HSE: John Egbert, Pt. 2
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2020
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Hey chums! We continue our exploration of John Egbert's character by considering his relationship to clowns, as they reflect his perception of himself as a Fool. Poor John doesn't really like his own ignorance, but sometimes it's hard to help what you know! Especially when you live in a chaos multiverse where the answers to any question are so big and complicated they can fill up youtube channels.
What's your favorite John moment? What do you love about our prankster scamp? Let me know in the comments! And of course,
Keep rising! - Ігри
John’s self loathing is also a bit of an analog for the self-insert that he’s meant to be, albeit in a rather dark way. Half of the reason why people want to be someone other than them is because of some desire that they are bland and uninteresting and that other people are always doing cooler stuff and having better times than they are. And just like John, sometimes you just need to take everything in and realize (especially in John’s case) that no matter what, you do matter and you have an impact in the world (in john’s case, making it possible to win the game with all party members alive). Sometimes you just need somebody else to point it out to you how special you are.
4:55 "For having failed to understand his dad well enough to properly appreciate him while he was alive."
That's funny. I felt the same way about John after the epilogue.
SH,,, SHUT UR,,,UP 😭
killing off John in the meat timeline was the worst thing imaginable, i entirely blame Dirk Strider on this. John got served a raw deal in the end, no matter meat or candy
"John is the ultimate self-insert character"
MSPA Reader: am i a joke to you??
(yes mspar, you are in fact a joke most of the time)
Last time I was this early, I made a "Last time I was this early, John was still 10" joke. It was a week ago.
HydroGlobus ahahahahaha
AAAAAAAAA
Heheh
unoriginally original.
My favorite thing about John is, in spite of his ignorance sometimes both getting him and/or his friends into a jam, its that same blind trust and good nature that allows him to make friends in even the most unlikely situations. Hes a people pleaser at heart, loves and cherishes all his best buds no matter the distance, and personally contributes to their betterment in multiple ways directly or indirectly. He's a great guy.
John: An introspective optimist in the face of adversity.
John's Dad's death was the worst death in the entire comic
John is a Persona protagonist like you said. He influences his friends to change for the better, he has many potential romances (Rose, Vriska, Roxy, Terezi, etc.), he is being messed up by powerful beings (Andrew Hussie, Doc Scratch, Gamzee Makara, Caliborn/Lord English, MSPA Reader, etc.), and he has relatable emotional problems. John's absence in Homestuck 2 shows all the chaos of Dirk trying to keep the story working by being the big bad, and everything else feels like a slice of life since there's no hero (John) and the villain (Dirk) isn't being taken seriously.
"John hates himself for being ignorant of what is going on." ....oh ;_;
"He atracts the attention of Terezi Pyrope"
Why would people watch these videos having not finished Homestuck?
@@unix6457 Because they mostly analize the psicology of the characters and the simbolisms in the story, without necesary giving spoilers.
@@Viuh Good character analyses usually study the story the character is from. Examining their actions and interactions is integral. Go finish the comic before you try to delve deep into the psychology of characters.
@@unix6457 dude I finished the comic, the epilogues, hiveswap, friend simulador, pestequest, and i am up to date with HS2 xD
@@Viuh What I said still stands for anyone who needs to heed a spoiler warning on this type of video.
1:40 Which makes sense, because he is the Heir of Breath, he unknowingly changes directions and aspirations.
4:16 Ultimate "bland self-insert". Vriska and Caliborn are self-insert characters too, but in a different way.
That, I actually enjoyed the end of this video, not quite sure why.
@@forg8800 I'm a Patron.
It's also probable I found some kind of backlog content. If it makes you feel any better I pushed about $300 into HSE in one month shortly before watching this. Basically footing the bill for an entire episode.
I just realized something. The fact that Rose let John write a chapter of the gamefaq might mean that Kanaya was tricked into thinking she was reading something written by Rose while it was actually John. Twice.
I say let the former boy-skylark enjoy his prankster's gambit!
Normally I would be mad at cliffhangers but I'm now thinking "woo Pt 3!"
Thumbnail: SELF LOATHING F O O L
Me: haha same
Thumbnail: "The Self-Loathing Fool"
gog what a mood
Ty for these quality John vids!! :)
He loves his friends so much!! ;-;
John is best kid change my mind.
Ok, I have been loving these videos, and since I have been thinking about this a lot, I wanted to kinda publish this idea, in hopes that others see it, or even DuelestSenpai(XD). On that note, this is about both John, Homestuck, Steven in Steven Universe, and one of my friends, who we will call K.
The main crux of my argument is that the Heir of Breath is almost the "perfect storm" Classpect. It's pretty obvious that in terms of power and versatility, some Classes and Aspects just don't have as much as others. Calling the Heir of Breath the "perfect storm" is the same idea as calling a Lord of Time, or Muse of Space the "perfect storm". A combination of Class and Aspect that weilds amazing, almost horrifying power, even in its most basic idea/form.
We all know that all Heirs have tremendous power and agency, unless your Equius and Mituna, who get the Aspects that are about Nothing and Limits, but still, Equius has immense strength to change reality through it, and Mituna has his immense psionic powers that he just lost.
My point is, all Heirs have tremendous power and agency, with a road of self improvement and maturity to fully grasp it. Now, let me tell you about 2 characters, one, my friend K, who I have found is the Heir of Space. They allow the world to do what it wants, and just does their own thing, but even them, they have considerable prowass in many areas. Their main problem is their inability to fully grow up and imbrace how much power and potential I know that they have.
Next, we have Steven Universe, who I see as an Heir of Life. He has enheireted Life and the Powers of Life from his mother, in the most literal way. Unfortunately, he has been fighting with himself in SU Future, seeing how not normal, how different and free he grew up. His whole growing up, instead of BREAKING rules, he doesn't HAVE rules. His powers in the show even reflect the horrible power an Heir of Life would have. A Magician of Life, casting their magic negatively, is a horribly destructive force, just as much as casting positive magic is a creative one.
But here's my reasoning, now that I have those two out of the way: even with those two having so much power... John still outstrips both in Power and Agency. It is literally in his Aspect.
I'm arguing that the Heir is the CLASS of Agency and Maturity, and the path for a Breath Player is one of finding their Agency and Letting their creative potential fly.
John gets this power, as stated in the video, in the form of Retcon.
He now has infinite Agency, infinite Creative potential, and infinite Time, Space, and Knowledge(Light) to his power set.
That why I see the retcon as the combination of the 4 Beta kids aspects, as they were the ones sucked into the juju. Space, Time, Light, and Breath.
So, John becomes the Heir of Space, Time, Light, and Breath^2.
Or, Atleast symbolically he does.
The Heir of Breath is the perfect storm, just as the Lord of Time and Muse of Space are.
There are other perfect storms, of course. Thief of Light and Maid of Life come to mind-
-Oh wait they are ALSO terrifyingly powerful characters in Homestuck-
You get my point.
OD, I absolutely love your videos, and hope to see more in the future, they are endlessly entertaining and thought provoking, as are the reads you have on Medium! Hope my short essay made Atleast someone think. ^^'
Heirs are kind of like sequence breakers, Both John and Equius get to their friends’ planets fairly quickly. Btw I’m also an Heir of Space so I definitely agree with the fact that an Heir of Space would in my words “not give a fuck about the world around them”
If that's true what would be the perfect storms for the other aspects?
For this analysis of the character John will you strictly focus on the text of Homestuck? Or will you branch out to examine things his character in Pesterquest, The Epilogues, or will you comment on the Canonicity of June Egbert?
shoutouts for that gamefacks pronunciation
Hey, since you're a writer and director for Homestuck 2, I have a purely hypothetical question I want to ask: If HA (Harry Anderson Egbert), Vrissy (Vriska Maryam-Lalonde) and Tavvy (Tavros Crocker) were to have classpects, what will it be? I personally think that Vrissy would be a Light-Bound like her Ancestors, and Tavvy would be a Hope-Bound of Rage-Bound.
god, i love these SO much, these vids are so entertaining i could just binge them for hours
Thank you for shedding light on this page of our story ;3
4:05 "Down the stairs into the unknown."
Son of a bitch.
PLEASE DO EQUIUS NEXT OHFM
Anxiety wants to know your location
This video and homestuck are very similar. Why you may ask. Well it’s because I only under stood half of it
When I want something explained to me so I can understand it better, I want to be able to understand it.
Yes, yes I will stay tooned for next time, I love this content, please, take your time to make it good!!
I DID IT I CAUGHT UP.
i started watching your videos at the end of February and i'm here in the now.
now what?
love it!
Why are there comments from a month ago??
Probably patreon veiws
Makes you wonder what hidden glories are shown to their eyes before our poor eyes.
Timey Wimey shit
John is a twunk
Perhaps I have misjudged you.
What song in the background?
I can tell you that one of them is Do you remem8er me
Wait what Retcon abilities I’m not that far yet what the fuck is this
Wait, shit. What's that first song?
It jogn
What’s was the game/thing shone at 3:37
A quick reverse image search yielded the game "Sayonara Wild Hearts"
Real sick of every one shitting in bro..
what is 3:49?
The tarot stuff? Tarot is a type of divination which uses a deck of cards to answer a question.
@@rosen_venus i meant what the video was from. sorry.
Beware, this is now Word Of God©.
The way I see it, John's self insert nature means that he can be of any gender. Cis male, trans woman, non binary, genderfluid...
Though most including myself see him as male, no one version of the Egbert should be more canon than any other. Given his ties to the Breath aspect, it would only be fitting. All can coexist in the different realities and be chill with one another's existence, each choosing what to identify as for themselves.
Love John so much. Having him be dead makes me sad.
Because he's fictional, you can actually imagine that he's anything you want and it doesn't really change anything that matters to anyone :)
He's drawn and written explicitly as a heterosexual cis-male, though; partially because the hero's journey is an archetypally male path, partially because Hussie wanted to write him that way.
He is kind of, ironically, metaphorically, a self-insert character. He is still very much a real character with traits and individuality.
The MSPA reader, on the other hand, is actually an in-universe self-insert character. Which is why they have no defining traits at all (even a name!), so we can imagine anything we want.
ah, i wish all Homestuck fans had this refreshing and inclusive view of Egbert
John really is the most relatable character in HS and he deserved better :'(
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