Thanks Eric! Just try not to get hung up or overwhelmed with this stuff...Keep things simple and you'll be much happier. Thanks for watching my friend!
Awesome video and all the points that you have made are all factors that I have found very useful. I do have a question on what is the tape that you are running on the turrets of your Gen III Vortex?
I find the best loads are those where the case is 95% full of powder and can get you to the slowest allowable speed where the projectile is still above transonic at the furthest distance you will shoot. I run a 6.5x47 at 2775fps with a 140 ELD-M, SDs in the 5s for large strings, 3s for 5 shot strings - groups at .1 to .2 MOA mean radius which means I’m shooting 0s-.375 MOA when shooting for groups. Recoils a lot less than my old 6.5 creedmoor and it’s much easier to see the trace.
Hi SF! Yeah, I think a lot of people are slowing down to see trace now. And your transonic logic makes sense. Thanks for watching another one my friend!
I been using a 6mmGT since fall of 2019. 109's at 2790-2840 depending on the characteristics and length of each barrel... which i'll add, have lasted to 3k+ rounds fired on the first two, second two are into 2k and will be retired from match use once they hit 3k. I kind of fell into running slow a couple years before going to the GT. I'd been running a gas gun and found that once I showed the cartridge down the system was much more trouble free and it also grouped more consistent. So I carried that lesson over to my bolt rifle. It would be very interesting if someone with a recoil graphing system would test just how much more a rifle recoils with heavy charge vs one that's about a grain and a half to two grains on our 6mm's. I want to say I can feel a difference going from my current 2830 to 2900fps when I was testing different powders in my rifle but it would be interesting to prove it versus think it. Maybe if a few of us hit @Gavintoobe up he might take up the challenge.
Good points to consider. It is perhaps fitting that Caldwell and Labrador presented new devices at the Shot Show 2024. A direct at the range comparison between the Garmin Xero, Labrador LX and Caldwell Velociradar would be a good contribution to the community
Hi Markus! Yeah, I'm gonna try to get my hands on the other two, but honestly, I think most have purchased the Garmin, so the other two are kind of behind the 8 ball here...We'll see. Thanks for watching my friend!
Hi Tony, The rumor has it that Labrador was already in development of the LX and the process was accelerated due to competition from Garmin. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see if the LX has any advantages as it was claimed in a forum that the sensor operates in the 60 GHz range. I myself have bought a Zero and am satisfied as it is easy to use without much alignment.
Two tenths is really a lot on a wind call (TYL racks, 1 MOA targets, etc). Could probably get a higher BC bullet like the 110 or 115, and shoot the same 2750 velocity and get the wind back if you like a slower bullet.
Look at it from this angle. Consistency is the key to any shooting discipline. Picking Velocity should be discipline specific in order to keep that consistency. For example, in a high volume discipline such as PRS where a person can shoot 250 rounds in a weekend, slower nod velocities work out better to stay consistent and that trumps slight advantage in performance from higher velocities. On the other hand, in low volume disciplines, you can get away with higher velocity nods and over bore cartridges and still stay consistent.
Hi Slate! Good point and I totally agree. Something interesting I saw on Facebook this weekend was a bench rest shooter showing images of groups for a specific powder he was testing out...His velocities were in the 1600's and I was a bit shocked at that. I asked him about it and he said that BR shooters aren't worried about velocity, they're more worried about ES's and groups, which fits with your observation.
Great info, I wish I would have understood this earlier. Seeing your impacts and adjusting is a crucial skill to being a good prs shooter.
VERY Helpful..I"m new to the sport of PRS and can really uses these conversation of considerations. Thank you!
Thanks Eric! Just try not to get hung up or overwhelmed with this stuff...Keep things simple and you'll be much happier. Thanks for watching my friend!
Will Do!! 👍🏾👍🏾
Great video. Thanks!
Thanks Ewolf and thanks for watching another one my friend!
Awesome video and all the points that you have made are all factors that I have found very useful. I do have a question on what is the tape that you are running on the turrets of your Gen III Vortex?
Thanks Malcolm! The tape is from idts-dryfire.com/product/ballistic-tape/ and is awesome to install and use. Thanks for watching my friend!
I find the best loads are those where the case is 95% full of powder and can get you to the slowest allowable speed where the projectile is still above transonic at the furthest distance you will shoot. I run a 6.5x47 at 2775fps with a 140 ELD-M, SDs in the 5s for large strings, 3s for 5 shot strings - groups at .1 to .2 MOA mean radius which means I’m shooting 0s-.375 MOA when shooting for groups. Recoils a lot less than my old 6.5 creedmoor and it’s much easier to see the trace.
Hi SF! Yeah, I think a lot of people are slowing down to see trace now. And your transonic logic makes sense. Thanks for watching another one my friend!
Thank you for the great no BS content as always!
I been using a 6mmGT since fall of 2019. 109's at 2790-2840 depending on the characteristics and length of each barrel... which i'll add, have lasted to 3k+ rounds fired on the first two, second two are into 2k and will be retired from match use once they hit 3k.
I kind of fell into running slow a couple years before going to the GT. I'd been running a gas gun and found that once I showed the cartridge down the system was much more trouble free and it also grouped more consistent. So I carried that lesson over to my bolt rifle.
It would be very interesting if someone with a recoil graphing system would test just how much more a rifle recoils with heavy charge vs one that's about a grain and a half to two grains on our 6mm's. I want to say I can feel a difference going from my current 2830 to 2900fps when I was testing different powders in my rifle but it would be interesting to prove it versus think it. Maybe if a few of us hit @Gavintoobe up he might take up the challenge.
Hi Niles! I may see if I can find someone with the equipment or just rig something up. Thanks for the input and for watching my friend!
Good points to consider. It is perhaps fitting that Caldwell and Labrador presented new devices at the Shot Show 2024. A direct at the range comparison between the Garmin Xero, Labrador LX and Caldwell Velociradar would be a good contribution to the community
Hi Markus! Yeah, I'm gonna try to get my hands on the other two, but honestly, I think most have purchased the Garmin, so the other two are kind of behind the 8 ball here...We'll see. Thanks for watching my friend!
Hi Tony, The rumor has it that Labrador was already in development of the LX and the process was accelerated due to competition from Garmin. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see if the LX has any advantages as it was claimed in a forum that the sensor operates in the 60 GHz range. I myself have bought a Zero and am satisfied as it is easy to use without much alignment.
Two tenths is really a lot on a wind call (TYL racks, 1 MOA targets, etc). Could probably get a higher BC bullet like the 110 or 115, and shoot the same 2750 velocity and get the wind back if you like a slower bullet.
Great point LongRange! I should have touched on the BC variable in the equation. Thanks for watching another one my friend!
Look at it from this angle. Consistency is the key to any shooting discipline. Picking Velocity should be discipline specific in order to keep that consistency. For example, in a high volume discipline such as PRS where a person can shoot 250 rounds in a weekend, slower nod velocities work out better to stay consistent and that trumps slight advantage in performance from higher velocities. On the other hand, in low volume disciplines, you can get away with higher velocity nods and over bore cartridges and still stay consistent.
Hi Slate! Good point and I totally agree. Something interesting I saw on Facebook this weekend was a bench rest shooter showing images of groups for a specific powder he was testing out...His velocities were in the 1600's and I was a bit shocked at that. I asked him about it and he said that BR shooters aren't worried about velocity, they're more worried about ES's and groups, which fits with your observation.