FYI an HP used on humans "IS" consiered a "crime of war" per US signed treaties? with All our Allies, and most of our Enemies! but "I agree!" 100%! better to beg "forgivness" than Ask "my Lord" for "permission." I grew up with WWI, II, Korean, and Nam vets as heros, friends, and buddy's NO! LE "I know of" use HP! see above. Your DNC levels may very? The last "cop killer" HP "I recall" was the winchester black talon, but this HP had a slicked dart in the H of the P for LE body armor? HP's are great and safer for the user of body armors, dump their energies on impact. Why do? you think the US has a new caliber and system? No H.P! No Darts! these cals.
FOr your carry ammo for both semis and revolvers, use the same ammo that either your local police of state police use. Revolvers have another choice - wadcutters. Since wadcutters are TARGET ammo and not classified as self-defense, their use in self-defense does NOT suggest you were planning to do heavy damage in a self-defense situation.
They'll claim that you're a wannabe cop just itching to shoot someone. On the flip side if you use ball ammo, well that's military grade so you must be some kind of Rambo.
This is making me wonder if it might be a better choice to defend yourself with a larger caliber, say 45acp, with heavier soft lead wadcutter target ammunition. I've heard that the last thing you should carry is hand loads, even if they are for target use.
As far as I’ve heard - NJ is the only state that outright outlaws the use of hollow point bullets. You can buy ‘em, you can posses them, but if you have them loaded in a gun in NJ, you’re a felon. So, if you don’t live in NJ don’t move there, and if you live there, leave.
While there is no perfect solution, my county recommends hollow points for EDC as a default assumption that your gun is meant self-defense against human attack. I live in a small town where I don't feel the chance of human attack is very probable. I carry the cheapest 9mm auto for the remote areas where there are a couple of large wildlife types. They have very thick skulls and need all the penetration I can get in that caliber, also i have experienced a few jams at the range with the hollow points. As far as defending against a human attack, most will probably be discouraged by a few 3/8" holes in center mass regardless of bullet type. Most of the police in my area are always wearing chest protectors that help them survive a frontal shot.
@@roninkraut6873 Why get a "better" gun when the one I could afford to buy meets my needs? If I wasn't clear, a grizzly or a brown or a black bear all have very thick skulls and a 9 mil. hollow point would likely just bounce off. With a FMJ I might have a chance to get through. I am an old geezer now and just have modest chance of living with any bear encounter. Now I must admit that I have only killed one black bear and at very close range. I had a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. I got a round down its throat and hit its spine but that was in the last century and mostly luck. I am not a sport hunter just an old geezer shuffling down the trail. Thanks for your comment.
I’m a female in a large city. If I have to use Smith & Wesson to protect my life , I’m feeding them whatever I can afford. In other words , I really don’t think it should matter if it’s HP or not when someone is trying to kill me. 🤷🏼♀️. What a strange world we live in ….. 😒
And then you get a Binger (like Kyle did) who makes an issue out of that type - because of how much it penetrates. Certain DAs will make a case out of things, whichever you decide.
I miss the black talons ammo I use back in the 90's, now a day I use different hollow points and usually stagger them, 1 hollow then 1 or 2 ball or 2 hollow then 1 ball.
What am I going to do with all that cold war era Raytheon yellow and red box .45ACP bonded semi jacketed hollow point depleted uranium +P rounds that I got at the gun show? Had to switch to lead grips on my 1911. If I need a lawyer, I'm sending off to Geneva for one. Best ammo for my .45 Atomic Colt Pistol.
why would you choose you go to jail? thats a dumb choice.... respond the same way to all attackers, regardless of if they are wearing costumes or not. their costume and ego dont change your right to self defense, not even if they name their fictional beliefs "the law" dont choose to be a victim, choose self defense, PROBLEM SOLVED!
Interesting how "smart" conservatives are the ones telling citizens to comply and ignore their rights and the government (cops) won't harm them but cry when the same right wing prosecutors uses the same logic against them
If you can articulate the reason why you use hollow point ammo, you can probably get yourself out of that problem. Transfer of energy to the target so there is a quick end to the threat, and so there is less chance of pass thru, that could hit someone behind them. All and all this makes hollow points safer than ball ammo...yes the military is required to use ball ammo by the Geneva Convention, but that is for a battle field situations, not a civilian areas that contains a lot of innocent people. Not to mention that most police departments use hollow points for the exact same reasons that I articulated above. The use of that argument, will usually keep you out of trouble.
No here’s the problem no amount lawyering will for sure keep you out of jail. Experts witnesses are a best bet for to avoid jail. if I were sitting in a court I’d have my lawyer call witnesses of police department and ask them what ammo they carry and what ammo they are issued by there department. If your lawyer is smart he would ask the officer to show one of his magazines to the court. When JHP ammo is in the officers weapon it become fact theatJHP. Are what they were called in the 1950’s safety slugs.
@@warlockcommandcenter conceded you are right…I think that if you articulate your reasoning, and then the police back it up using the same reasoning….you are 100% correct.
To a woke communist leaning liberal prosecutor it may only matter that you dared to defend yourself. Regardless of the type of ammunition you use, and why you chose to use it. Some prosecutors seem to have a dislike for anyone who dares to defend themselves against an attacker. Nothing we see coming from our public servants makes any sense in today's woke world. TRUMP 2020. MAGA.
Prosecutors have been defending cops for a long time and it's the right wing who tend to defend cops so we all know most prosecutors are conservative because cops and democrats don't mix
Cops have been violating our rights, making a big deal for carrying legally and it's the right who's always backing the blue telling us to ignore our rights and just comply
If you live in any Democrat run state in America or a radically left country, any attempt to defend yourself or your family can result in your prosecution.
Prosecutors tend to defend cops and cops are always defended by the right wing (conservatives), and we all know democrats and cops don't mix. So I doubt it's the Democrats who would want you prosecuted for defending yourself
If that the case u can be pit in jail over having a certain round then nights and lasre are back slide platws got little remarks like Got Him or fuck you and so on then we the gun buyers are SCREWED
"It's better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six."
- Speer Gold Dot
As long as you don't draw all democrats...
FYI an HP used on humans "IS" consiered a "crime of war" per US signed treaties? with All our Allies, and most of our Enemies! but "I agree!" 100%! better to beg "forgivness" than Ask "my Lord" for "permission."
I grew up with WWI, II, Korean, and Nam vets as heros, friends, and buddy's
NO! LE "I know of" use HP! see above. Your DNC levels may very?
The last "cop killer" HP "I recall" was the winchester black talon, but this HP had a slicked dart in the H of the P for LE body armor? HP's are great and safer for the user of body armors, dump their energies on impact. Why do? you think the US has a new caliber and system? No H.P! No Darts! these cals.
I use the exact same ammunition as my state police.
Edit- it's hollow point
Doesn’t matter. They are super special government trained police soldiers. They are above yours and my peasant ass.
Same thing for me. Carry what your local or State police carry, usually Speer Gold Dot or Hornady brands.
FOr your carry ammo for both semis and revolvers, use the same ammo that either your local police of state police use. Revolvers have another choice - wadcutters. Since wadcutters are TARGET ammo and not classified as self-defense, their use in self-defense does NOT suggest you were planning to do heavy damage in a self-defense situation.
If you're using a known LEO jhp like federal hst, then it would be pretty hard to claim maliciousness without throwing their own police under the bus
They'll claim that you're a wannabe cop just itching to shoot someone. On the flip side if you use ball ammo, well that's military grade so you must be some kind of Rambo.
@@timinwsac some people sure are experts at rearranging the goalposts these days, that's for sure.
@@maskedrebel9670
Yeah, that’s what the gov does. They don’t care about you or me. In fact, they probably hate us and anyone who looks like us.
This is making me wonder if it might be a better choice to defend yourself with a larger caliber, say 45acp, with heavier soft lead wadcutter target ammunition. I've heard that the last thing you should carry is hand loads, even if they are for target use.
As far as I’ve heard - NJ is the only state that outright outlaws the use of hollow point bullets. You can buy ‘em, you can posses them, but if you have them loaded in a gun in NJ, you’re a felon. So, if you don’t live in NJ don’t move there, and if you live there, leave.
Aren't ALL bullets meant for killing?🤯
bro said "COMPLEXT"
While there is no perfect solution, my county recommends hollow points for EDC as a default assumption that your gun is meant self-defense against human attack. I live in a small town where I don't feel the chance of human attack is very probable. I carry the cheapest 9mm auto for the remote areas
where there are a couple of large wildlife types. They have very thick skulls and need all the penetration I can get in that caliber, also i have experienced
a few jams at the range with the hollow points. As far as defending against a human attack, most will probably be discouraged by a few 3/8" holes in
center mass regardless of bullet type. Most of the police in my area are always wearing chest protectors that help them survive a frontal shot.
No offense but get a better gun. A quality firearm shouldn’t have failures to feed or eject. Especially with defensive ammo.
@@roninkraut6873 Why get a "better" gun when the one I could afford to buy meets my needs? If I wasn't clear, a grizzly or a brown or a black bear all have very thick skulls and a 9 mil. hollow point would likely just bounce off. With a FMJ I might have a chance to get through. I am an old geezer now and just have modest chance of living with any bear encounter. Now I must admit that I have only killed one black bear and at very close range. I had a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. I got a round down its throat and hit its spine but that was in the last century and mostly luck. I am not a sport hunter just an old geezer shuffling down the trail. Thanks for your comment.
I’m a female in a large city. If I have to use Smith & Wesson to protect my life , I’m feeding them whatever I can afford. In other words , I really don’t think it should matter if it’s HP or not when someone is trying to kill me. 🤷🏼♀️. What a strange world we live in ….. 😒
long ago you could get hollow points that when they hit go BOOOOM............
So only use fmj 'hard ball' ammo in cause you're in court.... IE: "COMBAT AMMUNITION" that takes MORE shots to stop an opponent.
And then you get a Binger (like Kyle did) who makes an issue out of that type - because of how much it penetrates.
Certain DAs will make a case out of things, whichever you decide.
Yeah, it doesn’t have to make sense. The government is going to try and screw you either way. They hate individuals, freedom, liberty and the poor.
.45ACP Fudd Metal Jacket, because 9mm is still trying to expand to .45
If they can be purchase at a FFL they should be fine
Don't have to be a FFL to sell ammo - in most non communist states
I miss the black talons ammo I use back in the 90's, now a day I use different hollow points and usually stagger them, 1 hollow then 1 or 2 ball or 2 hollow then 1 ball.
They are designed to dump all of the energy in the target.
What am I going to do with all that cold war era Raytheon yellow and red box .45ACP bonded semi jacketed hollow point depleted uranium +P rounds that I got at the gun show? Had to switch to lead grips on my 1911. If I need a lawyer, I'm sending off to Geneva for one. Best ammo for my .45 Atomic Colt Pistol.
why would you choose you go to jail? thats a dumb choice....
respond the same way to all attackers, regardless of if they are wearing costumes or not.
their costume and ego dont change your right to self defense, not even if they name their fictional beliefs "the law"
dont choose to be a victim, choose self defense, PROBLEM SOLVED!
I thought you were going to show us some crazy new shotgun slug or something!
How about some stats for weapons chambered in adult calibers?
If a FMJ won't do the job, then you are using the wrong caliber.
Try that 9mm vs 45ACP now.
Little bullets get you little results.
Please dont tell us what you are going to tell us. Just do it!
Rules of instructional lecture- Tell them what you're going to tell them. Tell them Tell them what you told them.
Some of these moderators, need to be moderated!
Interesting how "educated" liberal lawyers etc get their information from 90's rap songs and not from actual facts, logic and data.
Interesting how "smart" conservatives are the ones telling citizens to comply and ignore their rights and the government (cops) won't harm them but cry when the same right wing prosecutors uses the same logic against them
I wonder how it would go if you used a 500 magnum lead cast bullet?
Why not bring back the black talon.
Yeah, high Donald from Vermont when the criminals.
When the criminals stop using hollow poi still use them
If you can articulate the reason why you use hollow point ammo, you can probably get yourself out of that problem. Transfer of energy to the target so there is a quick end to the threat, and so there is less chance of pass thru, that could hit someone behind them. All and all this makes hollow points safer than ball ammo...yes the military is required to use ball ammo by the Geneva Convention, but that is for a battle field situations, not a civilian areas that contains a lot of innocent people. Not to mention that most police departments use hollow points for the exact same reasons that I articulated above. The use of that argument, will usually keep you out of trouble.
No here’s the problem no amount lawyering will for sure keep you out of jail. Experts witnesses are a best bet for to avoid jail. if I were sitting in a court I’d have my lawyer call witnesses of police department and ask them what ammo they carry and what ammo they are issued by there department. If your lawyer is smart he would ask the officer to show one of his magazines to the court. When JHP ammo is in the officers weapon it become fact theatJHP. Are what they were called in the 1950’s safety slugs.
@@warlockcommandcenter conceded you are right…I think that if you articulate your reasoning, and then the police back it up using the same reasoning….you are 100% correct.
To a woke communist leaning liberal prosecutor it may only matter that you dared to defend yourself.
Regardless of the type of ammunition you use, and why you chose to use it.
Some prosecutors seem to have a dislike for anyone who dares to defend themselves against an attacker.
Nothing we see coming from our public servants makes any sense in today's woke world. TRUMP 2020. MAGA.
Prosecutors have been defending cops for a long time and it's the right wing who tend to defend cops so we all know most prosecutors are conservative because cops and democrats don't mix
Cops have been violating our rights, making a big deal for carrying legally and it's the right who's always backing the blue telling us to ignore our rights and just comply
All situations are diffrent be smart calmed and callected, if you cannot handle pressure then you shouldn't carry a gun.
If you live in any Democrat run state in America or a radically left country, any attempt to defend yourself or your family can result in your prosecution.
Prosecutors tend to defend cops and cops are always defended by the right wing (conservatives), and we all know democrats and cops don't mix. So I doubt it's the Democrats who would want you prosecuted for defending yourself
If that the case u can be pit in jail over having a certain round then nights and lasre are back slide platws got little remarks like Got Him or fuck you and so on then we the gun buyers are SCREWED
Just tell us the facts. Eliminate all the bullshit. This video is a squib.