I totally misread the title as "First Cold War"... I'm thinking to myself, 'there's only been one Cold War'.... and then I realize is about fish, so let's start this fishing expedition 😀...
Thank you so much for taking the time to research and record this. There is not a lot on the history of Iceland on UA-cam, at least in English and probably less in other languages, and even less as professional as this video. I hope you can find the time to cover the second and third "war". Those are perhaps more engaging stories - with weapons fired, ships rammed, an Icelandic secret weapon and a fatality. Thank you so much.
representing the Cold War Conversations podcast in the background I see. Great to see some of my favourite Cold War history content creators supporting one another!
I remember certain negotiations which took place at the end of 2020 where the UK government was at first willing to stake everything on fishing rights, only to back down at the last minute and sacrifice those rights.
There is an joke that you should never serve fish to Icelander here in Finland as they would start claiming our lakes for them. Another one I have heard is that British and Icelanders going to same fish restaraunt is a prelude to a fist fight that has to be solved in congress.
@@alpsluis I fear the behaviour of the ambassador is sadly typical, his role to facilitate better relations yet the reply to the crowd boorish arrogance.
A Prager U video about the causes of current depression in young people came on as an ad while I was watching this. I was only able to watch two of the five and a half minutes of Denis Prager saying that the solution is to join social clubs, put down the phone, and be more patriotic.
11:34 Not just that, British fishing industry was not even 1% of their GDP. For Iceland it's 15% of the GDP and 75% of their exports (not to mention a giant chunk of their national food supply because it's Iceland! Agriculture is very hard.). Without fishing Iceland would be impoverished down to the level of "failed state".
Nice video - Something smells fishy and Iceland holds all the cards. The GIUK was instrumental to monitor Soviet movements and when you dig deeper into monitoring Soviet ships - fishing vessels or Spy trawlers were employed by NATO and did fishing, paid for by MI6 in the UK. The Clap or Viking Clap is loud and you will remember hearing it. Cheers
The Icelanders learned a valuable lesson then for the next cod war. They bought larger naval vessels, i remember them ramming Royal Naval ships in the 1970s.
USA: Seriously you guys are fighting over fish? Grow up guys... Iceland: We're leaving NATO if you don't fix this right now USA: Now hold on there son...
UK: This is the HMS Invincible, you are to change course 5 degrees west to avoid collision. Iceland: We advise you to change your course 5 degrees west to avoid collision with us. UK: This is the HMS Invincible, we are an aircraft carrier carrying a squadron of harriers and a dozen helicopters that will attack you to protect this vessel. You are directed to change course 10 degrees to the west. Iceland: This is a lighthouse, your call mate.
A food fight at sea and in the halls of international law and diplomacy. Imagine the royal navy sailors from that time telling stories to their grand kids. Showing them their medals and and kid asking. What did you do to get that medal grandpa? The answer being "I fought against the people of Iceland over some fish".
The header photo was taken by me in the 3rd cod war in 1976, from the flight deck of HMS Bacchante, another Leander class frigate, on which I was the Seacat maintainer
Let me just thank you for talking about everything related to the cold war, not just what its fanboys usually fanboy about. This give me hope Canada, Benelux, San Marino communist turnover and many others will be talked about on this channel, which is awesome!
Do you intend to make an episode about NATO's Command Post Exercises, specially Able Archer '83? It's said that this exercise prompted the soviet nuclear forces in high alert!
Maybe you can do more about the UNCLOS, Indonesia suppporting the idea of Archipelago country to gain control of it's massive sea and make it's sea imapassable to Dutch in West Papua
How about a video on the huge Soviet fishing fleets off both coasts of the US back in the Cold War. I remember sailing through the Atlantic fleet as a kid in the 1960's. Then again as an adult in the Pacific during the 1970's. Those fishing boats had big antenna arrays that were far more than needed for just fishing.
Can you do the many indo-pakistani wars because in an older video you said you were going to cover the geopolitics of this region. It relates strongly to the cold war because it is about India(backed by USSR) and Pakistan(backed by US and UK)
Or this could have been about the USS Cod... She did see service during the Cold War 😎. On a side note if you want to see a real good World War II United States Submarine Museum, the USS Cod is a museum in Cleveland Ohio. She's the only American World War II Submarine Museum with her original hatches still intact, you have to enter through the hatches not down a stairway cut into the hull.
I did a tour of the USS Torsk in Baltimore many (many) years ago...I knew right then and there that, although i'm not claustrophobic, I couldn't have served in that.
@@TheColdWarTV same here. Just turning the Cod my sinuses felt like I couldn't breathe, and there was only a handful of other visitors on board. But it is a nice ship to see.
And then a lot of British politicans and pundits blamed the collapse off the British fishing industry on the EU. Its almost like it was a more complex situation than "the EU is being mean towards us".
anglo-dutch, anglo-danish which is this agreement on the limit of icelands territorial waters? must be one or the other, since there is a difference between the dutch and danish
it is the Anglo-Danish agreement; that is a mistake in my presentation! My apologies for that error and we are adding a presentation note to amend the error.
1:08 -- "One of the ugliest fish in the sea, the humble cod." -- Ugly and humble indeed, however, I've just can't believe how cod has become so expensive in recent decades.
it is nice to hear about a fish war won by a weak power - but how about the fish wars lost? Like Canada who let its waters be overfished by other countries; or Somalia where other countries overwhelmed the off shore fishing while that country was in turmoil, which led to the rise of Somalia pirating?
If I was Iceland, I would have gone a step further and suggested that after we left NATO, that we would inquire about joining the Warsaw Pact so that we may enjoy Soviet naval support in pressing our claims. The move also reminds me of the one small West Virginia town where a flood destroyed the only bridge with access to the town and the state and federal governments wouldn't help them so they actively asked the Soviet Union for help. Suddenly the state government was very interested in building them a new bridge.
I think it comes down to range vs effective range. Throughout most of their history, cannons weren't used at anywhere near their theoretical maximum range, because they literally couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at those ranges. So it's entirely possible that a big shore defense gun had a theoretical range of three nautical miles, at which distance it could effectively target *the sea* and that's about it.
we invaded Iceland. we never got permission off anyone to send troops to the island. all three cod wars where also all the UK government fault. it cost a lot of money and was very silly.
"Ugliest fish in the sea'? I dunno. There are fish far uglier that this beautiful example of gadus morhua. images.app.goo.gl/EQY3vMEByygo1e1bA And no more that three are tastier. The rich socio-economic hostory around Atlantic Cod is a facinating subject (to me). Its way more that just a fish. Great episode though,.
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At 4:22 there is an error in the narration. It is the 1901 Anglo-Danish Territorial Water Agreement. We apologise for the error.
I do that too, but then I saw how you referred to the same agreement later on, correctly, as the Anglo Danish one.
The trouble with the Cod War is that it doesn't take too long before it becomes dinner.
Very good!
That joke is perfect. Absolutely perfect.
“You fought in the Cod War?” -Luke Skywalker to Ben Kenobi
My father didn't fight in the Cod Wars. He was a navigator on a loach freighter.
Ah yes. Can't wait for COD: Cold War: Cod wars DLC
I totally misread the title as "First Cold War"... I'm thinking to myself, 'there's only been one Cold War'.... and then I realize is about fish, so let's start this fishing expedition 😀...
Unless we're starting a second one, some leaders seem keen to
@@Julianna.Domina The 4th Cod Wars already?
Unless you count the great game (British empire Vs Russia trying to controll the middle east without a war with eachother
Little known, even to Canadians I think, was just how close we came to a shooting war with Spain over the "Last Lonely Turbot" circa 1995.
I hate when I search youtube for the cold war it shows the game, no YT I'm searching for the other one.
The first CoD War? Yeah, I remember 2003, good game, LAN-parties...
Lol still in the description
Before the dark times... before the loot boxes and paid DLCs...
MW1-3 were the best of times.
(And yes Ik you're talking about the original COD)
This would make a great Sabaton song.
Ssabaton sucks
They are fishing elite, born to compete! COD DIVISION!
Sabaton is generic power metal garbage. It sucks. Idk who listens to that band except for cringy school kids and incels.
Thank you so much for taking the time to research and record this. There is not a lot on the history of Iceland on UA-cam, at least in English and probably less in other languages, and even less as professional as this video.
I hope you can find the time to cover the second and third "war". Those are perhaps more engaging stories - with weapons fired, ships rammed, an Icelandic secret weapon and a fatality.
Thank you so much.
representing the Cold War Conversations podcast in the background I see. Great to see some of my favourite Cold War history content creators supporting one another!
We are big fans of the work that everybody at Cold War Conversations are doing and highly recommend everybody to go check them out!
THANK YOU!!!! i had never heard of the CW conversations channel. this is fantastic.
When the chips were down, so were the fish stocks.
I remember certain negotiations which took place at the end of 2020 where the UK government was at first willing to stake everything on fishing rights, only to back down at the last minute and sacrifice those rights.
There is an joke that you should never serve fish to Icelander here in Finland as they would start claiming our lakes for them.
Another one I have heard is that British and Icelanders going to same fish restaraunt is a prelude to a fist fight that has to be solved in congress.
You exceeded your bad pun limit on this episode.
This is the peak for the channel
i hope we continue to improve, personally.
@@TheColdWarTV A great first step would be removing that l in the channel name!
Britain in one of many episodes showing just how well it is adjusting to no longer being an empire.
Shows again how the UK can rely on their so called allies.
Allies? The only allies that the English want is the ones they can rule
@@alpsluis I fear the behaviour of the ambassador is sadly typical, his role to facilitate better relations yet the reply to the crowd boorish arrogance.
Is this a sarcastic comment?
No.
You seem to really be fishing for these jokes...
we are also trawling for compliments.
@@TheColdWarTV good pun
😄
This is why I love history, you cod not make this up!
A Prager U video about the causes of current depression in young people came on as an ad while I was watching this. I was only able to watch two of the five and a half minutes of Denis Prager saying that the solution is to join social clubs, put down the phone, and be more patriotic.
AdBlocker is your friend.
UK: we want your fish
Iceland: US, make them stop
US: OMG
"The first cod war didn't end with any casualties..." Unless you count the fish :P
I do 😭
Actually less fish was supposedly fished so fish lives were saved :-)
Codlateral damage.
@@johnl.7754 Happy fish ...
This channel is perhaps one of the best I’ve ever seen. As a young historian like me, this is channel is gold. Keep up with the good work🇺🇸
Thank you! Glad you are enjoying what we are doing!
Thanks so much for making a video about this. I've always wanted to know about this war
In face of UK's sanctions, Iceland leaders received a telegram from Portugal. It had just one line:
"I'LL BUY YOUR ENTIRE STOCK, CARALHO!"
The Canadian-Spanish Turbot war raises the stakes
The Cold War uses the same stock footage that I use. Most likely since old icelandic stock footage is in short supply.
I like the way that this suggest there is a.... second Cod War.
So is there going to be an episode on each Cod War? Because that would be amazing
11:34
Not just that, British fishing industry was not even 1% of their GDP. For Iceland it's 15% of the GDP and 75% of their exports (not to mention a giant chunk of their national food supply because it's Iceland! Agriculture is very hard.). Without fishing Iceland would be impoverished down to the level of "failed state".
Nice video - Something smells fishy and Iceland holds all the cards. The GIUK was instrumental to monitor Soviet movements and when you dig deeper into monitoring Soviet ships - fishing vessels or Spy trawlers were employed by NATO and did fishing, paid for by MI6 in the UK. The Clap or Viking Clap is loud and you will remember hearing it. Cheers
''I'm gonna catch some fish here.''
''You're gonna catch some fist here!!''
Great episode.
The Icelanders learned a valuable lesson then for the next cod war. They bought larger naval vessels, i remember them ramming Royal Naval ships in the 1970s.
This time, the Royal Navy didn't get battered.
*11:43* Every time I wonder if you finally concede to say "press" but you are continuing to surprise me :-)
Regards from *Turkey*
I saw there was a documentary about this on Amazon Prime. This was a way better treatment of the material, thanks!
The cod must flow
USA: Seriously you guys are fighting over fish? Grow up guys...
Iceland: We're leaving NATO if you don't fix this right now
USA: Now hold on there son...
We will take the atlantic next.
The cod must flow
Wow!!! Will David talk about the Anglo-Iranian Crisis 1952? Or West Germany, Netherlands and Denmark North Sea Continental Shelf territorial dispute?
Cod wars by History Matters gave me an overview. Now it's time to get more details
Since you guys are from Toronto, I was wondering if we could anticipate any Canada specific videos any time soon?
Most satisfying episode!
Why ?
This episode's pun run certainly has some serious Andy Zaltzman vibes. 😁
UK: This is the HMS Invincible, you are to change course 5 degrees west to avoid collision.
Iceland: We advise you to change your course 5 degrees west to avoid collision with us.
UK: This is the HMS Invincible, we are an aircraft carrier carrying a squadron of harriers and a dozen helicopters that will attack you to protect this vessel. You are directed to change course 10 degrees to the west.
Iceland: This is a lighthouse, your call mate.
Never happened
Interesting video. It would be great to see a video(s) about the subsequent Cod Wars.
A food fight at sea and in the halls of international law and diplomacy.
Imagine the royal navy sailors from that time telling stories to their grand kids. Showing them their medals and and kid asking. What did you do to get that medal grandpa?
The answer being "I fought against the people of Iceland over some fish".
The Cod War
The Cod War II: 2 Cod 2 Furious
The Cod War III: Return of the Cod
The header photo was taken by me in the 3rd cod war in 1976, from the flight deck of HMS Bacchante, another Leander class frigate, on which I was the Seacat maintainer
UK: Give me back my cod!
Iceland: MAKE ME!
UK: HMMM...!
Still one of the best Goodies episodes
Let me just thank you for talking about everything related to the cold war, not just what its fanboys usually fanboy about. This give me hope Canada, Benelux, San Marino communist turnover and many others will be talked about on this channel, which is awesome!
Do you intend to make an episode about NATO's Command Post Exercises, specially Able Archer '83? It's said that this exercise prompted the soviet nuclear forces in high alert!
Looking forward to the call of duty games adopting this. COD: Cod warzone
bit of fishy premise, don't you think?
And it gets even better / sillier in the 2nd and 3rd Cod Wars...
Who is going to win: A country with global presence and nuclear weapons or this smol island? 😂
3 cod wars and a euro cup match doo da doo da
Maybe you can do more about the UNCLOS, Indonesia suppporting the idea of Archipelago country to gain control of it's massive sea and make it's sea imapassable to Dutch in West Papua
'Eel meet again, don't know where, don't know when.'
How about a video on the huge Soviet fishing fleets off both coasts of the US back in the Cold War. I remember sailing through the Atlantic fleet as a kid in the 1960's. Then again as an adult in the Pacific during the 1970's. Those fishing boats had big antenna arrays that were far more than needed for just fishing.
Yeah, not sure those fleets were at all interested in fish so much as just catching Walter Cronkite every evening ;)
Sounds familiar to the Chinese fishing trawler fleet today.
Can you do the many indo-pakistani wars because in an older video you said you were going to cover the geopolitics of this region. It relates strongly to the cold war because it is about India(backed by USSR) and Pakistan(backed by US and UK)
Oh how things change. Now Russia and US back India, while China and co. back Pakistan
Royal Navy's all gangsta till the water starts speaking Icelandic...
Iceland: *is tiny dot on map*
Also iceland: MOOOAAAARRRR AHAHHAHAHA
One of the best museums I have ever been to was the Cod War Museum in Reykjavik.
not to be a stickler LOL, but footage around 3:13 mark is of a purse seiner in BC, Canada setting its net for salmon. 4:26 is also from BC fishery.
Ah, yes i remember my first COD.....wait wrong COD.
The 4th COD war was epic, it had nukes.
One of the few naval battles lost by the Royal Navy.
This was a prophecy of what would happen in 2016...
@Kevin Dlst euro 2016?
To your piscine puns, I say "Very finny".
I came here looking for Nemo and stayed for the documentary.
Call of Duty: Cod War
COD:Cod
The only thing better than a little cod war is a larger cod peace. :)
Make a video about the Portuguese Colonial War please!! That's cold war material.
when we get there in the chronology, we certainly will
Interesting fish tale 😝
Or this could have been about the USS Cod... She did see service during the Cold War 😎.
On a side note if you want to see a real good World War II United States Submarine Museum, the USS Cod is a museum in Cleveland Ohio. She's the only American World War II Submarine Museum with her original hatches still intact, you have to enter through the hatches not down a stairway cut into the hull.
I did a tour of the USS Torsk in Baltimore many (many) years ago...I knew right then and there that, although i'm not claustrophobic, I couldn't have served in that.
@@TheColdWarTV same here. Just turning the Cod my sinuses felt like I couldn't breathe, and there was only a handful of other visitors on board. But it is a nice ship to see.
And then a lot of British politicans and pundits blamed the collapse off the British fishing industry on the EU. Its almost like it was a more complex situation than "the EU is being mean towards us".
Hard to imagine these two countries went to war over a fish. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Who needs 'enemies' when you got 'friends' !!!!!
Good high tier pun.... I like it 😊
So... The Brits in the North Atlantic in the 50s is just the Chinese in the South China sea today
I had to look up the clap reference and then I kicked myself for forgetting about it!
anglo-dutch, anglo-danish which is this agreement on the limit of icelands territorial waters?
must be one or the other, since there is a difference between the dutch and danish
it is the Anglo-Danish agreement; that is a mistake in my presentation! My apologies for that error and we are adding a presentation note to amend the error.
"This is the cod war"
Okay you win youtube
1:08 -- "One of the ugliest fish in the sea, the humble cod." -- Ugly and humble indeed, however, I've just can't believe how cod has become so expensive in recent decades.
Peace? There's too much at hake!
it is nice to hear about a fish war won by a weak power - but how about the fish wars lost?
Like Canada who let its waters be overfished by other countries; or Somalia where other countries overwhelmed the off shore fishing while that country was in turmoil, which led to the rise of Somalia pirating?
If I was Iceland, I would have gone a step further and suggested that after we left NATO, that we would inquire about joining the Warsaw Pact so that we may enjoy Soviet naval support in pressing our claims.
The move also reminds me of the one small West Virginia town where a flood destroyed the only bridge with access to the town and the state and federal governments wouldn't help them so they actively asked the Soviet Union for help. Suddenly the state government was very interested in building them a new bridge.
Awesome video. Bad puns.
3:30 I strongly doubt that 18th century artillery, naval or otherwise, had a range of 3 nautical miles.
I think it comes down to range vs effective range. Throughout most of their history, cannons weren't used at anywhere near their theoretical maximum range, because they literally couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at those ranges. So it's entirely possible that a big shore defense gun had a theoretical range of three nautical miles, at which distance it could effectively target *the sea* and that's about it.
China: Please take note!
Every conflict GB is involved with since WW II has to do with FISH.
Would this make David the Cod Father?
google "Carlos Rafael Codfather"...that's not me, i'm afraid
THUNDER CLAP!
Iceland played smart, not hard...
we invaded Iceland. we never got permission off anyone to send troops to the island. all three cod wars where also all the UK government fault. it cost a lot of money and was very silly.
You know what they say: Location, location, location.
yall brits really love that fish n chips huh ???
"Ugliest fish in the sea'? I dunno. There are fish far uglier that this beautiful example of gadus morhua.
images.app.goo.gl/EQY3vMEByygo1e1bA
And no more that three are tastier.
The rich socio-economic hostory around Atlantic Cod is a facinating subject (to me).
Its way more that just a fish.
Great episode though,.
They not see old hag fish yet did they ?
Meanwhile in HOI4
United Kingdom declared war on Iceland
Iceland join the Axis
Why is nobody talking about cod cold war