@@waltscrossfiresrt6 it's not supercharged. It has an electric motor to add power and what you may be trying to say is the turbos have a motor to start the spooling so there's no lag.
M256 (429hp/384tq) has an ISG, bolted to the crankshaft, producing 21hp/184tq. A twin scroll turbo and a small electric supercharger (AMG calls it a compressor in their literature). The ISG powers the AC and water pump so there are no belts on the front of motor. Car weights in at 4519 lb. The Sedan is very, very quick. It’s by no means the fastest in its class. I don’t believe MB was attempting to produce the fastest in its class. It’s a great blend of sport and comfort. It’s effortless to drive it fast. For its class and performance, it gets phenomenal MPG. The interior is class leading, IMHO.
It's unbelievable how fast the supra is, especially when you start modding it. I only have boltons on my 2022 (intake, charge pipe, catted downpipe, and full exhaust) while still running stock tune, and I can definitely feel it has woken this car up even more from stock. I will be taking it to the dyno again very soon to see just how much extra power the bolt on parts have given, and then go to the pure800 turbo once an unlock comes out for the 2022 ECU.
I agree. I also have a '21' and it’s an amazing car for the price. If people would just drive it for 5 minutes, (really just 1 minute) you would change your mind. In canyons it’s unflappable, Hooks up really well, incredible ZF trans.,is stupid fast, gets 32 mpg highway. I’m proud of the BMW drivetrain. It’s an epic engine.
@@wackit6756 It's because you're a smart man, and realized the incredible German engineering that the Supra has is top notch! Toyota wasn't able to build a perfect combo like the B58 paired with the ZF8 tranny! It's as good as a powertrain gets imo! So easy to make so much more power for incredibly cheap as well!👍
You’re very correct, whoever you are commenting. The car is just very lowley tuned for some reason. That car wit dat engine definitely could do much better. :) #YouLoveThePositivity ;)
Both are great cars, but I’m going to say, Mercedes is for luxury and comfort. BMW is more track focused, so you’re going to always get the performance you need.
@@germanengineering204 same here. The is500 is such an interesting car and I’d love to be in a position to own all three but for me I have to stick to my bmw ways. The b58 would take it all day. From a roll I think the Supra would be the only one to give the Lexus trouble.
@@OleMisss Don't forget these engines are greatly underrated! Honestly I think the Supra would destroy the Lexus in a roll, and the M240i would still be a bit quicker as well!
B58 FTW 💫 i have a stock 2016 340i RWD only 320hp feels like an absolute rocketship though in traffic rolling 25 mph drop to first smash the pedal shit pulls 🤯🙌
I'm just going to put this out there. These videos seem so concerned about who's getting to the finish line first on a closed course where you can go a 1/4 mile without issue. However, on the street, it's a very different story. The majority of run in's will come at the stoplight or a freeway onramp where I'd take this mercedes anyday of the week over most other cars for these situations. My gf once lined up next to me at a stoplight driving my w205 c300 and took off on my c5z and I was so far behind in 1st gear that after spinning and shifting and wheel hopping into 2nd I just gave up and took the loss.
I don't care how fast that supra, but as coupe, as luxury sports coupe, it just so good. I drove e53 coupe, for a week, and I fall in love with this car. Its comfy, and luxury car, when you need to go restaurant or some business party, and it gives you enough sporty feeling when you need to go flat out on the ordinary twisty roads, it is not a geeky track car for sure, but give you enough feedback, yes it is not BMW feel, but it is good for that long coupe. And the engine sounds fantastic.
Great stuff! Big fan of your channel! I really respect the Supra GR performance. My neighbor has one, and I have a Challenger Hellcat. I would love to see a race between the two, because I've been curious of the results.
It’s so interesting seeing everyone realizing BMW makes incredible tunes me turbo in-line 6 motors. My 2008 335i was an absolute beast and took it to everything at the drags besides a Mclaren and GTR. Took BMW years to get this engine the respect it deserves and it had to go into a “Supra” or BMW Z. I know the motors have changed a little, but my N54 twin turbo with FBO and JB4 on e85 was walking cars years ago.
very odd matchup but impressive non the less. Merc weight around 4429 lbs and the supra weights about 3318. I would definitely expect the supra to win everytime based off the power to weight alone.
@@SamCarLegion I’m so glad you got the is500!! My boss just got one two weeks ago. It’s an amazing car and will retain its value just like the ISF did. Great pick buddy.
Mercedes always over estimates the power of their amg's , I bet they dyno almost identical Supra make around 350 - 370 whp stock , the amg 53 dyno about the same maybe a little less.
@@SamCarLegion I've always hear you give the Supra nothing but praise 🙌 I remember how blown away you were by its performance when it went up against the M240i xdrive!👍
I'm kind of surprised the E53 didn't win from a roll, my stock B9 S4 (just an intake) pulls on new supras pretty hard, especially from a roll, it's not even close.
Do the race again but this time with the 840i and this E53(I know that sounds unfair). M850i would destroy this E53. I want to see how would the non M performance model fares with the E53 AMG.
Sadly soon all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. (BABVVO law)!!!!!!!
@@SamCarLegion haha i know, just wanted to point that out 😉, you got to remember though, the c43 is less powered than the e53 although it is lighter. I've raced my m240 against a c43 both ST2 and was pulling lengths on him, though thats another story as they're tuned.
The B58 is in every regard better than the Merc Inline 6. Also, it’s worth mentioning that the B58 in the Supra is making way more than 382 hp, it’s making that at the wheels.
@@limitedreach4446 I doubt it, raced tons of supras in my B9 S4, walked every single one, from a roll it's not even close, all I have is an intake on my S4 too, not even tuned. no way is a supra making 382 wheel, not even close.
@@awhs5435 Old b58, or revised b58 supras? I think the older ones only have 370-380hp at the crank. The newer ones should have that much power at the wheels. Such a huge jump for a revised motor for the same car.
@@2010ngojo you dont just go from 370 crank to 370 wheel hp with a few mods man lmao, thats over a 200+ HP gain on the crank, thats an entirely new engine....its weird how people think you just need to do a few tweaks and boom, you just gained 200hp crank, thats not how it works
Dont see the point of a supercharged and turbo changed 6 cylinder engine Mercedes gets 400 plus hp out of a 4 cylinder turbo ... either drop the turbo or drop the SC or put another 100hp to justify this train reck of a motor
Ah a classic rivalry indeed, BMW and Mercedes
lmao
Shots fired
You right, honestly it ain’t even a joke anymore
Best bmw sports car ever !!! :) thanks BMW
And this is the reason you'll NEVER EVER see a BMW engine in a Supra again!
The E53 AMG is turbocharged with a hybrid system, not supercharged and turbocharged.
Correction it's turbocharged and does indeed have a electric supercharger
I can't believe he missed that.
@@waltscrossfiresrt6 it's not supercharged. It has an electric motor to add power and what you may be trying to say is the turbos have a motor to start the spooling so there's no lag.
😭😭😭facts
M256 (429hp/384tq) has an ISG, bolted to the crankshaft, producing 21hp/184tq. A twin scroll turbo and a small electric supercharger (AMG calls it a compressor in their literature). The ISG powers the AC and water pump so there are no belts on the front of motor. Car weights in at 4519 lb. The Sedan is very, very quick. It’s by no means the fastest in its class. I don’t believe MB was attempting to produce the fastest in its class. It’s a great blend of sport and comfort. It’s effortless to drive it fast. For its class and performance, it gets phenomenal MPG. The interior is class leading, IMHO.
🏁🏁Great races Sam …keep bring us this quality straight to the point content 🤙🏾
Say what you want about the Supra, but she's fast
With bmw engine 😂
Right it’s a bmw.
What I want? She is slow 😅
The B58 platform isn’t a joke. I love it in my m240i. It’s also way more reliable than my f80 m3.
the benz looks really nice tho
It's unbelievable how fast the supra is, especially when you start modding it. I only have boltons on my 2022 (intake, charge pipe, catted downpipe, and full exhaust) while still running stock tune, and I can definitely feel it has woken this car up even more from stock. I will be taking it to the dyno again very soon to see just how much extra power the bolt on parts have given, and then go to the pure800 turbo once an unlock comes out for the 2022 ECU.
how’s the build going?
What’s the residual value of a 2022 supra?
@@WD.909 dealership offered $56k for mine after 14k miles
@@Jaime7188 That’s crazy, but I guess it would depend on how much equity you have
@loan writer he must not have been trying
I own a 21 Supra, these cars launch amazing for being rear wheel drive!
I agree. I also have a '21' and it’s an amazing car for the price. If people would just drive it for 5 minutes, (really just 1 minute) you would change your mind. In canyons it’s unflappable, Hooks up really well, incredible ZF trans.,is stupid fast, gets 32 mpg highway. I’m proud of the BMW drivetrain. It’s an epic engine.
@@wackit6756 Exactly 🤙
@@wackit6756 It's because you're a smart man, and realized the incredible German engineering that the Supra has is top notch! Toyota wasn't able to build a perfect combo like the B58 paired with the ZF8 tranny! It's as good as a powertrain gets imo! So easy to make so much more power for incredibly cheap as well!👍
@@wackit6756 By the way I have a new 21 M240i xdrive, and it's such a joy to drive with that ridiculous powertrain!🙂
@@germanengineering204 Spot on 👍🙌
It’s all about weight, the supra is lighter and it has the b58 which is probably the best 6 cylinder engine in the world right now.
That goes to the GTR lmfao what are you on
@@MarlonAllen-dy9yvnsx with the 3.2 n/a v6 ftw 🔥🙌🏾
I knew something was off on that first run. LOL! I've driven the M340i a few times and that's ringer in the segment. That B58 motor is ridiculous!!
You’re very correct, whoever you are commenting. The car is just very lowley tuned for some reason. That car wit dat engine definitely could do much better. :) #YouLoveThePositivity ;)
800 to 1000 lbs weigth difference. lol.
I was wondering would it be possible to do 1 mile sprint drag race?
Can’t wait to see!
Both are great cars, but I’m going to say, Mercedes is for luxury and comfort. BMW is more track focused, so you’re going to always get the performance you need.
tell me a track record from bmw production car
@@JLNMI yeah that’s right No track record for Bmw fansboys
@@mustaphagai5031 yes , i feel bad for thosse kids causse they think bmw its track focused , bmw its crash focused hahhhaha
@@JLNMI they actually made the m4 csl and m3 touring
@@Quez5k did it win any record yet 1, 2 or 3rd place ?
Lovely race! Would love to see this Supra go against the new m240i against your beautiful V8.
I have a feeling the new m240i or the Supra will take the is500 to at least 90mph. From a roll I think it’ll be a lot closer though.
@@OleMisss I like the Lexus, but it can't compete with either of these cars you mentioned! Still be interesting to see no doubt about it!
@@germanengineering204 same here. The is500 is such an interesting car and I’d love to be in a position to own all three but for me I have to stick to my bmw ways. The b58 would take it all day. From a roll I think the Supra would be the only one to give the Lexus trouble.
@@OleMisss Don't forget these engines are greatly underrated! Honestly I think the Supra would destroy the Lexus in a roll, and the M240i would still be a bit quicker as well!
@@OleMisss is500 Is slower than paint drying
nice runs!
stock supra right?
This was a good one! I was rootin for the Supra. Cool!😎
B58 FTW 💫 i have a stock 2016 340i RWD only 320hp feels like an absolute rocketship though in traffic rolling 25 mph drop to first smash the pedal shit pulls 🤯🙌
Supra hard to beat!
what about the 3JZ? is it still slated for 2022?
I'm just going to put this out there. These videos seem so concerned about who's getting to the finish line first on a closed course where you can go a 1/4 mile without issue. However, on the street, it's a very different story. The majority of run in's will come at the stoplight or a freeway onramp where I'd take this mercedes anyday of the week over most other cars for these situations. My gf once lined up next to me at a stoplight driving my w205 c300 and took off on my c5z and I was so far behind in 1st gear that after spinning and shifting and wheel hopping into 2nd I just gave up and took the loss.
I don't care how fast that supra, but as coupe, as luxury sports coupe, it just so good. I drove e53 coupe, for a week, and I fall in love with this car. Its comfy, and luxury car, when you need to go restaurant or some business party, and it gives you enough sporty feeling when you need to go flat out on the ordinary twisty roads, it is not a geeky track car for sure, but give you enough feedback, yes it is not BMW feel, but it is good for that long coupe. And the engine sounds fantastic.
I would like to see a vid on a Kia stinger gt or a g70 vs e53 amg??
Please help promote this man! He makes some of the best racing videos on UA-cam and the number of views these are getting is an injustice
Need c63s amg to go against the Supra. I raced them both in tune stinger. I know both of them going to be great match will be super close.
Great stuff! Big fan of your channel! I really respect the Supra GR performance. My neighbor has one, and I have a Challenger Hellcat. I would love to see a race between the two, because I've been curious of the results.
Your neighbor is extremely lucky.
Go knock on his door and ask him to run one day! 🤷🏽♂️
Raced my friends hellcat charger had him till like 125ish on a roll but gapped him from a dig😂
Figured as much…..thanks!
You should try the bmw m440 x drive vs that benz
It’s so interesting seeing everyone realizing BMW makes incredible tunes me turbo in-line 6 motors. My 2008 335i was an absolute beast and took it to everything at the drags besides a Mclaren and GTR. Took BMW years to get this engine the respect it deserves and it had to go into a “Supra” or BMW Z. I know the motors have changed a little, but my N54 twin turbo with FBO and JB4 on e85 was walking cars years ago.
The b58 motor is in every version of bmw’s cars aside the fwd based 2 series sedan, it’s not just in supras and z4’s.
BMW underrates the engine and also the weight of the car.
Weird comparison but appreciate the content.
Love the Supra, seems to me tho in Canada anyway it’s about 10k over priced. 68k is to much as incredible as it is.
Is the Supra stock?
Hey Sam, get an E55 AMG on the channel. I would love to see a race with it.
The supra would win the E55 is not faster than the new E53 especially off the line what are you smoking
@@marsallen4298 I just said I wanted to see an E55 on a video. Learn to read.
Love it
382 BMW horsepower = 430-440 in reality. The older revision of the B58 rated at "335" horsepower was in the 380-390 range.
Every german car underrates their engines my guy not just BMW.
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The merc is bubbly looking imo. Would take the supra, but in manual.
Coming from a m340i owner if you looking to have a lighter amg try the c43 but then again with its 400 hrs power it lost to my m340i.
Wait, so the Supra hooked with some heat in the tires? Funny how that works…
The e53 is my next car such a sexy vehicle 🎉🎉❤
❤️
C43 coupe probably run better than that heavy E53, it's too big and heavy.
It would but b58 will pull
Your Lexus V8 vs Q50 Red Sport
very odd matchup but impressive non the less. Merc weight around 4429 lbs and the supra weights about 3318. I would definitely expect the supra to win everytime based off the power to weight alone.
I need to see NSX vs supra
I want to see a m340i run ur is500
Can you race Supra against your new CAR. You buying a new car makes me feel I also own it since I’ll see so much of it 😅😅😅😎
Definitely
@@SamCarLegion right on Sam! You are the best!
Yeah! With his new car this channel is about to get even more interesting than it already was.
@@SamCarLegion I’m so glad you got the is500!! My boss just got one two weeks ago. It’s an amazing car and will retain its value just like the ISF did. Great pick buddy.
@@OleMisss thank you
Toyota vs mercedes. These dual motors keep getting more impressive
You mean BMW? The engine is from BMW not toyota
They need to put the I6 in the A45 and C43
not so much power to weight ratio but the supra is under-rated from the factory, new stock supras have dynoed 380whp before ....
Mercedes always over estimates the power of their amg's , I bet they dyno almost identical Supra make around 350 - 370 whp stock , the amg 53 dyno about the same maybe a little less.
Not really a Mercedes fan anymore, but it was hard to be one when they always lost to BMWs and Porsches
Mercedes is luxury , powerful, comfort.... BMW is in another league like audi
BMW sadbags their power output same with McLaren.
@@kennedy9072
Practically all German car makers do, for whetever reason.
@@2010ngojo not all though
Mercedes is breaking track records & making excellent engines, when it comes to being the best or nothing they’re living up to their name still
I’d still take the Supra home over the Benz. Such a sharp car and what a history behind it.
Considering that and that it won lol
I posted this after the first run lol
Why do you keep saying the E53 has a supercharger? It doesn’t even have one. It’s the new 3.0 in-line 6 cylinder Single Turbo with EQ power boost
** Electric supercharger **
I wish Mercedes’ would put the straight 6 in more cars cmon !
BMW sandbags their power output so no surprise 😜
Imagine what that Supra can do (10second quarter mile) when investing $5k worth of mods. 👍
5k 10sec no hope....
🥱
TTRS vs Supra
Eurasian tech…it was bound to happen….Japanese/German…joint venture…..
Anything Supra vs im clicking
I want to like the Supra
supra = freak bnw
Yes, BMW´s inline 6 Turbo engines are the strongest in the World, they are not very reliable but this is a other thing.
4400 lb lmao. Somehow it’s heavier than electric cars.
I'll take the supra over the benz, said no one ever.
Sam as much as you hate the new Supra just admit it’s one hell of a car ! Even if it’s made by bmw …..
Where did i say I hate the new supra?
Good race!
@@SamCarLegion I've always hear you give the Supra nothing but praise 🙌 I remember how blown away you were by its performance when it went up against the M240i xdrive!👍
i smell cap. there has to be some bias here. no way the supra launches as well as e53
Yea🙄. Even with the Supra being tuned, there's no way it just takes off from a dig that fast over the Merc considering the 1st run
Q60rs vs amg E53
U should tell 1/4 time too.
I'm kind of surprised the E53 didn't win from a roll, my stock B9 S4 (just an intake) pulls on new supras pretty hard, especially from a roll, it's not even close.
Thats beyond cap but keep lying for youtube lmfao. B58 smokes S4 in every segment and im a GT53 owner and i can admit that
In all the videos I see errors of the drivers they should agree on how to start or someone professional
And the supra took my m340i.
The German people are laughing at the Japanese, “Man, your engine is shitty”
2jz is good tho...
So funny BMW is always head of Mercedes and Audi. Then all the Mercedes and Audi fan boys always get highly offended 😂
///M Power!
Mercedes is luxury, comfort, and powerful too...
@@Robert-de5xg bmw is all above and still way faster 😂
@@Chriskary1 What are you talking about? Go post a video of your car before you start talking bird 🐦
@@joeyamg4560 awww you’re highly offended 😂
Bmw supra did great
It doesn’t matter toyota or BMW. If there is a BMW engine merc will loose 😂
A classic rivalry is Audi
I choose supra, amg? 🥴
4400 pounds, jesus Christ
Do the race again but this time with the 840i and this E53(I know that sounds unfair). M850i would destroy this E53. I want to see how would the non M performance model fares with the E53 AMG.
I need an 850i to begin with lol
At the end of the day, its still a toyota and looks crappy from inside and out. E53 all day !!!
Race your lexus
Sadly soon all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-(
In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. (BABVVO law)!!!!!!!
If it was a C53? Whats that? 🤣
C43*
@@SamCarLegion haha i know, just wanted to point that out 😉, you got to remember though, the c43 is less powered than the e53 although it is lighter.
I've raced my m240 against a c43 both ST2 and was pulling lengths on him, though thats another story as they're tuned.
Supra wasn't even in launch control
800 to 1000 lbs difference! yes. if they were the same weight, the supra would easily be left behind.
I don’t care how much lighter the Supra is. with all of that engineering and 4Matic+ the Mercedes should’ve been quicker 😂
The B58 is in every regard better than the Merc Inline 6. Also, it’s worth mentioning that the B58 in the Supra is making way more than 382 hp, it’s making that at the wheels.
@@limitedreach4446 I actually agree
@@limitedreach4446 I doubt it, raced tons of supras in my B9 S4, walked every single one, from a roll it's not even close, all I have is an intake on my S4 too, not even tuned.
no way is a supra making 382 wheel, not even close.
@@awhs5435
Old b58, or revised b58 supras? I think the older ones only have 370-380hp at the crank. The newer ones should have that much power at the wheels. Such a huge jump for a revised motor for the same car.
@@2010ngojo you dont just go from 370 crank to 370 wheel hp with a few mods man lmao, thats over a 200+ HP gain on the crank, thats an entirely new engine....its weird how people think you just need to do a few tweaks and boom, you just gained 200hp crank, thats not how it works
It’s a BMW mermermermer🥴🥴🥴
Dont see the point of a supercharged and turbo changed 6 cylinder engine
Mercedes gets 400 plus hp out of a 4 cylinder turbo ... either drop the turbo or drop the SC or put another 100hp to justify this train reck of a motor
Real AMGs have V8s.
Facts
Supra = bmw
Means
Bmw vs mercedes
👏🖕🤣
Supra is an abomination aesthetically - looks like a piece of bulbous cauliflower. No thanks.