Was Rameses II The Greatest Pharaoh Of Ancient Egypt? | Dan Snow's History Hit
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- The life, reign, and legacy of Rameses II, one of the greatest pharaohs of ancient Egypt. Exploring dynastic history, military exploits, cultural influence, and architectural achievements, Dr. Campbell Price sheds light on Rameses II's mark on Egyptian civilization. From the colossal temple at Abu Simbel to the Battle of Kadesh, don't miss out on the fascinating discussion about his relationship with Queen Nefertari, his 66-year-long reign, and whether he was the true pharaoh of the bible Exodus.
0:00 - Rameses the ‘Great’
01:21 - The New Kingdom
02:34 - Rameses II's Succession: Born to the Purple
05:19 - Kings’ Lists
06:48 - Rameses II's Military Expeditions: Kadesh
9:23 - Rameses II’s Wives and Children
10:21 - Rameses the God?
10:59 - Nefertari in Rameses II’s reign
14:26 - The mummy!
15:20 - The Stripping of the Gold
15:46 - The Exodus and Rameses II: The Tyrant
17:08 - The First Egyptian Egyptologist - Rameses II’s Son
18:33 - Ghost story
19:22 - Rameses’ Legacy and the Spynx
19:43 - Rameses II’s Architecture
22:15 - Rameses’ Reputation
23:54 - Overshadowed by Tutankhamun
24:31 - Underwear
25:22 - Conclusion
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Dr Price has probably been waiting to say Wham, Bam, Thank you Ram to a wider audience for years. :P
Dr. Campbell Price is a delight to listen too! Thank you both for a wonderful discussion!
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As an 'arty' kind of guy, my favorite pharaoh was always Seti I because of the beautiful wall paintings in his tomb.
Gotta thank those tomb artistic elite that lived near the tombs! Working day and night those guys, they certainly became the paint and imprinted life itself as the ancient Egyptians believed it to be. Creation of creation ❤ wishing you peace ✌️
Considering the average lifespan of an average Egyptian back then was around 25 years, during the long reign of Rameses , generations of citizens were born, lived and died not knowing any pharaoh other than Rameses which would have gone some way in building the legend about his immortality.
Would the child mortality rate not have skewed the numbers
No. That number is because of child mortality. Once you made it into your teenage years you life span was into the 60s. Based of course on your class and gender because maternal mortality was 30%.
@@weeroger7048Exactly that.
Higher infant mortality skews the average down, but once you reach adulthood they could expect a lifespan similar to a modern person.
Shiva delete your stupid comment
If you reached 2 years you had a good change to live in your fifties or sixties. Child mortality was more than 50%.
Can you do a show on the Ancient Egyptian administrative state? I think people underestimate how important the state was in people's daily lives. We think of bureaucracy as modern, but the ancient Egyptian state was a massive bureaucratic state. Just look at the endless bread factories that surrounded the ancient pyramids.
Late 90s I visited in Egypt, stayed mostly in Luxor, and saw many buildings built by Rameses II, and hieroglyphs about him. Then went to Cairo, to the museum, and suddenly met the man, or better his mummy. I'm a tall guy, 193 cm, he was about as tall. I'll never forget that moment.
did you see any statues of rameses ii?
@@tsa3b Oh yes, there were huge ones in the Luxor temple. Also visited his tomb in the Valley of the Kings. The scale of it all, thinking these were over 3000 year things, was amazing. Marc Antony had carved his name on the pedestal of one statue, which was already over a thousand years old when he saw it.
@@JakeKilka im curious do the statues resemble the images from recreations at all,im struggling to see any resemblance
Rameses II is a fascinating historical figure, no doubt about that.
His long live caused the decline of Egypt like that of Pepi 2 did.
You don't get a poem like Ozymandias written about you unless you were legendary in history.
I was a traveller in an antique land.
@@Cross-Carrier "I met a traveller from an antique land who said..."
@@theoverthinkingalien224 two vast and trunkless legs of stone stand in the desert
@@Cross-Carrier "near them, on the sand, half sunk, a shattered visage lies"
@@theoverthinkingalien224 who's frown and wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Love an Iron Maiden reference
Fascinating. Thank you, both.
"Wham Bam Thank You, Ram!" ❤😊
Thanks Dr Price, Dan and team. Good this. 🌟👍
This was so entertaining to watch, you can tell just how passionate he is about Egyptology
So good.
So…good.
Thank you!
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Thanks for the show 👍
I'm more of a Thutmose III kind of guy, personally. Ramses II was a great Pharaoh but he lived too long. His greatest deeds occurred early in his reign, after which he had what I call a midlife crisis and by the end, when his 13th son FINALLY succeeded him he was an old man too. The empire was stagnant and weakened. Then the Bronze Age Collapse happened.
I too had a Siamese called Ramesses in the 1970s.
Thutmose III was Egypt's greatest warrior who never lost a battle. And is often referred to as Egypt's Napoleon.. I too prefer Thutmose III he is often ignored.
That sounds pharaoh-nuff to me 😊
Excellent episode. I learned a bit. Thank you.
Brilliant!
More please...
What a fantastic episode, thank you both. Cambell you are a star on UTube
Fabulous discussion. ❤
Brilliant, thank you
Thanks guys
An informative and wonderful historical coverage video about Rameses II ,a great pharaoh of Ancient Egypt history...thank you 🙏 ( history Hit) channel for sharing
Mansion of a million years.... Bamm! nicely well defined.
Hatshepsut's Punt delegation brought back 31 live myrrh plants. Hatshepsut's Punt delegation returned with 31 of live myrrh plants.
Omg he was fantastic to listen too ❤❤
Yes :)
nice 💯💪🏻
Interesting video
"Wham, bam, thank you, Ram." 😄 20:34
I always think of Ramesses II as Del Boy
Rameses II... Great Pharaoh, or the Greatest Pharaoh?
"May be he's never gonna die..." Exactly what I tought of Elizabeth II.
all kings of Egypt where great, we poor souls dare not look at the king or our head would have been chopped off.
Can u guys do another war diaries like the panzer crew in babarosa
Somalia - Continuing Puntite Traditions
In Hatshepsut’s temple, an expedition shows Punt Land located in present day Somalia. The ancient Somali name for their region was "Bunn", a name referenced in texts related to trade with the pharaohs as "Pwenet" or "Pwene", and the region is known as "Bunni" today. The culture of Punt Land bears several resemblances to that of the ancient Egyptians, such as language, ceremonial dress, and the arts
Yeah, those ancient kingdoms seem to last a long time, but on the other hand, time and communications and travel was A LOT SLOWER THEN THAN IT IS NOW. It should be no surprise that things were a bit more stable then: it took time to find out what happened even 60 miles away.
Rameses truly was GREAT!
How do you think Ramses I I got the New Grange technology for his coronation temple ie. The sun rises on a certain day every year like the 21st of December or winter solstice in Ireland 🇮🇪.
We have a gerbil named Ozymandias, King of Kings, look upon his works, ye mighty, and despair. He is identical to his brothers Hercules and Aganomnom 🐹
He was conqueror and builder truly a roman at heart lol
Other way around
Thanks for the show. It will be a relief to have all the people who claim they are King Tut reincarnated, again saying they are Ramses II reincarnated instead.
That was fantastic! I want more. Thanks.
In Somalis, the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) was estimated to be 4000-5000 years (2,500 BCE) for the haplogroup E-M78 cluster γ and 2100-2200 years (150 BCE) for Somali T-M184 bearers.[9]
Deep subclade E-Y18629 is commonly found in Somalis and has a formation date of 3,600 YBP (years before present) and a TMRCA of 2,600 YBP.[
Dan is aging like a fine wine.
Imagine a couple hundred years from now how advanced we will be so I don’t understand how they go forward for thousands of years? And they got no tech or metal tools?
They never got past human, horse and wood power. Once you discover electricity and also vast amounts of energy in fossil fuels then you can develop far quicker. It just took a very long time for humans to develop to the point where we get industry then it is exponential.
Hypothetically, the E3b1, cluster y lineage, originated in Northeast Africa around 9600 years ago. However, it was estimated that the lineage was introduced to the Somali around 5000 years ago with later expansion. Generally, 81.1% of the Somalis, including 75.1% E3b1, cluster y , belong to major clade E3b.
Need 4k
Hypothetically, the E3b1, cluster y lineage, originated in Northeast Africa around 9600 years ago. However, it was estimated that the lineage was introduced to the Somali around 5000 years ago with later expansion. Generally, 81.1% of the Somalis, including 75.1% E3b1, cluster y , belong to major clade E3b.
The big guy ...king khufu 🤟🏿
The point of origin of the e1b1b hg is the Horn of Africa. Somalia has the highest frequency and complexity of the e1b1b hg. This haplogroup is sometimes called Somalid haplogroup because of that.1 Jan 2019
Proto-Somalis were the ancient people and ancestors of Somalis who lived in present-day Somalia.[1] Literature on proto-Somalis largely uses a time-frame pertaining to the 1st millennium BC and 1st millennium AD.[2]
History
The Puntites were ancient Cushites who are believed to have traded myrrh, spices, gold, ebony, short-horned cattle, ivory, and frankincense with neighbouring Ancient Egypt and with ancient Mesopotamia through their commercial ports. An Ancient Egyptian expedition sent to Punt by the 18th dynasty Queen Hatshepsut is recorded on the temple reliefs at Deir el-Bahari, during the reign of the Puntite King Parahu and Queen Ati.[3]
Honestly that could be anyone in the picture and video we don’t know. WE only know what they tell us. It is up to “us” to do the research 😘
The show was appreciated. It would be a relief if those who believe they are King Tut's reincarnation instead claimed to be Ramses II's reincarnation.
E1b1b (E‐M293) haplogroup. This haplogroup is considered to have an East African origin, and it has been associated with the spread of pastoralism from East Africa to southern Africa (Henn et al., 2008; Trombetta et al., 2015).
Proto-Somalis were the ancient people and ancestors of Somalis who lived in present-day Somalia. Literature on proto-Somalis largely uses a time-frame pertaining to the 1st millennium BC and 1st millennium AD.
its so difficult to measure time and try to make a compression. The spirit of Rome was like 900 years. Today people go out side to the corner of the street they can buy everything and we get older too. back than 50 years old was really really old and what a life went true in a 100 years? what's the spirit of Egypt 4000 years? I think we know so little :)
This interview scratches the surface of various interesting themes then leaves them unexplained, such as the last one about Ramases II's tomb not being finished and continually expanded while his son builds his own, and describing the Battle of Kadesh as happening in 'the Levant', (then lots of blather blather), rather than just saying 'Western Syria'. Alastair Sooke's series on Egyptian art is far more informative, particularly at the beginning where he steps out a timeline of Egyptian kingdoms in the desert and extends the line up to the present day, to give the viewer as sense of perspective. Indispensible. And yes Dan, you've got go to Abu Simbel, it's amazing.
Ramses the Greatest 🔥☀️
Having ancient Egyptian remains being compared to an Iron Maiden album cover by an Egyptologist was not on my bingo card.
I read a theory that Rameses (of the appropriate period)and Moses were one and the same person. The theory goes that the name was actually Ra-Moses or Ramose meaning born of Ra, hence the reason a "lowly Jewish baby" could grow up to be so powerful in the Egyptian court. The suggestion being that he was always an Egyptian prince who became a monotheist.
Sure Jan
Just to clarify some things in this video:
1. The Land Of Punt was definitely a real place and a source of raw goods that the Puntites traded with the Egyptians. There are archeological evidence of Hatshepsut’s voyage to Punt and she even references the Land of Punt as where her mother was from.
2. The battle of Kadesh is a tricky one as it definitely DID happen, but historians are split between who actually one. The ancient Egyptians to my knowledge did not lose any territory in the Middle East, nor did the Hittites. So a stalemate seems more likely.
3. The Exodus story has already been proven to be a myth based on actual historical events. One possible inspiration could be the expulsion of the Hyksos out of Egypt by Ahmose the 1st. The idea that Ramses ii was the “pharaoh” mentioned in Moses’ Exodus story is not historically possible. Ramses the great lived a long prosperous life and his mummy wasn’t found at the bottom of the Red Sea, lol.
4. Many ancient Egyptian busts and statues ARE realistic portrayals of their subjects. There were generic depictions of course, but much like in the modern world the ancient Khemites would’ve put a lot of effort into generate believable art. Modern artists and engineers are still amazed at how detail Egyptian art is to the point of even entertaining the idea that they used unknown advanced technology. The unique features and imperfections on one’s face were beautifully captured by Khemetic artists when creating portraits. Many statues, like the famous queen Tiye bust, have a life-like poise to them.
5. This is just my opinion, but I think Amenhotep iii was a more interesting king than Ramses ii. Rameses is definitely cool in his own way, but Amenhotep iii is really underrated and accomplished a lot artistically. Like the guy in the video said, Ramses ii patterned his artistic sensibilities after Amenhotep iii who ushered in a golden age of Egyptian art. And I do agree that Hatshepsut was a great ruler too and she deserves way more attention. Especially when compared to cleopatra.
I wrote this comment to address certain points made in this video that weren’t necessarily accurate. But both the presenter and his guest are very knowledgeable about ancient Egypt and I learned some new things here (like a mummy ghost story was actually an ancient and not a modern concept 😅).
No such ethnicity as 'Khemites' ever existed. It is invention of afrocentrists.
'Many statues, like the famous queen Tiye bust, have a life-like poise to them' - You are talking about this small darkened bust that had nothing to do with how Tiye actually like? Yeha... gerat argument.
'Ramses the great lived a long prosperous life and his mummy wasn’t found at the bottom of the Red Sea, lol. ' - I agree with your overall ocnclusions about Exodus, BUT Exodus nowhere states that Pharaoh drowned. It was his army that lost lives - Pharaoh survived.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 You should learn how to spell before coming at me. 😆
1. Queen Tiye's bust was not darkened, but painted dark. You can see paint strokes on the surface of the bust. Come on now!
2. My jab at the Exodus story was more of a joke pointing at the LACK of archaeological evidence for the Exodus story. No chariots have been found at the bottom of the Red Sea so far!
3. Only a euronut would get offend by the term "Khemet." Khemet comes from the ancient Egyptian word for their land, KMT. Vocalized, this word would more likely be pronounced K-E-M-E-T or K-H-A-M-I-T. Pick your poison, but why get butt hurt over the ACTUAL name for Egypt? 🤔
We know why...😬
Horemheb, he brought the country back from the brink.
I think Tutmosis iii was the greatest of the new kingdom pharao’s. Middle kingdom Mentuhoteph ii is also a good candidate
His arm waving is of Magnus Pyke proportions, if not worse.
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Psusennes I the Silver Pharaoh
I wouldn't call him 'the greatest'. Even if he was most powerful ruler in his dynasty, he ruled de facto only in Northern Egypt. I think to call Pharaoh 'Great', he/she should be in charge of both parts of Egypt.
which pharaoh met brandon frazier?
None of them for two reasons....one....the character in the movie didn't meet a Pharaoh and two...the actors name is Brendan Fraser not Brandon Frazier 😁
None. The titular mummy wasn't a pharaoh, it was a priest named Imhotep.
Rameses III, defeated the sea people invasion. The empire survived the bronze age collapse.
Wish the host wouldn't keep cutting him off. I can feel the tension of the guest having to speak fast to get in some words before being cut off.
May fiberit Dynasty in Egypt is khus kingdom en tolmeg Dynasty Greek
Rami the g
King of kings is a common title way before Ramses ,,,,
Thank you
Egyexit lol ;-p I'm sure they had that too .. we suppose to go thru all the same tests of life
facts, Somalis are the origins of Haplogroup E1b1b.15 Jul 2019
proto somali...punt ..land of Gods..Distributionedit
In Africa, E-M215 is distributed in highest frequencies in the Horn of Africa and North Africa, specifically in the countries Somalia and Morocco, whence it has in recent millennia expanded as far south as South Africa, and northwards into Western Asia and Europe (especially the Mediterranean and the Balkans).[10][11][12][13] E-M281 has been found in Ethiopia.[11]
Almost all E-M215 men are also in E-M35. In 2004, M215 was found to be older than M35 when individuals were found who have the M215 mutation, but do not have M35 mutation.[10] In 2013, Di Cristofaro et al. (2013) found one individual in Khorasan, North-East Iran to be positive for M215 but negative for M35.[14]
📖 *REVELATION 19:16* KJV
16 And He hath on His Vesture and on His Thigh a name written, *KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.*
➕️ GOD Bless you
They didn’t build the Sphinx or the Giza pyramids
Wham bam, thank you Ram. 😂
NO HE WASNT! It was Tutmosis III, who pushed the borders of ancient Egypt to their greatest extent than ever before or after
punt is a real place its not fake news
Rameses the 2nd looks ALOT LIKE ROCKEFELLER
Nope
What Empire created the current Sixth Mass Earth extinction event ? A clue, it wasn't YankLand ,or Ruskies ,''or made in China .
Shame he was not the ruler that the bible talks about..
Infact he wasnt the same person..completly diffrent timeframe..
Egypt ar very mix pool
And Rameses the great was not the pharaoh of the Exodus.
Evidence?
BCE …. oh please. You’re yabbing on about a 500 year dynasty whilst besmirching one over 2000. You’re a historian who’s changing history.
Arse!
Which 2000 year dynasty are you talking of?
What 2000 year dynasty
Well since there has been no reply I'm going to assume you mean Christianity....which isn't a dynasty, it's a belief system. And one that hasn't actually been "in power" for 2000 years. If I am wrong in my assumption please do clarify.
Rameses II came later than then Exodus of the Hebrews.
Evidence?
The intertangled Joseph, Isaelite migration, and Hyksos invasion, and Exodus stories are as baffling as they are intriguing. Might be a good topic for another show.
Wonder if in similar fashion to the later and better documented Pelaset/Phillistine/Sea People resettlement in Palestine story, if the earlier Joseph story ties in with the Iraelites having similar client state status with tribute, service and/or military obligations to secure Egypt's northern border region. How Exodus and the Hyksos fit in.....?
Would it be fair to say that Rameses II was one of the most famous graffiti artists in history?
Because Ramses lived 3300 years ago and had probably more than 100 children we are all descendants of him (pretty much everyone in the world). So hi great, great …… grandpa. Looking great.
No only e-v12 people
Rameses and hatshepsut were black, my grandma told me.
Ra-messes, not Rama-seas. Tut-Ankh-Amun, not Tuttan-karman
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please learn the real history..High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males
In modern time, Ramses II would have been classified as black in America
No, he wouldn't. He was Mediterranean man with straight red hair 👨🏼🦰. I wouldn't call him 'white', but I bet he would likely pass as white on the street.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 he was black skinned. Representation show his dynasty as Black. I look like Ramses and i'm black. Got the same face. And i'm mediterranean too.
@@egyptwasblack2 There is no depiction of him (nor ANY member of his dynasty) with Black skin. He was depicted with reddish-brown skin 👨🏾 which is standard use of colour to Egyptian man. That doesn't mean he had such skin in reality. He was from Northern Egypt - he probably had light skin, which his mummy seems to confirm (as well his light hair)👨🏼🦰. Same things happened in Greece where men were depicted with dark skin and women with light. It was just artistic expression. His face features from images are idelized, they don't match his actual true face. ' I look like Ramses and i'm black.' - If you are Black, then you don't look like him, since he wasn't Black 👨🏼🦰=/=👨🏿🦱. Period. 😘
'And i'm mediterranean too.' - From which part of Mediterranean world and from what lineages? (And no - contrary to your nickname, Egypt was NOT Black.)
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Merneptah (son of Ramses II) is depicted as Darkskinned..almost as dark as Wesley snipes.. And its funny you talk about Greece, because a lot of ancient greek historians say that they were black communities in Greece. The Pelasgians were said to be black, and that they looked like the Egyptians/Lybians. And this again, matches with the mythological stories of the Danaids.. A group of people that fled to Greece from Egypt/Libya.
DNA seems to confirm it because HLA Studies on modern Greek people cluster with modern black african populations (The only eurasian group).
According to one of those studies, an admixture occured between Greeks and BLACKS 5,000 years ago.
It is also said, that Greeks specific genes, have been found in "subsaharan" Africa (West Africa , Central Africa, East Africa)
Not only that, but my parent carry the hemoglobin O-Arab also called Hb Egypt.
First studies about it, believed that this genetic mutation appeared during Predynastic Egypt and was associated with a black ancestry.
Latest studies, however, indicates and confirms that the mutation appeared in the Pomak community of Northern Greece and emerged 2,000 years ago. One of those studies also confirm that the Pomaks have specific black african genes and raised the idea of a black African ancestry
Furthemore, that HB o-arab mutated in inner Africa into HBo TIBESTI.
HBO Tibesti is a cross mutation between HBO arab (Greek) and HB Hamilton (Sardinian).
Werent the SEA people of Ancient Egyptians believed to be Sardinian?
And finally, a lot of men in the Balkan carry the EV13 haplogroup which is a subclade from the african EM78... EV13 first carriers had to be black!
All of this prove that the Egyptians were black!
@@egyptwasblack2 You clearly missed what I wrote about dark skin being symbolic colour of men... It is still reddish-brown skin that many non Black individuals in world can have. Anyway, let's assume Merenptah was Black. Merenptah wasn't his father. Ramesses could be light-skinned man and have his son by dark skinned partner.
' ancient greek historians say that they were Black communities in Greece. ' - No historians said such thing. You simply misquote them. Dark skinned doesn't mean Black African. Black Africans aren't the only dark people in the world. Period. Pelasgianss was indigenous people of Greece, that were conquered by Achai and Dores. They were indigenous Europeans. 'that they looked like the Egyptians/Lybians' - Neither Egyptians nor Libyans were Black.
'And this again, matches with the mythological stories of the Danaids.' - Please, read mythology. Danaus wasn't Egyptian. Looked at his family tree. Danaus was Greek was born in Egypt and later returned to Greece with his daughters. Claiming they were Africans is misunderstanidng the myth.
lol 1.5 minutes in to the show they are mentioning British empire
That title goes to Jesus 👑
😂😂😂😂😂
#natufians #african #blackhistory #Yahweh #law
Not black
Was he the greatest Pharaoh? Or was he just really good at self promotion and propaganda?
Is that not part of the same game?
🤔🙄how did his underwear look ?
Google 'king tutankhamun loin clothes from his tomb' and you will get answer. 😉
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 haha wow I never seen this before and he has like 140 of them the article says. thank you for the comment.
@@kevin02mulder You're welcome!
interesting Tutankhamun is more like a string and that one from Thutmose III heavy diaper pants :) 😋
No lol.
Let's touch on who the Pharaoh of the Exodus was. It wasn't Ramses (1279-1213 BC). The Bible establishes that Solomon completed the Temple in 957 BC. 1 Kings 6:1 says "In the four hundred and eightieth year after the Israelites went forth from the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv (the second month), he began to build the house of the Lord." The building of the Temple took about 7 years. So, adding 487 to 957 we get that the Israelites left Egypt in about 1444 BC. This gets us back to about the time of Thutmose III (1479-1425 BC). His successor was Amenhotep II. Thutmose's first son was Amenemhat who predeceased Thutmose. Remember the final plague on Egypt - the deaths of all the first born.
lol the The Bible. I'm sure its accurate 😄
@@kevin02mulder In this case, I believe it's close enough. Even allowing for some latitude there is no way that Ramses was the Pharaoh of the Exodus. I believe there's also some other things having to do with the finding of the infant Moses that point to Thutmose.
@@johnslaughter5475 I am not sure but maybe it was Nefertiti who captured the swamp people to be slaves for the farmers. after the army revolted Nefertiti and Akhenaten, the slaves escaped and had no where to go than leave Egypt
That fairy tale 😂😂😂