the killer(s) could go back to the exact spot, but the same arguments would apply.
So many questions, and no answers.
Here's a theory... you are right in that they put up the smiles when and where they can. It's a group of people which explains the distance and variations in smiles.
The deaths are done in a way that they can be passed off as an accident if no one digs too far but why? I suggest it's a kind of initiation, probably for some dark web thing. If the initiation act is anything other than what it is now then it would be too much of a pain to get new blood.
The initiate puts a smiley face near enough to the victim or related location to document it and pass it on to the higher ups in order to pass entry into who knows what. But they have shown they are willing and able to take life and maybe that's all they need.
Or maybe I've been listening to too many dark web stories lately and just need to sleep, but if even one of those stories is true it's a dark place indeed, and what better way to recruit new people?
@@CallMeCarter211 It's also possible that some variation - in the method and the designs of the smileys - might be their way of toying with the system, seeing how long they'll deny that it's an organized thing.
You should also look into the ancient copper mines in michigan that appear to be roman welsh or nordic as they were the only people who mined vertically on islands or close to the sea the amount of copper taken out looks as though it might account for the massive amount of copper used during the bronze age people theorize that it was roman i believe theres some out of place artifacts that confirm it as well
Woah I'm living in Michigan's UP right now and there's a lot of really cool copper mine history up here, do you have any recommendations for reading up on the ancient mines from the Nordic/Welsh/Romans?
@@kieraslater7276 I saw it on an episode of America unearthed so I'm not really sure where to look for literature but I'd start there would give you good place to start searching from there's also an episode about Mayan blue coming from a site in Georgia that's worth a watch the plot of the shows kinda annoying but the information is quite good and the science seems pretty solid on it
@@kieraslater7276 America unearthed on history Channel but I saw it on yt in a marathon video with like 4 or 5 episodes all were very interesting also goes into Hebrew artifacts in Florida and a possible welsh settlement in the US as well
@@kieraslater7276I miss the up soooo much
@kieraslater7276
That's a whole can of worms. Just start digging and you will wind up all kinds of places on several different subjects.
For stories specific to michigan copper, start with searches on native copper trade or native trade in general and about Egyptian and Phoenician copper traced back to Michigan.
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You know, this case reminds me of a story on the internet I once read. And yeah I know, its the internet, people can lie, but something about it just, always haunted me.
The guy was a bouncer and just, kinda fell upwards and became a body guard for politicians and their kids and he told a few stories about their kids, being into sick stuff, or picking up girls and them overdosing in the bed then having 'connections' to get rid of the body, a whole regiment of stuff to do and how to do it.
The way the state police act are the same way the Arkansas police acted for the Boys on the Track case, they know who did it, its not even an issue, they are covering for a person or people in power, possibly political in nature. Could be someones hobby, someone could have wanted a boy toy for a bit or even just lonely and wanted a friend. But they do have handlers who deal with acquisition. Someone drunk and alone are a prime target for this kinda stuff.
You should check out some Nova Scotia mysteries at some point, it's a weird place with a lot of history.
You really do a comprehensive job.l, and I'm grateful for your placing the subject in the hustorio-geographical context of indigenous nations. Well done, glad to subscribe!
I love the history segments I learn so so much ❤
Great analysis!!
Me and my buddys used to go to half moon on the way up to our friends cabin, kinda crazy hearing you talk about the city I live in and places I’ve been😅
Hey Aidens! I’m wondering who would be important enough for the MSP to completely ignore evidence, refuse to interview witnesses, shut down the investigation and then give a blatantly false statement about his cause of death. Would they do this for a colleague or medical examiner? How about a politician or prominent doctor or townsman? The person who suggested checking for promotions and retirements in the MSP may have a great idea. Whoever did this would have been able to get close enough to grab him, have a safe place to hold him, and was someone who no-one
would question his presence in the area, maybe even at the party. I believe he was followed by someone at the party.
These other suspicious drowning victims across the US and UK are interesting if connected. I’m thinking about a cult of some kind. Pure speculation of course. No doubt, many were suicid and many accidental deaths. The others, well, who knows?
I believe you may have your answer in the local drug trade. In that area of michigan cocaine is quite rampant in small towns. The MSP has been known to sweep things under the rug for cases clearly linked to this. It may be why they took over the case so fast. I've seen and heard of it many times as a small town michigander. The why is what no one can figure out.
Yes, I can understand that problem. In Arkansas, it’s more the meth than cocaine. Lots of drugs travel through here on Interstate 40. So the possibility of drugs changes the picture a lot. I would still like to figure out where he was those missing days. The drugs in his system don’t add up for a typical OD. I was a nurse for 20 years and Ive seen stuff. The lack of decomp would be explained if the water was cold, but it was warm. It’s a puzzle. 😊❤️
I like that you repeat stuff over again when it is brought up again later in the video, it helps keep my adhd brain on track of what's going on.