I loved the time we had together Mark. This was a great moment where I saw you getting so excited about something you'd never seen before, yet wanted to do so badly. We need to hang out more often :)
Great collab and insights...!! The single hand one where the dutchman points out at 2:14 is termed as "Thol Suttru" by karlakattai practioners in South of India. Thol in tamil means Shoulder. To perfectly master this swing it requires expert guidnace and lot of self pracise.
Never watched anything by Mark before this and it was fun to see him opening up and getting excited after doing and seeing the moves, his learning is great too.
It looks like a heavy sledgehammer movement. It’s just “sticking” to the shoulder. It’s the transitions and “floating” over the shoulder that makes it sooooo cool! Thanks for sharing.
I'm a plumber and I actually started doing mace training with a heavy 36" pipe wrench as part of my daily pre work warm up a couple years ago. Those wrenches are way heavier then they look (24lb) lol. Cool to see you using one!
I got this by choking up on a 2.5 pound wooden mace handle with 4.5 pounds of plates. I did tap my pate enough to notice but not to hurt. I think lighter weight on a less hardened handle is a good way to start learning this move. It felt better once I got it off of my shoulder. My neural circuits felt a little scrambled when I put it onto the other side. I'll try one side per day for a few days and hopefully then proceed from there.
Another great collaboration! I've seen this done on Indian channels, but not speaking Hindi (Urdu?) it was hard to figure out what is going on. Thanks Flowing Dutchman for breaking this down!
Hindi and Urdu are mutually intelligible and share a lot of vocabulary with hindi having more sanskrit inspired vocab and urdu having arabic and persian roots. The primary difference is that urdu is written in a script from right to left(like arabic) and hindi is written left to right in a script called devanagiri which is also used for sanskrit.
Have you ever worked with David weck and his rotational movement training systems like rope flow, coiling core training, and bilateral torsion training? Might also elevate your programming by tying you into these additional patterns and possibilities for movement
My buddy “order and progress” discusses wreck with me often. I like the rope flow. I gotta run the program. We do coiling in everything. We just do it in a different training pattern. I like math, and spreadsheets so that’s how I organize it. Simple to complex. Light to heavy. It’s the same idea
What an exceptional training video! Have loved training with both of you guys in person, and this really demonstrates your talent and humility Mark, open to sharing your platform and continuing to learn new techniques from others when also such a force. Superb! Did Harbert say Nasik? That’s where I did my yoga teacher training! 😃 Nxx
Exactly. You see the concentration. His body wants to do the shield cast catch but you see his eyes internally focused on the new movement. Always say watch the eyes, are they focused on the external or are they looking onwards controlling the body
The odd couple in a way that's very cool. The Dutchman's style kind of artistic and beautiful. Mark's style very practical and a little more rigid style. Both great stuff.
I think Mark needs to visit India to train with the Indian wrestlers. 50 kilos, 110lbs. Do they have maces that heavy here? So is that Los Angeles in the background?
You can view in your tube in India we have a competition where I have seen a guy more than 45 years of age moving 40 kg gada with single hand 15 time , and some youngsters 60 kg gada to 25 times 🙏
Quite a bit of this motion is in many types of Arnis/Eskrima (stick/sword) martial arts. I have been told that the founder of my style used a heavy pipe to train with.
I use medium weight galvanized pipe to practice some of the Kali I learned, makes the ratan sticks feel like feathers. I think you need to be careful going too heavy because you will start practicing bad form.
the mace head stays in the plane behind your head when your hands make a rowing motion. if your hands come to your belly button and stop, the mace will want to come to the frontal plane.
Hello Mark from Tim in Japan! I have a thought as well as question. The people in India who swing a heavy mace or club, I wonder how much spinal injury or lack of back injury do they have in India in comparison to people who live in the United States or west? Your videos really make me think and having the Flying Dutchman is a GREAT cross-cultural discussion in relation to sports. BIG UP Yaself!
Теоретически Хунаман смог бы махнуть булавой 120 кг,если считать что Хунаман это снежный человек, гигантопитек,получеловек полуобезьяна,они обладали большой силой,раса ванары,описывается что деревья вырывали
The Duck Duck Go Translator yielded this: Theoretically, Hunaman would have been able to swing a mace of 120 kg, if we consider that Hunaman is a Bigfoot, Gigantopithecus, half-man, half-ape, they had great strength, the Vanara race, it is described that the trees were uprooted. Спасибо!
Yeah, what muscles does it train?? Dude, can’t you see it’s efficient biomechanics under scalable load, utilizing pushing and pulling, adaptive grip strength, internal and external shoulder rotation, thoraccic spine rotation, spine flexion and antiflexion, balancing, kinesthetic contact with the ground, shoulder mobility and stability, cross-body stabilization, coordination between left and right hemispheres, cardiovascular capacity, strength endurance, mental flow, coordination of breath and abdominal bracing with movement, training of heart, lungs, fascia, muscles and nervous system all at the same time… with beauty of motion. Like, seriously.
I am barely getting started with a home made adjustable mace and clubs with very light weight, doing very basic movements. I can say that it does a lot of good to the upper back / thoracic spine as well as the shoulder girdle. I was walking upright better and upper body movements improved after mace and club swings. Really enjoy it as accessory to BB lifts, calisthenics, swimming.
I loved the time we had together Mark. This was a great moment where I saw you getting so excited about something you'd never seen before, yet wanted to do so badly. We need to hang out more often :)
Both of these men are a true treasure. Thank you for making these videos.
Great to see an expert still had things to learn, fantastic
Great collab and insights...!!
The single hand one where the dutchman points out at 2:14 is termed as "Thol Suttru" by karlakattai practioners in South of India. Thol in tamil means Shoulder. To perfectly master this swing it requires expert guidnace and lot of self pracise.
This was fun to walk thru with you guys. 2 mace gurus on one video is pretty epic.
Love these two together
For me it's become Wildman video-Like-Watch rather than watch and think about liking...
One sign of the truly great is humility. Nice to see how open you are to different philosophies Mark!
Thank you Flowing Dutchman!
Fantastic sharing of knowledge
I am pulling out my light mace now to try this LOL. Awesome video!
i have only one with 20 , so i have to do it with technic, hope so
Yep. Dropped my adex down to 8lbs & started moving thru the motions with them.
It's fascinating listening to these two exchange ideas and techniques. More vids with the Mark & The Flowing Dutchman!
This collaboration has been really great. Fantastic content.
Never watched anything by Mark before this and it was fun to see him opening up and getting excited after doing and seeing the moves, his learning is great too.
It looks like a heavy sledgehammer movement. It’s just “sticking” to the shoulder. It’s the transitions and “floating” over the shoulder that makes it sooooo cool! Thanks for sharing.
I sort of envisioned Mark tent-pegging annoying droids into dust.
Nice Arnold/Carl Weathers moment at the end there
Two of my favorite channels together! Well done!
I'm a plumber and I actually started doing mace training with a heavy 36" pipe wrench as part of my daily pre work warm up a couple years ago. Those wrenches are way heavier then they look (24lb) lol. Cool to see you using one!
I originally started with sledgehammers for years before I even knew what heavy clubs and maces were. Use what you got
FD's macebell is truly beautiful and a masterpiece of craftsmanship
I think it’s marks mace , seen him discuss it in other vids. It’s a stunning mace for sure
@The Flowing Dutchman. God bless you. Thanks for sharing!
@Mark Wildman. God bless you. I love you.
Absolutely love this collaboration!
Love to both of you. Excellent video
Thank you both for sharing your knowledge!
I got this by choking up on a 2.5 pound wooden mace handle with 4.5 pounds of plates. I did tap my pate enough to notice but not to hurt. I think lighter weight on a less hardened handle is a good way to start learning this move. It felt better once I got it off of my shoulder. My neural circuits felt a little scrambled when I put it onto the other side. I'll try one side per day for a few days and hopefully then proceed from there.
nice work together thx, alot to learn
Great to see both you guys in one video !
Another great collaboration! I've seen this done on Indian channels, but not speaking Hindi (Urdu?) it was hard to figure out what is going on. Thanks Flowing Dutchman for breaking this down!
Hindi and Urdu are mutually intelligible and share a lot of vocabulary with hindi having more sanskrit inspired vocab and urdu having arabic and persian roots. The primary difference is that urdu is written in a script from right to left(like arabic) and hindi is written left to right in a script called devanagiri which is also used for sanskrit.
He has a video "How to swing a gada ft. Pratyay Singh" , goes into it some more
Very cool. Love these collaborations.
Rad
I'm adding this to my training
Thank you both 🙏🏼
This was an awesome collaboration! Really cool. Repeat please!
It looks like a sledge-hammer or axe swing without the strike.
I was just coming to make this same comment.
This is why we don’t need knurling on the upper part of mace handles. Manufacturers, take note…
That's a great point about the knurling, especially for moves like this where the upper handle rests and drags on the shoulder.
Deep tissue massage during workout: it's a win-win!
I love my greatlakes heavy maces but man the knurking is rough when you try these moves.
Have you ever worked with David weck and his rotational movement training systems like rope flow, coiling core training, and bilateral torsion training? Might also elevate your programming by tying you into these additional patterns and possibilities for movement
My buddy “order and progress” discusses wreck with me often. I like the rope flow. I gotta run the program. We do coiling in everything. We just do it in a different training pattern. I like math, and spreadsheets so that’s how I organize it. Simple to complex. Light to heavy. It’s the same idea
@@MarkWildman awesome!
This is cool. Great to see these guys collaborate.
I do a version of this choke swing, but with right hand high, I'll keep me left arm relatively straight (habit from golfing), and I don't get choked.
That was quite the "monkey wrench" Mark was swinging at the start of this one. Great content as always.
Way cool, I enjoyed watching that.
love both your guys content
What an exceptional training video! Have loved training with both of you guys in person, and this really demonstrates your talent and humility Mark, open to sharing your platform and continuing to learn new techniques from others when also such a force. Superb! Did Harbert say Nasik? That’s where I did my yoga teacher training! 😃 Nxx
nice video! thanks! The maces are beautiful too. Where to get them? Thanks
Good stuff. Fun to watch (and learn).
It's fun to see Mark struggle against his muscle memory to straighten his arms and keep the globe back. He really wants to return to order position.
Exactly. You see the concentration. His body wants to do the shield cast catch but you see his eyes internally focused on the new movement. Always say watch the eyes, are they focused on the external or are they looking onwards controlling the body
The odd couple in a way that's very cool. The Dutchman's style kind of artistic and beautiful. Mark's style very practical and a little more rigid style. Both great stuff.
Picked this up pretty quickly. 💪🏻
I think Mark needs to visit India to train with the Indian wrestlers.
50 kilos, 110lbs. Do they have maces that heavy here?
So is that Los Angeles in the background?
You can view in your tube in India we have a competition where I have seen a guy more than 45 years of age moving 40 kg gada with single hand 15 time , and some youngsters 60 kg gada to 25 times 🙏
"Choke swing" EPIC!!!!!
Quite a bit of this motion is in many types of Arnis/Eskrima (stick/sword) martial arts. I have been told that the founder of my style used a heavy pipe to train with.
I use medium weight galvanized pipe to practice some of the Kali I learned, makes the ratan sticks feel like feathers. I think you need to be careful going too heavy because you will start practicing bad form.
@@farstrider79 Yeah, I have done that as well. Maybe not enough weight though.
Morning coffee,with this two. Great!
Another plus: you’re always armed while training. (Would you mug a man swinging a steel club in the park?) Ha.
I really enjoyed watching this 😊
1:45 bearing gifts swing
Pure awesomeness !
Great video❤
This is great!
legends
When I did Kung Fu there was a similar shoulder drag in a lot of dao movements. Fascinating.
That one I know
the mace head stays in the plane behind your head when your hands make a rowing motion.
if your hands come to your belly button and stop, the mace will want to come to the frontal plane.
Seeing them together is like having Marvel movie, when Cap meets Iron Man..
The Santa Claus with a sack bearing gift swing
Hello Mark from Tim in Japan! I have a thought as well as question. The people in India who swing a heavy mace or club, I wonder how much spinal injury or lack of back injury do they have in India in comparison to people who live in the United States or west?
Your videos really make me think and having the Flying Dutchman is a GREAT cross-cultural discussion in relation to sports.
BIG UP Yaself!
Mark what do you feel is benefit that over rides risk of this vs doing 360s and 10-2's?
0:32 That looks so badass
looks very much like a judo throw
Basically what the old school indian wrestlers used this to train for.
Indeed, looks a bit like seoi-otoshi
How do you warm up before training with the mace ?...
Lighter mace. Core activation. Simple movements
Where can I get a mace like that? I know it doesn’t help the exercise but it is damn cool looking
Badland outfitters.
Ok, where can I get one of those cool maces?
Badland outfitter
@@MarkWildman I hope they restock soon!
Karlakattai ( gada )...6000 years old tradition in India ( Tamil Nadu)...our ancestors are monsters 👹
Still waiting on the neck exercise video 😭
I thought this was the neck video. ua-cam.com/video/9enAikPH_k8/v-deo.htmlsi=99vMPhFwqTmnebo_
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Теоретически Хунаман смог бы махнуть булавой 120 кг,если считать что Хунаман это снежный человек, гигантопитек,получеловек полуобезьяна,они обладали большой силой,раса ванары,описывается что деревья вырывали
The Duck Duck Go Translator yielded this:
Theoretically, Hunaman would have been able to swing a mace of 120 kg, if we consider that Hunaman is a Bigfoot, Gigantopithecus, half-man, half-ape, they had great strength, the Vanara race, it is described that the trees were uprooted.
Спасибо!
Lord Hanuman was greatest devotee of God.
I'm all about simplicity training tools but this and other swings just look so overwhelming to learn. Maybe thats just me...
What does this actually do
Yeah, what muscles does it train?? Dude, can’t you see it’s efficient biomechanics under scalable load, utilizing pushing and pulling, adaptive grip strength, internal and external shoulder rotation, thoraccic spine rotation, spine flexion and antiflexion, balancing, kinesthetic contact with the ground, shoulder mobility and stability, cross-body stabilization, coordination between left and right hemispheres, cardiovascular capacity, strength endurance, mental flow, coordination of breath and abdominal bracing with movement, training of heart, lungs, fascia, muscles and nervous system all at the same time… with beauty of motion. Like, seriously.
Nah, it's just phun. Just kidding.
I am barely getting started with a home made adjustable mace and clubs with very light weight, doing very basic movements. I can say that it does a lot of good to the upper back / thoracic spine as well as the shoulder girdle. I was walking upright better and upper body movements improved after mace and club swings. Really enjoy it as accessory to BB lifts, calisthenics, swimming.
It's a two-hand regression for an esoteric one-armed gada mill from the subcontinent.