I'm 71 years old, soon to be 72. I've studied martial arts at every opportunity from age 21 to age 40 or so, then started my efforts to learn European martial arts for about ten years; in the latter I first joined the SCA which was just sport combat in armour, with too many rules and more scholarly rapier practice. I wasn't fickle, but as a miner my job required many moves, and dojos came and went after they were down to the loyal few. I studied Goju Ryu karate, Japanese Jiujitsu, Shito Ryu karate, Goshin Budo (the samurai arts combined), Ninjutsu at one of Hatsumi's schools in the US, and briefly Hapkido. I know this is not impressive but I hold a green belt in all of them save Hapkido, where I hold a blue. I only mention it so you know that I have more than a passing knowledge of these arts. What was taught at my Bujinkan school is definitely a martial art and in some ways at a higher level as there's no such thing as "sport" in it. It becomes obvious quickly why they can't compete in tournaments - it's far too brutal, not that karate isn't also without any rules. The problem is that so little we learned was within a set of rules. We tried sparring at "75% speed" once, avoiding any techniques that might maim, and deliberately striking off-center of the trigger/nerve spots and without grappling- and even with that ruleset, people got hurt. If you love to mix it up at full speed, ninjutsu's just not your thing. When my 13 year old nephew (a video game fanatic, of course) asked me what it was like, I told him that it was the art of escaping trouble. Yes, there are some really horrific fighting techniques, they are mostly used to escape danger. There were a lot of exercises to help you improve your awareness, or "6th sense", and with enough practice they really work. You know how sometimes you'll be, say, sitting in a restaurant and you just "feel" someone behind you staring at you, you turn around quickly and find out that indeed they are? Multiply that feeling by 10, at least. If you've seen the ninjutsu black belt final test, you can spot the ones who have spent a lot of time practicing this and the ones who haven't. Possibly the best part is that I've learned how to make myself small when I sense trouble's in the air. There's no magical secret to that either, it just takes practice of some fairly simple techniques. Last paragraph for the TL;DR crowd ... The most iconic use of the art in practice I can remember was by my classmate Perry. He stopped for an iced tea at a crowded local college bar. Just as he paid, a drunk college jock who was raging at everybody randomly picked Perry out from the crowd (perhaps because Perry wasn't very big) and came after him. Perry slid back, behind a couple of guys, and just as their ranks began to re-form gave the aggressor a quick spritz from a tiny CS/pepper spray he carried on his key-ring and the guy just dropped in his tracks, digging at his eyes. He didn't know what had happened nor who did it. Perry picked up t his tea and slid out the door - no hurry, nothing to call attention to himself, complete deniability because of his stealth so no police questions to answer. The drunk got a lesson (just what he took from it I don't know or care.) Classic example of ninjutsu's "stealth", but in a modern setting. As for me, I'm old and broken (literally, among many other spine injuries I crushed my L-1 vertebrae last fall and you don't heal as fast as when you were young and bulletproof), so now I carry a gun. We don't have many LEOs here in the hinterlands and they may be 20-30 minutes away if you do get a chance to call them. It's the modern shaken/shuriken or tanto. I lied - THIS is the last paragraph - if you disbelieve that the ninpo arts don't work, find a weekend training event and attend. You get one-on-one training experience with a highly skilled sensei or shihon (well not for the whole time, but they make it a point to make their rounds and work with everyone who's interested). When you watch from the sidelines you'll think "Oh, that guys just playing the patsy for the sensei" - then you step out and he does the same exact thing to you and all you can think of is "how the hell did he get behind me?"
I appreciate the look at the translation issues in regards to clarifying the meaning of the Bujinkan art vs the common perception of "Ninja" from the media. There has always been a gap between the two. The Bujinkan is a warrior art-not a sport. There are no competition tournaments. It's about the ethics of warriorship, community (Buyu), and connecting the mind and body. The magic happens while training.
All of those pictures are in Hatsumi’s 1981 book “Ninjutsu: History and Tradition”. When I first started training in the 80s they were still very much presenting as Togakure Ryu. It wasn’t until the start of the 90s that focus shifted to the nine schools and Bujinkan was presented as an umbrella term for a range of skills taken from those schools. At that time I really don’t think many of us in Europe had a lot of time for Haynes’ approach as he seemed to be enamoured with the esoteric rather than practical fighting skills. Everyone in my dojo was clear that the hand to hand stuff was coming from the non-ninjutsu schools. I think that everyone would be far happier if Hatsumi had made that an official position.
I don't get your point, to be honest. Yes, for all we know, from historical documents, the term "Ninjutsu" doesn't refer to hand to hand combat, but that isn't the same as saying the Ninja knew no hand to hand combat. Most Ryu-Ha, if not all of them, are focused on several disciplines, not just one. Togakure Ryu is a school that includes Ninjutsu(as they claim), but also includes other skills, such as Taijutsu and Kenjutsu. Do you honestly believe the Shinobi didn't train any form of unarmed combat? That's like saying a CIA agent isn't a CIA agent if he has trained hand to hand combat, since what CIA does is intelligence gathering. But they do train hand to hand combat and they have their own methods. So it just makes absolutely no sense to try to use this as proof that what Hatsumi teaches has no correlation with the Ninja.
This has been gone over time and time again. You are missing the point. So many videos have been done on this point. No one is saying that ninja did not do hand to hand combat. No one is saying that
@@AntonyCummins You're not clear about what you're saying in this video other than "proving" Hatsumi claims "Ninpô Taijutsu" has unarmed combat in it. Which he does. So what's your point exactly? Togakure Ryu has said to have 18 discilines in it, which are disciplines a Ninja is expected to master. All of them seem pretty reasonable fot a 16th century spy, i'd say.
If you go to a Bujinkan dojo, what percentage of the training is hand-to-hand combat, and what percentage is stealth, espionage and other traditional ninjutsu skills? If some school claimed they were training spies, but spent 95% of their time doing MMA, wouldn't that disqualify them as an authentic school?
@@black_eagle Ninjutsu is an umbrella term nowadays for skills that supposedly were trained by the Ninja. How often you learn a certain specific skill is not u to me or you to determine. A lot of things can fall into the category of Ninjutsu according to these traditions. If you're unhapppy because you're not learning how to spy people, go train something else. But i've never seen Hatsumi promoting that he will teach you espionage. And even if he does teach you espionage, nobody tells you at what point will you learn it. So it seems you're coming in with your own subjective expectations fueled by incomplete information. Ok, you read a few things about the Ninja. Doesn't mean you know half of the story. Most of the historic documents about the Ninja can't even be validated. They can very well just be fabrications from a creative mind.
When I look at such old black and white photos, I wonder what kind of life they lived in, whether they were better than ours, there was no Internet, you had to travel halfway around the world to go to a training or seminar. ;)
I attended a full DAY seminar by HATSUMi back when I was a kid- and BELIEVE ME-- it IS a fighting skill. He invited black belts - regardless of ranks- to the seminar and challened them ALL-- and they were welcome to come in groups or one at a time as they felt necessary and he had ALL of them all over the floor- WITHOUT injuries.. I've never seen that before or since. Then he put on a blindfold- kneeled in the middle of the floor sword in sheath-- and random people threw apples at him one at a time and he easily sliced them IN THE AIR... i was one doing the tossing and NO ONE told me when to throw.. Hatsumi is a little fellow and he had a BIG challenger- like 6'4" and Hatsumi jumped flat footed straight up and spin kicked his hat off without touching his head.. After the demo- he spend the rest of the day teaching us all whatever we asked him about. SUCH a gentleman.
There’s a big difference between fighting and self-defense. The historical Ninja, Shinobi, whatever you want to call them had a job to do. One of their most important duties was to deliver intelligence. If they were confronted along the way, they didn’t have the time or even the freedom to engage in a long drawn out battle. They had to use the most expedient method of evasion and escape to complete their mission. So no, it’s not fighting. It’s survival.
@davidwayne9982 The issue isn't whether Hatsumi is a skilled martial artist or whether Bujinkan teaches effective martial arts. The issue is whether it has anything to do with historical ninjutsu. Antony's whole point is there is no evidence for that.
@@mrgrinch13 If you say so. It’s not my only reason for thinking it, but it was the thing that got me to notice things, like how he always hits people unnecessarily, the techniques have all the hallmarks of bullshido and that’s usually connected with large egos and cultist behaviours. He has Steven Seagal-vibes for me. He was probably pretty good in his day, but somewhere he lost the plot and now it’s just ridiculous.
Most Japanese people color their hair purple and the seniors too it's common over there just as it's common here for old men to wear hats. But you probably already knew that.
Hatsumi watched 'Shinobi No Mono' one too many times and became enamored with the idea of the "Ninja." So he reverse engineered a "history" and started marketing it. I'm sure he had no idea at first what a massive market that all the nerdy westerners were going to turn out to be, but here we are and the nerds are still practicing shoulder rolls and smoke bombs 50 years later.
Jutsu means "art", not just skill. Once the Tokugawa Shogunate was established and Japan entered into an era of peace, swordsmanship was less about combat and more about art. Hence, many of the martial arts ended in "-jutsu" after this period. Those arts were used way less in actual combat - the wars were over.
@@AntonyCummins I didn't mean that it happened quickly, I should have said it happened over time. But it was in the Edo/Tokugawa Era that you start to see lavish, gorgeous katanas (even gold ones!) because they were never going to be used for actual fighting.
Most gotta know Hatsumis and Takamatsus claims are questionable and I dont think many cate anymore. The Bujinkan is its own animal now regardless of any made up or not history
Anyone from the Bujikan claiming that it was never stated as a martial art/hand to hand is full of shit! Im sorry but Anthony they have been giving you a hard time for years stating that the shinobi had this hand to hand system that they (the Bujikan) now practice. I try not to spew negativity but I have to call BS on the Bujikan followers claiming this.
Antony, I wanted to say that I appreciate your hard word on uncovering the truth of the shinobi. I have been a fan of them since I was knee high, and have really enjoyed your content. The history is absolutely fascinating! Just bought “Book of the Ninja” a month or so ago and am loving it!
Hatsumi's Togakure Ryu is HEMA created by Takamatsu. It includes all the ninjutsu books that were already out in the Japanese public at the time. Togakure ryu scrolls has information directly copied from books you can get at the library or buy online today with the exact drawings. None of the Togakure Ryu scrolls are old. They were written by Takamatsu and given to Hatsumi. The other "unique" materials came from the Kuki family makimonos. The Kuki family like many Japanese families had moved on from their family's martial tradition to only be preserved by people whose lineage traced back to the family. Takamatsu was taught the Kuki family arts. He wanted to revive all of their traditions aand began researching their family makimonos that were extensive. He found parts of the bujutsu that the family did not want made pubic like the ninjutsu/pirating/guerilla warfare tactics. He wanted to promote it, and they said no. The two sides parted ways not before Takamatsu copied all of the scrolls in their family. Not to long after that, the Kuki family had a suspicious fire. Their scrolls just so happened to be burned completely. Takamatsu made a new copy for the family, but it was reported that scrolls were incomplete. Notably the information missing was the information that the two sides disputed over. That is where Togakure gets its Kyogetsu Shoge, Senban Shuriken, a secret water cannon to shoot poison water, and Shuko claws. All four weapons would be more commonly used around large wooden ships and water. Basically, they are pirate tools. Those weapons would not make sense for most of the places that most ninja operated. Togakure according to the Bujinkan and others has its origins in the mountain, so why all the unique pirate weapons. Simple, Kukishin has its origins in Wakayama prefecture near the ocean, and they were part of the navy or pirates depending on who you asked. Even the Shuko are impractical if you are familiar with Japanese forestry. Most trees are too large that climbing up to high branches would not give anybody any tactical advantage, or they are small enough that most people could climb them by running up the side and climbing the rest of the way with their hands. They would be useful if you had small wooden boat and park next to a large wooden boat and needed to climb up to attack the ship. Kyogetsu shoge would be used to swing over to ships or lasso small boats and pull them close. Water cannons? Do I really need to explain? Senban Shuriken are used to lift nails in ship building. The other ninjutsu school "Gikan Ryu" is Asayama Ichiden Ryu. Takamatsu was mixing and matching information to create new schools and using the few verifiable schools for legitmacy. Hatsumi passed on the Takagi Yoshin Ryu and Kukishinden to the two youngest students, so they can live on. He gave the suspect schools to the older students to continue his Bujinkan legacy, while those students still get paid in the process. Ninjutsu were guerilla skills that complimented the other samurai skills that later got into the general public. It is no different than modern military vets eventually shariing their knowledge to civilians through employment and training camps.
Mark Spada aka "@jachyra9", the same dude on the internet forum known for being a Bujinkan expert because he attended only Kacem Zoughari seminars but not training at a dojo. The same dude that stupidly admitted to committing insurance fraud (Canada, right?). LOL! Try again, fraud!@@jachyra9
@@jwills79yea when I ask about exact details from my ninpo sensei he said "honestly I don't exactly know and even what I have been told there is no absolute truth..the truth is in what you learn, I can't say Learning Ninpo made me a crazy fighter...but I notice other senseis/instructors in other arts/sports always single me out and use me to do demos or dump knowledge/techniques on me and seem eager to teach me (without knowing)...that's probably the oddest thing I have noticed.
Hello Antony, first of all, I want to say thank you for all your hard work in the field of the history of ninjutsu and samurai martial arts. And I want to ask you a question: in one of your interviews, you mentioned that some of the schools that are incorporated in Bujinkan are authentic and some are not. I would like to know which of them are definitely authentic and have mentions about them in historic documents. I have an interest in Kotō-ryū in particular. Thank you very much.
How would he know? What people who cannot only read and write Japanese, but are native speakers of the language, that are far better qualified to speak about the history.
Another informative vid. No joke though.. Anyway, im pleased happy that you've expounden on Dr Hatsumi's statement about fighting being the least important part of ninjitsu. The Way it was explained to me was simply about the term "martial art" . That martial art literally means military art. From the beginning of basic training, recruits are taught many skills and habits.... one of which is firearms training. An important skill in military, but one of many.
Technically Bujinkan and Taijutsu is a martial arts in the modern world but yes in the ninja world there isn’t any proof I guess but the ninjas did so martial arts
Same. i started in 1987 and it was called Ninjutsu full stop. And it was being represented as fighting skills of the ninja. the kanji on my blackbelt back then said Bujinkan Dojo Ninpo.
“Jutsu means technique, but it also means heart. Jutsu must come from the heart. Therefore, your heart must be straight and honest.“ From "HIDEN NO TOGAKURE RYU NINPÔ" by Dr Masaaki Hatsumi
In the beginning steven k hays wrote hatsumi a letter in Japanese . And now steven k hays is the master golden dragon his own ninpo do u know what ninpo means
the heart is more significant than the technique or physical skill. So jutsu is not a technique but the way of doing things e.g. science art . Japanese believe this comes from heart nd stomach. hence sepukku harakiri.
@@AntonyCummins this is Toda channel: youtube.com/@todashinryuken2001?si=Doo9ztCqYbCxSnKv Even if they're short the videos offer some nice evidence of what the bujinkan used to say
If they were just honest that its just their style of unarmed combat that came from samurai that has been modernized, i dont think there'd be as much of an issue. The principles are good. But well, not what they advertised
Heard a story from when Stephen Hayes was still training in Japan in the hombu dojo. Has to practicing kusari fundo and wrapping it around his own head. Nice looking book! Interesting about Hayes using the same pics.
@@AntonyCummins Hi, Antony one thing about you you always respond to your comments and whatever questions I may ask you. The history is still highly suspect I just considered the possibility that just because the fighting is not in the historical manuals it might be because they have their own unique histories and methods like Sean Askew claims, but most likely it's still made up and probably is all from Gengitsu Itoh's work.🤣
No, it is not unique to their school. Ninja Taijutsu is the same through out all Ninja schools. For example, Masaaki Hatsumi and Junichi Kawakami and even Ronald Duncan have never trained together and were not trained by the same teachers. And yet, by pure random coincidence, they trained the same techniques and principles. Amazing "coincidence" isn't it?... Wow! Amazing! There are thousands and thousands of techniques that work by the exact same principles in these schools! These must then be thousands upon thousands of purely random coincidences! For example, by coincidence, they just happen to all use, by complete random coincidence, the Ninja Taijutsu postures known as "Ichimonji no Kamae, Doko no Kamae and Hira no Kamae" as their body postures in combat, even though they have never ever trained together! Awesome coincidences, right? Wow, Amazing! They all, by pure, random coincidences, practice thousands upon thousands of techniques of Daken taijutsu, Jutaijutsu and taijenj jutsu and they coincidenctly used the same Taijutsu principles! I have practiced in Kawakami's , Hatsumi's and Ronald Duncan's Ninjutsu schools and they all "coincidently" by random luck, use the same names for many, many of their thousands of techniques. Every one of their students will know (by random coincidence) exactly what "Shako ken, boshii ken, sokuyaku ken etc. is. They know what onikudaki is etc. And they all even know exactly where and when to apply these techniques, even though they have never trained together! Awesome random coincidences! Just awesome! If there is no such thing as Ninja Taijutsu, then why do different Ninjutsu schools, who have never trained together, all have thousands upon thousands of combat techniques that are pretty much the same, with the same body movement and principles and even with the same Japanese names? This proves that Ninja Taijutsu was trained from master to student and was passed down in secret, without being written down, but instead, was trained live, in die forest or in secrecy, or in the dark and it goes back centuries! And it has survived until today! Otherwise, these are merely thousands upon thousands of completely random coincidences that have all just magically appeared in Japan! Hope this helps!
I really enjoyed this Style and yes it's not the flashiest as there's a style that suits everyone. I enjoy it cause there's no kata's, not to many focus of kicking style so pretty much all close quarters as you'll find out when you have a go. They say the art is for show and is not realistic for the streets. All styles have to develop to adapt to the modern times and Bujinkan like many other styles have done that well. We don't go jumping around like the 80s TV Ninja, but teaching the past from teacher to student has developed well for the modern times. The style is not ment for sport but rather a evasive style, defence style and at last resort a very destructive style to maim and go extreme should your life be on the line. What you put in is what you get out of it, just like any other styles.
Fun fact: Ninja Taijutsu is the same through out all Ninja schools. For example, Masaaki Hatsumi and Junichi Kawakami and even Ronald Duncan have never trained together and were not trained by the same teachers. And yet, by pure random coincidence, they trained the same techniques and principles. Amazing "coincidence" isn't it?... Wow! Amazing! There are thousands and thousands of techniques that work by the exact same principles in these schools! These must then be thousands upon thousands of purely random coincidences! For example, by coincidence, they just happen to all use, by complete random coincidence, the Ninja Taijutsu postures known as "Ichimonji no Kamae, Doko no Kamae and Hira no Kamae" as their body postures in combat, even though they have never ever trained together! Awesome coincidences, right? Wow, Amazing! They all, by pure, random coincidences, practice thousands upon thousands of techniques of Daken taijutsu, Jutaijutsu and taijenj jutsu and they coincidenctly used the same Taijutsu principles! I have practiced in Kawakami's , Hatsumi's and Ronald Duncan's Ninjutsu schools and they all "coincidently" by random luck, use the same names for many, many of their thousands of techniques. Every one of their students will know (by random coincidence) exactly what "Shako ken, boshii ken, sokuyaku ken etc. is. They know what onikudaki is etc. And they all even know exactly where and when to apply these techniques, even though they have never trained together! Awesome random coincidences! Just awesome! If there is no such thing as Ninja Taijutsu, then why do different Ninjutsu schools, who have never trained together, all have thousands upon thousands of combat techniques that are pretty much the same, with the same body movement and principles and even with the same Japanese names? This proves that Ninja Taijutsu was trained from master to student and was passed down in secret, without being written down, but instead, was trained live, in die forest or in secrecy, or in the dark and it goes back centuries! And it has survived until today! Otherwise, these are merely thousands upon thousands of completely random coincidences that have all just magically appeared in Japan! Hope this helps!
Imagine you have a man who executed shinobi missions and at the same time practiced some martial art, does the fact that he execute ninja missions make the martial art he practiced a ninja martial art? well, if the man needs to defend himself in the ninja mission and he knows not any other martial art, the techniques he defended himself with in his mission was indeed practical "ninja martial art" or at least technique, even if the martial system was not intended to be used in ninja missions. Man purposes and intentions mold the tools he uses to himself - a farming fork or a sickle in a ninja hand becomes a ninja martial weapon.
I often wonder if Hatsumi would have been taken more seriously if he had sold Bujinkan as being like the Japanese version of HEMA as opposed to a modern martial art.
@@jachyra9 sell=promoted, Actually Hema could be regarded as a martial art the guys involved in the amour combat or m-1 medieval side of it very much see themselves as martial artists.
According to Glenn Morris( who wrote Pathnotes of an American Ninja Master, which was about his time in the Bujinkan) this system has ties to the Tengu, which actually watch over the students and make them a part of the family, so to speak. Whether someone believes this is even possible(I'm guessing most here don't) IF this martial art system is good enough for the Tengu to support and defend those under it, then maybe, just maybe, it's legit enough, regardless of it's origins. Not to mention, Morris' claims in his eyes, that it's the most complete martial system he's ever seen or practiced, himself. This is coming from a man who was an army medic, who was taught and practiced a bunch of different martial arts. All this is not even going into the more esoteric parts of the system, as well as his own experiences with meditation, awakening the chi, the raising of kundalini, his many experiences of energy exchange with Hatsumi, energy healing, forms of enlightenment, etc.( also things most probably won't even believe until it's happened to them) An excellent book, and a real eye-opener that I highly recommend to anyone interested in the Bujinkan, and the more esoteric subjects of meditation, energy healing, and chi gung 🤙
In all honesty, Mr Morris was a marginal character even for the Bujinkan. He was not anyone of any authority or expertise in ninjutsu and his ideas were mostly fantasy. He was a nice man, but hardly an authority.
@@domocecc7714 He was recognized enough by Hatsumi to spend personal time with him, and be energetically healed by him. 🤔 I'm curious. Did you actually try any of the chi gung/meditations that Morris recommends in his book? Even Stephen Hayes(more widely recognized in the Bujinkan) believes in things like the kuji Kiri "ninja magic." I'm guessing not because of your statement of his ideas being mostly fantasy. It's a funny thing, this psychic/energetic stuff. Many people see movies and fantasize about having all these great powers, but when real power begins to knock, the conscious mind tends to run away in order to go back to the fantasy of power. Even if one starts accepting the power, there is no SOP for it, no instruction manual. You become like Mr. Hinkley from The Greatest American Hero, who has the suit, but lost the instructions on how to use it, so you fumble around as best you can testing and tweaking things to see how it really works. This is all until you find some qualified master of it, who can help you further along on your path, and even THEY don't have all the answers. Anyways, the one thing that I thought was biased of him though, was his downplaying of men compared to women in his books, which I understand definitely could happen once you start awakening the feminine aspect of consciousness.
Bujinkan is not even recognized as a Koryu, so it cannot even pretend to claim Ninjutsu until it's recognized by Koryu certifying bodies that it is even a historical martial art. Cross the Koryu bridge first, until then, it's completely useless and moot to even entertain the Ninja discussion in relation to Bujinkan.
@jachyra9 Koryu is defined as any pre-mejis restoration japanese bujutsu. If tokagure-ryu is an art practiced by shinobi, then it should by rights be a koryu. It is absolutely not listed in the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten (encyclopedia of ((japanese)) martial arts schools) which is the only really reliable catalog of ancient Japanese ryuha. There is no "body" that claims to be an authority involved. That is the sum of the historical record, within which tokagure-ryu does not exist. That is the only "metric" by which these things are judged. There is nothing wrong with being a gendai art. There IS something wrong with being a gendai art, masquerading as a koryu. You're welcome.
@@hardcaliber19 "There is nothing wrong with being a gendai art. There IS something wrong with being a gendai art, masquerading as a koryu." Except that there's no masquerading happening. It was said from the start that it's effectively both and neither due to incomplete lineages.
Koryu bodies aren't the gatekeepers of what's real and what's not. Many Ryu-Ha survived but didn't conserve enough documentation to be accepted into these organizations. A lot has been lost. A lot has been transmitted through Kuden. For example: I make a recipe i learned from my grandma. She learned from her grandma. And her grandma learned from hers. So this recipe supposedly has hundreds of years. Could i present documentation to prove it? No. I have nothing written down. I can't even prove i ever made it to myself. Does it mean it's all a lie? No. It's real. See? Not everything is written down in documents that survive hundreds of years. That's highly unusual. Also, Hatsumi did allow them to see the scrolls but only if they came to see him. He didn't want the scrolls taken away for examination because of the risk of damaging them. Yeah, it may all be fake, but it's not because it isn't recognized as a Koryu.
@DIREWOLFx75 This is where you're mistaken. An art CANNOT be both Koryu and Gendai. If an art form was pulled together from a variety of Koryu arts after the Mejis restoration, then it is a GENDAI art. There are innumerable examples of gendai art forms whose techniques all come from various koryu. In fact, that is ALL gendai arts. If hatsumi claims his art form, as it exists now, was practiced by Shinobi, then that is false. Full stop. There is no historical record of this art existing prior to the mejis restoration. If he has proof, then produce it. This nonsense in the comment above about "you gotta go see him. He doesnt want them to be damaged" is laughable. Photos dont damage scrolls, last I checked. If this is an art largely passed down through verbal instruction, then a photo of the scrolls poses no threat to his ownership of it. If he claims that his artform contains *techniques* utilized by shinobi, that is totally fine (as it is almost definitely true, though not as a form of "ninjutsu", but as jujutsu, kenjutsu, iaido, etc.), but then his art is GENDAI. It is really that simple. This has nothing to do with organizations or criteria. It is *when* the art existed. The art. Not the techniques. That is the only criteria. When.
Very interesting material, Antony! I always enjoy your videos. This one reminded me of something I'd heard before, and I wondered if you might weigh in on it. I've heard people say that kenjutsu was really a misnomer, as ken refers to a straight blade, like a Chinese jian. In other words, it's been claimed that kenjutsu is a term that's been around since before the Japanese used curved swords, and they simply persisted in using the term, after the katana came about. Do you reckon there's anything to this?
Ken can just be the generic term for any sword, same as katana can just mean blade. It’s a good question though. What is the start dates for the jutsus
@@AntonyCummins Ah- I've unintentionally left out part of this story. The same source... I can no longer remember what the source was, unfortunately... said that 'to' was to a curved blade, as 'ken' is to a straight one. Like a generic curved blade and a generic straight blade. I think the idea was that it should really be called 'tojutsu.' Not sure if that has any bearing, or even if it's technically correct, but there it is. And 'how long have the jutsu phrases been around' really is an interesting question, now that you mention it.
There have been other documents that go back to the 1700’s (outside the Bujinkan altogether) that have both Ninpo and Taijutsu/Jiujutsu used in construct. This is another gaslighting video post in a 14-year stint. Buckling down on the narrative doesn’t make it any more true.
The above has images of it. Densho outside the Bujinkan Ryu that have Ninpo Jiujutsu as a construct. The text has the history behind it into the Edo period. Feel free to get your translator that does the leg work, and the title of the book from the post, and check it out as a source. But it’s a beginning point to show that Ninpo associated with Taijutsu/Jiujutsu is not particular to Takamatsu as you have claimed. It might be a minority tradition coming out of the Edo period into the Meiji Era, but not a fabrication. This also has bukijutsu attached to it in the tradition as well stemming from Ninpo Jiujutsu. If this tradition is a Oniwaban member tradition like the Toda’s were in the public records, then this is likely Edo period semantic example among the Oniwaban/Onmitsu families operatives (which were Iga families).
I used to own that history and tradition book, damn almost forgot about it! I also used to do the taijutsu dancing back in the late 80s. It was great fun and most of the techniques worked for me and some didn't, but on balance I won more times than I lost because of it . Maybe I was just lucky that I didn't meet a professional boxer or some mutant.
Seriously, 5 minutes in and 1, i have no idea what you're arguing, 2, you're ranting more than arguing and 3, you're fixating on minutiae to the extreme. In short, you sound like you're fanatically pushing a personal pet peevee more than anything else, and even near the end of the video i'm mostly just "huh?" because i have no idea what your issue was that caused the video. Because no, i'm not a hardcore ranter part of the community. No, tai-jutsu does not automatically equate to martial arts(just MOST of the time). Otherwise parkour, to take a hyperobvious example would never ever be referred to as taijutsu. But because parkour is literally BODY SKILL, it is sometimes referred to as such. You can also hear advanced gymnastics referred to as taijutsu, though (probably) uncommon. There's also bodybuilding using the name, but i think that's much more rare and it's literally years since last time i saw it.
@@AntonyCummins No, you did not ever properly state what you were trying to refute or what the original argument was. Which basically leaves me with a big "meh, why should i care?".
@@DIREWOLFx75 Hatsumi means martial arts by the word taijutsu. This is evidence from all the martial arts pictures in the books. Seems like you didn't actually watch the video.
This is my honest opinion as someone with experience in karate and Bujinkan as a teenager and who currently trains Muay Thai and Brazilian jiujitsu: The self defense benefits of training Bujinkan are that you learn good break falling, you train with weapons, and you develop some degree of situational awareness. That's really it though. If it came down to it, I would much rather train mostly in a martial art like Muay Thai or Brazilian jiujitsu for unarmed fighting and sometimes do Bujinkan, versus training solely in Bujinkan.
@@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 I have a second-degree black belt in Goni ryu karate but when the pandemic came, my instructor shut down, and I started going to bujinkan. The instructor is really good, but it seems like the class lives more in a fantasy world. Like a bunch of grown-ups hooked on dungeons and dragons. The weapons stuff is pretty cool, but I’m just contemplating going back to Goni ryu and take some of the bujinkan training with me.
@@timalrand9283 The founder of the Bujinkan, Hatsumi Masaaki, he has a famous saying that sums up the Bujinkan in a nutshell..."OK, go play". Bujinkan training is a lot more like playing than it is fighting.
instead of wasting your time trying to spread division within the already severely targetted and fragile ninja community, you should focuss your time and energy on exposing the frauds that have zero respect for ninjutsu id est MMA, BJJ, Grappling and Kickboxing ...
Is there a meaningful distinction in your opinion between "ninjutsu" and "ninpo taijutsu?" I've stopped referring to my martial arts training as "ninjutsu" because of the very topic of your channel (thank you for what you do). Ive still been calling it "ninpo taijutsu" because ive considered that more accurate, to mean what happens when you apply the hidden aspect of ninjutsu as a warefare philosophy to martial arts waza done by the samurai. That is to say you are doing samurai martial arts in a subtlely different way, suppressing kiai and not giving the opponent any information through your movement. Do you think there might be something to be said for that take?
@AntonyCummins I agree and would say that Togakure Ryu was likely invented by Takematsu himself. The fake lineage is problematic, but apart from that I don't see anything wrong with viewing it as a reconstructed system that has the intention of showing something like what ninja may have fought like. Which is how I indeed view Togakure Ryu. But the false lineage is why I have distanced myself from the Bujinkan as an organization while still training those arts themselves.
This doesn't prove that the Ninja did not practice Ninja Taijutsu. All it proves is that Antony Cummins has an unproven theory. And basically , this unproven theory is that he thinks that " even though they were sent on life and death missions and had to survive in very hostile territories, Ninja possibly might not have practiced Ninja Taijutsu". However, so far this theory has never been proven by any reliable documents, nor by any eye witnesses.
@@dwl3006 the practice of Shinobijutsu is a felony in every country in the world and is considered terrorist training in most. Openly practicing sabotage, espionage, arson, assassination and kidnapping is a crime unless it is done by a government and then it is still a crime in other countries. Practicing Jiujitsu/Taijutsu in a black gi with tabi is not Shinobijutsu.
@@stevenlowe3245 Araki Ryu for example practices assassination techniques. Nobody is stopping them from training. You can learn espionage techniques by going through private investigator training.
I have many books on Japanese Jujutsu, and they all have some history terms in them of Taijutsu/Yawara/Jujutsu as the same meaning or combative techniques. Not donating as I keep buying your books. 🤣🤣
This doesn't seem to say anything other than Hatsumi said X and you say, "nuh-uh." You seem to be incredibly reliant on the Bujinkan for your "career." There are two people you could probably go to, but you won't. You will continue to post videos on the internet and publish books that have little meaning and even poorer translations. That's fine. It seems a large waste of time, but your self-worth seems to be wrapped up in this. At the end of the day, you want to be something, but you are not really willing to do any real work on it.
What ”ninja community”? It’s called Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu - collection of Samurai and ”ninja” techniques - but they were called ”shinobi no mono” back then.
Tai refers to using "the whole" as one. The whole includes the body, your weapons, your opponents weapons, your allies weapons, everyone else's bodies and any mounts or vehicles. It refers to everything at play on the battlefield... is a lot more than just "hand to hand". Anyone spending more than 1 year actually learning real taijutsu will know this. There is a challenge within the bujinkan in that not all students learn the same things and commentators even less. That is good though, secret arts always work better when they are kept a secret.
so they be lying again trying to protect themselves i used to train with hayes my self in the 90's he would tell us it was a martail art and his wife would try to teach us to be psychic that in it'self was bogus , all they do is hurt the real ninja by lying
"that in it'self was bogus" I don't know exactly what you refer to, but Hayes training methods worked quite well as far as i know. And no, not "psychic", it was a matter of training up your sensitivity. And it is a perfectly functional skill. Just difficult. If you move your hand along your arm, without touching it, you can still EASILY feel where your moving hand is. Because of HEAT. Because of static electricity. Because of the natural magnetic field of humans. Because the movement disturbs the hair on your arm either directly, or indirectly via moving air around. And if you practice how to feel that, you CAN increase the range and eventually how accurately you can sense someone ELSE's movements, as long as they're close enough. Nothing strange about it.
@@DIREWOLFx75 smh she was trying to teach me back in the day remote viewing and how you can see the attack happen before it happens, i laughed the whole time, it was really silly. Hayes is ok at martail arts there is legit skill you can learn from him for martial arts training, , it's the ninja stuff that's bogus, , i never said his methods did not work, just the idea of him trying to promote Ninjutsu as a marital art, and ninpo tai jutusu as a whole was a joke, the psychic stuff from his wife i did not believe in , i don't believe in psychic ability's sorry
Was there ever a proven and 100% reliable and also confirmed document found which clearly states beyond a shadow of a doubt that "Ninja did not practice Ninja Taijutsu and they did not use hand to hand combat" techniques? Or should we just continue to spread this hopeless lie without any proof?
whoever claims Hatsumi's a fraud, if you actually believe Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is all he knows, you are completely ignorant, his school may teach martial arts related content and skills from centuries ago, but you're conveniently forgetting that Bujinkan was not founded before 1970 and before he joint all 9 ryu into a single school during the early 70s, he had already been taught judo, karate, aikido and kendo, among other disciplines as well no doubt ... so even if mma trash is your go-to mindset, the guy definitely knows judo, so I wouldn't judge a book by its' cover, if you do, you might as well hate on Mikey Musumeci or some other one trick poney bjj dork
Imagine spending your entire life practicing hard at martial arts and having some dude make a living off of lobbing disparaing remarks about you. Say what you will, but as a 35 year practitioner of Jujutsu and Karate, the things Hatsumi does are not phony baloney like those dudes who do no touch junk. He is clearly a real martial artist who was taught by a real martial artist. So goodness, how about pulling back on bashing an old man who worked hard his whole life? Honestly, there must be better things you could do with your talents.
Who are you to demand proof? Why would Masaaki Hatsumi want to prove anything to you? He doesn't care what you think.. You are way out of your league here
Taijiutsu is the whole body inluding invisible senses. I attended first classes in New Zealand under the late Michael Gent. There are gestures and strategies that can disable without touch. Including sensing intentions. I can varify that Taijutsu is very effective because it is used by the Royal SAS in Oxford. Need I say more? Who dares wins oohra!
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when i told some Japanese I was going to Japan to study taijutsu they thought I was into dancing....
I'm 71 years old, soon to be 72. I've studied martial arts at every opportunity from age 21 to age 40 or so, then started my efforts to learn European martial arts for about ten years; in the latter I first joined the SCA which was just sport combat in armour, with too many rules and more scholarly rapier practice. I wasn't fickle, but as a miner my job required many moves, and dojos came and went after they were down to the loyal few. I studied Goju Ryu karate, Japanese Jiujitsu, Shito Ryu karate, Goshin Budo (the samurai arts combined), Ninjutsu at one of Hatsumi's schools in the US, and briefly Hapkido. I know this is not impressive but I hold a green belt in all of them save Hapkido, where I hold a blue. I only mention it so you know that I have more than a passing knowledge of these arts.
What was taught at my Bujinkan school is definitely a martial art and in some ways at a higher level as there's no such thing as "sport" in it. It becomes obvious quickly why they can't compete in tournaments - it's far too brutal, not that karate isn't also without any rules. The problem is that so little we learned was within a set of rules. We tried sparring at "75% speed" once, avoiding any techniques that might maim, and deliberately striking off-center of the trigger/nerve spots and without grappling- and even with that ruleset, people got hurt. If you love to mix it up at full speed, ninjutsu's just not your thing.
When my 13 year old nephew (a video game fanatic, of course) asked me what it was like, I told him that it was the art of escaping trouble. Yes, there are some really horrific fighting techniques, they are mostly used to escape danger. There were a lot of exercises to help you improve your awareness, or "6th sense", and with enough practice they really work. You know how sometimes you'll be, say, sitting in a restaurant and you just "feel" someone behind you staring at you, you turn around quickly and find out that indeed they are? Multiply that feeling by 10, at least. If you've seen the ninjutsu black belt final test, you can spot the ones who have spent a lot of time practicing this and the ones who haven't.
Possibly the best part is that I've learned how to make myself small when I sense trouble's in the air. There's no magical secret to that either, it just takes practice of some fairly simple techniques.
Last paragraph for the TL;DR crowd ...
The most iconic use of the art in practice I can remember was by my classmate Perry. He stopped for an iced tea at a crowded local college bar. Just as he paid, a drunk college jock who was raging at everybody randomly picked Perry out from the crowd (perhaps because Perry wasn't very big) and came after him. Perry slid back, behind a couple of guys, and just as their ranks began to re-form gave the aggressor a quick spritz from a tiny CS/pepper spray he carried on his key-ring and the guy just dropped in his tracks, digging at his eyes. He didn't know what had happened nor who did it. Perry picked up t his tea and slid out the door - no hurry, nothing to call attention to himself, complete deniability because of his stealth so no police questions to answer. The drunk got a lesson (just what he took from it I don't know or care.) Classic example of ninjutsu's "stealth", but in a modern setting. As for me, I'm old and broken (literally, among many other spine injuries I crushed my L-1 vertebrae last fall and you don't heal as fast as when you were young and bulletproof), so now I carry a gun. We don't have many LEOs here in the hinterlands and they may be 20-30 minutes away if you do get a chance to call them. It's the modern shaken/shuriken or tanto.
I lied - THIS is the last paragraph - if you disbelieve that the ninpo arts don't work, find a weekend training event and attend. You get one-on-one training experience with a highly skilled sensei or shihon (well not for the whole time, but they make it a point to make their rounds and work with everyone who's interested). When you watch from the sidelines you'll think "Oh, that guys just playing the patsy for the sensei" - then you step out and he does the same exact thing to you and all you can think of is "how the hell did he get behind me?"
I appreciate the look at the translation issues in regards to clarifying the meaning of the Bujinkan art vs the common perception of "Ninja" from the media. There has always been a gap between the two. The Bujinkan is a warrior art-not a sport. There are no competition tournaments. It's about the ethics of warriorship, community (Buyu), and connecting the mind and body. The magic happens while training.
All of those pictures are in Hatsumi’s 1981 book “Ninjutsu: History and Tradition”. When I first started training in the 80s they were still very much presenting as Togakure Ryu. It wasn’t until the start of the 90s that focus shifted to the nine schools and Bujinkan was presented as an umbrella term for a range of skills taken from those schools. At that time I really don’t think many of us in Europe had a lot of time for Haynes’ approach as he seemed to be enamoured with the esoteric rather than practical fighting skills. Everyone in my dojo was clear that the hand to hand stuff was coming from the non-ninjutsu schools. I think that everyone would be far happier if Hatsumi had made that an official position.
But he did not and his book and interviews clearly say Ninpo taijutsu so there is no way around it
I don't get your point, to be honest. Yes, for all we know, from historical documents, the term "Ninjutsu" doesn't refer to hand to hand combat, but that isn't the same as saying the Ninja knew no hand to hand combat. Most Ryu-Ha, if not all of them, are focused on several disciplines, not just one. Togakure Ryu is a school that includes Ninjutsu(as they claim), but also includes other skills, such as Taijutsu and Kenjutsu. Do you honestly believe the Shinobi didn't train any form of unarmed combat? That's like saying a CIA agent isn't a CIA agent if he has trained hand to hand combat, since what CIA does is intelligence gathering. But they do train hand to hand combat and they have their own methods. So it just makes absolutely no sense to try to use this as proof that what Hatsumi teaches has no correlation with the Ninja.
This has been gone over time and time again. You are missing the point. So many videos have been done on this point. No one is saying that ninja did not do hand to hand combat. No one is saying that
@@AntonyCummins You're not clear about what you're saying in this video other than "proving" Hatsumi claims "Ninpô Taijutsu" has unarmed combat in it. Which he does. So what's your point exactly? Togakure Ryu has said to have 18 discilines in it, which are disciplines a Ninja is expected to master. All of them seem pretty reasonable fot a 16th century spy, i'd say.
If you go to a Bujinkan dojo, what percentage of the training is hand-to-hand combat, and what percentage is stealth, espionage and other traditional ninjutsu skills? If some school claimed they were training spies, but spent 95% of their time doing MMA, wouldn't that disqualify them as an authentic school?
@@black_eagle Ninjutsu is an umbrella term nowadays for skills that supposedly were trained by the Ninja. How often you learn a certain specific skill is not u to me or you to determine. A lot of things can fall into the category of Ninjutsu according to these traditions. If you're unhapppy because you're not learning how to spy people, go train something else. But i've never seen Hatsumi promoting that he will teach you espionage. And even if he does teach you espionage, nobody tells you at what point will you learn it. So it seems you're coming in with your own subjective expectations fueled by incomplete information. Ok, you read a few things about the Ninja. Doesn't mean you know half of the story. Most of the historic documents about the Ninja can't even be validated. They can very well just be fabrications from a creative mind.
@@brunox3042
How do you know Bujinkan isn't a fabrication from a creative mind?
When I look at such old black and white photos, I wonder what kind of life they lived in, whether they were better than ours, there was no Internet, you had to travel halfway around the world to go to a training or seminar. ;)
I attended a full DAY seminar by HATSUMi back when I was a kid- and BELIEVE ME-- it IS a fighting skill. He invited black belts - regardless of ranks- to the seminar and challened them ALL-- and they were welcome to come in groups or one at a time as they felt necessary and he had ALL of them all over the floor- WITHOUT injuries.. I've never seen that before or since. Then he put on a blindfold- kneeled in the middle of the floor sword in sheath-- and random people threw apples at him one at a time and he easily sliced them IN THE AIR... i was one doing the tossing and NO ONE told me when to throw.. Hatsumi is a little fellow and he had a BIG challenger- like 6'4" and Hatsumi jumped flat footed straight up and spin kicked his hat off without touching his head.. After the demo- he spend the rest of the day teaching us all whatever we asked him about. SUCH a gentleman.
Maybe, but it doesn't mean the fighting skills he possessed were a hand to hand combat system belonging to the shinobi of the past.
@@jachyra9 what do you mean?
@@jachyra9 Which is?
There’s a big difference between fighting and self-defense. The historical Ninja, Shinobi, whatever you want to call them had a job to do. One of their most important duties was to deliver intelligence. If they were confronted along the way, they didn’t have the time or even the freedom to engage in a long drawn out battle. They had to use the most expedient method of evasion and escape to complete their mission. So no, it’s not fighting. It’s survival.
@davidwayne9982 The issue isn't whether Hatsumi is a skilled martial artist or whether Bujinkan teaches effective martial arts. The issue is whether it has anything to do with historical ninjutsu. Antony's whole point is there is no evidence for that.
As soon as I saw Hatsumi in purple hair I got the feeling he was all about ego and attention.
Hatsumi died his hair purple after his wife died to honor and remember her. She dyed her hair purple.
@@mrgrinch13 If you say so. It’s not my only reason for thinking it, but it was the thing that got me to notice things, like how he always hits people unnecessarily, the techniques have all the hallmarks of bullshido and that’s usually connected with large egos and cultist behaviours. He has Steven Seagal-vibes for me. He was probably pretty good in his day, but somewhere he lost the plot and now it’s just ridiculous.
Most Japanese people color their hair purple and the seniors too it's common over there just as it's common here for old men to wear hats. But you probably already knew that.
@@sxq9790 if most Japanese people coloured their hair purple, why don’t we see more purple-haired Japanese? He’s the only one I’ve seen.
You know what the purple colour even mean in traditional Japanese culture?
Hatsumi watched 'Shinobi No Mono' one too many times and became enamored with the idea of the "Ninja." So he reverse engineered a "history" and started marketing it. I'm sure he had no idea at first what a massive market that all the nerdy westerners were going to turn out to be, but here we are and the nerds are still practicing shoulder rolls and smoke bombs 50 years later.
Actually, Toda sensei (Hatsumi's teacher) was a consultant on the movie.
Excellent conspiracy theory
That’s a hilarious image - nerds in their backyards rolling around like pricks while setting off smoke bombs, pissing off the neighbors.
Jutsu means "art", not just skill. Once the Tokugawa Shogunate was established and Japan entered into an era of peace, swordsmanship was less about combat and more about art. Hence, many of the martial arts ended in "-jutsu" after this period. Those arts were used way less in actual combat - the wars were over.
That’s not true, well partly. Most turned to do as it progressed.
@@AntonyCummins I didn't mean that it happened quickly, I should have said it happened over time.
But it was in the Edo/Tokugawa Era that you start to see lavish, gorgeous katanas (even gold ones!) because they were never going to be used for actual fighting.
Most gotta know Hatsumis and Takamatsus claims are questionable and I dont think many cate anymore. The Bujinkan is its own animal now regardless of any made up or not history
Anyone from the Bujikan claiming that it was never stated as a martial art/hand to hand is full of shit! Im sorry but Anthony they have been giving you a hard time for years stating that the shinobi had this hand to hand system that they (the Bujikan) now practice. I try not to spew negativity but I have to call BS on the Bujikan followers claiming this.
Antony, I wanted to say that I appreciate your hard word on uncovering the truth of the shinobi. I have been a fan of them since I was knee high, and have really enjoyed your content. The history is absolutely fascinating! Just bought “Book of the Ninja” a month or so ago and am loving it!
Enjoy the book. I hope you do
I’ve always understood that Ninja’s were off duty Samurai, Doing extra assignments for their Shogun.
Hatsumi's Togakure Ryu is HEMA created by Takamatsu. It includes all the ninjutsu books that were already out in the Japanese public at the time. Togakure ryu scrolls has information directly copied from books you can get at the library or buy online today with the exact drawings. None of the Togakure Ryu scrolls are old. They were written by Takamatsu and given to Hatsumi. The other "unique" materials came from the Kuki family makimonos. The Kuki family like many Japanese families had moved on from their family's martial tradition to only be preserved by people whose lineage traced back to the family. Takamatsu was taught the Kuki family arts. He wanted to revive all of their traditions aand began researching their family makimonos that were extensive. He found parts of the bujutsu that the family did not want made pubic like the ninjutsu/pirating/guerilla warfare tactics. He wanted to promote it, and they said no. The two sides parted ways not before Takamatsu copied all of the scrolls in their family. Not to long after that, the Kuki family had a suspicious fire. Their scrolls just so happened to be burned completely. Takamatsu made a new copy for the family, but it was reported that scrolls were incomplete. Notably the information missing was the information that the two sides disputed over. That is where Togakure gets its Kyogetsu Shoge, Senban Shuriken, a secret water cannon to shoot poison water, and Shuko claws. All four weapons would be more commonly used around large wooden ships and water. Basically, they are pirate tools. Those weapons would not make sense for most of the places that most ninja operated. Togakure according to the Bujinkan and others has its origins in the mountain, so why all the unique pirate weapons. Simple, Kukishin has its origins in Wakayama prefecture near the ocean, and they were part of the navy or pirates depending on who you asked. Even the Shuko are impractical if you are familiar with Japanese forestry. Most trees are too large that climbing up to high branches would not give anybody any tactical advantage, or they are small enough that most people could climb them by running up the side and climbing the rest of the way with their hands. They would be useful if you had small wooden boat and park next to a large wooden boat and needed to climb up to attack the ship. Kyogetsu shoge would be used to swing over to ships or lasso small boats and pull them close. Water cannons? Do I really need to explain? Senban Shuriken are used to lift nails in ship building. The other ninjutsu school "Gikan Ryu" is Asayama Ichiden Ryu. Takamatsu was mixing and matching information to create new schools and using the few verifiable schools for legitmacy. Hatsumi passed on the Takagi Yoshin Ryu and Kukishinden to the two youngest students, so they can live on. He gave the suspect schools to the older students to continue his Bujinkan legacy, while those students still get paid in the process. Ninjutsu were guerilla skills that complimented the other samurai skills that later got into the general public. It is no different than modern military vets eventually shariing their knowledge to civilians through employment and training camps.
And the award for The Most Fabricated Unsubstantiated Nonsense About The Nine Ryuha Pulled Out Of Thin Air goes to...
Has anyone ever gleaned any useful information from any of these "scrolls??"
Mark Spada aka "@jachyra9", the same dude on the internet forum known for being a Bujinkan expert because he attended only Kacem Zoughari seminars but not training at a dojo. The same dude that stupidly admitted to committing insurance fraud (Canada, right?). LOL! Try again, fraud!@@jachyra9
@@jwills79yea when I ask about exact details from my ninpo sensei he said "honestly I don't exactly know and even what I have been told there is no absolute truth..the truth is in what you learn, I can't say Learning Ninpo made me a crazy fighter...but I notice other senseis/instructors in other arts/sports always single me out and use me to do demos or dump knowledge/techniques on me and seem eager to teach me (without knowing)...that's probably the oddest thing I have noticed.
I started Ninjutsu in the middle 70s and at least 90% of the lessons were about combat, how to survive attacks and when to run,. Regards
Hello Antony, first of all, I want to say thank you for all your hard work in the field of the history of ninjutsu and samurai martial arts. And I want to ask you a question: in one of your interviews, you mentioned that some of the schools that are incorporated in Bujinkan are authentic and some are not. I would like to know which of them are definitely authentic and have mentions about them in historic documents. I have an interest in Kotō-ryū in particular. Thank you very much.
I’m in a similar position. It seems no one doubts kukishin. I’m not sure of the others.
How would he know? What people who cannot only read and write Japanese, but are native speakers of the language, that are far better qualified to speak about the history.
Another informative vid. No joke though.. Anyway, im pleased happy that you've expounden on Dr Hatsumi's statement about fighting being the least important part of ninjitsu. The Way it was explained to me was simply about the term "martial art" . That martial art literally means military art. From the beginning of basic training, recruits are taught many skills and habits.... one of which is firearms training. An important skill in military, but one of many.
Yes it is important but it does not take away from the fact that ninjutsu has always been promoted has hand to hand from the Bujinkan.
Yes, but that's what non-students know and see; so that's what's sold. Same is true for other arts as well.
Anthony thank you for all you do. Where can I get a copy of Hatsumis Book. And link to pick up your books as well. Thank you 🙏
Most of hatsumi Japanese books are online sellers eBay etc. my books you have to go to your own Amazon.
There is no ninjitsu.
The style is a 1600’s battle tactics to take down fully armoured samurai on the battlefield.
Technically Bujinkan and Taijutsu is a martial arts in the modern world but yes in the ninja world there isn’t any proof I guess but the ninjas did so martial arts
when I started around 85 or so the fight training was refered to as ninjutsu
Same. i started in 1987 and it was called Ninjutsu full stop. And it was being represented as fighting skills of the ninja. the kanji on my blackbelt back then said Bujinkan Dojo Ninpo.
“Jutsu means technique, but it also means heart. Jutsu must come from the heart. Therefore, your heart must be straight and honest.“
From "HIDEN NO TOGAKURE RYU NINPÔ" by Dr Masaaki Hatsumi
That’s what I’m talking about. Twisting words like that
@AntonyCummins or maybe you don't understand what Dr. Hatsumi is saying he's a martial artist through and through.
Steven Heyes is not Hatsumi sensei
In the beginning steven k hays wrote hatsumi a letter in Japanese . And now steven k hays is the master golden dragon his own ninpo do u know what ninpo means
the heart is more significant than the technique or physical skill. So jutsu is not a technique but the way of doing things e.g. science art . Japanese believe this comes from heart nd stomach. hence sepukku harakiri.
Really love your work and research . :)
Thank you very much for your good work, keep it up.
I remember the videos Toda Shinryuken channel with footage of Hatsumi saying ninjutsu is taijutsu and so on. The internet always remembers 😂
Copy them for me?
@@AntonyCummins this is Toda channel: youtube.com/@todashinryuken2001?si=Doo9ztCqYbCxSnKv
Even if they're short the videos offer some nice evidence of what the bujinkan used to say
@@AntonyCumminsand this is another video where he speaks about ninpo-taijutsu
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@@AntonyCumminsyoutube.com/@todashinryuken2001?si=kqmlhy_kp0mNWJyS
Had will Smith flashbacks when he said my wife at the end😅
If they were just honest that its just their style of unarmed combat that came from samurai that has been modernized, i dont think there'd be as much of an issue. The principles are good. But well, not what they advertised
Fuckn love u Antony . I hope u never give up man .
Never!
@@AntonyCummins FUCK YEAH! FREAKING LEGEND
Heard a story from when Stephen Hayes was still training in Japan in the hombu dojo. Has to practicing kusari fundo and wrapping it around his own head.
Nice looking book! Interesting about Hayes using the same pics.
Late night here in Australia so pardon the mistakes
Anthony have you ever considered the possibility that their combat system is unique to their ryu like they claim?
Yes. If it is. It’s crazy.
@@AntonyCummins Hi, Antony one thing about you you always respond to your comments and whatever questions I may ask you. The history is still highly suspect I just considered the possibility that just because the fighting is not in the historical manuals it might be because they have their own unique histories and methods like Sean Askew claims, but most likely it's still made up and probably is all from Gengitsu Itoh's work.🤣
No, it is not unique to their school. Ninja Taijutsu is the same through out all Ninja schools. For example, Masaaki Hatsumi and Junichi Kawakami and even Ronald Duncan have never trained together and were not trained by the same teachers. And yet, by pure random coincidence, they trained the same techniques and principles. Amazing "coincidence" isn't it?... Wow! Amazing!
There are thousands and thousands of techniques that work by the exact same principles in these schools!
These must then be thousands upon thousands of purely random coincidences! For example, by coincidence, they just happen to all use, by complete random coincidence, the Ninja Taijutsu postures known as "Ichimonji no Kamae, Doko no Kamae and Hira no Kamae" as their body postures in combat, even though they have never ever trained together! Awesome coincidences, right? Wow, Amazing!
They all, by pure, random coincidences, practice thousands upon thousands of techniques of Daken taijutsu, Jutaijutsu and taijenj jutsu and they coincidenctly used the same Taijutsu principles! I have practiced in Kawakami's , Hatsumi's and Ronald Duncan's Ninjutsu schools and they all "coincidently" by random luck, use the same names for many, many of their thousands of techniques. Every one of their students will know (by random coincidence) exactly what "Shako ken, boshii ken, sokuyaku ken etc. is. They know what onikudaki is etc. And they all even know exactly where and when to apply these techniques, even though they have never trained together! Awesome random coincidences! Just awesome!
If there is no such thing as Ninja Taijutsu, then why do different Ninjutsu schools, who have never trained together, all have thousands upon thousands of combat techniques that are pretty much the same, with the same body movement and principles and even with the same Japanese names?
This proves that Ninja Taijutsu was trained from master to student and was passed down in secret, without being written down, but instead, was trained live, in die forest or in secrecy, or in the dark and it goes back centuries! And it has survived until today! Otherwise, these are merely thousands upon thousands of completely random coincidences that have all just magically appeared in Japan! Hope this helps!
I really enjoyed this Style and yes it's not the flashiest as there's a style that suits everyone. I enjoy it cause there's no kata's, not to many focus of kicking style so pretty much all close quarters as you'll find out when you have a go. They say the art is for show and is not realistic for the streets. All styles have to develop to adapt to the modern times and Bujinkan like many other styles have done that well. We don't go jumping around like the 80s TV Ninja, but teaching the past from teacher to student has developed well for the modern times. The style is not ment for sport but rather a evasive style, defence style and at last resort a very destructive style to maim and go extreme should your life be on the line. What you put in is what you get out of it, just like any other styles.
Fun fact: Ninja Taijutsu is the same through out all Ninja schools. For example, Masaaki Hatsumi and Junichi Kawakami and even Ronald Duncan have never trained together and were not trained by the same teachers. And yet, by pure random coincidence, they trained the same techniques and principles. Amazing "coincidence" isn't it?... Wow! Amazing!
There are thousands and thousands of techniques that work by the exact same principles in these schools!
These must then be thousands upon thousands of purely random coincidences! For example, by coincidence, they just happen to all use, by complete random coincidence, the Ninja Taijutsu postures known as "Ichimonji no Kamae, Doko no Kamae and Hira no Kamae" as their body postures in combat, even though they have never ever trained together! Awesome coincidences, right? Wow, Amazing!
They all, by pure, random coincidences, practice thousands upon thousands of techniques of Daken taijutsu, Jutaijutsu and taijenj jutsu and they coincidenctly used the same Taijutsu principles! I have practiced in Kawakami's , Hatsumi's and Ronald Duncan's Ninjutsu schools and they all "coincidently" by random luck, use the same names for many, many of their thousands of techniques. Every one of their students will know (by random coincidence) exactly what "Shako ken, boshii ken, sokuyaku ken etc. is. They know what onikudaki is etc. And they all even know exactly where and when to apply these techniques, even though they have never trained together! Awesome random coincidences! Just awesome!
If there is no such thing as Ninja Taijutsu, then why do different Ninjutsu schools, who have never trained together, all have thousands upon thousands of combat techniques that are pretty much the same, with the same body movement and principles and even with the same Japanese names?
This proves that Ninja Taijutsu was trained from master to student and was passed down in secret, without being written down, but instead, was trained live, in die forest or in secrecy, or in the dark and it goes back centuries! And it has survived until today! Otherwise, these are merely thousands upon thousands of completely random coincidences that have all just magically appeared in Japan! Hope this helps!
Thanks for the information in this video
Dr Masaaki Hatsumi watching 😌
Imagine you have a man who executed shinobi missions and at the same time practiced some martial art, does the fact that he execute ninja missions make the martial art he practiced a ninja martial art? well, if the man needs to defend himself in the ninja mission and he knows not any other martial art, the techniques he defended himself with in his mission was indeed practical "ninja martial art" or at least technique, even if the martial system was not intended to be used in ninja missions. Man purposes and intentions mold the tools he uses to himself - a farming fork or a sickle in a ninja hand becomes a ninja martial weapon.
WTF? Of course the Bujinkan in the 80s was about fighting! Togakure ryu license were given several Americans.
Why don't you put a link to your website in the text?
Www.natori.co.uk
I often wonder if Hatsumi would have been taken more seriously if he had sold Bujinkan as being like the Japanese version of HEMA as opposed to a modern martial art.
I think that would have been perfect
Ignore this guy he is just trolling. Good question posted
@@jachyra9 Come back when you have some work to show
@@jachyra9 sell=promoted, Actually Hema could be regarded as a martial art the guys involved in the amour combat or m-1 medieval side of it very much see themselves as martial artists.
According to Glenn Morris( who wrote Pathnotes of an American Ninja Master, which was about his time in the Bujinkan) this system has ties to the Tengu, which actually watch over the students and make them a part of the family, so to speak.
Whether someone believes this is even possible(I'm guessing most here don't) IF this martial art system is good enough for the Tengu to support and defend those under it, then maybe, just maybe, it's legit enough, regardless of it's origins.
Not to mention, Morris' claims in his eyes, that it's the most complete martial system he's ever seen or practiced, himself.
This is coming from a man who was an army medic, who was taught and practiced a bunch of different martial arts.
All this is not even going into the more esoteric parts of the system, as well as his own experiences with meditation, awakening the chi, the raising of kundalini, his many experiences of energy exchange with Hatsumi, energy healing, forms of enlightenment, etc.( also things most probably won't even believe until it's happened to them)
An excellent book, and a real eye-opener that I highly recommend to anyone interested in the Bujinkan, and the more esoteric subjects of meditation, energy healing, and chi gung 🤙
In all honesty, Mr Morris was a marginal character even for the Bujinkan.
He was not anyone of any authority or expertise in ninjutsu and his ideas were mostly fantasy. He was a nice man, but hardly an authority.
@@domocecc7714 He was recognized enough by Hatsumi to spend personal time with him, and be energetically healed by him. 🤔
I'm curious. Did you actually try any of the chi gung/meditations that Morris recommends in his book?
Even Stephen Hayes(more widely recognized in the Bujinkan) believes in things like the kuji Kiri "ninja magic."
I'm guessing not because of your statement of his ideas being mostly fantasy.
It's a funny thing, this psychic/energetic stuff.
Many people see movies and fantasize about having all these great powers, but when real power begins to knock, the conscious mind tends to run away in order to go back to the fantasy of power.
Even if one starts accepting the power, there is no SOP for it, no instruction manual.
You become like Mr. Hinkley from The Greatest American Hero, who has the suit, but lost the instructions on how to use it, so you fumble around as best you can testing and tweaking things to see how it really works.
This is all until you find some qualified master of it, who can help you further along on your path, and even THEY don't have all the answers.
Anyways, the one thing that I thought was biased of him though, was his downplaying of men compared to women in his books, which I understand definitely could happen once you start awakening the feminine aspect of consciousness.
@domocecc7714 Agreed. He was straight up nutty. Maybe a " healer " but not much of a martial artist.
Bujinkan is not even recognized as a Koryu, so it cannot even pretend to claim Ninjutsu until it's recognized by Koryu certifying bodies that it is even a historical martial art. Cross the Koryu bridge first, until then, it's completely useless and moot to even entertain the Ninja discussion in relation to Bujinkan.
@jachyra9 Koryu is defined as any pre-mejis restoration japanese bujutsu. If tokagure-ryu is an art practiced by shinobi, then it should by rights be a koryu. It is absolutely not listed in the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten (encyclopedia of ((japanese)) martial arts schools) which is the only really reliable catalog of ancient Japanese ryuha. There is no "body" that claims to be an authority involved. That is the sum of the historical record, within which tokagure-ryu does not exist. That is the only "metric" by which these things are judged.
There is nothing wrong with being a gendai art. There IS something wrong with being a gendai art, masquerading as a koryu. You're welcome.
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thank you.
@@hardcaliber19 "There is nothing wrong with being a gendai art. There IS something wrong with being a gendai art, masquerading as a koryu."
Except that there's no masquerading happening.
It was said from the start that it's effectively both and neither due to incomplete lineages.
Koryu bodies aren't the gatekeepers of what's real and what's not. Many Ryu-Ha survived but didn't conserve enough documentation to be accepted into these organizations. A lot has been lost. A lot has been transmitted through Kuden. For example: I make a recipe i learned from my grandma. She learned from her grandma. And her grandma learned from hers. So this recipe supposedly has hundreds of years. Could i present documentation to prove it? No. I have nothing written down. I can't even prove i ever made it to myself. Does it mean it's all a lie? No. It's real. See? Not everything is written down in documents that survive hundreds of years. That's highly unusual. Also, Hatsumi did allow them to see the scrolls but only if they came to see him. He didn't want the scrolls taken away for examination because of the risk of damaging them. Yeah, it may all be fake, but it's not because it isn't recognized as a Koryu.
@DIREWOLFx75 This is where you're mistaken. An art CANNOT be both Koryu and Gendai. If an art form was pulled together from a variety of Koryu arts after the Mejis restoration, then it is a GENDAI art. There are innumerable examples of gendai art forms whose techniques all come from various koryu. In fact, that is ALL gendai arts.
If hatsumi claims his art form, as it exists now, was practiced by Shinobi, then that is false. Full stop. There is no historical record of this art existing prior to the mejis restoration. If he has proof, then produce it. This nonsense in the comment above about "you gotta go see him. He doesnt want them to be damaged" is laughable. Photos dont damage scrolls, last I checked. If this is an art largely passed down through verbal instruction, then a photo of the scrolls poses no threat to his ownership of it.
If he claims that his artform contains *techniques* utilized by shinobi, that is totally fine (as it is almost definitely true, though not as a form of "ninjutsu", but as jujutsu, kenjutsu, iaido, etc.), but then his art is GENDAI. It is really that simple. This has nothing to do with organizations or criteria. It is *when* the art existed. The art. Not the techniques. That is the only criteria. When.
Jutsu can mean technique, method, trick, spell, or skill. But as usual, Cummins is cherry-picking, for the meaning, that best suits his narrative.
Very interesting material, Antony! I always enjoy your videos. This one reminded me of something I'd heard before, and I wondered if you might weigh in on it. I've heard people say that kenjutsu was really a misnomer, as ken refers to a straight blade, like a Chinese jian. In other words, it's been claimed that kenjutsu is a term that's been around since before the Japanese used curved swords, and they simply persisted in using the term, after the katana came about. Do you reckon there's anything to this?
Ken can just be the generic term for any sword, same as katana can just mean blade. It’s a good question though. What is the start dates for the jutsus
@@AntonyCummins Ah- I've unintentionally left out part of this story. The same source... I can no longer remember what the source was, unfortunately... said that 'to' was to a curved blade, as 'ken' is to a straight one. Like a generic curved blade and a generic straight blade. I think the idea was that it should really be called 'tojutsu.' Not sure if that has any bearing, or even if it's technically correct, but there it is.
And 'how long have the jutsu phrases been around' really is an interesting question, now that you mention it.
There have been other documents that go back to the 1700’s (outside the Bujinkan altogether) that have both Ninpo and Taijutsu/Jiujutsu used in construct. This is another gaslighting video post in a 14-year stint. Buckling down on the narrative doesn’t make it any more true.
Please email them to me. So far no one has ever found them so I’d have to see it to believe it
The above has images of it. Densho outside the Bujinkan Ryu that have Ninpo Jiujutsu as a construct.
The text has the history behind it into the Edo period. Feel free to get your translator that does the leg work, and the title of the book from the post, and check it out as a source. But it’s a beginning point to show that Ninpo associated with Taijutsu/Jiujutsu is not particular to Takamatsu as you have claimed. It might be a minority tradition coming out of the Edo period into the Meiji Era, but not a fabrication.
This also has bukijutsu attached to it in the tradition as well stemming from Ninpo Jiujutsu.
If this tradition is a Oniwaban member tradition like the Toda’s were in the public records, then this is likely Edo period semantic example among the Oniwaban/Onmitsu families operatives (which were Iga families).
Taijutsu yes. Ninpo Taijutsu no.
@@maktikithat doesn’t even make sense. The text had “Ninpo Jiujutsu.”
Why do flakes say weird stuff….always….it never fails.
read this CLASSICAL FIGHTING ARTS OF JAPAN: A Complete Guide to Koryu Jujutsu@@mountaineerjdm
You didnt explain why it matters?
I used to own that history and tradition book, damn almost forgot about it! I also used to do the taijutsu dancing back in the late 80s. It was great fun and most of the techniques worked for me and some didn't, but on balance I won more times than I lost because of it . Maybe I was just lucky that I didn't meet a professional boxer or some mutant.
I would be dying if you did a review on Ghost of Tsushima, Sensei.
I will try but I have never played it
Seriously, 5 minutes in and 1, i have no idea what you're arguing, 2, you're ranting more than arguing and 3, you're fixating on minutiae to the extreme.
In short, you sound like you're fanatically pushing a personal pet peevee more than anything else, and even near the end of the video i'm mostly just "huh?" because i have no idea what your issue was that caused the video. Because no, i'm not a hardcore ranter part of the community.
No, tai-jutsu does not automatically equate to martial arts(just MOST of the time). Otherwise parkour, to take a hyperobvious example would never ever be referred to as taijutsu.
But because parkour is literally BODY SKILL, it is sometimes referred to as such.
You can also hear advanced gymnastics referred to as taijutsu, though (probably) uncommon.
There's also bodybuilding using the name, but i think that's much more rare and it's literally years since last time i saw it.
Then rewatch the video. You are watching with your own negative intent
@@AntonyCummins No, you did not ever properly state what you were trying to refute or what the original argument was.
Which basically leaves me with a big "meh, why should i care?".
@@DIREWOLFx75 Hatsumi means martial arts by the word taijutsu. This is evidence from all the martial arts pictures in the books. Seems like you didn't actually watch the video.
have you looked at sean askew's research on ninjutsu?
I’m aware of it but to my understanding it’s all conjecture and no evidence for anything. It’s maybe this and maybe that book.
@@AntonyCummins ok.
Can someone answer this for me? Is there any real self defense benefit in a bujinkan dojo or is it better to do karate?
Only if you have a great teacher
This is my honest opinion as someone with experience in karate and Bujinkan as a teenager and who currently trains Muay Thai and Brazilian jiujitsu: The self defense benefits of training Bujinkan are that you learn good break falling, you train with weapons, and you develop some degree of situational awareness. That's really it though. If it came down to it, I would much rather train mostly in a martial art like Muay Thai or Brazilian jiujitsu for unarmed fighting and sometimes do Bujinkan, versus training solely in Bujinkan.
@@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 I have a second-degree black belt in Goni ryu karate but when the pandemic came, my instructor shut down, and I started going to bujinkan. The instructor is really good, but it seems like the class lives more in a fantasy world. Like a bunch of grown-ups hooked on dungeons and dragons. The weapons stuff is pretty cool, but I’m just contemplating going back to Goni ryu and take some of the bujinkan training with me.
@@timalrand9283 The founder of the Bujinkan, Hatsumi Masaaki, he has a famous saying that sums up the Bujinkan in a nutshell..."OK, go play".
Bujinkan training is a lot more like playing than it is fighting.
NO.
instead of wasting your time trying to spread division within the already severely targetted and fragile ninja community, you should focuss your time and energy on exposing the frauds that have zero respect for ninjutsu id est MMA, BJJ, Grappling and Kickboxing ...
Is there a meaningful distinction in your opinion between "ninjutsu" and "ninpo taijutsu?" I've stopped referring to my martial arts training as "ninjutsu" because of the very topic of your channel (thank you for what you do). Ive still been calling it "ninpo taijutsu" because ive considered that more accurate, to mean what happens when you apply the hidden aspect of ninjutsu as a warefare philosophy to martial arts waza done by the samurai. That is to say you are doing samurai martial arts in a subtlely different way, suppressing kiai and not giving the opponent any information through your movement. Do you think there might be something to be said for that take?
Ninjutsu skills of the ninja. Ninpo taijutsu a made up 20th century term.
@AntonyCummins I agree and would say that Togakure Ryu was likely invented by Takematsu himself. The fake lineage is problematic, but apart from that I don't see anything wrong with viewing it as a reconstructed system that has the intention of showing something like what ninja may have fought like. Which is how I indeed view Togakure Ryu. But the false lineage is why I have distanced myself from the Bujinkan as an organization while still training those arts themselves.
i think its more of a sampling of the understanding of how jiu/taijutsu principles operate proof about proof lol the title
This doesn't prove that the Ninja did not practice Ninja Taijutsu. All it proves is that Antony Cummins has an unproven theory. And basically , this unproven theory is that he thinks that " even though they were sent on life and death missions and had to survive in very hostile territories, Ninja possibly might not have practiced Ninja Taijutsu". However, so far this theory has never been proven by any reliable documents, nor by any eye witnesses.
It's very telling when someone spends more time trying to criticize others arts than he does promoting his own.
he is not a nnja,,,ninjas dissapeared more than 300 year ago...there is not ninja techniques..
No "real" Shinobi school would admit that they even exist much less teach the public and advertise.
Not true, Natori Ryu admitted they existed.
@@dwl3006 after they were active
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why? what difference would it make? People are a lot more transparent these days. The CIA doesn't hide what it does.
@@dwl3006 the practice of Shinobijutsu is a felony in every country in the world and is considered terrorist training in most. Openly practicing sabotage, espionage, arson, assassination and kidnapping is a crime unless it is done by a government and then it is still a crime in other countries. Practicing Jiujitsu/Taijutsu in a black gi with tabi is not Shinobijutsu.
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Araki Ryu for example practices assassination techniques. Nobody is stopping them from training. You can learn espionage techniques by going through private investigator training.
I have many books on Japanese Jujutsu, and they all have some history terms in them of Taijutsu/Yawara/Jujutsu as the same meaning or combative techniques.
Not donating as I keep buying your books. 🤣🤣
Ya see fbi training hatsumi sas so why would they probably they would learn part of system that wasn't taught to someone who wasn't mil etc
Ommanipadmehum
I see, Antony Cummins info as looking at a form of Kyojutsu or misinformation & disinformation & Truth.
This doesn't seem to say anything other than Hatsumi said X and you say, "nuh-uh." You seem to be incredibly reliant on the Bujinkan for your "career." There are two people you could probably go to, but you won't. You will continue to post videos on the internet and publish books that have little meaning and even poorer translations. That's fine. It seems a large waste of time, but your self-worth seems to be wrapped up in this. At the end of the day, you want to be something, but you are not really willing to do any real work on it.
What ”ninja community”? It’s called Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu - collection of Samurai and ”ninja” techniques - but they were called ”shinobi no mono” back then.
You need to have been in longer. It used to be Ninpo Taijutsu before that
@@AntonyCummins Actually my first degree WAS in ”Bujinkan Ninpo Taijutsu” but I had to redo everything to get a degree in Bujinkan BUDO Taijutsu.
Tai refers to using "the whole" as one. The whole includes the body, your weapons, your opponents weapons, your allies weapons, everyone else's bodies and any mounts or vehicles. It refers to everything at play on the battlefield... is a lot more than just "hand to hand". Anyone spending more than 1 year actually learning real taijutsu will know this. There is a challenge within the bujinkan in that not all students learn the same things and commentators even less. That is good though, secret arts always work better when they are kept a secret.
so they be lying again trying to protect themselves i used to train with hayes my self in the 90's he would tell us it was a martail art and his wife would try to teach us to be psychic that in it'self was bogus , all they do is hurt the real ninja by lying
"that in it'self was bogus"
I don't know exactly what you refer to, but Hayes training methods worked quite well as far as i know.
And no, not "psychic", it was a matter of training up your sensitivity. And it is a perfectly functional skill. Just difficult.
If you move your hand along your arm, without touching it, you can still EASILY feel where your moving hand is.
Because of HEAT. Because of static electricity. Because of the natural magnetic field of humans. Because the movement disturbs the hair on your arm either directly, or indirectly via moving air around.
And if you practice how to feel that, you CAN increase the range and eventually how accurately you can sense someone ELSE's movements, as long as they're close enough.
Nothing strange about it.
@@DIREWOLFx75 smh she was trying to teach me back in the day remote viewing and how you can see the attack happen before it happens, i laughed the whole time, it was really silly. Hayes is ok at martail arts there is legit skill you can learn from him for martial arts training, , it's the ninja stuff that's bogus, , i never said his methods did not work, just the idea of him trying to promote Ninjutsu as a marital art, and ninpo tai jutusu as a whole was a joke, the psychic stuff from his wife i did not believe in , i don't believe in psychic ability's sorry
@danielbaker9771 Who are these "real ninja"?
Isn't this a brotti trying to make sense? Well played to lose against soooo many cultures. Go England!
More verbal diahorrea from this host.
Was there ever a proven and 100% reliable and also confirmed document found which clearly states beyond a shadow of a doubt that "Ninja did not practice Ninja Taijutsu and they did not use hand to hand combat" techniques? Or should we just continue to spread this hopeless lie without any proof?
You do not understand how history works
whoever claims Hatsumi's a fraud, if you actually believe Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is all he knows, you are completely ignorant, his school may teach martial arts related content and skills from centuries ago, but you're conveniently forgetting that Bujinkan was not founded before 1970 and before he joint all 9 ryu into a single school during the early 70s, he had already been taught judo, karate, aikido and kendo, among other disciplines as well no doubt ... so even if mma trash is your go-to mindset, the guy definitely knows judo, so I wouldn't judge a book by its' cover, if you do, you might as well hate on Mikey Musumeci or some other one trick poney bjj dork
Imagine spending your entire life practicing hard at martial arts and having some dude make a living off of lobbing disparaing remarks about you.
Say what you will, but as a 35 year practitioner of Jujutsu and Karate, the things Hatsumi does are not phony baloney like those dudes who do no touch junk.
He is clearly a real martial artist who was taught by a real martial artist.
So goodness, how about pulling back on bashing an old man who worked hard his whole life? Honestly, there must be better things you could do with your talents.
I love Hatsumi
90 percent of your videos are about the Bujinkan smh.
We get it you don't like them.
Why are you so heartbroken 😊
you're simply wrong, anyway, the proof is in the tasting of the pudding
Who are you to demand proof? Why would Masaaki Hatsumi want to prove anything to you? He doesn't care what you think.. You are way out of your league here
E begging bro? There is paid work in Britain and you can enjoy your hobby as a sideline....just saying
Taijiutsu is the whole body inluding invisible senses. I attended first classes in New Zealand under the late Michael Gent. There are gestures and strategies that can disable without touch. Including sensing intentions. I can varify that Taijutsu is very effective because it is used by the Royal SAS in Oxford. Need I say more? Who dares wins oohra!
Ninpo Taijutsu has become the martial art of the Ninja, being that Takamatsu and Hatsumi are the only ones in a position to refine it create it.