As a Father this story is one of the most terrifying. Imagine being the dad who lets your little girl go off alone because you're tired and she never comes back. The guilt would be unbearable.
I keep saying this, but I really appreciate the detailed indigenous history you start your presentations with. these are things most of the world simply never hears about.
@@DaKdawg - Yeah, it's kind of shameful that the only time I remember learning about Native American history is when they went up against or chose to help the European settlers. Like the civilizations that were already existing were only worth paying attention to if they were a help or a hindrance to settlers. So much history has been lost now!
@@MeanBeanComedy - That's just plain untrue. There were civilizations all over, and it's awfully sad that you can't recognize that the Native Americans were civilized. Not in the same way that the Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners, etc., etc., but they were civilized.
"But I didn't find that excerpt until I finished doing all of the logic." You can really hear the bitterness in his voice over doing all that detective work and then finding the article that would've saved him a few hours.
I must have missed it - did he really say it took "hours"? Much less "days" of research? I figured it might take 20 minutes tops... Sure, there's a good number of trails, but the criteria narrows it down and solves it for you. The bitterness around "doing all of the logic" and actually including that in your video is just a patting-your-own-back Asperger's type thing. Like saying "I thought my calculator was broken so I did all my homework without it, and I aced it - stupid calculator! I'm such a kooky guy"
They sounds like they're bragging to each other about a logging camp the rampaged though. "Did you guys see when to tore the head off the bigger one?" "Brrrrr, Nuk Luk speaks the truth. I witnessed his actions 6 moons ago!"
@@ogonbio8145what you dont like talking about ancient aliens for 3/4s of the day or that island off nova scotia for the remainder and them finding a shiny rock once a season
I love that this channel gives a good, honest background of American history regarding the dispossession of native people, in addition to the more obscure cryptid lore, including the phenomenon of MMIW, it helps ground the accounts and remind us that these aren't just spooky stories, they take place in real locations with real history
When I was a kid, some of our friends were camping and hiked up to a ridge like this. He walked off a cliff while taking a picture. His head was smashed and the rest of the group tried to get help but he didn't survive. Might've been something like that. My little brother ended up marrying his sister.
This is so awful. I’m so sorry for you and your friends that you had to experience something like this. I’m especially sorry for the friend who fell and his family. :(
That's horrible so sorry 😞 But with her they found nothing only apparently a lens 📸.. and that man I believe knows something idk it's just so weird these cases Tom Messick Stacey aras Melvin Deor And Jayden A I think that's his name he was actually found but dead But WTH???? Why aren't we finding these people no trace 😕 that's ludicrous
I have spent a lot of time in the Sierras and agree with your theory of what happened. I know some people find it hard to believe she wouldn’t be found, but I’m guessing those people don’t understand just what the terrain is like in these kinds of areas. I haven’t been to the place Stacy disappeared at but I’ve looked at the satellite view with topographical overlay and I see typical high Sierra terrain of white granite ridges that are very steep. Idk what ridge she wanted to climb but the lakes look to be surrounded by peaks 200-500’ higher than the lakes and the grade is very steep. The thing people who aren’t familiar with areas with a lot of granite don’t seem to realize is these granite fields and ridges tend to have huge cracks in them like the rock version of a crevasse. It is not uncommon for people to fall in these cracks, but it’s very difficult to find them there in terrain that is so rugged. You would have to look deep in every crevice, and I bet dogs couldn’t go up in those areas. Meanwhile searching by air will never reveal someone stuck deep in a rock crevice. So to me, when Paulides thinks granite is a factor, yeah it is. Just not in the ways he seems to think.
The same is kinda with the southwest. There are a lot of drop mine shafts for exploration for various things. Or mines in general. Sadly the only time these things are filled is when it is proved someone fell in and died. And no one wants to find, and catalog all the old shafts. So someone could just... literally fall through the earth.
Oh I agree with you as well. Never been out there, but as someone who did plenty of boy scouts camping in the Midwest, its really hard to find things out in nature; even in plain sight.
A lot of the time they know where they disappeared from the people only walk 50ft away or less and vanish right off the trail, the dogs would smell if you fell down a hill, they lock arms and walk through the woods and find nothing, then sometimes the people reappear where they just searched
I agree also. To add a personal antidote, my grandfather was in a nursing home that was surrounded by woods in southern Texas and he wandered away from the home into the woods and was never seen again. Now Southern Texas woods are not what anyone would consider particularly difficult terrain compared to the area Stacy went missing but it still took authorities over 15 years to locate his remains less than one mile away from the home. Search and rescue teams are not infallible. Remains or even live persons are often overlooked or areas aren’t searched because they don’t seem “logical” as search areas.
As someone who spends a decent chunk of my time in the most visited national park in the country, you'd be surprised how easy it is to get lost (or worse: injured AND lost) in large, empty pieces of land like that. Just today, I had to vault over a fallen tree about as wide as I am tall in order to fulfill my duty as Park Trash Cleaner Upper, only to find my left foot had landed in a hole i hadn't seen from the other side, which had been covered in mud. The nearest person in my group was only a couple hundred feet behind me, but she didn't hear me yell out in pain (shot up my ankle and to my knee; not fun) because the trees were so dense. If I had done actual damage and not just fallen hard enough to be in minor pain for the next few days, no one would have known where I was unless they were right there. I've only ever been to Moab out west, but I'm sure it's the same in Yosemite. Large, empty pieces of land where no one's gonna see you or hear you unless they're right there. We only have black bears out here, and they're pretty much just overgrown raccoons. If you get injured in grizzly or mountain lion territory, there's a chance one of those large predators will find you before people do. Especially if you're in a hard to reach area, you could get dragged off and no one would ever be the wiser. It's unfortunate how many people go missing in national parks each year, but again: Big land, few people. So it kinda makes sense.
I can't imagine how that father feels. There are times where I stress when taking a break or not tagging along with friends since I've listened to so many stories like this. The way guilt would eat me alive.
I feel like that about the sierras. I grew up in Carson city/minden/reno in my teenage years, moved back in my 20s. I never liked walking through them without my dog. I actually bought him to keep me company because I wanted to start biking and hiking routinely but I didn't enjoy feeling so lonely (or maybe not so lonely, at times) in the mountains. Especially in the areas with the white trees that look like they have eyeballs on them, or around Tahoe at dusk walking back to my car from the lake.
Kids are alone with adults many times, over their 13 yrs of formal education. From birthday parties ,to procedures in a drs office-- there are many times over 18 yrs of child raising , where MOM ISNT THERE. Have you raised kids? Doubt it
She was not a little girl, he couldn't stop her from hanging out with whomever she wanted to hang out. Also, people didn't kill her, a demon which took the physical shape of a werewolf kidnapped her and then killed her. Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
this one is always so sad to me. any of the ones where kids aren't far from their parents and just vanish... if i was a legit psychic and could find missing people, this and the little kid who went fishing with his dad would be my first.
I know logically she probably fell and hit her head, or slipped or got injured. However, 2 things I can not get past are the old man who last saw her. Why don’t we have his name? was he really 77? Did anyone interrogate him? Why was he on the trip with them? Why did he agree to go with Stacy? Why not more information. 2nd thing, Why did the National Park service seal so much of the case.
His name was Gerald Stuart, it was first mentioned in a book written by two former park rangers. The book is “ off the wall - death in Yosemite“ released in 2007
What does his last name have to do anythin? If u think he is sus then the real question is where did he hide her body in a short period of time? BTW he was well investigated and cleared.
I think it was sealed cause of the nature of the case. If it was a serial killer and they didn’t want the killer to know they were on to them makes sense and if Stacy just got lost they might have done it to preserve the privacy of family.
They kept his name private because people were going to obviously speculate he did it. If they had cleared him (the path was well covered so maybe some others saw them split up), then it makes sense why they wouldn’t release his name
Furst time watching this channel. Typed jn missing 411 and this popped up. I must say that I am VERY impressed with the way the host goes into the history of the areas and the indigenous people legends. Very impressed. Subscribing!
Really appreciate all the research you guys put into these videos. I like that you don't default to supernatural explanations but keep an open mind towards all possibilities. Thanks for the hard work.
One of THE BEST documentaries I've seen about this weird disappearance. So weird about the subjectivity of the lens cap finding. In Mr Paulides' version, the elderly man visibly, stayed behind to rest while Stacey went on ahead.
The one case in Hunter's 411 where a older female hunter goes out late in the day to her deer stand on her own land . She has strange encounter and snaps photos with her phone then dismissed it only to remember later on and tell the story to her husband, he is well versed in digital photography and discovered something very weird with the photos she took . That then connects with their grandson at band practice a short distance away at the school field and what the entire band class witnessed approximately at the same time his grandmother experienced her encounter at the deer stand.....she struck me as quite believable.
I never knew I needed that rabbit hole rave montage about the basis of modern daymoney being based on an imaginary monetary sum until today. Thank my good sir
This video auto played and made me realize i wasn't subbed here. I have been watching and enjoy for a few months. I really thought i had already subscribed but now I'll never miss anything
As someone who has spent a very large portion of my life in the forests and wilderness in general. I will just say we are not alone. And also there is something strange in forests. How some people disappear without a trace is odd. It’s more than odd. A few disappearance’s is one thing… hundreds means there is a cause. Most of the people who go missing are familiar with their surroundings and not beginning hikers. I myself have had several instances of being in a wood full of noise and animals and suddenly felt as if I was dead. The sounds stop and it’s almost like time also stops. However I soon realize I can still hear the water of the creek next to me. Some things do not have a simple explaination.
I like your view on golds end the fed.. also keep up the good work I’m a fan I can tell you do a lot of research an actually spend a lot of effort on the stories.
I’ve always believed she could still be found. The problem with search grids is they don’t make consideration for individuals. It was late in the day, she had a camera headed towards a ridge. All a person would need to do is go to that area at the same time of year & similar time check the lighting & view then find any vantage points or high places she would be capable of climbing to get a picture of the views & take advantage of the lighting to get a good picture, from there narrow down the areas like that & look for those spots that have drop offs with places that have leges, crevices & vegetation that could obscure a person from view after falling. If they do a search with these considerations & don’t waste time on other areas that wouldn’t make sense for her to be at I truly believe they will find something.
Not just that, there's absolutely overlooked tiny caves/crevices. Ones an adult can't fit in, or fall into, but one that a child's corpse can be thrown into. It could take decades to find a very small crack into a rather large cave. You might have to have maybe 7 decades of experience to find one.
@@leonidaspereirafilho49970 is the new 50… at least for some people. The older I get, the more I realize it’s not that old. There’s some pretty fit people in their 70’s. Not everyone, but age itself doesn’t mean they aren’t experienced hikers.
Doesn’t explain at all how search and cadaver dogs didn’t pick up on a trail. People don’t move uphill quickly unless there is a really good reason for it
I love when I’m watching this and the person who went missing went to the same high school as me and lived in the same city. Definitely caught me off guard.
I never understood when all of these people vanish in the parks or forests like this why the folks doing the searching do not look for buzzards flying. Whenever I have seen them flying and making their circles in the sky there is always something dead. Just saying this is a great indicator to look for especially in the summertime.
Not that it's anything but hearsay, but I remember seeing another video that mentioned this case. Turns out that there WAS a serial killer active in Yosemite at the time, and the prime suspect was being heavily investigated at the time Paulides was trying to get Stacy's file. The implication was that this killer was suspected in Stacy's disappearance, and the national parks agent that called Paulides was probably trying to tell him to read between the lines, but since Paulides is a bit dense, he totally didn't get it.
Which serial killer? Carey Stayner is the first to come to (my) mind... ...but, I'm going to, sadly, guess that there are many who "hunted" in that area. Probably several of whom we will never hear.
If it was a serial killer it would make sense why the files couldn't be accessed in case law enforcement didn't want the killer to know they were onto them.
It's incredible the similarities that one can find between north-american indigenous people and south-american indigenous people. For example you mentioned that the Ahwahnechee called themselves that way because it means "People from Ahwahnee". Well, in various indigenous languages from south america (as south as Tierra del Fuego) the word "Che" also means "People from" or "people".
True and either it happens so fast people are still in "wtf is that?" Mode by time it dissappear into the trees and they can't get a photo (not that it would prove anything to some) Or the encounter is so terrifying they can't think about anything but survival.
Gotta agree, 18 year old know it all me actually made fun of it lol. Then again my only exposure was finding bigfoot. Then you see one and you're scared but it's like.....yeah that makes sense.
HAHAAAAA God Damnit Aiden😂😂😂 7:25 - 7:55 is objectively a big ole' slice of pure comedic "gold"... And yes, Pun was definitely, proudly intended; Sue me, sue me HARD.
I’m pretty sure these missing cases without clues are treated as potential criminal cases because they just don’t know and better safe than sorry. I don’t think open cases should be open to the public initially at least. After 5-10 years tho it should be more “any help is better than no help”
Going to watch the later but Thoughts before video: If Stacy simply fell into a crevasse, why is the NPS keeping her file as an open missing person case and refused to provide the documents via FOIA to David Pauline’s and specifically told him “you will never get this case” Maybe negligence on the NPS but it’s just odd because this case is so old even if it was negligence it wouldn’t receive a huge backlash. Thoughts after video:
I have some Hispanic clients & they all tell me that outside Mexico City there are mountains & volcanoes where Bigfoot lives, to the point that it's common knowledge around the mountains, but no one in America ever talks about it 🤷♂️
so the 77 year old no name guy who was the last person to purportedly see her alive and no one thought it pertinent to get his information and record it for the investigation? that makes absolutely no sense and is the biggest WTF in the whole damn story.
yep. I think it's possible the reason there is such limited information and why they did not want to give out the case files is because he is more of a suspect than they can admit publicly
The rangers did know they just didn’t put his name out cause they ruled him out due to him being seen by other park goers resting where he did. It is more likely that she walked off and fell somewhere not accessible by rescuers
One moment we're talking about gold, next thing I know, we're jamming to Caramelldansen (I am not complaining) Edit: also, that intro was phenomenal, thank you for the laughs
Thats funny i started randomly rewatching all your stacy arras content since last 48 hours and i did two rewatch of each of the videos, and now behold! A remake of sorts of the same thing! Life works in mysterious ways but im very happy nonetheless. More knowledge!
This is the first video I've watched on this channel and I'm already sold - not even so much by the main content (which was well presented and interesting) but by the unexpected history lesson (so good to know those truths in contrast to the very biased history I was taught in school) and the currency rant (v agree, also song was a bop lmao) So I was surprised to come to the comments and see both those things be a point of contention - I, too, am new to the channel and have the cognitive ability to recognize that these things must be an indicator of the vibe/personality of these creators and that if I wasn't interested in it, I should very likely seek out a different channel for my various bigfoot information needs. Anyway. Excited to keep watching ☺️
I mean maybe. I don't think so though. Something creepy and unbelievable had to have happened for the park service to keep it shut so tightly. Really makes you wonder and think about what's really there in the parks???
With modern technology cadaver dogs and experienced rescue personal it's difficult to believe people can't be found if they simply fall or run into the typical hazards. I think there's very few places with terrain so difficult a body can't be discovered within a few weeks. Especially on the more populated trails, etc etc
I think that’s why most aren’t difficult cases. The ones that are difficult to get to/find are the ones that persist. I think this is more that the dogs couldn’t get to the body to pin point it rather than they couldn’t get the scent.
Another thing no one considered is park rangers themselves.They know they would never be investigated, and just like the police,they cover for each other.
California still has not returned or kept its part of the treaty. As a Mariposa Great,Great,Great,grand daughter our kin told the stories of long ago. Not the Hollywood version. Thanks for the stories. Oh the memories too.
UA-cam is wild. On the main page, it'll tell me that this video came out 6 hours ago, making me think it's a reupload. When I click on it, it'll just show the actual upload date. UA-cam is psyopping me or something, man. This has happened twice with this specific video.
I am a millennial who watches your videos while doing housework. I just scared the crap out of my twin toddlers just now when I, inexplicably, stopped midway through the dishes, turned with a straight face and done two full minutes of the Caramel Dansen dance. With a straight face. Then returned to the dishes. 😂😂😂😂😂
The distinct possibility is arising as I study, that some of these tribes were sasquatch, as the Indians saw them as just a different tribe of people, with whom they traded etc, and with whom they had relationships, it's becoming clear to me that some history we attribute to humans actually has a partial contribution from those Other People. Especially with names such as "big mouth " and the like. Even some older books of the bible and some parts of history we thought was ours.
tbh while this episode doesn't quite have enough rage at the case not being solved to have you say that someone in the department of the interior's mom's a ho, what it is is a lot more rational and places less reliance on paulides' work than the original to focus on exclusively the primary and contemporary sources we have available, so well done on going back to re-evaluate this one!
Go Lore Lodge!!!!!! I’m in Glacier National Park right now…..was in Yellowstone a few days ago…… Love the Lore Lodge!!!! Keep your head on a swivel on here!
I'm not going to troll for once. My guy I love every one of your videos. I like the fact that you're intelligent, but not backwards af. Thanks for keeping it interesting
I love listening to these videos whenever they drop, missing 411 is something that just fascinates me but it's created a duality to how I feel about the national parks lol
Until a case is solved or a theory is shown and proven to be "ruled out", I really don't 100% eliminate any theory. I may assign different probability percentages to theories, but never rule them out until they are proven to be incorrect.
Assuming that she counted on her dad not wanting to come and deliberately tried to outpace the elderly gentleman... Did they look in the direction of the nearest payphone, at the time? It comes to the same sad end -- she fell where no one could see her-- but I think, maybe, she thought she could get there and talk to her boyfriend
@@rainydaze1313 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the "teenage drama at home". Though this is purely based on the assumption that, for whatever reason, her father was opposed to her talking to and meeting with her boyfriend so she wanted to be able to get away from him before calling him. Assuming no foul play was at hand, she lets the 77 yo man come along so her father feels more comfortable with her going, she intentionally outpaces the old man and eventually loses him, and then attempts to find the nearest location that may have a payphone. While doing so, she gets lost and begins to panic, possibly leading to her falling into a crevice or ravine. That's just one of the many possibilities, though. I just thought it makes a little sense considering what I we know.
Lot of folks hear a little piece of these 411 cases and immediately assume they have the answers but they never take a quarter of the information in to process , if they actually read the entire case they would understand how lacking their theory is. If it was so easy to solve it wouldn't be investigated in Missing 411 hence why they are uniquely intriguing.
Am I a fool? I had throught it was John Muir, not Wier, who petitioned Prez Teddy. Was Aiden just saying it special, or have I been off kilter for a long time?😅 Thanks for covering this! My husband grew up in Bass Lake (a town very close to Yosemite) and he throughly enjoyed the whole thing!
The Sierra Tapes really fuck with me, because there's a point where one of the voices mimics someone screaming "God please help me, oh god". It was trying to lure the guys in the shelter out. Could they lure someone off the trail with that and then take them? Absolutely!
A part of me wonders if they are just seals mimicking voices. Why I say this? Cause seals and sea lions sound very familiar to these voices as for why there is forest noises? Simple the audio was a forgery, Seal noises were played in the woods and the whole thing was recorded to make it seem seamless. Seals really do sound like that and I recommend listening to some. As for the part about luring, that is surprisingly common in a lot of folktales around the world especially in regards to tricksters who would lure folk off trails with their voices.
@@victory8928 Something that's not gone into in this video is the details about the Tapes. No expert has been able to explain how the tapes could be forged. They used a model of tape recorder and cassette that didn't allow overdubbing with the original audio underneath, and the tapes have sections where both the men's voices AND the strange voices are audible at the same time. The technology for them to fake it just wasn't there. The tapes themselves have been examined extensively by third party experts in pretty much every relevant field. Forensics, magnetic tape specialists, audio analysts, wildlife experts. None of them have been able to find any evidence that they faked it. The only thing in question is *what* they heard on that tape, not if it was real to begin with.
Took my 4 year old daughter to McDonald’s play land .stood in corner smoking cigarette w other parents .I lost sight of her for a minute. A older girl took her to the bathroom.I freaked out .I lost it ran to the front door n blocked it. Then they came out like nothing was going on .the guilt I felt for taking my eye off her is still in me .that was 15 years ago
As a Father this story is one of the most terrifying. Imagine being the dad who lets your little girl go off alone because you're tired and she never comes back. The guilt would be unbearable.
Thats why i keep my kids locked in a cage.
@@stoptrudeau42 Especially in the basement. Double layer of security so they're never out of sight.
@@stoptrudeau42r
One of my worst nightmares
The only promise you can give new life: is that one day it will die.
I get so invested in the native history at the beginning of these videos that I forget I'm watching something about a missing person.
Literally same 🤣🤣🤣
Bro same lol
I keep saying this, but I really appreciate the detailed indigenous history you start your presentations with. these are things most of the world simply never hears about.
I also really appreciate it as well. Wasn't really taught any of it and it's commendable that all the background and context is applied.
@@DaKdawg - Yeah, it's kind of shameful that the only time I remember learning about Native American history is when they went up against or chose to help the European settlers. Like the civilizations that were already existing were only worth paying attention to if they were a help or a hindrance to settlers. So much history has been lost now!
@@MeanBeanComedy - That's just plain untrue. There were civilizations all over, and it's awfully sad that you can't recognize that the Native Americans were civilized. Not in the same way that the Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners, etc., etc., but they were civilized.
Imagine how you would feel if you found out you’re a full 55 percent Cualhitecan? I can’t even spell it. I don’t know any stories or words :(
Look at Jeff Meldrum lecture on the subject. He has lots of info on it
"But I didn't find that excerpt until I finished doing all of the logic."
You can really hear the bitterness in his voice over doing all that detective work and then finding the article that would've saved him a few hours.
or days...research is a labor of love.
I must have missed it - did he really say it took "hours"? Much less "days" of research? I figured it might take 20 minutes tops... Sure, there's a good number of trails, but the criteria narrows it down and solves it for you.
The bitterness around "doing all of the logic" and actually including that in your video is just a patting-your-own-back Asperger's type thing.
Like saying "I thought my calculator was broken so I did all my homework without it, and I aced it - stupid calculator! I'm such a kooky guy"
The Sasquettes sounds like they'd be a 1960's all-girl pop group.
😂 I’ve often thought that
thats when i fell for the leader of the squach,
They sounds like they're bragging to each other about a logging camp the rampaged though.
"Did you guys see when to tore the head off the bigger one?"
"Brrrrr, Nuk Luk speaks the truth. I witnessed his actions 6 moons ago!"
Dude this is still better than what junk the history channel churns out. Great job
you can remove the "still" from that comment, it's just better.
@@ogonbio8145what you dont like talking about ancient aliens for 3/4s of the day or that island off nova scotia for the remainder and them finding a shiny rock once a season
@@stoptrudeau42 hey, STOP strawmanning him!
Sometimes they do ghost hunting and Nostradamus predictions
Exactly..Monster Quest was Kool ASF though
What a wonderful transition from history and lore into the main subject of the video.
I was so impressed with the smoothness of that!
@@carllewis6745 it was easily one of the smoothest and most flawless transitions I've seen in a long time.
Spooky stuff starts @13:19 (tryin to sneak-learn us sumthn new)
He does this in every Missing 411 video, no?
@@GuranPurin yes, but this one was just exceptionally smooth.
I love that this channel gives a good, honest background of American history regarding the dispossession of native people, in addition to the more obscure cryptid lore, including the phenomenon of MMIW, it helps ground the accounts and remind us that these aren't just spooky stories, they take place in real locations with real history
I get so enthralled with the history I sometimes forget what the video is supposed to be about and it sneaks up on me.
When I was a kid, some of our friends were camping and hiked up to a ridge like this. He walked off a cliff while taking a picture. His head was smashed and the rest of the group tried to get help but he didn't survive. Might've been something like that. My little brother ended up marrying his sister.
This is so awful. I’m so sorry for you and your friends that you had to experience something like this. I’m especially sorry for the friend who fell and his family. :(
Damn that’s rough. Sorry that happened.
Really...so no trauma, and use the word smashed ? Doesn't sound like someone in that experience...sorry ,just
That's horrible so sorry 😞
But with her they found nothing only apparently a lens 📸.. and that man I believe knows something idk it's just so weird these cases
Tom Messick
Stacey aras
Melvin
Deor
And Jayden A
I think that's his name he was actually found but dead
But WTH???? Why aren't we finding these people no trace 😕 that's ludicrous
But that last part.
I agree on the most likely ending. She simply slipped. But as a fellow history student, I cannot rule out "Yep, Bigfoot grabbed her"
Slipped and went where?
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Cause of death: hubris and stupidity.
I have spent a lot of time in the Sierras and agree with your theory of what happened. I know some people find it hard to believe she wouldn’t be found, but I’m guessing those people don’t understand just what the terrain is like in these kinds of areas. I haven’t been to the place Stacy disappeared at but I’ve looked at the satellite view with topographical overlay and I see typical high Sierra terrain of white granite ridges that are very steep. Idk what ridge she wanted to climb but the lakes look to be surrounded by peaks 200-500’ higher than the lakes and the grade is very steep. The thing people who aren’t familiar with areas with a lot of granite don’t seem to realize is these granite fields and ridges tend to have huge cracks in them like the rock version of a crevasse. It is not uncommon for people to fall in these cracks, but it’s very difficult to find them there in terrain that is so rugged. You would have to look deep in every crevice, and I bet dogs couldn’t go up in those areas. Meanwhile searching by air will never reveal someone stuck deep in a rock crevice. So to me, when Paulides thinks granite is a factor, yeah it is. Just not in the ways he seems to think.
The same is kinda with the southwest. There are a lot of drop mine shafts for exploration for various things. Or mines in general. Sadly the only time these things are filled is when it is proved someone fell in and died. And no one wants to find, and catalog all the old shafts. So someone could just... literally fall through the earth.
Yes this. Omfsm. Like of course people go missing in that kinda area. Like it's the area. Tons of waya to get hurt and or buried there.
Oh I agree with you as well. Never been out there, but as someone who did plenty of boy scouts camping in the Midwest, its really hard to find things out in nature; even in plain sight.
A lot of the time they know where they disappeared from the people only walk 50ft away or less and vanish right off the trail, the dogs would smell if you fell down a hill, they lock arms and walk through the woods and find nothing, then sometimes the people reappear where they just searched
I agree also. To add a personal antidote, my grandfather was in a nursing home that was surrounded by woods in southern Texas and he wandered away from the home into the woods and was never seen again. Now Southern Texas woods are not what anyone would consider particularly difficult terrain compared to the area Stacy went missing but it still took authorities over 15 years to locate his remains less than one mile away from the home. Search and rescue teams are not infallible. Remains or even live persons are often overlooked or areas aren’t searched because they don’t seem “logical” as search areas.
As someone who spends a decent chunk of my time in the most visited national park in the country, you'd be surprised how easy it is to get lost (or worse: injured AND lost) in large, empty pieces of land like that. Just today, I had to vault over a fallen tree about as wide as I am tall in order to fulfill my duty as Park Trash Cleaner Upper, only to find my left foot had landed in a hole i hadn't seen from the other side, which had been covered in mud. The nearest person in my group was only a couple hundred feet behind me, but she didn't hear me yell out in pain (shot up my ankle and to my knee; not fun) because the trees were so dense. If I had done actual damage and not just fallen hard enough to be in minor pain for the next few days, no one would have known where I was unless they were right there. I've only ever been to Moab out west, but I'm sure it's the same in Yosemite. Large, empty pieces of land where no one's gonna see you or hear you unless they're right there. We only have black bears out here, and they're pretty much just overgrown raccoons. If you get injured in grizzly or mountain lion territory, there's a chance one of those large predators will find you before people do. Especially if you're in a hard to reach area, you could get dragged off and no one would ever be the wiser. It's unfortunate how many people go missing in national parks each year, but again: Big land, few people. So it kinda makes sense.
How did you get out of that spot though?
He probably walked or flew
I'm glad you didn't die. Peace to you. ☮️
"If no one believes in you, believe in yourself!" - Bigfoot
more and more ppl believe
I have a shirt that says this :)))
I’ve heard this story a billion times but it’s the lore lodge so I’m OBVIOUSLY going to listen to it again
I think a billion may be an exaggeration here. Although, I could be wrong. Hmm.
@@Johnniebhoy83lol
I can't imagine how that father feels. There are times where I stress when taking a break or not tagging along with friends since I've listened to so many stories like this. The way guilt would eat me alive.
As someone who spends a lot of time in Yosemite, the minute you're out of the valley, everything is eerie
Really? Why? Have you had anything creepy happen to you while you were there?
I feel like that about the sierras. I grew up in Carson city/minden/reno in my teenage years, moved back in my 20s. I never liked walking through them without my dog. I actually bought him to keep me company because I wanted to start biking and hiking routinely but I didn't enjoy feeling so lonely (or maybe not so lonely, at times) in the mountains. Especially in the areas with the white trees that look like they have eyeballs on them, or around Tahoe at dusk walking back to my car from the lake.
Do not let strangers alone with ur kids. Doesn't matter how nice they seem. Doesn't matter how long u hung out that day
The older man was never out of sight with Stacy. Plus, there's no way he could've hid or disposed of her body. It wasn't anyone in their group.
O here we go🙄 I agree with Johnnyskied the older man is not at folt
Kids are alone with adults many times, over their 13 yrs of formal education.
From birthday parties ,to procedures in a drs office-- there are many times over 18 yrs of child raising , where MOM ISNT THERE.
Have you raised kids? Doubt it
She was not a little girl, he couldn't stop her from hanging out with whomever she wanted to hang out. Also, people didn't kill her, a demon which took the physical shape of a werewolf kidnapped her and then killed her. Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
this one is always so sad to me. any of the ones where kids aren't far from their parents and just vanish... if i was a legit psychic and could find missing people, this and the little kid who went fishing with his dad would be my first.
I wish you were. So sad they completely vanishe
Can you do a podcast series where you just recount the history of native tribes? I love how you discuss the topic
Gold standard stans are a pretty good group to be in
Yes, even the Soviet ruble was backed with Gold.
🅱️ased
💯 and it's the only constitutional way
Yeah my husband is a gold standard stan and he also talks about fiat currency to whoever will listen. I don't disagree with him.
For real.
I know logically she probably fell and hit her head, or slipped or got injured. However, 2 things I can not get past are the old man who last saw her. Why don’t we have his name? was he really 77? Did anyone interrogate him? Why was he on the trip with them? Why did he agree to go with Stacy? Why not more information. 2nd thing, Why did the National Park service seal so much of the case.
It is incredibly sus that it is so incredibly sealed.
His name was Gerald Stuart, it was first mentioned in a book written by two former park rangers. The book is “ off the wall - death in Yosemite“ released in 2007
What does his last name have to do anythin? If u think he is sus then the real question is where did he hide her body in a short period of time? BTW he was well investigated and cleared.
I think it was sealed cause of the nature of the case. If it was a serial killer and they didn’t want the killer to know they were on to them makes sense and if Stacy just got lost they might have done it to preserve the privacy of family.
They kept his name private because people were going to obviously speculate he did it. If they had cleared him (the path was well covered so maybe some others saw them split up), then it makes sense why they wouldn’t release his name
This has quickly become one of my favorite UA-cam channels, keep up the great work guys 👍🏾
The transition from history to the story is actually crazy
I love the native history segments of your videos! Thanks for all your hard work ❤😊
Furst time watching this channel. Typed jn missing 411 and this popped up. I must say that I am VERY impressed with the way the host goes into the history of the areas and the indigenous people legends. Very impressed. Subscribing!
Really appreciate all the research you guys put into these videos. I like that you don't default to supernatural explanations but keep an open mind towards all possibilities. Thanks for the hard work.
Great video as always, you guys never fail to deliver. You can tell how well researched your videos are.
Keep up the good work gents
The history is amazing 👏 but if you're in a hurry, the story about the girl starts at 13:16 mark.
I think you, Wendigoon, Mr. Ballen, and Why Files should open a themed nightclub called “The Wendigo-go”.😁
With a That Chapter VIP room where the life insurance dance NEVER stops!
Wendigooner
@@antemrkic1702 ohhhh… that’s “their word”.
And you even used the hard “r”?
Wow!😱
@@MikeInOregon always go hard!
@@MikeInOregon
Huh?
One of THE BEST documentaries I've seen about this weird disappearance. So weird about the subjectivity of the lens cap finding. In Mr Paulides' version, the elderly man visibly, stayed behind to rest while Stacey went on ahead.
The one case in Hunter's 411 where a older female hunter goes out late in the day to her deer stand on her own land . She has strange encounter and snaps photos with her phone then dismissed it only to remember later on and tell the story to her husband, he is well versed in digital photography and discovered something very weird with the photos she took . That then connects with their grandson at band practice a short distance away at the school field and what the entire band class witnessed approximately at the same time his grandmother experienced her encounter at the deer stand.....she struck me as quite believable.
Love your attention to detail and your entire presentation. That story was not only sad but scary as hell.
I really respect your dedication to the validity and accuracy of your sources
I love the way you went of on that money spiviel that was damn near iconic
I never knew I needed that rabbit hole rave montage about the basis of modern daymoney being based on an imaginary monetary sum until today. Thank my good sir
The moral of all these Missing 411 cases is: NEVER GO INTO THE WILDERNESS EVER, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS GOOD AND HOLY
This video auto played and made me realize i wasn't subbed here. I have been watching and enjoy for a few months. I really thought i had already subscribed but now I'll never miss anything
Thanks for keeping us informed and for spoiling us regularly. Keep up the good work and stay safe. Very interesting as always.
i usually watch these videos to fall asleep, today that backfired. i tried watching this video 3 times and ending up sleeping from 3 pm to 11
As someone who has spent a very large portion of my life in the forests and wilderness in general. I will just say we are not alone. And also there is something strange in forests. How some people disappear without a trace is odd. It’s more than odd. A few disappearance’s is one thing… hundreds means there is a cause. Most of the people who go missing are familiar with their surroundings and not beginning hikers. I myself have had several instances of being in a wood full of noise and animals and suddenly felt as if I was dead. The sounds stop and it’s almost like time also stops. However I soon realize I can still hear the water of the creek next to me. Some things do not have a simple explaination.
I like your view on golds end the fed.. also keep up the good work I’m a fan I can tell you do a lot of research an actually spend a lot of effort on the stories.
I've been watching since October 2021 and I've loved every minute of it! This channel is amazing. Keep spreading the truth
I’ve always believed she could still be found. The problem with search grids is they don’t make consideration for individuals. It was late in the day, she had a camera headed towards a ridge. All a person would need to do is go to that area at the same time of year & similar time check the lighting & view then find any vantage points or high places she would be capable of climbing to get a picture of the views & take advantage of the lighting to get a good picture, from there narrow down the areas like that & look for those spots that have drop offs with places that have leges, crevices & vegetation that could obscure a person from view after falling. If they do a search with these considerations & don’t waste time on other areas that wouldn’t make sense for her to be at I truly believe they will find something.
Not just that, there's absolutely overlooked tiny caves/crevices. Ones an adult can't fit in, or fall into, but one that a child's corpse can be thrown into.
It could take decades to find a very small crack into a rather large cave. You might have to have maybe 7 decades of experience to find one.
@@XXMatt0040XXthere are 70 year olds exploring caves?
@@XXMatt0040XXOhhh, I see what you’re doing…
@@leonidaspereirafilho49970 is the new 50… at least for some people. The older I get, the more I realize it’s not that old. There’s some pretty fit people in their 70’s. Not everyone, but age itself doesn’t mean they aren’t experienced hikers.
Doesn’t explain at all how search and cadaver dogs didn’t pick up on a trail. People don’t move uphill quickly unless there is a really good reason for it
I love when I’m watching this and the person who went missing went to the same high school as me and lived in the same city. Definitely caught me off guard.
When it comes to stories like this I can only say. Never say never to anything.
I never understood when all of these people vanish in the parks or forests like this why the folks doing the searching do not look for buzzards flying. Whenever I have seen them flying and making their circles in the sky there is always something dead. Just saying this is a great indicator to look for especially in the summertime.
Not that it's anything but hearsay, but I remember seeing another video that mentioned this case. Turns out that there WAS a serial killer active in Yosemite at the time, and the prime suspect was being heavily investigated at the time Paulides was trying to get Stacy's file. The implication was that this killer was suspected in Stacy's disappearance, and the national parks agent that called Paulides was probably trying to tell him to read between the lines, but since Paulides is a bit dense, he totally didn't get it.
just what i was thinking too
Which serial killer?
Carey Stayner is the first to come to (my) mind...
...but, I'm going to, sadly, guess that there are many who "hunted" in that area.
Probably several of whom we will never hear.
If it was a serial killer it would make sense why the files couldn't be accessed in case law enforcement didn't want the killer to know they were onto them.
10 minutes in and I have not heard a word about the missing girl.
hunter *finds human remains that look as though they have been fed upon*
also hunter "this looks like a good place to hunt."
Lol
It’s possible they thought they could hunt kill the culprit
It's incredible the similarities that one can find between north-american indigenous people and south-american indigenous people. For example you mentioned that the Ahwahnechee called themselves that way because it means "People from Ahwahnee". Well, in various indigenous languages from south america (as south as Tierra del Fuego) the word "Che" also means "People from" or "people".
We have the same suffix in Slavic languages, too. Also meaning ‘of / from’.
Amerindians originally came from east Asia Mongolia areas crossed through Eastern Europe made their way through strait to get to the Americas so?
@@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387 Thanks for sharing the info!
@@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387not how it happened at all. Slavic people did not exist at that time. Look up the proto indo europeans
@@KasThinksit is incorrect but not in a malicious way
The drift off topic into financial rage regarding the US dollar is so infinitely relatable lmfao
Note, everyone's a critic until they actually come across a Bigfoot.
How many times do I have to tell you that was just Shaquille O'Neal on a camping trip, jk
True and either it happens so fast people are still in "wtf is that?" Mode by time it dissappear into the trees and they can't get a photo (not that it would prove anything to some)
Or the encounter is so terrifying they can't think about anything but survival.
@@bellalestrange exactly. Even samples that come out as "unknown" get brushed off.
There's more to belief than meets the eye
Gotta agree, 18 year old know it all me actually made fun of it lol. Then again my only exposure was finding bigfoot. Then you see one and you're scared but it's like.....yeah that makes sense.
@@theowl4583I wonder if finding Bigfoot was told to be intentionally goofy, ridiculous, and satirical not just for ratings but to hide the truth
HAHAAAAA God Damnit Aiden😂😂😂
7:25 - 7:55 is objectively a big ole' slice of pure comedic "gold"...
And yes, Pun was definitely, proudly intended; Sue me, sue me HARD.
Gold Standard ftw! When you go off on those based tangents I get overwhelmed with the feelz lmao
I have lived about an hour away from Yosemite my entire life in Sonora and going to Yosemite is a very enjoyable experience
You know that's about as miserable way to die as there is. To fall into a ravine or something then lay there for dies dying a slow death
I’m pretty sure these missing cases without clues are treated as potential criminal cases because they just don’t know and better safe than sorry. I don’t think open cases should be open to the public initially at least. After 5-10 years tho it should be more “any help is better than no help”
Going to watch the later but
Thoughts before video:
If Stacy simply fell into a crevasse, why is the NPS keeping her file as an open missing person case and refused to provide the documents via FOIA to David Pauline’s and specifically told him “you will never get this case”
Maybe negligence on the NPS but it’s just odd because this case is so old even if it was negligence it wouldn’t receive a huge backlash.
Thoughts after video:
I have some Hispanic clients & they all tell me that outside Mexico City there are mountains & volcanoes where Bigfoot lives, to the point that it's common knowledge around the mountains, but no one in America ever talks about it 🤷♂️
I love all the background information you include in your videos.
so the 77 year old no name guy who was the last person to purportedly see her alive and no one thought it pertinent to get his information and record it for the investigation? that makes absolutely no sense and is the biggest WTF in the whole damn story.
yep. I think it's possible the reason there is such limited information and why they did not want to give out the case files is because he is more of a suspect than they can admit publicly
The rangers did know they just didn’t put his name out cause they ruled him out due to him being seen by other park goers resting where he did. It is more likely that she walked off and fell somewhere not accessible by rescuers
One moment we're talking about gold, next thing I know, we're jamming to Caramelldansen (I am not complaining)
Edit: also, that intro was phenomenal, thank you for the laughs
"Did Bigfoot.."
Yes.
Thats funny i started randomly rewatching all your stacy arras content since last 48 hours and i did two rewatch of each of the videos, and now behold! A remake of sorts of the same thing! Life works in mysterious ways but im very happy nonetheless. More knowledge!
7:25 😂 I love that you bring your well-rounded intellect and humor to the table, thanks for that
This is the first video I've watched on this channel and I'm already sold - not even so much by the main content (which was well presented and interesting) but by the unexpected history lesson (so good to know those truths in contrast to the very biased history I was taught in school) and the currency rant (v agree, also song was a bop lmao)
So I was surprised to come to the comments and see both those things be a point of contention - I, too, am new to the channel and have the cognitive ability to recognize that these things must be an indicator of the vibe/personality of these creators and that if I wasn't interested in it, I should very likely seek out a different channel for my various bigfoot information needs.
Anyway. Excited to keep watching ☺️
She probably fell into a hole or crevice and sadly died. Or was killed by someone in the park service and that's why they're being cagey about it.
yeah right
I mean maybe. I don't think so though. Something creepy and unbelievable had to have happened for the park service to keep it shut so tightly. Really makes you wonder and think about what's really there in the parks???
I’ve there was a serial killer active at the time
The Saskettes are Bigfoot's backup singers
With modern technology cadaver dogs and experienced rescue personal it's difficult to believe people can't be found if they simply fall or run into the typical hazards. I think there's very few places with terrain so difficult a body can't be discovered within a few weeks. Especially on the more populated trails, etc etc
I think that’s why most aren’t difficult cases. The ones that are difficult to get to/find are the ones that persist. I think this is more that the dogs couldn’t get to the body to pin point it rather than they couldn’t get the scent.
i was on the other side of my room when that caramell dansen thing started playing at 7:34 and thought i lost my mind for a moment lol
Did bigfoot steal my socks out of the dryer? Possibly.
Dumb!!!! Lol
Your currency rant was fucking flawless lmfao
7:43 imagine a world with this.... its beautiful
Another thing no one considered is park rangers themselves.They know they would never be investigated, and just like the police,they cover for each other.
California still has not returned or kept its part of the treaty. As a Mariposa Great,Great,Great,grand daughter our kin told the stories of long ago. Not the Hollywood version. Thanks for the stories. Oh the memories too.
Yes I don't want to think about that terrifying thought I've heard about this for years GOD BLESS Stacy
And what’s that thought
Omg I loved your spacing out tangent haha😂
UA-cam is wild. On the main page, it'll tell me that this video came out 6 hours ago, making me think it's a reupload. When I click on it, it'll just show the actual upload date. UA-cam is psyopping me or something, man. This has happened twice with this specific video.
I am a millennial who watches your videos while doing housework. I just scared the crap out of my twin toddlers just now when I, inexplicably, stopped midway through the dishes, turned with a straight face and done two full minutes of the Caramel Dansen dance. With a straight face. Then returned to the dishes.
😂😂😂😂😂
The distinct possibility is arising as I study, that some of these tribes were sasquatch, as the Indians saw them as just a different tribe of people, with whom they traded etc, and with whom they had relationships, it's becoming clear to me that some history we attribute to humans actually has a partial contribution from those Other People. Especially with names such as "big mouth " and the like. Even some older books of the bible and some parts of history we thought was ours.
tbh while this episode doesn't quite have enough rage at the case not being solved to have you say that someone in the department of the interior's mom's a ho, what it is is a lot more rational and places less reliance on paulides' work than the original to focus on exclusively the primary and contemporary sources we have available, so well done on going back to re-evaluate this one!
Go Lore Lodge!!!!!!
I’m in Glacier National Park right now…..was in Yellowstone a few days ago……
Love the Lore Lodge!!!!
Keep your head on a swivel on here!
thank you for giving me something to watch while i work on the 7 crochet ideas i have in mind
I'm not going to troll for once.
My guy I love every one of your videos. I like the fact that you're intelligent, but not backwards af. Thanks for keeping it interesting
can we petition for a whole series on native american history?? i love listening to the history of all the different groups.
And like a master cut video of all the ones he's done previously
That highschool dance photo around 13:40 looks like Berry - O a k.a. Berry Setorro a.k.a barrack Huessien Obama
Sierra Sounds are so captivating
I love listening to these videos whenever they drop, missing 411 is something that just fascinates me but it's created a duality to how I feel about the national parks lol
Until a case is solved or a theory is shown and proven to be "ruled out", I really don't 100% eliminate any theory. I may assign different probability percentages to theories, but never rule them out until they are proven to be incorrect.
That opening had me cackling for 5 minutes straight 🤣
Assuming that she counted on her dad not wanting to come and deliberately tried to outpace the elderly gentleman...
Did they look in the direction of the nearest payphone, at the time?
It comes to the same sad end -- she fell where no one could see her-- but I think, maybe, she thought she could get there and talk to her boyfriend
wouldn’t the payphone be near the camp/entrance? & if she was just calling her bf idk if she would need to do it in secret?
@@rainydaze1313 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the "teenage drama at home". Though this is purely based on the assumption that, for whatever reason, her father was opposed to her talking to and meeting with her boyfriend so she wanted to be able to get away from him before calling him. Assuming no foul play was at hand, she lets the 77 yo man come along so her father feels more comfortable with her going, she intentionally outpaces the old man and eventually loses him, and then attempts to find the nearest location that may have a payphone. While doing so, she gets lost and begins to panic, possibly leading to her falling into a crevice or ravine. That's just one of the many possibilities, though. I just thought it makes a little sense considering what I we know.
@@bruhman5183 this😀 Thank you!
Lot of folks hear a little piece of these 411 cases and immediately assume they have the answers but they never take a quarter of the information in to process , if they actually read the entire case they would understand how lacking their theory is. If it was so easy to solve it wouldn't be investigated in Missing 411 hence why they are uniquely intriguing.
Sasquettes sounds like an all-girl roller-derby team
Fantastic UA-cam Channel! I’m a frequent viewer! Keep up the great work!!
Am I a fool? I had throught it was John Muir, not Wier, who petitioned Prez Teddy.
Was Aiden just saying it special, or have I been off kilter for a long time?😅
Thanks for covering this! My husband grew up in Bass Lake (a town very close to Yosemite) and he throughly enjoyed the whole thing!
The Sierra Tapes really fuck with me, because there's a point where one of the voices mimics someone screaming "God please help me, oh god".
It was trying to lure the guys in the shelter out. Could they lure someone off the trail with that and then take them? Absolutely!
A part of me wonders if they are just seals mimicking voices. Why I say this? Cause seals and sea lions sound very familiar to these voices as for why there is forest noises? Simple the audio was a forgery, Seal noises were played in the woods and the whole thing was recorded to make it seem seamless. Seals really do sound like that and I recommend listening to some.
As for the part about luring, that is surprisingly common in a lot of folktales around the world especially in regards to tricksters who would lure folk off trails with their voices.
@@victory8928 Something that's not gone into in this video is the details about the Tapes.
No expert has been able to explain how the tapes could be forged. They used a model of tape recorder and cassette that didn't allow overdubbing with the original audio underneath, and the tapes have sections where both the men's voices AND the strange voices are audible at the same time. The technology for them to fake it just wasn't there. The tapes themselves have been examined extensively by third party experts in pretty much every relevant field. Forensics, magnetic tape specialists, audio analysts, wildlife experts. None of them have been able to find any evidence that they faked it. The only thing in question is *what* they heard on that tape, not if it was real to begin with.
How do people disappear but we do. My husband raised in northern Canada wont separate in a mall. He knows in his bones. Stay together 🇨🇦❤️🩹
Blonde, teen ,5'4" and a mystery man.....well thats 4 red flags
Took my 4 year old daughter to McDonald’s play land .stood in corner smoking cigarette w other parents .I lost sight of her for a minute. A older girl took her to the bathroom.I freaked out .I lost it ran to the front door n blocked it. Then they came out like nothing was going on .the guilt I felt for taking my eye off her is still in me .that was 15 years ago