The Myth of Communist Unity during the Cold War

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
  • Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video in which we are trying to debunk a myth that the communist countries acted as a single front. We will try to show the differences between Yugoslavia, USSR, and China, both ideologically and economically.
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  • @nemeczek67
    @nemeczek67 3 роки тому +305

    When I was a kid in commie Poland I was baffled when I read in a newspaper about military hostilities between China and Vietnam. I could not understand how two socialist countries could fight each other.

    • @firaxolegirein9816
      @firaxolegirein9816 3 роки тому +9

      People feel that somethings with a common distinctive feature, is all the same
      That's how the cross-race effect happens

    • @polishherowitoldpilecki5521
      @polishherowitoldpilecki5521 3 роки тому +29

      Capitalist countries were always at war with each other.

    • @firaxolegirein9816
      @firaxolegirein9816 3 роки тому +31

      @@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 , it's always about the profit
      No matter the ideology

    • @Kabutoes
      @Kabutoes 3 роки тому +24

      I mean Argentina and the UK fought each other and they were on the same side of the spectrum

    • @GUNROCKS1990
      @GUNROCKS1990 3 роки тому +5

      1,000 years war with China?

  • @johnl.7754
    @johnl.7754 3 роки тому +285

    “Buckets of Sunshine” ☀️ 🌞

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 3 роки тому +20

      Mutually assured sunshine

    • @TheCat48488
      @TheCat48488 3 роки тому +3

      Which sunshine? The one you eat or throw?

    • @Matteo_Licata
      @Matteo_Licata 3 роки тому +3

      I was about to make the same comment :)
      Brilliant piece of writing indeed

    • @rinzo2009
      @rinzo2009 3 роки тому +1

      Buckets of Sunshine.
      Don't worry Comrades. There's enough lemonade to go around.

    • @justintr4888
      @justintr4888 2 роки тому +1

      @@Matteo_Licata I'd love to know how many takes it took to deliver that line without chuckling. This guy's deadpan delivery of lines like that is great.

  • @TheHoagie13
    @TheHoagie13 3 роки тому +193

    Yugoslavia's Profile Status: *_"It's Complicated..."_*

    • @tomsommer8372
      @tomsommer8372 3 роки тому +10

      Not really. Pure, evil communism, just like China, with a western style economy (in some parts) to help feed their people to save themselves from uprisings.

    • @cruchot555
      @cruchot555 3 роки тому +4

      @@tomsommer8372 Tom is absolutely right and I say this as someone who was born in raised in that wretched country.

    • @metaphorpritam
      @metaphorpritam 3 роки тому +6

      @NilatS Same as any other communist bureaucrat.

    • @metaphorpritam
      @metaphorpritam 3 роки тому +7

      @NilatS LOLzzxx...My grandfather was a communist revolutionary and I live in West Bengal with 35 years of communist rule.....LOLzzzxxx....Is that a good enough source, bootlicker?

    • @metaphorpritam
      @metaphorpritam 3 роки тому +7

      @NilatS '"communism" never existed there,'
      Stateless Classless Uropia is never achievable......It is just a ruse to gain gain power. Also, it was never communism vs Capitalism, it is about centralization vs Decentralization, Individual vs the collective, Control at what scale is the question........ LOLzzxx.....There are communists here too,,....People are delusional..

  • @sankarchaya
    @sankarchaya 3 роки тому +195

    I always found it ironic that Mao's anger at Khrushchev's revisionism in the 50s and 60s in the long run led to him making a sort of deal with the devil with Nixon and Kissinger.

    • @johnd2058
      @johnd2058 3 роки тому +33

      I always found it ironic that Mao, a Communist, preferred peasants over industrial proletarians, let alone proceeded to call _other_ Communists "revisionist".

    • @blueberrypirate3601
      @blueberrypirate3601 3 роки тому +16

      Largely because Mao saw his own creed as vehemently superior to Moscow and look where it went. Today Putins just as wary of Chinese clout on his eastern borders as Brezhnev was in the 60s and Gorby in the 80s.

    • @Nelsonwmj
      @Nelsonwmj 3 роки тому +12

      One thing common between Mao and Kissinger was how brutally realistic both of them were. Mao was in many ways just like Kissinger, except he got more and more batshit crazy and megalomanic as he aged badly.

    • @Newbmann
      @Newbmann 3 роки тому +12

      @@blueberrypirate3601 it doesn't help that Chinese diplomats recently "reminded Russia about Haishenwai"
      Yeah there's still bitterness about Vladivostok being russian of all things on China's side. So China's continuing to give russia reasons to be wary.

    • @black10872
      @black10872 3 роки тому +4

      @@Newbmann sooner or later they will fight. It's all a matter of timing.

  • @thelovertunisia
    @thelovertunisia 3 роки тому +101

    Henri Kissinger was among the first politicians to recognise the Sino-Soviet split and to capitalise on it.

    • @maxmeggeneder8935
      @maxmeggeneder8935 3 роки тому +2

      One of the first whose name we still remember today.
      Back then all of the western intelligence agencies through themselves on that topic to weaken and divide the socialist block and the international communist movements. Covert operations, "Maoist" groups, parties and newspapers established directly by the CIA or West German intelligence. Many "Maoist" parties had more professional spies than actual members from 1960 onward. Until Maoism became popular after 1968 and new parties and groups were established. This time by actual communists, but still loaded with infiltrators and spies.

    • @michaelra275
      @michaelra275 3 роки тому +9

      I was going to say. That underestimates Washington. They knew damn right well there was a split. How to exploit it was a bigger question.

    • @thelovertunisia
      @thelovertunisia 3 роки тому +4

      @@michaelra275 Well, often bureacratic latency prevents good decisions from being taken everywhere in the world.

    • @meilinchan7314
      @meilinchan7314 3 роки тому +2

      Took Nixon to see it although USA paid a heavy price for it.

    • @thelovertunisia
      @thelovertunisia 3 роки тому +5

      @@meilinchan7314 Yes but the US has the luxury of wasting resources that we others don't have. The USSR wasted itself to death. Moreover we here in Tunisia had a socialist period and we found the biggest problem with these systems is that since everybody is state employed and cannot be licensed they do not give a shit about productivity and also squander the resources since it is not theirs.

  • @Xerxezkov
    @Xerxezkov 3 роки тому +474

    You missed a good chance to include Sino-Vietnam relationship, another false unity in Communist bloc.

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 3 роки тому +51

      I hope there is video a of Communist Vietnam's conflict (including war) with Communist Cambodia and China.
      Edit: I originally said Laos instead of Cambodia

    • @dairebulson7122
      @dairebulson7122 3 роки тому +38

      @@badluck5647 You mean Vietnam and Cambodia, right?
      Laos was generally aligned with Vietnam and the USSR, though it didn't directly participate in the war against Khmer Rouge Cambodia. For a number of years in the 1980s, China did support Hmong rebels against Laos
      The defeat of the Khmer Rouge led to the establishment of the People's Republic of Kampuchea, aligned with Vietnam, Laos, and the Soviets, and a curious "Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea" composed of the Khmer Rouge, Sihanouk royalists, and Khmer nationalist/pro-US KPNLF which was supported by Thailand, China, and the US

    • @bj3040
      @bj3040 3 роки тому +18

      Vietnam was Russia's proxy, it was sino-russian war.

    • @trojanthedog
      @trojanthedog 3 роки тому +29

      We realised early on that Communism was just as nationalistic as any other system.

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 3 роки тому +26

      @@trojanthedog Maybe more so. Most capitalist are willing to do unpatriotic things to make money. Just look at Disney's and other western corporations' willingness to do anything the Chinese Communist Party wants in exchange for market access.

  • @Nathan-jh1ho
    @Nathan-jh1ho 3 роки тому +185

    6:58 I thought "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" was created by Deng Xiaoping after he adopted capitalist/mercantile economic policies

    • @kadarrosa9926
      @kadarrosa9926 3 роки тому +39

      It was

    • @accent1666
      @accent1666 3 роки тому +5

      Maoism?

    • @arrow1414
      @arrow1414 3 роки тому +16

      The phrase is being reused by the CCP for today's policies.

    • @davidw.2791
      @davidw.2791 3 роки тому +9

      Arrow 1 For continuity, they’re trying to add new stuff (e.g. Jiang Ze Min’s “Three Representing’s” but they never deny Deng Xiaoping’s founding efforts.

    • @quisqueyanguy120
      @quisqueyanguy120 3 роки тому +2

      It was

  • @JenniferinIllinois
    @JenniferinIllinois 3 роки тому +95

    "Buckets of sunshine" - OMG that's a fine description of nukes. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @giannb5145
    @giannb5145 3 роки тому +31

    Important to note that at the height of Sino-Soviet split (there was even actual fighting between Russians and Chinese in 1969), there was cooperation between China and the Soviet Union in two very important fronts: joint support for Viet-Cong, and for PLO (Yasser Arafat was one smart guy, receiving arms and money from Ultra-Communist Mao and Ultra-Islamist King Faisal at the same time...).

  • @lordsleepyhead
    @lordsleepyhead 2 роки тому +8

    When I was a kid in western Europe Yugoslavia was actually the good socialist country that you could actually travel to or trade with. Many holidays were had in Yugoslavia and they were all awesome.

    • @12D_D21
      @12D_D21 2 роки тому +7

      Yugoslavia was also the most successful socialist nation economically; despite being a dictatorship, it was the least repressive out of all the European ones; and they were one of the least ideological, most pragmatic countries of the time.
      Ultimately, Yugoslavia collapsed more because of ethnic tensions and an economic recession that would’ve happened any way. I’m actually surprised how there aren’t more socialists advocating for a more Yugoslav system

  • @battlefield3112011
    @battlefield3112011 3 роки тому +21

    Same thing with North Vietnam, China and Soviet Union. It is no secret that North Vietnam preferred dealing with the Soviets because of our history toward China (thousands of years trying to invade and occupied Vietnam).

    • @Apodeipnon
      @Apodeipnon 3 роки тому

      @lati long interestingly ROC troops actually stayed in Indochina and neighboring countries for decades afterwards, they got involved in the drug trade with the US and their agencies. But the ROC troops in Vietnam really have nothing to do with the PRC.
      The US tries to get Vietnam on their side by empathizing and exploring this supposed rivalry between China and Vietnam, they even have illusions of putting a military base in Vietnam.

    • @hughmungus1767
      @hughmungus1767 3 роки тому +1

      @lati long A Vietnamese couple that I know personally had stayed in Vietnam after South Vietnam collapsed in 1975 but when China invaded in 1979, they left via a small boat because they didn't want him drafted into the war. They became "boat people" and wound up in Canada where I got to know them.

  • @mrtrailesafety
    @mrtrailesafety 3 роки тому +45

    Mao’s problem was visiting the USSR and falling in love with Stalinism. But always being a junior partner to the USSR. Atomic weapons changed everything. Then the Ussuri River border wars, etc.

    • @StalinTheMan0fSteel
      @StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 роки тому +11

      Yeah, Mao saw Khrushchev as a weakling and Khrushchev saw Mao as an embarrassment to legitimizing Communism a modern true ideology and he also saw China as a glorified banana republic.

    • @mojewjewjew4420
      @mojewjewjew4420 3 роки тому +4

      @@StalinTheMan0fSteel Krushchev was right tho unlike mao

    • @user-cx1ki8li4t
      @user-cx1ki8li4t 2 роки тому +1

      Mao doesn't like Stalinism, but he likes personal worship. In fact, Mao likes Japan's way of economic construction.

    • @mikewilliams9069
      @mikewilliams9069 2 роки тому +1

      Both are weakpeewsies

  • @VonFreklstein
    @VonFreklstein 3 роки тому +90

    The Khmer Rouge - Vietnamese war isnt mentioned but its essential: the autarkist nationalist regimes like the Maoist China, the DPRK and Romania supported the Khmer Rouge (like the US and UK). Moscow and its allies supported Vietnam.
    In the cold war the US supported the dar more brutal and extremist side of the "communist division"

    • @niefanx
      @niefanx 3 роки тому +17

      US “support” of the Khmer Rouge is yet another myth. In reality the "support" simply means the US fought its enemy Vietnam. There was no verbal, moral or physical support. China was the biggest backer of the Khmer Rouge and US wasn't hostile to the Khmer Rouge specifically because of China(because it want china on its side against the USSR).
      China invaded Vietnam by large to counter Vietnam's invasion in Cambodia which were to topple the Khmer Rouge.
      In the whole fiasco Vietnam is the only good guy.

    • @terrorgaming459
      @terrorgaming459 3 роки тому +2

      @A Velsen its true

    • @cevinzeke5110
      @cevinzeke5110 3 роки тому

      @@terrorgaming459 *bro, just trust me bro.* Basically you right now

    • @AgusSimoncelli
      @AgusSimoncelli 3 роки тому +4

      @A Velsen How about the USA voting for like 20 years, even after the Khmer Rouge totally lost control of Cambodia, for the Rouge to retain Cambodia UN seat, effectively making it the legitimate govt in it's eyes?
      Or the US publicly giving money and weapons to groups that fought Vietnam and the Vietnam friendly govt, while openly being in coalition with the Rouge? Oh, the US assures us that no aid actually went to the Rouge, just to the coalition lead by them, but trust them bro.
      That's what in the open, nothing covert. Then we go on to the covert stuff allegations, which go from directly arming the Rouge, to pressuring China to arm the Rouge so they wouldn't have to do it themselves, to blocking an effort from the ASEAN to hold elections bc they wanted a Rouge and allies puppet govt to counter Vietnam. And all this comes from either american journalist and a Singaporean diplomat, not exactly you're typical communist propaganda outlet. Even the US DOD admitted to some aid accidentally going to the Rouge, but trust them, just a little.
      There's 0 doubt the US supported the Rouge. The only question is how much, and it ranges from some, if you somehow believe the US DOD version, to a lot, if you believe literally anyone else.

    • @user-cx1ki8li4t
      @user-cx1ki8li4t 2 роки тому +1

      The United States just hate Vietnam. If aliens fight with Vietnamese, the United States also supports aliens.

  • @eruno_
    @eruno_ 3 роки тому +43

    "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" was not Mao, but Deng Xiaoping idea

    • @ShubhamMishrabro
      @ShubhamMishrabro 3 роки тому +11

      Correct very bad mistake from this channel

    • @grassic
      @grassic 3 роки тому +9

      He doesn't say Mao said that, he says the system "would come to be called socialism with chinese characteristics", meaning in the future

    • @tomsommer8372
      @tomsommer8372 3 роки тому +10

      Absolutely. Mao was pure Stalinism, complete with atrocities and purges. Now, they shifted - for now - to economic warfare against the West while engaging in an arms race to conquer the free world.

    • @roisingtommy
      @roisingtommy 3 роки тому

      rebranded by Xi

    • @msmsmsms8515
      @msmsmsms8515 2 роки тому

      bro goofed hard

  • @hanzup4117
    @hanzup4117 3 роки тому +22

    Oh my God, I got a heart! I've been with this channel since day one, but I never thought this would happen :') Cheers to everyone at CW! Right back at you ❤️ Love your stuff and cannot wait to see what you have planned for the future.

    • @TheColdWarTV
      @TheColdWarTV  3 роки тому +13

      two hearts now

    • @hanzup4117
      @hanzup4117 3 роки тому +5

      @@TheColdWarTV You made my sucky day a little less sucky :)

    • @LookingEastChannel
      @LookingEastChannel 3 роки тому +7

      Haha. Great stuff indeed. As a child of the cold war era, so much to learn. Keep up the good work!

  • @marius_m.
    @marius_m. 2 роки тому +2

    A few missing topics: The Hungarian Revolution, The Invasion of Czechoslovakia, Romania's denunciation of soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia, Poland's Solidarity Movement

  • @nemrody7828
    @nemrody7828 3 роки тому +10

    Should have included Romanian-Soviet relations. While formally a Warsaw Pact member, Romania did all it could to distance itself from it, starting in the 1960s. It got to the point where Romania would get involved in proxy wars against the USSR, and build good relations with the West to the detriment of its socialist neighbours.

  • @SeppukuPlatinum
    @SeppukuPlatinum 3 роки тому +7

    just wanted to say how much i love your videos. they are genuinely excellent and have been for a long time. seriously awesome work

  • @evilgenius919
    @evilgenius919 3 роки тому +8

    Interesting to know that Yugoslavia was doing more of a market socialist thing. I remember the videos you did on the personal fallout between Tito & Stalin has there been a more detailed look at Yugoslavian market socialism. If not I'd be very interested in finding out more

    • @kostam.1113
      @kostam.1113 3 роки тому +5

      I am from ex-Yugoslavia
      Yugoslav economy was pretty advanced when compared to other Eastern Bloc countries
      With higher standards of living and much more freedom
      But it still greatly suffered from classical socialist drawbacks
      That were greatly exaggerated by negative effects of capitalism that was creeping in
      And also massive wealth and development inequality that later destroyed the country
      For example Slovenia had pretty high standards of living comparable to Austria while Kosovo was comparable to Africa

  • @ether49
    @ether49 3 роки тому +3

    Socialism with Chinese characteristics is not Mao's idea. it is Deng Xiaoping's. Mao's work is called Mao Zedong thought. Socialism with Chinese characteristics refers specifically to market based reforms which were undertaken by Deng and harshly opposed by Mao during his life.

  • @alex4863
    @alex4863 3 роки тому +65

    This was a much need, a substance video on most people do not care about to tell the difference between Communist/Socialism/Social-Democracy

    • @Jay-ho9io
      @Jay-ho9io 3 роки тому +1

      Agreed.

    • @maxmeggeneder8935
      @maxmeggeneder8935 3 роки тому +1

      Most people in the US maybe. That is completely diffrent in most of Europe and the Third World.
      But it is also very important to perceive and know about the diffrent streams of Marxist/Communist theory and practice. For all kinds of progressive forces and the working class at least. This is what is severely lacking in many european countries too. While our comrades in India or Colombia know these diffrences. But they also lead a much more severe class struggle and are generally more class concious.

    • @cruchot555
      @cruchot555 3 роки тому +6

      @@maxmeggeneder8935 Wrong! Most Europeans, especially in the North and West are as ignorant about Bolshevism or Stalinism as people in the US. Remember Baader-Meinhoff?

    • @maxmeggeneder8935
      @maxmeggeneder8935 3 роки тому

      @@cruchot555 Sure I remember the RAF. Read every book out there about them and their history.
      What do you want to say?
      I don't get your comment in context with "Baader-Meinhof". How do you mean that exactly?

    • @cruchot555
      @cruchot555 3 роки тому +6

      @@maxmeggeneder8935 There are many people in the German academic and political establishment with a significant electorate following who have a favorable view of the Baader-Meinhoff group as "freedom fighters". That's probably why every German movie about them portrays them as merely "misunderstood youth". Anyway, all of the above mentioned players come from middle or upper class families, including most of the RAF terrorists. Most of them had/have college degrees, some even doctor's degrees. They should know what Communism and Marxism is all about. And yet they suck Marxist-Communist ideology like mother's milk and a lot of people, especially clueless millenials, support them like crazy.

  • @haenselundgretel654
    @haenselundgretel654 3 роки тому +5

    What a perfect episode!
    I'm really enjoying all of your awesome episodes!

  • @EdMcF1
    @EdMcF1 3 роки тому +10

    I remember in the 1980s getting on a train leaving Paris to go south-east and a whole carriage was full of Yugoslav 'guest workers', one family was taking a load of luggage back to Yugoslavia including a washing machine, quite a feat.

    • @xowurb
      @xowurb 3 роки тому +1

      Its was because they preferred a western goods instead of home technology, which was also very good. Its called fashion :)

    • @carlosramos-yf8ns
      @carlosramos-yf8ns 3 роки тому

      @@xowurb no, it was a show off. "look, neighbor, i am working in france (germany, austria...) and i have my mercedes, bosch washing machine, house on 4 floors with the cement lions/gargoyles on the porch roaring, and you, pathetic piece of shit?"

  • @Jay-ho9io
    @Jay-ho9io 3 роки тому +32

    "Shithousery"
    Excellent.

  • @louismartinez7040
    @louismartinez7040 3 роки тому +7

    This is an interesting subject something often misunderstood by people. I remember reading about how Americans said that all communist countries were controlled by Moscow but most if not all communist nations, from Poland to North Korea had unique agendas during the Cold War that sometimes clashed with the USSR. One example i know of is when North Korea captured the USS Pueblo in international waters. Moscow was reportedly not pleased with that action.

  • @yourstruly4817
    @yourstruly4817 3 роки тому +38

    I wonder what would've happened if NATO and Warsaw Pact clashed, would the Poles, Czechoslovakians etc been loyal to Russia? Especially East Germany, how keen would they have been on fighting their West German brothers?

    • @pupska23
      @pupska23 3 роки тому +8

      Personally I think that's a very interesting question. I think that a clash would almost certainly cause civilians in Eastern Bloc to take advantage of most military personnel being deployed to or near combat zones. Though depends on the individual country... i.e. I don't think the Stasi in East Germany wouldn't shy away from using lethal force though Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary would perhaps have the internal descent not be dealt with as heavy handedly so to say. Also the time period would play a big part with IMO if the clash was in the early 50s or late 80s there'd be more likely than not to have more dissent than if the clash was in the 60s, 70s, or early 80s.

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 3 роки тому +14

      East German Army was very loyal generally the polish Army during the Stalin era also was decently loyal.
      The East German army was spacificly noted to be very brutal against the uprisings in Hungary and czechoslovakia.

    • @pupska23
      @pupska23 3 роки тому +7

      @@command_unit7792 exactly why I think the DDR would have internal dissent not effect their military capabilities substantially, being a minor inconvenience at the most. Plus the DDR after the USSR had the most capable soldiers.

    • @pupska23
      @pupska23 3 роки тому +5

      @@savagedarksider5934 Now that's a scenario with so many variables and possibilities of outcome that it would take at least a few hours for me to even think over. Though I'll say this... the world would be VERY different from where we're at presently.

    • @pupska23
      @pupska23 3 роки тому +2

      @@savagedarksider5934 I don't know if I'd say that. But who knows, that's one big can of worms.

  • @BoredFish1605
    @BoredFish1605 3 роки тому +44

    "What is unity???,this is a forcing opinion and we need reform"
    -Czechoslovakia probably

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 роки тому +4

      It is also uncontested ballots during elections.

    • @mojewjewjew4420
      @mojewjewjew4420 3 роки тому

      @@Marinealver Sound like US

  • @ekmalsukarno2302
    @ekmalsukarno2302 3 роки тому +38

    The Cold War, can you please make a video exclusively about Argentina under Juan Peron. Please accept my request.

    • @dairebulson7122
      @dairebulson7122 3 роки тому +9

      Peronism is indeed interesting especially in the context of the Cold War

    • @luisfernandosantosn
      @luisfernandosantosn 3 роки тому +2

      You can also find a very similar figure in Brazil in Vargas. They are Very similar, but the major diference is that in Argentina peronism branched and is still somewhat relevant, while varguism became a footnote even by those that still use the name of his party

    • @dairebulson7122
      @dairebulson7122 3 роки тому +2

      @@luisfernandosantosn Well, could Vargas' influence be considered to have lasted at least a short while during the Cold War, as an influence on Kubitschek and Goulart?
      (Before said influence was totally snuffed out by the 1964 Brazilian coup and subsequent military dictatorship for 20 years)

    • @StalinTheMan0fSteel
      @StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 роки тому +2

      That would be interesting! Maybe also the CIA installation of Pinochet in Chile, or how about an entire video on South America through the Cold war.

  • @tompegorinno5141
    @tompegorinno5141 3 роки тому +7

    Communist unity is like communists inside communists nations saying they're not communist enough.

  • @martinlisitsata
    @martinlisitsata 3 роки тому +12

    "business" ... comrades this channel has gone through a successful counter revolution!

  • @theodorossarafis7370
    @theodorossarafis7370 3 роки тому +5

    A major issue between tito and stalin was the support of yuhoslavia to the greek communistic during the greek civil war.

  • @sabflash
    @sabflash 3 роки тому +1

    The treat of my Sunday morning . Thanks for your great work

  • @StrickerRei-Chn
    @StrickerRei-Chn 2 роки тому +2

    6:51 Em... the Socialism with Chinese characteristic was introduced by Deng Xiaoping as a way to open and reform the country after the cultural revolution. Not by Mao ZeDong.

  • @hughmungus1767
    @hughmungus1767 3 роки тому +1

    You are mistaken if you think tensions between the USSR and PRC only began after Stalin's death. I distinctly remember reading about a visit Mao made to Moscow in 1950. It was a lengthy visit that lasted several months. Mao spent most of it waiting to meet Stalin to discuss how the two nations should proceed. Stalin kept making excuses about how he had other more pressing matters to handle and Mao got seriously aggravated by being left to cool his heels. As I understand it, their personal relationship never recovered.

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 2 роки тому +1

    When you said "Buckets of sunshine" I couldn't help but think of the song "Walking On Sunshine"

  • @Enthos2
    @Enthos2 2 роки тому +5

    it's funny that Mao is still revered in China despite the CCP doing exactly the sort of trend back towards consumerism that Mao criticized the Soviets for

  • @michaelcutler5538
    @michaelcutler5538 2 роки тому +1

    "If you wanna build a bunch of bunkers, you gotta break a few revisionists"- Enver Hoxha, probably

  • @HistoryOfRevolutions
    @HistoryOfRevolutions 3 роки тому +11

    "Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence"
    - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  • @PedroBournigal-kk4ib
    @PedroBournigal-kk4ib 2 роки тому +2

    GOSH YOU ARE JUST AMAZED ME I LEARN SO MUCH THAT I CAN Even 🥺🥺🥺🥺 BELIEVE THAT IS AMAZING WE NEED MORE OF THIS THIS IS HISTORY TEACHERS 👍😃

  • @schizoidboy
    @schizoidboy Рік тому +1

    I remember from my Russian/Asia history course that the relations between Russia and China were always a bit tense. In the Imperial Russia days they were often extending their territory into Russia especially into Chinese territory.

  • @rootin222
    @rootin222 3 роки тому +3

    Hoxah was right, He liberated Albania without any foreign support and was the first liberated country in Europe

    • @rootin222
      @rootin222 3 роки тому

      @@___-cp6or Albania because of the communist policies today has 90% homeownership so I don’t know what you’re talking about

    • @user-cx1ki8li4t
      @user-cx1ki8li4t 2 роки тому +1

      In addition, hoxah's academic thought has influenced many people, especially in Muslim areas.

  • @ottovonbismarck1352
    @ottovonbismarck1352 3 роки тому +27

    “A system that would come to be called socialism with Chinese characteristics”
    Wow how creative and catchy. Historians are great at giving names.

    • @kaavi1391
      @kaavi1391 3 роки тому +24

      It was not named by historians but the Chinese leader deng Xiaoping himself.

    • @thatonedudebutwho9919
      @thatonedudebutwho9919 3 роки тому +6

      @@kaavi1391 yeah that's why it's also called dengism

    • @kaavi1391
      @kaavi1391 3 роки тому +1

      @@thatonedudebutwho9919 dengism is the best thing that ever happened to china.

    • @mikek5322
      @mikek5322 3 роки тому

      @@kaavi1391 SPY!

    • @thatonedudebutwho9919
      @thatonedudebutwho9919 3 роки тому +1

      @@kaavi1391 ok revisionist

  • @aa-wi3wt
    @aa-wi3wt 3 роки тому +3

    Socialism with chinese characteristics was developed by Deng Xiaoping when he came to power, Mao practiced Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong thought

  • @GaysianAmerican
    @GaysianAmerican 3 роки тому +1

    Why was there unemployment and labor flight in yugoslavia? How does that work?

    • @panicatack6318
      @panicatack6318 3 роки тому

      Economy growth was immense from 1950 to 1964 but still it wasn't enough to employ population. Prior WW2 Yugoslavia was one of the most poorest country in Europe. Although some regions (ex AU monarchy) were fairly good industrialized , the rest of Yugoslavia was mostly agrarian, poor, backwards, with high illiteracy rate among general population. Add the wartime devastation and it's clear that Yu haven't exactly best starting position in 1945.

  • @Simon150999
    @Simon150999 2 роки тому +2

    What myth of Communist Unity? I've always been raised with the idea that communists are always at odds with one another. There was a saying in my country that there were more communist parties than there were communists.

  • @lepjagman
    @lepjagman Рік тому

    Is this channel related to the Time Ghost Army? It's got the same vibe.

  • @georgequalls5043
    @georgequalls5043 Рік тому

    J William Fulbright pointed this out way back in the early 60s.

  • @kayzeaza
    @kayzeaza 3 роки тому +4

    This channel is the best!

  • @hellenicboy4757
    @hellenicboy4757 3 роки тому +15

    Imagine wanting the workers of the world to unite when socialist countries couldn't even agree with each other lmao

    • @diazkohen2149
      @diazkohen2149 3 роки тому +4

      Since Congress Hague 1872, Leftists are always fighting each other

    • @ShubhamMishrabro
      @ShubhamMishrabro 3 роки тому

      Hahahahah

    • @F22onblockland
      @F22onblockland 3 роки тому +2

      certified Kronstadt Moment

    • @antrim7008
      @antrim7008 3 роки тому +1

      @@diazkohen2149 Yes because certain leftists represent the middle class. This was noticed very early on by M&E after dealing with Proudhon’s shit for ages.

    • @diazkohen2149
      @diazkohen2149 3 роки тому

      @@antrim7008 Bakunin?

  • @michamalinowski8015
    @michamalinowski8015 3 роки тому +1

    The Vietnam-Cambodia-China conflict would also be a interesting example.

    • @user-cx1ki8li4t
      @user-cx1ki8li4t 2 роки тому

      The main reason is territorial disputes and ethnic contradictions, not communism.

    • @michamalinowski8015
      @michamalinowski8015 2 роки тому

      @@user-cx1ki8li4t You can say the same about the examples in the video. You could say the devides were between pro-Soviet and pro-Chinese Asian countries.

  • @willwallacetree
    @willwallacetree 3 роки тому +1

    Is that the legendary sought after blue drinks coaster?

    • @TheColdWarTV
      @TheColdWarTV  3 роки тому +2

      Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

  • @sammunn5177
    @sammunn5177 3 роки тому +7

    Could you do a video about unity/disunity amongst the Capitalist side in the Cold War?

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 роки тому +4

      That would be called France.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 3 роки тому

      @@Marinealver lol this pretty much

  • @kuroazrem5376
    @kuroazrem5376 3 роки тому +11

    The way the West saw Communism is the way they see Islam and the Muslim World. That has lead to many failures in policy regarding both.

    • @F22onblockland
      @F22onblockland 3 роки тому +2

      US: hmm Sunni and Shia what is this....
      US: Oh well doesn't seem too important, lets destabilize some countries and make some money

  • @Spanishdog17
    @Spanishdog17 3 роки тому +8

    And UA-cam shows that we still can't work together

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 роки тому +1

      Google, Twitter, Facebook, and Twitch cemented that fact.

  • @thethirdjegs
    @thethirdjegs 3 роки тому +7

    Nuclear explosions a.k.a buckets of sunshine

  • @Felixxxxxxxxx
    @Felixxxxxxxxx 3 роки тому

    Very informative and interesting, thank you

  • @joma5721
    @joma5721 3 роки тому +2

    You should fire whoever wrote that segment on the Sino-soviet split. It was full of distortions of truth, half truths and untruths.

  • @joshuarogers378
    @joshuarogers378 3 роки тому +4

    When your series is over you should keep doing videos on the socialist revolution or at least whats left and the small groups claiming socialism in the U.S and all.over the world. We shouldn't let our guard down. Just because the USSR fell doesn't mean its over!!

  • @yungtoolshed251
    @yungtoolshed251 3 роки тому +3

    Are you guys going to do a deep dive on the cultural revolution in China? I can't find a ton of content about it on UA-cam.

    • @GAndreC
      @GAndreC 3 роки тому

      And you won’t find it in any near future

  • @HamzaPKR
    @HamzaPKR 3 роки тому

    There are several examples missing here but I suppose they intend to cover them in specific episodes.

  • @kd23se4
    @kd23se4 3 роки тому +1

    Love your "motivational talks" to press the like button :)

  • @StalinTheMan0fSteel
    @StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 роки тому +7

    You left out Mao's favorite name for Khrushchev.... "Trotsky"!

  • @rodchallis8031
    @rodchallis8031 3 роки тому +4

    Ideology in international politics was always a red herring. It's always about the ground: where it is and what's in it.

    • @antrim7008
      @antrim7008 3 роки тому

      Believe it or not both the ussr and us knew what geopolitics were.

    • @ammarally3055
      @ammarally3055 3 роки тому +1

      Ideology is very much a real force in geopolitics

  • @simplicius11
    @simplicius11 3 роки тому +9

    The myth about Yugoslav market socialism.

    • @xowurb
      @xowurb 3 роки тому

      You ware there? Your perspective is from the"first hand"?

  • @idiocrat3744
    @idiocrat3744 3 роки тому +3

    Hey, can you please make a video about Red Army Faction, a guerilla organization in West Germany that lasted until 1998?

  • @Dorrzo
    @Dorrzo 2 роки тому

    Whats the background song at the start?

  • @stevearchtoe7039
    @stevearchtoe7039 3 роки тому +1

    Where did all the hand movement go?

  • @deanbuss1678
    @deanbuss1678 3 роки тому +1

    David.
    You guys at CWC have really piqued my interest lately.
    Never had an idea that they're where such sharp fractures in the comm- block

    • @ShubhamMishrabro
      @ShubhamMishrabro 3 роки тому

      Really? Where are you from cause I'm from india we are not surprised by this as we fought China even though both were socialist

  • @lachlanwilliams5818
    @lachlanwilliams5818 3 роки тому

    This is the only time I've heard nukes referred to as buckets of sunshine.

  • @axelastrom1831
    @axelastrom1831 3 роки тому

    David, you are a great host :)

  • @roguegenesis7020
    @roguegenesis7020 3 роки тому +8

    I refuse to believe David and his step-daughters relationship is "icy"😤

    • @hughmungus1767
      @hughmungus1767 3 роки тому

      That's not what he said. The icy relationship was between other people.

  • @chrisbrownaz
    @chrisbrownaz 3 роки тому +3

    Regarding CCP controlled China: I think it's pathetic that an ideology that claims to support the poor bans attempting to form unions (punishable by seven years imprisonment) and has no concept of a 40-hour workweek or overtime pay. Many workers in China work 10 hour days or more and six-day workweeks are the norm. Multiparty democracy is the best for poor people, not authoritarian regimes.

  • @johnbeechy
    @johnbeechy 3 роки тому +1

    there was never any one main thought of central control // thanks for the upload be safe during the remainder of Purge 2020-21

  • @theawesomeman9821
    @theawesomeman9821 3 роки тому +1

    Maybe if the Soviets treated their fellow Communists as equals then the Communist world would be more united.

    • @GAndreC
      @GAndreC 3 роки тому +1

      They didn’t have the industrial, population, agricultural or military base to be equals though. Never in our current recorded history have larger nations treated the small ones as equal just gone from unequal to not interested to somewhere in that ballpark

  • @peaceraybob
    @peaceraybob 3 роки тому +2

    When did Ronnie Corbett migrate to the US?

    • @hughmungus1767
      @hughmungus1767 3 роки тому

      I believe David, the host to which you seem to be referring, is Canadian, not American.

  • @JayZx777
    @JayZx777 3 роки тому

    Poland was almost invaded by USSR in 1956 during Poznan protests and Gomulka being selected as a leader of Poland. Chruszczow arrived to Poland and threatened Poles with USSR invasion, but Poland was able to pursue the Polish way of Socialism with Mao's support. Chruszczow was notified by the Poles that Mao supports Gomulka and Polish reforms and USSR had to back off. Also, most Poles remembered (and still does) Soviets invading Poland in 1920 and 1939 (with Germany) and majority of Poles didn't trust the Russians in any way. Russians murdered and deported millions of Poles between 1939 and 1956, hence the soviets were looked upon as the enemy not friends.

  • @PavelZaitsev
    @PavelZaitsev 3 роки тому

    A great channel Sir!

  • @jmrrrdann3369
    @jmrrrdann3369 3 роки тому +1

    Communist is the worst thing to happen to humanity

  • @DimeTrombe
    @DimeTrombe 3 роки тому +6

    Živeo bratstvo i jedinstvo SF/SN

  • @melonshop8888
    @melonshop8888 3 роки тому +3

    🌷🌸🌹🌼 CAPITALISM FOREVERE THE BEST SYSTEM.!!! 👍👍👍

  • @EuropeanQoheleth
    @EuropeanQoheleth 3 роки тому +2

    You'd think this myth would have gone away by now what with all the documentaries about it (and some of the cards in Twilight Struggle heh heh).

  • @PurpleCrownVic
    @PurpleCrownVic 3 роки тому

    My new favorite quote from the King of Corn.
    "Isn't it better to have good gulash?"

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 3 роки тому +3

    I liked your phrase "buckets of sunshine."

  • @OrkhanJulfa
    @OrkhanJulfa 2 роки тому +1

    Communists were united only in one thing, how to repress their own people.

  • @paulgaskins7713
    @paulgaskins7713 3 роки тому +2

    I’m pretty sure when your step daughter says icy she means like gucci mane icy

  • @MrPigeonaids
    @MrPigeonaids 3 роки тому +3

    Workers get profits and select managers? Sound great to me.

    • @GAndreC
      @GAndreC 3 роки тому +2

      But how is the owner supposed to maximize his income if workers can afford to live semi comfortably with that job. This takes away the right of the owner to tank the business of labor, healthcare or import/export conditions change

    • @raymondhartmeijer9300
      @raymondhartmeijer9300 3 роки тому

      @@GAndreC a worker-collective would be owned by the workers, instead of a single employer or (in large scale business) by the shareholders. The workers become the shareholders, at least for 51 procent, ofc. In fact there are hundreds of these worker co-ops in the US today

    • @19Koty96
      @19Koty96 3 роки тому

      @A Velsen What you just said is an oxymoron. You essentially said that "maximising profit is reducing the profit". It is always about maximising profit, it just shows that happy worker is a more productive worker.

    • @raymondhartmeijer9300
      @raymondhartmeijer9300 3 роки тому

      @A Velsen if capitalist production would not be about maximizing profit, then you can't explain why American companies would move their entire production to low-wage countries like China. Or why they would have nightshifts so machines can continue operating round the clock, or why they would search for new technologies or marketing strategies to beat their rivals

    • @raymondhartmeijer9300
      @raymondhartmeijer9300 3 роки тому

      @A Velsen That's very naive, ofc big business is trying to please the consumer, but one has to take into account all the lenghts the capitalists go through to cut costs, ie. to enlarge the rate of their profits. That's why our phones are produced in China, our clothes in Bangladesh etc

  • @Redx6504
    @Redx6504 2 роки тому +1

    I dunno man "socialism with Chinese characteristics" just sounds like national socialism by any other name to me.

  • @user-zr5im7ys7q
    @user-zr5im7ys7q 2 роки тому

    The fascist bloc was also not united. Mussolini nearly declared war on Hitler.

  • @lishiping84
    @lishiping84 2 роки тому

    The Chinese communism movement, or more specifically, Mao's Communism movement, was totally off the chart of Stalin's plan from the very early stage in the 1920s. After the split between KMT and CCP. The leaders (most of them under the lead of Communist international) of CCP led a series of failed revolts in Guangzhou and other big cities (LIke what Russian did in 1917). But Mao just started his movement in the countryside.
    This is totally against Marxism and Stalin's plan. Later Stalin called Mao Margarine Communism.
    Also, USSR and China have differences during the Korean War.

  • @WillN2Go1
    @WillN2Go1 3 роки тому +4

    Good video - filled in a lot of gaps. Thanks. Mao really liked Stalin's personality cult - all the posters, the 'royal' treatment ... (Mao may have been the 'Red Emperor' but keep in mind no one outside the Forbidden City had ever seen a Chinese Emperor - that was the 'old power propaganda technique.' ) When Lin Biao cooked up the Little Red Book and the chanting "Long Live Chairman Mao!" Mao was more than ready for it.
    And 1961 when the Soviet technicians left the Peoples Republic of China, and their split was ON; this was an opportunity for the U.S. - that wasn't realized until the rapprochement in 1972 Nixon-Kissinger (Alan Whiting! look him up. Kissinger was on the phone with him every day, as he and Nixon knew nothing about China). One might argue that China had to change before it would talk with the U.S. but in 1972 the Cultural Revolution was in full swing and just as crazy and Mao was still in power. Had we stepped in in 1961 the Vietnam War could've been settled before the American War got going. The U.S. has had a long long problem of seeking out the most corrupt, usually right wing, people to support. There was a CIA Agent who quit the agency saying how much he hated leaving embassy parties where he'd been talking up American Democracy and Free Enterprise to go to the worst part of town to meet with the worst possible people to commit the worst acts to further the interests of the United States. It's in Haskell Wexler's documentary Case Officer.

  • @felicityc
    @felicityc 3 роки тому +2

    you seem to be conflating people's misunderstanding of socialism and communism in general with actual unity

    • @nattygsbord
      @nattygsbord 3 роки тому +3

      The reds are confused themselves, so its therefore not easy for outsiders to make their minds up. And who is a real Communist? - That's a question you have no answer to.
      To me is your debate worthless. Those countries were all socialists, but they were all called members of the Communist bloc. So one can therefore choose to call them "communist" just as well as "socialist" if one likes to.

    • @zhu_zi4533
      @zhu_zi4533 3 роки тому

      Because communism is actually extreme socialism

    • @raymondhartmeijer9300
      @raymondhartmeijer9300 3 роки тому

      @@nattygsbord yes, 'Communist states', 'Communist bloc' etc were definitions only used by the West, simply because a Communist party was ruling the country. However, for the communists themselves, the ideology stated the communism was a form of society somewhere in the far future. (this explains the name of their political party, the aim was eventually communism, but they were not there yet)
      Their immidiate policy was usually called Marxism-Leninism, or a variation of that.
      for example, a statement like 'a conflict between Freedom and Communism' made by Kennedy, wouldn't make any sense to a communist. In their view, they are moving away from the slavery of capitalism towards more freedom

  • @okapijohn4351
    @okapijohn4351 3 роки тому +2

    Please make a video about Portugal during the Cold War.

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver 3 роки тому +2

    Nothing says Unity more than
    CRUSHING ALL OPPOSITION AMD DISSENT!

  • @goranmrdakovic1298
    @goranmrdakovic1298 3 роки тому

    I really,really want to know more about Balkan Federation map on 3:36 .Was it drawn back in the day by actual political players or is it just piece of imagination drawn by some enthusiast much later?

    • @hughmungus1767
      @hughmungus1767 3 роки тому

      If you're talking about a merger of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, I've seen videos that said it was indeed proposed and discussed between the two countries. I don't recall why it failed to take place though.

  • @bhangrafan4480
    @bhangrafan4480 3 роки тому +1

    What myth? Most people old enough to be alive at the time were vaguely aware of the divisions. I suppose there were some ignorant members of the US public who did not know about Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania and China having schisms with the USSR. US/UK diplomats certainly did know and sought to exploit it. The west tried to be big friends with these countries to weaken and divide the Communist world. In 1972 Nixon established a rather cynical alliance with Communist China against the USSR. The UK I remember sold military technology to the Romanians. Meanwhile the west courted Belgrade.

  • @JDA2185
    @JDA2185 Рік тому

    LOL... There may have been certain disagreements between the communist countries, however one thing, one vital and crucial aspect WAS ALWAYS a very strong common point: the communist agenda. Which was the communization of the world. That was something they all always worked on. Even if not in an alliance but individually, THEY ALL WORKED ON IT.

  • @Elyseon
    @Elyseon 2 роки тому +1

    TL;DR "My flavor of totalitarianism is better than yours and I should be in charge!" "No me!" "No me!" "You're a revisionist!" "No you're a revisionist!"

    • @ammarally3055
      @ammarally3055 Рік тому

      Not really there were substantial differances in each others ideology. "Leftist infighting" is a whole meme because of this

  • @maxpower3144
    @maxpower3144 3 роки тому +1

    Communism socialism dictatorship tyranny authoritarianism it is all the same

  • @jamesbarca7229
    @jamesbarca7229 2 роки тому

    Do you have a reference for that? (1:18) Stalin wanted to expand communism and eventually take over western Europe. His expansionist ambitions discredit the argument that he was looking to establish a buffer between the USSR and its' enemies, afaic. He may have made that claim publicly for obvious reasons, but do you have any sources showing that was his actual thinking rather than expanding communism, which was always his goal from the very beginning? Do you really think he would have left eastern Europe alone except for the fact he was afraid of western Europe? I think not.

    • @12D_D21
      @12D_D21 2 роки тому

      While in the long term he might’ve wanted to expand communism, he knew he couldn’t just blitz into Western Europe, so he had to make buffer states. It’s the exact same geopolitical goal the Russian Empire had before the USSR, and it’s the exact same the Russian Federation has now.

  • @josefmuller86
    @josefmuller86 3 роки тому +9

    Friendships of ideological interests are like girl frienships. A lot of admiration and talk, but readiness to betray, especially during dire times.
    Friendships of economic interests are like guy friendships. You call eachothers donkeys, but it is more stable, and readiness to help when it is needed.