It really is... I must say, though, hearing him praise his own process so passionately makes me wonder how much is genuine and how much is "I want the people that rejected me to know how good this was" Like, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Joe was making an excellent job, but the fact that he doesn't mention stuff that was challenging for him, or even small disagreements in the process, makes me think he's deliberately focusing on the specific parts that help him send his message
And I am HAPPY as can be it did not happen. The man thinks his vision should be told. Fuck that. We need a Peter Jackson, someone that loves it and is humble enough to know "His vision" is not better. We do NOT need another "Rings of Power" Fiasco where a great thing is turned into a bastardization by egomaniacs that think they can write better.
I might just look for how to do this and actually get it heard. We are talking hundreds of millions of dollars for them to do it right... but, imagine what this would do for the brand? I think Game of Thrones is vastly overrated (the books and show), but this could be so much bigger. More books, bigger universe, tabletop game, VTT... BG3 exploded interest into 5e... this show would drive it to the point of being a universally popular thing (not just gamers or tabletop gamers).
At this point I'd want that petition to say that either the corporate leadership of Wizards all be replaced or that they lose DnD in its entirety. They've repeatedly proven that they have no idea what they're doing and can't be trusted with it.
It wont. Deadpool got pushed by fans because of the dedication to actually create an accurate Deadpool. Joe has stated openly that he intended to write his vision of Dragonlance and openly talked about the parts of it that could be filled in and fleshed out. That is not what most of us want, we want as close to the novels as possible and not some fans take on it.
@@thomasjones4570 Reading a book is not as entertaining when done as a movie or series that is too true to the book. Writers often can go on "side quest" tangents that are meaningless to the story or could have been explored via another way that would have saved fifty pages. Have you ever read David Eddings?
@@trappedkitty5335did you actually try to tell someone that books are not as entertaining as a film and actually think you would not come off a fool? This is a 40 year old BOOK series with a guy that "loves" them so much he wants to bring them to film after all these years. No movie or show has ever inspired someone to write a book about them 40 years later.
Fuck man, hearing Joe's take on Dragonlance is really making me sad that the project was dropped. He has a fresh, and intriguing take on the lore and world of Krynn.
Joe has been the real world recipient of the Disks of Mishakal. I hope he can inspire the right producers for DragonLance. I'm excited to see what happens. Keep on going, Joe.
Wizards could make so much money on this, if they green-lit it. They're insane not to. The last D&D movie was amazing. I'd love to see Dragonlance movies and TV shows of similar qualities... Was sad when the DVD was so terrible of the previous animated movie. The CGI was complete garbage and the movie was pretty bad. I really want a proper adaptation... So wantto see this passion project get off the ground. Just like I'd love to see Guillemo Del Toro's "At The Mountains of Madness" H.P.L. passion project made, some day, too...
As a new fan of Dragonlance (through about 14 books), I wanted this so bad. Joe really inspired me to read them. I wanted to see this show by Joe so bad, I wish there was more I could do help make this happen
It's really a great series... I've read about 2/3 of the books to date. Maybe 3/4. Stopped after college, so never really got in on the post-Chaos War stuff, other than the Dhamon Grimwulf saga. I so want this series made. Read it all though middle & high school... 100% cut my teeth on it and will always love it...
37:04 regarding The Witcher. I was the project lead at that time and we NEVER planned to go D&D :) We only used the Aurora engine licensed from BioWare that was built around AD&D ruleset.
Joe Mangiello I share your awesome passion for Dragonlance! Thank you for all your efforts. Please don't stop trying, I like the idea of pursuing purchasing the Dragonlance license. Since Hasbro isn't inclined to use it, they must not value it very highly. That's the best chance to get something done going forward with live action
Joe’s enthusiasm is really infectious. I haven’t been thinking about seeing Krynn in a show or movie, but I REALLY want to now, especially with someone so incredibly passionate about the material. Good luck to Joe on getting this project off the ground, as it ought to be.
Great interview and thank you for releasing the full version. When Joe tells it like it is regarding those "loud voices" and the "non comic book reading" writing he is speaking for many of us that feel the same way.
I am bummed this has not taken off Joe! I have been a Dragonlance lover for 30+ years. Wizards is DUMB for not utilizing this very rich and awesome setting. What can we do?
Give us the fans, Joe's take on Dragonlance, been a fan since I was a young child, I too am in my 40s and these books, the characters, the stories, the adventures, the world of Krynn, please make this happen!
i love Joe's passion and commitment to d&d and especially Dragonlance. As a boy i read the novels as they were released and they will stay with me forever (both mentally and physically as i covert my Dragonlance books and still have them in great condition) i also do agree with some comments and have a slight concern that Joe maybe might try and present his own interpretation of the books, but he is only human, come on, who would not want to see their own iteration of Dragonlance on the screen? i would love it, but i am acutely aware that not many (if anyone) else would. The safe bet is to remain loyal to the books, try not to bring your own spin on it, we all fell in love with Dragonlance and it fueled our imagination for what it was, not what it could be. We need Henry Cavil vibes, he is working on Warhammer 40k, and has outright stated from the start he will be loyal to the lore, the books, and most importantly, us, the fans.
As a lifelong Dragonlance fan, this is absolutely soul crushing to hear. Joe, my man, you are a hero of mine, and I hope you get to realize your vision, because it sounds amazing. I feel your pain, because it is mine, and all the fans pain as well. We are with you! Let us know what we can do to help! EDIT: After hearing you just say it, VERMINAARD WOULD BE PERFECT FOR YOU. In the armor, the dragonhelm, the Mace... DUDE. PLEASE.
I love Joe's intoxicating obsession with his own script. One has to fully believe in oneself in order to achieve great things. I have no doubts that his script will eventually break through the corporate barriers!
I hope this gets made it sounds amazing, I remember reading so many Dragonlance novels , Villains Series, Legend of Huma, Kaz the Minataur, etc. Those stories need to see the light of day. We are with you Mr. Manganiello :)
Why would they have consulted Joe for Shadow of the Dragon Queen? He hasn’t published anything (novel or adventure module), and he hasn’t been involved in any significant world building or lore projects that have made it to completion. Joe may have been a great consultant, but it takes more than being a super fan to qualify.
@duhg599 because they don't consult fans anymore. Maybe they should then we might have better modules. (Shutter) like the spelljammer module. It just seems to me they've lost connection with the fan base. (Wizards of the coast.)
Excellent conversation!! All us lifelong Dragonlance fans truly appreciate and admire Joe's love for the series... (And I'm currently obsessed with BG3, too, so it was fun to hear him talk about his play-through a bit as well!) :)
Joe, I hope you can take this passion and guide it towards another loved D&D story. Most D&D fans would LOVE to see Drizzt come to life. Perhaps something in the FR could created. A Ravenloft movie? There is so much history that can be brought to life thru a series or movies.
Joe is a treasure for d&d moving forward. Hasbro does not know or understand what they have the rights to. Dragonlance is the next best thing after lord of the rings.
I've never read Dragonlance, but hearing him talk about it with such excitement and passion even after he was shut down (for now) on doing a show, makes me want to pick up the books and start reading!
Joe has the same kind of passion for dragonlance that made Sven has for dnd and that made BG3 a great success. How insane is it to have this talent this ready to go, right when DnD has BG3 for momentum, with the original creatives backing, but the show isn’t happening. Insane. This could have been The Last Airbender level stuff.
Before I had ever heard of D&D in middle school, a friend let me borrow his copy of Tales Volume 2: Kender, Gully Dwarves, and Gnomes. That book led me to take my allowance to Waldenbooks and buy Tales of Autumn Twilight. I loved Dragonlance ever since and Joe's passion for that series and that project makes me so hopeful that he will get his vision fulfilled some day.
I have loved the dragonlance chronicles and twins series of books since. I've read all of Margaret and Tracy's work and many of the other books. I've been DMing dragonlance ever since. Based on Joe's words over the years I could tell he understands the books in the same way. When I heard this it's the only series I'd ever actually wanted to be developed because of that. I'd heard the sad news before but hearing more about the series really hammered home the loss. Hopefully wizards finally sells DnD or this temporary insanity eventually fades. I feel so sorry for Joe and the rest of us dragonlance lovers who are so underrepresented in modern DnD.
I was pretty shattered when I heard this news. I read the Chronicles (first 3 books) when I was in middle school. DM'd several of the Dragonlance modules with friends. I knew/know that this will be a fantastic series, lead by someone so passionate about it.
Totally loved Dragonlance. I read it in my teens. I remember getting one of the books from Legends, telling my parents I was sick, to stay home from school, and reading the entire book in a day. Raistlin was my favourite character, but Tasslehoff and Flint were probably my next favourites. I love the world of Faerun more, but Krynn was such a well written world, that had me reading for a about the first 20 or so books.
Joe has been an amazing ambassador for D&D. Dragon Lance were the first series of D&D novels I read and fell in love with. I hope he can get this off the ground.
the twin souls/elvis stuff also reminds me of maki and mai from jjk - in the womb there being two souls 'split' the overall energy between the twins and what led them in life to appear limited or weak. It takes one twin to leave, so that the other can absorb their combined energy to unlock a full potential and be one of the strongest in the respective verse. Souls linked together but also how it affects the power of the flesh
Dragonlance was my 1st module on D&D, then I dif alucinate with the books. I was so excited because of Joe’s proyect until I heard it was cancelled. I really hate some people right now, but I hope he can make it.
I've known Tracy and Laura for well over a decade at this point and we've had many discussions on Raven Loft it's origins and inspirations and a bit on Dragonlance as well. They are true gems.
I love Joe's passion, it's really a shame someone like me isn't in charge of D&D otherwise things would be going in a good direction for new fans and long term fans. Oh well, I'll keep plugging away at my own game
I’m not even a fan of Dragonlance, but his passion is so….. beautiful. I want to just give him money to do it. I definitely don’t think that this will be the end. I think somebody somewhere will give him the shot!
I have been building this DnD style game and world in my head for the past 2-3 years and listening to Joe talk about his passion projects makes me think I really should write it down.
Excellent interview! Was very curious where Joe was headed with the script... and this gave a lot of insight into it. Hopefully, it will come around again one day!
i read like 50 of the novels when i was a kid and it has always been my favorite dnd setting. such a rich IP and it's being squandered by the typical corporate machine that is clueless. i hope his vision comes to fruition eventually.
Wotc execs turning down what fans might want because they don't know what they're talking about? Shocker. Dragonlance got me into fantasy when i was a kid. I'd support any cloud funding to try and get this pushed. It's truly a shame that they killed a project supported by such passion. Kills me.
Dragonlance was my first ever fantasy fiction book/series back in middle school and got me hooked on the genre from the very start. It's an incredible story with some incredible lines, scenarios, and an excellent blend of the serious right alongside the comical. A television adaptation would be amazing, especially if made by a true fan... such a shame that it got dropped. 😞
Total bummer to have Joe's Dragonlance project get dropped. Uggg.... This is the movie/series that should have been made. They have a huge instant market.. what a kick in the stones.
I don't know anything about dragonlance but his passion made me order the first few books. That's a man who loves and cares about what he was about to work on. Refreshing
I still to this day have almost the entire Dragonlance novels. I loved that series as much as D&D. I would buy the Dragonlance series if they ever make one. Also Love Joes passion
Well stated Joe. As for the War host issues. Amateurs talk tactics, Professionals discuss logistics.And if I may be so bold, as far as weapon props Weta would be a fantastic choice.
You had me at "Campbellian". There's something interesting about Joe, Henry Cavill and Sam Witwer - they're all these badass actors that are super passionate (like hyper-nerds) about their projects. They should seriously form some sort of super-group entertainment company where they just take over all these franchises. The 3 wisemen of fantasy that could also definitely take you out.
Joe, you have captured the very essence of Dragonlance so perfectly in this interview. The plan for the series sounds epic and legendary and deserves to be produced! You are a true Champion of Krynn!
I don't see Dragonlance as D&D as such, they change some of the core concepts, but this is definitely the series fans deserve. We've never had a D&D movie which isn't being played for laughs. I really wish him well, it sounds like he really understands the source material, it seems crazy this isn't being picked up.
OG Dragonlance books are to this day some of the best fantasy/D&D based books ever written and Joe M is a legend who has lived and breathed the books since he first read them. It would be rude not to let him adapt these books into a series and I think if the community got together and continously harrassed the powers that be, we can make it eventually happy sooner preferrably than later. Don't give up on this!
Funny, I stumbled upon this interview just after listening to the album "Immortal" by Pyramaze. It's a concept album insoired by and based onDragonlance. It really captures the vibe and I always wanted someone to use it for something more in the future
Really hope you get to make it Joe. Love to see what you can do with the great books. Do hope you stay true to the law. For example make dragons, dragons. Not wyverns. Could give 100 more examples but you get the idea. Think your the guy for the job.
Wow! Growing up in school I strugled as a student and was a terrible reader. One day my best friend handed me Dragons of Autumn Twilight. From then on I consumed books. These books are dear to me. They made me the reader I still am today. I hope this will some day get made
I like Dragonlance back In the days I wish someone wakes up and say let's do it bro you are genius and you are my #1 fan let's hope this year getting some news
"Anything artistic is seen as a commodity" absolutely correct, the unspoken problem nowadays is also, anything artistic is seen as a platform for faulty ideology. If this gets made expect the bait and switch, its just standard at this point.
I would love to see his dragon lance one day, but given current check boxing its probably better it didn't go ahead now, wait till his full vision can happen un altered.
God, it's been SO LONG since I last heard ANYONE mention the name of Mike Mearls. I know there was a huge controversy, like, 2018 iirc, regarding one of 5e's playtesters and Mearls was involved in that whole thing. I don't know if the man even works for WotC anymore. Could anyone try to explain to me what happened on that front in layman's terms? Because I never really understood the whole thing, or I just didn't really read up on that too much.
Well. I really do not know what to say, Jo. You voice out what many of us do not have the chance to do. Just like you I was amazed about the main Dragonlance novels. I today I am wondering how it is possible in 2034 to not have a movie or a series about this world. About the story of 2 amazing characters that are Caramon and Raistlin. We can only cross our fingers that something out there happens. A turn of event that would change the minds of the people. So that you can fulfill your dream and ours for that matter. I think I we can just wish you all the luck for this project. The community wants it. The community needs it. 😊😊
As of right now someone is developing a board game based on DragonStrike; oddly enough TSR released a board game in 93 with the same name. I'd like to develop a DragonLance board game using 2e mechanics set up to provide the core AD&D experience except its Dragonlance; maybe with an attached video like the original. I currently do Audio Sourcebook Dragonlance segments for 2e based on TSR era material. Dragonlance is not Dead. Margaret and Tracy will still be promoting the 3rd DL book under Random House Worlds at Gen Con* , DL fans stop fighting over the dragon orbs..
*Dragonlance* is too powerful, too fantastic to remain shelved forever. Keep hammering at the gates, Joe! They will open and enrich our world eventually!!
Im 55 years old and was sucked into Dragonlance when I was 14 . I received DL1 and Dragons of Autumns Twilight as my Easter gift. I have loved the series since then. I hate what the Greedy owners are doing to it. I would love to see a Movie and series. Biting at the bit for the next season of Vox Machina.
after elminster, dragonlance OG trilogy was my introduction to d&d almost 30 years ago now, hopefully it won't take 30 more to see any good media for it outside of the books. my dream is larian getting the license after bg3 or anyone making a competent live action 😭
My favorite books ever! I was so hyped to hear this was in the making! I cannot wait for this to come into reality as a movie or a tv series like game of thrones. Keep the mission alive don't stop until it happens Joe!
Story like this is made for ANIME , they do that all the time. Live-Action is more expensive and flawed in many ways, people age and you have to rush it. Make a good pilot in an ANIME and if people love it, you get the chance to keep it going.
Not sure the direction of pilot. First novel ? Loved the short character description in the first pages. Helped me as youth get into the book. Having Fizban narrate early in a pointy hat like Gandalf? With old English type actor?
Verminaard needs to be huge, he's the last living descendant of Huma, and that legend needs to feed into just how incongruous Verminaard was. Joe could play him, sure, but there would definitely be better options. On the other hand, Emperor Ariakas would have been really tough to NOT self-cast Joe in as. I hope somehow things change, and somebody eventually gets to play those roles.
Thank you for this interview... and PLEASE let us have Dragonlance! Henry Cavill with Warhammer... Joe with Dragonlance? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 I started on Conan, then went to Dragonlance... and then was hooked on fantasy. Unfortunately, Wheel of Time was destroyed. They're destroying Star Wars. Joe will elevate Dragonlance, the same way Henry will bring Warhammer into mass popularity.
Would you watch an animated Dragonlance Series? Do you think BG3 is what 5e should have been? Lets us know!
Yes.
I'd watch dragonlance in any capacity
YES!
Even that previous animated dragonlance could've been great. Sadly it wasn't.
I'd love to see an Animated Dragon Lance series.
It's sad to see someone as passionate about Dragonlance as Joe Manganiello be denied seeing his vision come through is rough.
Especially when the creators of the setting and writers of the novels all gave it their blessing
Happens to all of us. Joe is a cool dude, he will manage. And he is not dead yet, it can happen yet.
It really is...
I must say, though, hearing him praise his own process so passionately makes me wonder how much is genuine and how much is "I want the people that rejected me to know how good this was"
Like, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Joe was making an excellent job, but the fact that he doesn't mention stuff that was challenging for him, or even small disagreements in the process, makes me think he's deliberately focusing on the specific parts that help him send his message
Wotc makes quite a lot of horrendously bad decisions.
And I am HAPPY as can be it did not happen. The man thinks his vision should be told. Fuck that. We need a Peter Jackson, someone that loves it and is humble enough to know "His vision" is not better. We do NOT need another "Rings of Power" Fiasco where a great thing is turned into a bastardization by egomaniacs that think they can write better.
Where is the petition to sign and rally to raise my pitchfork at to get Joe's Dragonlance show made?
I might just look for how to do this and actually get it heard. We are talking hundreds of millions of dollars for them to do it right... but, imagine what this would do for the brand? I think Game of Thrones is vastly overrated (the books and show), but this could be so much bigger. More books, bigger universe, tabletop game, VTT... BG3 exploded interest into 5e... this show would drive it to the point of being a universally popular thing (not just gamers or tabletop gamers).
At this point I'd want that petition to say that either the corporate leadership of Wizards all be replaced or that they lose DnD in its entirety. They've repeatedly proven that they have no idea what they're doing and can't be trusted with it.
Joe should do a deadpool and “Accidentally” leak test footage. The fan upswell may just carry the project forward
He's definitely pushing hard to get them working on that series, so you never know lol
It wont. Deadpool got pushed by fans because of the dedication to actually create an accurate Deadpool. Joe has stated openly that he intended to write his vision of Dragonlance and openly talked about the parts of it that could be filled in and fleshed out. That is not what most of us want, we want as close to the novels as possible and not some fans take on it.
There is no test footage
@@thomasjones4570 Reading a book is not as entertaining when done as a movie or series that is too true to the book. Writers often can go on "side quest" tangents that are meaningless to the story or could have been explored via another way that would have saved fifty pages. Have you ever read David Eddings?
@@trappedkitty5335did you actually try to tell someone that books are not as entertaining as a film and actually think you would not come off a fool?
This is a 40 year old BOOK series with a guy that "loves" them so much he wants to bring them to film after all these years.
No movie or show has ever inspired someone to write a book about them 40 years later.
Fuck man, hearing Joe's take on Dragonlance is really making me sad that the project was dropped. He has a fresh, and intriguing take on the lore and world of Krynn.
Wait...that's not happening now?! 😢
Plenty of fan fiction out there and that is what Joe was going to give us. his vision of it and not a book to movie/show.
Joe has been the real world recipient of the Disks of Mishakal. I hope he can inspire the right producers for DragonLance. I'm excited to see what happens. Keep on going, Joe.
That's not the problem Hasbro won't release the IP so it's a mute point unless they sell it or release it to someone like Joe.
This is what Passion looks like. It's infectious! Go JOE!
Passion Projects are what is severely lacking in Hollywood. Wizards is crazy for not backing this.
Well. Wizards in lore always seem to grow crazy atop their wizards tower.
Wizards could make so much money on this, if they green-lit it. They're insane not to. The last D&D movie was amazing. I'd love to see Dragonlance movies and TV shows of similar qualities... Was sad when the DVD was so terrible of the previous animated movie. The CGI was complete garbage and the movie was pretty bad. I really want a proper adaptation... So wantto see this passion project get off the ground. Just like I'd love to see Guillemo Del Toro's "At The Mountains of Madness" H.P.L. passion project made, some day, too...
Well the problem is Wizards fully under Hasbro isn't even Wizards any more.
@@Plxlinixy Great point.
As a new fan of Dragonlance (through about 14 books), I wanted this so bad. Joe really inspired me to read them. I wanted to see this show by Joe so bad, I wish there was more I could do help make this happen
It's really a great series... I've read about 2/3 of the books to date. Maybe 3/4. Stopped after college, so never really got in on the post-Chaos War stuff, other than the Dhamon Grimwulf saga. I so want this series made. Read it all though middle & high school... 100% cut my teeth on it and will always love it...
Lord Soth, Knight of the Black Rose...the original Death Knight! Would love to see him come to life on the big screen.
37:04 regarding The Witcher. I was the project lead at that time and we NEVER planned to go D&D :)
We only used the Aurora engine licensed from BioWare that was built around AD&D ruleset.
Joe Mangiello I share your awesome passion for Dragonlance! Thank you for all your efforts. Please don't stop trying, I like the idea of pursuing purchasing the Dragonlance license. Since Hasbro isn't inclined to use it, they must not value it very highly. That's the best chance to get something done going forward with live action
Listening to him gush about DL makes me happy as a fellow fan. Love Joe.
Joe’s enthusiasm is really infectious. I haven’t been thinking about seeing Krynn in a show or movie, but I REALLY want to now, especially with someone so incredibly passionate about the material. Good luck to Joe on getting this project off the ground, as it ought to be.
I wish Joe would stream his DnD sessions. I really wanna see his games.
Great interview and thank you for releasing the full version. When Joe tells it like it is regarding those "loud voices" and the "non comic book reading" writing he is speaking for many of us that feel the same way.
I am bummed this has not taken off Joe! I have been a Dragonlance lover for 30+ years. Wizards is DUMB for not utilizing this very rich and awesome setting. What can we do?
I just got to play a kender for the first time. My group is loving it.
It's a travesty this show is not getting made
Give us the fans, Joe's take on Dragonlance, been a fan since I was a young child, I too am in my 40s and these books, the characters, the stories, the adventures, the world of Krynn, please make this happen!
i love Joe's passion and commitment to d&d and especially Dragonlance. As a boy i read the novels as they were released and they will stay with me forever (both mentally and physically as i covert my Dragonlance books and still have them in great condition) i also do agree with some comments and have a slight concern that Joe maybe might try and present his own interpretation of the books, but he is only human, come on, who would not want to see their own iteration of Dragonlance on the screen? i would love it, but i am acutely aware that not many (if anyone) else would. The safe bet is to remain loyal to the books, try not to bring your own spin on it, we all fell in love with Dragonlance and it fueled our imagination for what it was, not what it could be. We need Henry Cavil vibes, he is working on Warhammer 40k, and has outright stated from the start he will be loyal to the lore, the books, and most importantly, us, the fans.
Seeing Sturm's arc on the screen would make 14 year old me beam with joy.
As a lifelong Dragonlance fan, this is absolutely soul crushing to hear. Joe, my man, you are a hero of mine, and I hope you get to realize your vision, because it sounds amazing. I feel your pain, because it is mine, and all the fans pain as well. We are with you! Let us know what we can do to help!
EDIT: After hearing you just say it, VERMINAARD WOULD BE PERFECT FOR YOU. In the armor, the dragonhelm, the Mace... DUDE. PLEASE.
I love Joe's intoxicating obsession with his own script. One has to fully believe in oneself in order to achieve great things. I have no doubts that his script will eventually break through the corporate barriers!
I hope this gets made it sounds amazing, I remember reading so many Dragonlance novels , Villains Series, Legend of Huma, Kaz the Minataur, etc. Those stories need to see the light of day. We are with you Mr. Manganiello :)
I still can't believe that they didn't consult Him for the dragon Lance module. What a waste of an opportunity.
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Yeah, you have to imagine the module wouldn't have been such a tiny, one-off adventure
@@TheCharacterSheet just the thought makes me want to crowd fund it. Let's go!
Why would they have consulted Joe for Shadow of the Dragon Queen? He hasn’t published anything (novel or adventure module), and he hasn’t been involved in any significant world building or lore projects that have made it to completion.
Joe may have been a great consultant, but it takes more than being a super fan to qualify.
@duhg599 because they don't consult fans anymore. Maybe they should then we might have better modules. (Shutter) like the spelljammer module. It just seems to me they've lost connection with the fan base. (Wizards of the coast.)
@@duhg599 Wizards has demonstrated that they are inept and are destroying the brand.
Excellent conversation!! All us lifelong Dragonlance fans truly appreciate and admire Joe's love for the series... (And I'm currently obsessed with BG3, too, so it was fun to hear him talk about his play-through a bit as well!) :)
Joe, I hope you can take this passion and guide it towards another loved D&D story. Most D&D fans would LOVE to see Drizzt come to life. Perhaps something in the FR could created. A Ravenloft movie? There is so much history that can be brought to life thru a series or movies.
Joe is a treasure for d&d moving forward. Hasbro does not know or understand what they have the rights to. Dragonlance is the next best thing after lord of the rings.
I've never read Dragonlance, but hearing him talk about it with such excitement and passion even after he was shut down (for now) on doing a show, makes me want to pick up the books and start reading!
Joe has the same kind of passion for dragonlance that made Sven has for dnd and that made BG3 a great success.
How insane is it to have this talent this ready to go, right when DnD has BG3 for momentum, with the original creatives backing, but the show isn’t happening. Insane.
This could have been The Last Airbender level stuff.
Before I had ever heard of D&D in middle school, a friend let me borrow his copy of Tales Volume 2: Kender, Gully Dwarves, and Gnomes. That book led me to take my allowance to Waldenbooks and buy Tales of Autumn Twilight. I loved Dragonlance ever since and Joe's passion for that series and that project makes me so hopeful that he will get his vision fulfilled some day.
I have loved the dragonlance chronicles and twins series of books since. I've read all of Margaret and Tracy's work and many of the other books. I've been DMing dragonlance ever since.
Based on Joe's words over the years I could tell he understands the books in the same way. When I heard this it's the only series I'd ever actually wanted to be developed because of that.
I'd heard the sad news before but hearing more about the series really hammered home the loss. Hopefully wizards finally sells DnD or this temporary insanity eventually fades.
I feel so sorry for Joe and the rest of us dragonlance lovers who are so underrepresented in modern DnD.
I was pretty shattered when I heard this news. I read the Chronicles (first 3 books) when I was in middle school. DM'd several of the Dragonlance modules with friends. I knew/know that this will be a fantastic series, lead by someone so passionate about it.
Enjoyed this interview a lot -- amazing commitment to world building and consistent storytelling!
I could listen to him talk about Dragonlance all day. So passionate and knowledgeable
Totally loved Dragonlance. I read it in my teens. I remember getting one of the books from Legends, telling my parents I was sick, to stay home from school, and reading the entire book in a day. Raistlin was my favourite character, but Tasslehoff and Flint were probably my next favourites. I love the world of Faerun more, but Krynn was such a well written world, that had me reading for a about the first 20 or so books.
We will be waiting Joe...as long as it takes.
Joe has been an amazing ambassador for D&D. Dragon Lance were the first series of D&D novels I read and fell in love with. I hope he can get this off the ground.
the twin souls/elvis stuff also reminds me of maki and mai from jjk - in the womb there being two souls 'split' the overall energy between the twins and what led them in life to appear limited or weak. It takes one twin to leave, so that the other can absorb their combined energy to unlock a full potential and be one of the strongest in the respective verse. Souls linked together but also how it affects the power of the flesh
Dragonlance was my 1st module on D&D, then I dif alucinate with the books. I was so excited because of Joe’s proyect until I heard it was cancelled. I really hate some people right now, but I hope he can make it.
I've known Tracy and Laura for well over a decade at this point and we've had many discussions on Raven Loft it's origins and inspirations and a bit on Dragonlance as well. They are true gems.
Hearing Joe discuss the Dragonlance novels has inspired me to read them again. I would love to see his live action or animated version of the books.
I love Joe's passion, it's really a shame someone like me isn't in charge of D&D otherwise things would be going in a good direction for new fans and long term fans. Oh well, I'll keep plugging away at my own game
I’m not even a fan of Dragonlance, but his passion is so….. beautiful. I want to just give him money to do it. I definitely don’t think that this will be the end. I think somebody somewhere will give him the shot!
Great interview. Joe is a passionate fan, and it shows.
Dragonlace was my absolute favorite in my youth i so hope your vision comes to fruition and we get to see this animated series
I have been building this DnD style game and world in my head for the past 2-3 years and listening to Joe talk about his passion projects makes me think I really should write it down.
Excellent interview! Was very curious where Joe was headed with the script... and this gave a lot of insight into it. Hopefully, it will come around again one day!
Jesus I went down eight grade through freshman year…with him…dragon lance was amazing…but legends man the tears I shed…Raistln what memories!
i read like 50 of the novels when i was a kid and it has always been my favorite dnd setting. such a rich IP and it's being squandered by the typical corporate machine that is clueless. i hope his vision comes to fruition eventually.
Vince from Swingers haggling with a shop owner about a flying carpet is so money!
Joe has to get some support. This sounds like an amazing project that needs to come to life.
Wotc execs turning down what fans might want because they don't know what they're talking about? Shocker.
Dragonlance got me into fantasy when i was a kid. I'd support any cloud funding to try and get this pushed. It's truly a shame that they killed a project supported by such passion. Kills me.
Dragonlance was my first ever fantasy fiction book/series back in middle school and got me hooked on the genre from the very start. It's an incredible story with some incredible lines, scenarios, and an excellent blend of the serious right alongside the comical. A television adaptation would be amazing, especially if made by a true fan... such a shame that it got dropped. 😞
Ooohh. I bet if Larian Studios got to do Dragonlance it would be Epic!
❤Dragonlance. This sounds like it could be great.
Total bummer to have Joe's Dragonlance project get dropped. Uggg....
This is the movie/series that should have been made. They have a huge instant market.. what a kick in the stones.
Joe Manganiello 2024!!
DRAGONLANCE! This has got to be made......I am 52 and have been reading Dragonlance since I was 14........
I never heard of dragonlance before I heard that Joe was making a show about it.
And after hearing him talk about it making me really want more of it.
As a 42 year old who loved Dragonlance as a kid he's got me sold!
Id watch anything Joe does because i believe in his passion for D&D
The man loves him some Dragonlance and some D&D
I don't know anything about dragonlance but his passion made me order the first few books. That's a man who loves and cares about what he was about to work on. Refreshing
I still to this day have almost the entire Dragonlance novels. I loved that series as much as D&D.
I would buy the Dragonlance series if they ever make one. Also Love Joes passion
Well stated Joe. As for the War host issues. Amateurs talk tactics, Professionals discuss logistics.And if I may be so bold, as far as weapon props Weta would be a fantastic choice.
You had me at "Campbellian". There's something interesting about Joe, Henry Cavill and Sam Witwer - they're all these badass actors that are super passionate (like hyper-nerds) about their projects. They should seriously form some sort of super-group entertainment company where they just take over all these franchises. The 3 wisemen of fantasy that could also definitely take you out.
Joe, you have captured the very essence of Dragonlance so perfectly in this interview. The plan for the series sounds epic and legendary and deserves to be produced! You are a true Champion of Krynn!
I don't see Dragonlance as D&D as such, they change some of the core concepts, but this is definitely the series fans deserve. We've never had a D&D movie which isn't being played for laughs. I really wish him well, it sounds like he really understands the source material, it seems crazy this isn't being picked up.
Omg! Give this man his Show
We all want to See it
Joe's the ambassador for dragonlance we dreamed of for years dont give up joe!
OG Dragonlance books are to this day some of the best fantasy/D&D based books ever written and Joe M is a legend who has lived and breathed the books since he first read them. It would be rude not to let him adapt these books into a series and I think if the community got together and continously harrassed the powers that be, we can make it eventually happy sooner preferrably than later. Don't give up on this!
I wonder if Joe could change the names, file the serial numbers off, and get this produced without needing to go through WotC at all.
It'll happen. A passion this good and a solid script, it'll float around and be picked up eventually.
It's a dream of every creator to have a fan as passionnate about their work as Joe is for Dragonlance.
As the CEO of Steve Jackson Games, I approve of Joe wanting to play GURPS ;) (also I would have loved that D&D series so much! What a shame ;_;)
Funny, I stumbled upon this interview just after listening to the album "Immortal" by Pyramaze. It's a concept album insoired by and based onDragonlance. It really captures the vibe and I always wanted someone to use it for something more in the future
Joe is being too humble. He would be amazing as Sturm. I loved the first six books and I would love to see this get made.
Really hope you get to make it Joe. Love to see what you can do with the great books.
Do hope you stay true to the law. For example make dragons, dragons. Not wyverns.
Could give 100 more examples but you get the idea. Think your the guy for the job.
Love that you are a Tool fan Joe. Makes me appreciate you even more.
Wow! Growing up in school I strugled as a student and was a terrible reader. One day my best friend handed me Dragons of Autumn Twilight. From then on I consumed books. These books are dear to me. They made me the reader I still am today. I hope this will some day get made
I would love to see Joe and Henry get together and play in a D&D show.
I like Dragonlance back In the days I wish someone wakes up and say let's do it bro you are genius and you are my #1 fan let's hope this year getting some news
"Anything artistic is seen as a commodity" absolutely correct, the unspoken problem nowadays is also, anything artistic is seen as a platform for faulty ideology. If this gets made expect the bait and switch, its just standard at this point.
I would love to see his dragon lance one day, but given current check boxing its probably better it didn't go ahead now, wait till his full vision can happen un altered.
What could have been... Your energy is contagious Joe!
I like how Chris was trying to relate to Joe's Cowboys analogy.
Chris Killian loves him a good analogy
God, it's been SO LONG since I last heard ANYONE mention the name of Mike Mearls. I know there was a huge controversy, like, 2018 iirc, regarding one of 5e's playtesters and Mearls was involved in that whole thing. I don't know if the man even works for WotC anymore. Could anyone try to explain to me what happened on that front in layman's terms? Because I never really understood the whole thing, or I just didn't really read up on that too much.
Believe he was accused of being sexist/racist in hiring practices.
Well. I really do not know what to say, Jo. You voice out what many of us do not have the chance to do. Just like you I was amazed about the main Dragonlance novels. I today I am wondering how it is possible in 2034 to not have a movie or a series about this world. About the story of 2 amazing characters that are Caramon and Raistlin.
We can only cross our fingers that something out there happens. A turn of event that would change the minds of the people. So that you can fulfill your dream and ours for that matter. I think I we can just wish you all the luck for this project. The community wants it. The community needs it. 😊😊
Time to get Tracy and Margaret, and the people form the studio tougher and build your own studio.
As of right now someone is developing a board game based on DragonStrike; oddly enough TSR released a board game in 93 with the same name. I'd like to develop a DragonLance board game using 2e mechanics set up to provide the core AD&D experience except its Dragonlance; maybe with an attached video like the original. I currently do Audio Sourcebook Dragonlance segments for 2e based on TSR era material. Dragonlance is not Dead. Margaret and Tracy will still be promoting the 3rd DL book under Random House Worlds at Gen Con* , DL fans stop fighting over the dragon orbs..
*Dragonlance* is too powerful, too fantastic to remain shelved forever. Keep hammering at the gates, Joe! They will open and enrich our world eventually!!
Im 55 years old and was sucked into Dragonlance when I was 14 . I received DL1 and Dragons of Autumns Twilight as my Easter gift. I have loved the series since then. I hate what the Greedy owners are doing to it. I would love to see a Movie and series. Biting at the bit for the next season of Vox Machina.
after elminster, dragonlance OG trilogy was my introduction to d&d almost 30 years ago now, hopefully it won't take 30 more to see any good media for it outside of the books. my dream is larian getting the license after bg3 or anyone making a competent live action 😭
My favorite books ever! I was so hyped to hear this was in the making! I cannot wait for this to come into reality as a movie or a tv series like game of thrones. Keep the mission alive don't stop until it happens Joe!
Story like this is made for ANIME , they do that all the time.
Live-Action is more expensive and flawed in many ways, people age and you have to rush it.
Make a good pilot in an ANIME and if people love it, you get the chance to keep it going.
would have loved to see this happen! A company that truly loves the game needs to buy it!
Not sure the direction of pilot. First novel ?
Loved the short character description in the first pages. Helped me as youth get into the book.
Having Fizban narrate early in a pointy hat like Gandalf? With old English type actor?
Verminaard needs to be huge, he's the last living descendant of Huma, and that legend needs to feed into just how incongruous Verminaard was. Joe could play him, sure, but there would definitely be better options.
On the other hand, Emperor Ariakas would have been really tough to NOT self-cast Joe in as.
I hope somehow things change, and somebody eventually gets to play those roles.
@17:16 ... oooh ok. man, must be frustrating to do so much work and then tptb just idk reset? And it's square 1
Thank you for this interview... and PLEASE let us have Dragonlance! Henry Cavill with Warhammer... Joe with Dragonlance? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I started on Conan, then went to Dragonlance... and then was hooked on fantasy. Unfortunately, Wheel of Time was destroyed. They're destroying Star Wars. Joe will elevate Dragonlance, the same way Henry will bring Warhammer into mass popularity.