I've been saying that for a while you cant have an affiliate link paired with a review video. It's as bad as a paid review if not worse. There's too much to be gained from a lazy or poor review.
@@Weaverbeats Honestly, affiliate programs are nothing more than a blindfold over the creators. "Affiliate program" is just a fancy label that companies put on their scam, that is they are getting *free* advertising from all the creators. But creators feel its good for their brand, and think it's a revenue opportunity with the 5 or 10% kick back for purchases through their link (that's even if anyone uses the link vs just looking the plugin up). The most devs are missing out on is 5 or 10% discount on a probably already over priced product that has zero manufacturing costs. Accepting "affiliate program" deals is just being bait for them. I would think ideally, saying no to affiliate link royalties or whatever and instead taking a flat fee would be more ideal.
You know what's funny? Peel is an incredibly useful, stable, and snappy plugin that everyone (Zplane included) markets as some sort of stem separation magic trick, when in reality, it's just a super easy-to-use band isolator. For example. you have a drum loop and want to sidechain the kick, send the loop to another muted track, select the kick in the animated graphic, send the output signal to your sidechain bus. No fumbling around with ParaEQ faders. Or as you mentioned, adding reverb to only a snare or something when you don't have stems. If that is of use to you, it's a good deal. But Zplane is a company that makes 90% of their earnings from licensing their pitch and timestretch code/algos to Ableton, FLStudio, Bitwig, etc. They're trying to breakout as a VST company and IMO going about it a bit deceptively, which when coupled with an affiliate program makes it shill bait.
Nice you’re trying to think of the positives, but just isolating the kick region with a parametric isn’t difficult as is, and trying to put a snare reverb on that garbled mess would sound bad anyway.
You know what's funny? Ben being in the same class as other UA-cam product reviewers who, unfortunately and even unintentionally, cause people to buy unnecessary things due to their (at best) partially biased reviews. They are partially biased because they have received the product for free and do not have a monetary attachment to it the same way an actual consumer would. Subconsciously you are not going to be as critical of something.
Amen brother. I had to stop following a bunch of channels recently because it's just gotten ridiculous. And anyway the engineers worth listening to certainly aren't spending their time making UA-cam videos.
It's crazy because the producers that aren't disclosing that they are affiliated with the company are literally breaking the law. You HAVE to disclose your sponsors.
@@groovylou8611Facts. I make music as a hobby and I never saw myself apart of a community. I just see myself as someone who happens to make beats as a hobby
You get 2 types of content creators in the music sphere, those who educate and those who promote. If a channel has very few useful tutorials, I don't take their promo seriously. It works.
Btw, White Sea's link sends to Plugin Boutique, which he mentioned he is an affiliate for. All his reviews he does on the demo, and doesn't receive money upfront. White Sea is one of the very very few who are not shills, unless I'm wrong. Yes he has featured some useless plugin, but he's just giving his opinion, the rest is on you - my 2c.
Opinion: Buying and using 3rd party vsts will lengthen your years learning music production. Easy solutions rarely provide you the final answer. Overriding your instincts by using a vst on your tracks that causes a myriad of effects you don't truly understand is gonna hurt you in the long run.
yeah I heard about this plugin a while ago and got excited, turned out to be mostly unusable because its very imprecise for almost everything. A good seperation is almost impossible because nothing is going to be so seperately placed in the spectral field for that box to make any sense. Maybe if you could paint out the areas to EQ that would make sense, even that would not be very precise.
This is why when I demo a plugin I have bought it with my own money and I have to really like as well as think it is useful for other people. I also will shoot it out with similar plugins that do the same sorts of things.
Same. Some plugins I own, my friends love-- but they are stupid expensive. So I try others to see if I can make similar results with free or cheaper alternatives so they can get the same-ish results for much less.
This plugin exist in Cubase, iZotope,ect. and it's a different way to separate sounds without using Technique with two indetical signals hitting each other ( Colliding to same signals will cancel each other) Negative Correlation and EQ to extract sounds but it's working in Specially produced Music where Bass is mono , Drums are mono and basically Audio have to be Mono compatible for better results. You can do it in every DAW , just reverse phase on one Audio and leave other in original and then with EQ you can do something i was using it for TV commercials and that's the way how we cleaned Audios . I know that Weaver Beats talked about week ago when he analyze Tracks, that's the way you are separating frequencies or you can buy plugin for simple way without needing to understand what is happening.
Man, I 100% agree - Thx for pointing this out in your video! Many YT creators actually don't do music BUT they are the ones who tell us what's hip? ^^ twisted, good-running business unfortunately on the cost of many young producers and a lot of confusion which is the opposite of education
I always had doubts about many plugin and Plugin Companies, U r confirming that. finally someone has guts. Keep up exposing bad companies and keep Supporting Good Companies as well
It really sucks when people go about this stuff in a deceptive way. I mean I appreciate the “negativity” because it prevents people from buying useless plugins. Instead of spending $40 on a low grade plugin producers could use that for marketing themselves to help grow. Most of us do this as a hobby, so anytime we end up spending money on useless things that influencers say are great, it sets us back further from promoting ourselves
U know it's FL Gang fam! 😂 Yeah, this one got me awhile ago. They sold me on the "isolate individual elements", never got a usable sample and what I did get I ended up running through a couple EQs and gate to remove the leftover noise and freq. Not trying to "bash" it and I'll keep an eye on Zplane. Side note, pretty decent job cleaning up dialogue but I honestly still think I was faster and more accurate with EQs and gates. Right on brotha! I always appreciated you being willing to take the shots to keep it real. I easily have closer to a thou-wow $$ in plugins not even installed on my system, and damn near 90% that I do use often, you've given good reviews to. Sorry so long, just want to appreciate and say thanks man. 🤘🏾👍🏾
I stumbled upon your channel randomly a while back, never missed a video since I think. I like the fact that you're honest and try to debunk a lot of sh*t like this while being funny at the same time. Keep it up!
There's a huge uproar going on atm between professional producers and professional UA-cam content creators about the new MPC X SE, its perceived sound quality, but also about these content creators/influencers really being honest and not some tool of the industry. I think you should check it. Main producer involved here, E-A-Ski.
❤ yeah I feel it man. Also having just recently making digital music, I understand the shilling that happens in the music industry. I basically have a few extra instruments outside of my DAW's stock stuff. I also have a somewhat poor man's laptop, so I have to take it easy on my processor anyway. I mostly rake UA-cam for ways to do the thing I'm trying to do, as opposed to shopping for gear.
Thanks for doing this...I'm trying to fight the good fight on the actual testing of audio claims, but DAMN it is a fine line trying to navigate the shill thing
5:16 - At the very least, it's not spread illogically. I don't know if there was a time where it was standard to pan kick or bass in certain songs, but it just works to keep them center. If it aint broke don't fix it. It might be a cliche (to keep them centered), but yeah, WTF is up with this company for doing this? I almost feel like this is worse than Unison Audio because at least we know what they are up to (because it's so blatant). This was much more sneaky it seems.
Yup, man. Regarding to the very beginning of the video, you're the first one to accurately articulate what's been on my mind for a long time. Keep doing it. You may be the first channel I will support with real money. Of course, that's after I stop starving myself XD
..and btw phew, thanks for this reveal! tend to have a loose trigger finger and was on the fence of getting Peel myself for that seemingly affordable price.
I am so glad that you have made this video. The plugin, unfortunately, is not what is seen to do what they claim it does, I'm not worried about UA-cam influencers, I will not buy a plugin if I can't try it as a demo first. My number one rule is: Don't buy a plugin without trying a demo first.
This plugin is just an EQ and imager with a fancy UI, why would any producer expect this combo of effects to allow vocal isolation? You could never do stem separation with an EQ and imager so why would you expect this plugin to?
For mastering, I Love Blue Cat MB-7 7 separate bands of processing. And it can separate mid/side too. The only thing it cannot do is process a single point in the stereo field. I wish that Peel would give you the ability to mirror processing on the other side of the stereo field- like process 30% left and right the same. At any rate, I think it does have a certain use case even with its limitations.
Finally someone calling this shit out, if it’s an ad or you get a commission from a link below you can’t take em seriously, They prey on upcoming producers that don’t know any better
It's cool that you sampled Blade Runner Blues in your one of your songs :D Also "FL Gang", since i got last fall after not using it since 2008, but i use Ableton mostly.
If you're a full-time music producer, you got to be careful of falling into the trap of buying too many plugins (especially if you don't really need it). Not just is it wasting your money, but it's destracting you from finishing any music at all, and that's the problem I have with UA-cam influencers. They sell you crap and say "this plugin is a must-have and game changer" and make you feel that what you're already have, is not good enough.
Dude I've been so pissed with this exact same issue with creators. The incentives are too hard to turn down for most. We'd probably make an additional 6 figures/year if we did sponsorships regularly - but we don't. We MAYBE do 3-5 sponsored videos per year and it's never with a brand I don't have a close relationship in terms of me actually loving the products personally. But think about that - if you have an audience you can legit bring in 6 figures just from sponsors if you're good with just making tons of sponsored content... most are not gonna say no to that. I'm not against sponsors but it's GOT to be ethical and GOT to be something you genuinely love and use.. too many are making videos and then never using it again. It's horrible
Benn Jordan's video opened my eyes to just how much money can be made via the affiliate system and I can understand why so many channels get sucked into churning out paid content, but those videos leave me feeling empty. I love your video tutorials that AREN'T just shilling. Please don't ever turn into a shopping channel!
I did buy once a zplane plugin...and never will again, some musician told me to get it, 50 bucks down the drain as it did not do what he told me that it does. So now I stopped buying stuff when someone tells its dope . When it comes to content creators some actually want you to buy stuff (most of them^^) I just now watch to make my own opinion if it is useful or not
Well the new version of Peel finally lives up to it's original promise but you gotta pay for an upgrade if you had the original. It now has stem separation in addition to the visual bandpass filter. It's finally useful now.
As an indie game developer, I've been immersing myself in the world of music for a little over a month now. While my focus lies primarily on creating sound effects and other smaller elements, transitioning from the game development community to the music community has been quite a culture shock for me. I've found myself constantly pondering: Is the music community accepting of such practices? It seems like scams are lurking around every corner, and their claims are as nonsensical as those exaggerated TV-shop commercials from the 90s.
because most music producers are not as knowledgable about sound and it isn't that concrete, they wont be able to know the difference between products based on actual evidence. most of the time we pick stuff to use because "it sounds good" which is subject to change by time and also influenced easily by UI and marketing.
White Sea Studios has long since sold out. The fact that he has to say that the makers of the plug-in have "no say" in his review, and then goes on to give it a good review every time, with one minor criticism, says it all.
Back in the day, I use to go to the music store and play with synths and gear for hours. I'd ultimately make up my own mind. Nowadays there are too many people just buying gear because someone on the net said it was good. It's ok to check out new gear through influences, but always try before you buy. If they don't give you enough time to evaluate a new plugin, then just keep walking.
The only advice I can suggest for the future is try the demo before. I’ve fallen foul of scams like this with virtual instruments which have looked amazing in UA-cam videos but when I’ve gone to use them have been a pile of you know what!
Been using that awhile as a filter. (I knew it was a filter when I trialed it. Zplane should have advertised it as what it is from the get-go (a filter).
can see this being of some use in bringing different sounds out from a field recording. but i get you, they arent even marketing it for stuff like that it seems.
I saw this some time back…but seriously my spidey sense said no , this ain’t gonna work, I still don’t get all the results from IRIS 2 Sampler but it’s zillion time better even though it’s not live input. The spectral ANALyser graphics got some of us hoodwinked and bamboozled 😂
I've bought 2 different Z Plane plugins Tonic and deCoda. Unless I'm using Tonic wrong, it's trash. I thought it would be way better at finding the key of sounds, but it's sketch at best. deCoda kind of did what I wanted, but it really didn't do it as well as I wanted. I basically wanted it to make midi from samples, and it does it, but it's not exactly cut and dry, it gets a little glitchy, and I can do what it does with other free plugins and sites, plus Ableton. I doubt if I'll ever buy another zplane plugin, due to my experience with their products. They remind me of the toy commercials from when I was a kid, where the commercial made the toy seem way better than it actually was.
It does have a demo, so..... I'm not sure i've ever bought a plugin that i haven't demoed first. But i hear you man, it's supremely wack and deceitful business.
I stepped away from from producing for a couple of years as I had a baby. When I came back into it December last year I was pretty disgusted with the state of the scene. Nearly every production video has become a shill for samples and vsts. It's like the love and energy has dissapeared.
You know what's deceptively marketed however free: AI enhance of Adobe Podcast. You see the "independent" videos by content creators and it sounds amazing. With real life material it sounds totally different to the source material, it was trained on English speech, so gets really funny with any other language. I use it currently to make glitch vocals with it, it's so not ready yet.
keep keeping it real. you're one of the top tier "producer" UA-camrs. Don't let that green screen console behind him fool you people! Weaver is out there spending his money on lame plug-ins so you don't have to.
"music production community" there's your first problem.. the whole 'producer' thing is fake and gay, just like the music industry is fake and gay. Ironically the vast majority of the people calling themselves 'producers' produce nothing of any redeeming quality, if they produce anything at all. It's just people being cajoled in to another niche of mindless consumerism by pandering to their desire for artistic relevance. What's equally annoying is how 'producer' and 'artist' are now the accepted terms to rationalize people churning out this crap, because in reality, none of them are musicians.
I find it hilarious that I never even heard of that plugin. Most people just promote me the most well known stuff like pro q and serum. Other than that I just use the free trial and put off purchasing until I really need it. Honestly free trials on vsts are super handy, considering everything else is buy in first try it later
This video is a great service. For most at home producers with enough cash to spare for whatever plugins are out there, it would be helpful to understand what the best plugins are for certain common tasks (e.g., compression, EQ, distortion, etc,), as well as choices where you may want different plugins, depending upon the track (e.g., reverb). Yes, these lists somewhat overlap. After you have the best of these in your arsenal, realize that most of the gimmick plugins (like the one in this video) either: a) make certain standard operations easier in some situations, or b) allow you to manipulate your sound in different (usually unnatural) ways. Most of us would be best served to start with the stock plugins in your DAW of choice, and look for plugins when the stock ones are not great, or when a truly breakthrough plugin happens (e.g., Fab Filter’s Pro-Q 3). Thanks for exposing the grift. Many of these UA-cam content creators have built a niche (I have watched a lot of both Whitesea and Sanjay C videos), and bought many of the recommended plugins. I can second that, unless you are already looking for a certain type of plugin, most of these sit gathering virtual dust. Thanks again.
Roland released an almost identical standalone program a decade ago called "R-Mix". It was cool at the time, but had all the same problems including heavy artifacts and limited uses.
Yo are those police shades official issues oakleys??? You kill me with the vids brother keep doing your thing and watch out for Sanjays girl man bwajajaja!!
I just recently unsubscribe from many of those channels like White Sea studio when I realized they start with “ the problem with the industry is” and at the end of the video “and here is a plug in that fix it” The worst one is the recent one titled “I need to tell you something” Starts with “no snake oil” then there’s a snake oil at the end of the video
I do agree. Seems like a conflict of interest when creators 'review' things while also being incentivized to get people to buy it
Salute to you Navie D, you are a real one ☝️
I've been saying that for a while you cant have an affiliate link paired with a review video. It's as bad as a paid review if not worse. There's too much to be gained from a lazy or poor review.
Exactly, bogus “reviews” that are really just commercials in disguise. It’s deceitful, plain and simple.
@@Weaverbeats Honestly, affiliate programs are nothing more than a blindfold over the creators. "Affiliate program" is just a fancy label that companies put on their scam, that is they are getting *free* advertising from all the creators. But creators feel its good for their brand, and think it's a revenue opportunity with the 5 or 10% kick back for purchases through their link (that's even if anyone uses the link vs just looking the plugin up). The most devs are missing out on is 5 or 10% discount on a probably already over priced product that has zero manufacturing costs.
Accepting "affiliate program" deals is just being bait for them. I would think ideally, saying no to affiliate link royalties or whatever and instead taking a flat fee would be more ideal.
Navie (Big) D, we meet again
You know what's funny? Peel is an incredibly useful, stable, and snappy plugin that everyone (Zplane included) markets as some sort of stem separation magic trick, when in reality, it's just a super easy-to-use band isolator.
For example. you have a drum loop and want to sidechain the kick, send the loop to another muted track, select the kick in the animated graphic, send the output signal to your sidechain bus. No fumbling around with ParaEQ faders. Or as you mentioned, adding reverb to only a snare or something when you don't have stems. If that is of use to you, it's a good deal.
But Zplane is a company that makes 90% of their earnings from licensing their pitch and timestretch code/algos to Ableton, FLStudio, Bitwig, etc. They're trying to breakout as a VST company and IMO going about it a bit deceptively, which when coupled with an affiliate program makes it shill bait.
You know you've made it when Benn Jordan comments on one of your videos.
Extremely well stated…
Nice you’re trying to think of the positives, but just isolating the kick region with a parametric isn’t difficult as is, and trying to put a snare reverb on that garbled mess would sound bad anyway.
That's funny. I just have seen your video about YT Influencers a few days ago and thought about it right now.
You know what's funny? Ben being in the same class as other UA-cam product reviewers who, unfortunately and even unintentionally, cause people to buy unnecessary things due to their (at best) partially biased reviews.
They are partially biased because they have received the product for free and do not have a monetary attachment to it the same way an actual consumer would. Subconsciously you are not going to be as critical of something.
“Its only a 5 minute trial because they don’t want you to catch on to that this thing sucks” well said bro
Amen brother. I had to stop following a bunch of channels recently because it's just gotten ridiculous. And anyway the engineers worth listening to certainly aren't spending their time making UA-cam videos.
In The Mix recently released his own plugin, it’s called Reviver. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
i think he reacted to it on his second channel
@dksd this is his reaction to the announcement and promo vid ua-cam.com/video/7cueVW7Zang/v-deo.html
He did and called it a useless gimmick.
I think there’s an old plug in too called reviver and apparently it was incredible.
@@Genital.Wartzenegger perhaps you're thinking of Slate Digital Revival?
12:35 - Healthy skepticism should always be welcomed.
It's crazy because the producers that aren't disclosing that they are affiliated with the company are literally breaking the law. You HAVE to disclose your sponsors.
The most exciting thing happening right now for content creators is that the community is starting to turn on each other.
@@groovylou8611 Like Led Zeppelin big :0
@@Linguae_Music not that big. If you Led Zeppelin big, you can afford a couple million worth of watches. Look up John Mayer watch collection.
@@groovylou8611Facts. I make music as a hobby and I never saw myself apart of a community. I just see myself as someone who happens to make beats as a hobby
You get 2 types of content creators in the music sphere, those who educate and those who promote. If a channel has very few useful tutorials, I don't take their promo seriously. It works.
simply said, the real educators who care about the community and then the promoters disguising as educators
There are three. The two you mentioned, and people who actually play music.
Btw, White Sea's link sends to Plugin Boutique, which he mentioned he is an affiliate for. All his reviews he does on the demo, and doesn't receive money upfront. White Sea is one of the very very few who are not shills, unless I'm wrong. Yes he has featured some useless plugin, but he's just giving his opinion, the rest is on you - my 2c.
Opinion: Buying and using 3rd party vsts will lengthen your years learning music production.
Easy solutions rarely provide you the final answer. Overriding your instincts by using a vst on your tracks that causes a myriad of effects you don't truly understand is gonna hurt you in the long run.
You are quickly becoming one of my favorite YT content creators.
FL gang! Thanks for the info you share
EQ can never properly isolate an instrument / track and that someone would think that let alone promote that is plain stupid
Ultimate vocal remover five. It’s free and splits everything out.
So we all panning our basses to the left now?
yeah I heard about this plugin a while ago and got excited, turned out to be mostly unusable because its very imprecise for almost everything. A good seperation is almost impossible because nothing is going to be so seperately placed in the spectral field for that box to make any sense. Maybe if you could paint out the areas to EQ that would make sense, even that would not be very precise.
Sold us bandpass filter for £40 😂😂
This is why when I demo a plugin I have bought it with my own money and I have to really like as well as think it is useful for other people. I also will shoot it out with similar plugins that do the same sorts of things.
Same. Some plugins I own, my friends love-- but they are stupid expensive. So I try others to see if I can make similar results with free or cheaper alternatives so they can get the same-ish results for much less.
This plugin exist in Cubase, iZotope,ect. and it's a different way to separate sounds without using Technique with two indetical signals hitting each other ( Colliding to same signals will cancel each other) Negative Correlation and EQ to extract sounds but it's working in Specially produced Music where Bass is mono , Drums are mono and basically Audio have to be Mono compatible for better results. You can do it in every DAW , just reverse phase on one Audio and leave other in original and then with EQ you can do something i was using it for TV commercials and that's the way how we cleaned Audios . I know that Weaver Beats talked about week ago when he analyze Tracks, that's the way you are separating frequencies or you can buy plugin for simple way without needing to understand what is happening.
Man, I 100% agree - Thx for pointing this out in your video! Many YT creators actually don't do music BUT they are the ones who tell us what's hip? ^^ twisted, good-running business unfortunately on the cost of many young producers and a lot of confusion which is the opposite of education
I always had doubts about many plugin and Plugin Companies, U r confirming that.
finally someone has guts. Keep up exposing bad companies and keep Supporting Good Companies as well
Yes these videos are necessary!
Love your channel man!
Spot on man! fortunately the best plugins now are the free
yes, so much yes. Thanks for speaking up about this.
It really sucks when people go about this stuff in a deceptive way. I mean I appreciate the “negativity” because it prevents people from buying useless plugins. Instead of spending $40 on a low grade plugin producers could use that for marketing themselves to help grow. Most of us do this as a hobby, so anytime we end up spending money on useless things that influencers say are great, it sets us back further from promoting ourselves
U know it's FL Gang fam! 😂 Yeah, this one got me awhile ago. They sold me on the "isolate individual elements", never got a usable sample and what I did get I ended up running through a couple EQs and gate to remove the leftover noise and freq. Not trying to "bash" it and I'll keep an eye on Zplane. Side note, pretty decent job cleaning up dialogue but I honestly still think I was faster and more accurate with EQs and gates. Right on brotha! I always appreciated you being willing to take the shots to keep it real. I easily have closer to a thou-wow $$ in plugins not even installed on my system, and damn near 90% that I do use often, you've given good reviews to. Sorry so long, just want to appreciate and say thanks man. 🤘🏾👍🏾
I stumbled upon your channel randomly a while back, never missed a video since I think. I like the fact that you're honest and try to debunk a lot of sh*t like this while being funny at the same time. Keep it up!
Yep always happens to me ,buying plugs I don’t need ! 😢
the shills have lies
11:32 Gotta love that piano panned hard left. Makes no sense
There's a huge uproar going on atm between professional producers and professional UA-cam content creators about the new MPC X SE, its perceived sound quality, but also about these content creators/influencers really being honest and not some tool of the industry. I think you should check it. Main producer involved here, E-A-Ski.
❤ yeah I feel it man. Also having just recently making digital music, I understand the shilling that happens in the music industry. I basically have a few extra instruments outside of my DAW's stock stuff. I also have a somewhat poor man's laptop, so I have to take it easy on my processor anyway. I mostly rake UA-cam for ways to do the thing I'm trying to do, as opposed to shopping for gear.
Thanks for doing this...I'm trying to fight the good fight on the actual testing of audio claims, but DAMN it is a fine line trying to navigate the shill thing
I'm so glad you exist. You are the most honest person on YT so far. God bless you.
I also was surprised at white sea studio choosing the jazz track with easy to isolate guitar - and presumed BS. Same with Roland S-1 videos e.g. jorb
S1 is very nice.
@@tmw3489 I can't wait to see one in the flesh. It does look good especially for live use.
@@PorchBass it is awesome, i got one. It is stupid value for money if you care about synths.
5:16 - At the very least, it's not spread illogically. I don't know if there was a time where it was standard to pan kick or bass in certain songs, but it just works to keep them center. If it aint broke don't fix it. It might be a cliche (to keep them centered), but yeah, WTF is up with this company for doing this? I almost feel like this is worse than Unison Audio because at least we know what they are up to (because it's so blatant). This was much more sneaky it seems.
agree with you bro 100%, your work is needed in the community
"No song is mixed like this"
The Beatles Mix engineer: *hold my beer*
"No song is mixed like this" ... In the past 50 years then.
Or at least, not enough, to justify using this plugin.
@@Music-tg5isExactly.
6:40
Tbh this is how I ended up buying most of my plugins. Did that and ended up liking them, so I bought them all.
That “blade runner blues” sample!!!! Lovely!!!
another Weaver W - keep going :D
Yup, man. Regarding to the very beginning of the video, you're the first one to accurately articulate what's been on my mind for a long time. Keep doing it. You may be the first channel I will support with real money. Of course, that's after I stop starving myself XD
Almost fell for it, appreciate the honesty!!
..and btw phew, thanks for this reveal! tend to have a loose trigger finger and was on the fence of getting Peel myself for that seemingly affordable price.
I am so glad that you have made this video. The plugin, unfortunately, is not what is seen to do what they claim it does, I'm not worried about UA-cam influencers, I will not buy a plugin if I can't try it as a demo first. My number one rule is: Don't buy a plugin without trying a demo first.
This plugin is just an EQ and imager with a fancy UI, why would any producer expect this combo of effects to allow vocal isolation? You could never do stem separation with an EQ and imager so why would you expect this plugin to?
"it's a little bit funny when I'm mad"
relatable lol
For mastering, I Love Blue Cat MB-7 7 separate bands of processing. And it can separate mid/side too. The only thing it cannot do is process a single point in the stereo field. I wish that Peel would give you the ability to mirror processing on the other side of the stereo field- like process 30% left and right the same. At any rate, I think it does have a certain use case even with its limitations.
Bought this a few years ago thinking it would separate stems cuz Sanjay C told me it would separate stems… haven’t touched it since
Making art stopped being about art and more about how much money and fame you can get. I miss when people made art for the love of art, not status.
"But listen to how artifact'd it is."
Do samples from compressed MP3s of old Memphis rap really count as _typical mixed vocals_ though?
Finally someone calling this shit out, if it’s an ad or you get a commission from a link below you can’t take em seriously, They prey on upcoming producers that don’t know any better
It's cool that you sampled Blade Runner Blues in your one of your songs :D
Also "FL Gang", since i got last fall after not using it since 2008, but i use Ableton mostly.
Damn, you made some really good points here. You are so right. And yes, I also fell for it
Dammit! You fell into the woo! Greetings from New Mexico!
What? A Corporation Doing Something Unethical To Protect Its Interests? This Is Shocking! Wait … influencers want to influence me to buy stuff … :(
If you're a full-time music producer, you got to be careful of falling into the trap of buying too many plugins (especially if you don't really need it). Not just is it wasting your money, but it's destracting you from finishing any music at all, and that's the problem I have with UA-cam influencers.
They sell you crap and say "this plugin is a must-have and game changer" and make you feel that what you're already have, is not good enough.
Ah shit, I didn’t realize that you also sampled that Vangelis track. Though I’m sure plenty have, now that I think on it. Sounds dope.
ya it was from a beat battle a couple years back
Yessss I now only bye on black Friday or Xmas sales lol...how many compressors do I need???.
Dude I've been so pissed with this exact same issue with creators. The incentives are too hard to turn down for most.
We'd probably make an additional 6 figures/year if we did sponsorships regularly - but we don't. We MAYBE do 3-5 sponsored videos per year and it's never with a brand I don't have a close relationship in terms of me actually loving the products personally.
But think about that - if you have an audience you can legit bring in 6 figures just from sponsors if you're good with just making tons of sponsored content... most are not gonna say no to that.
I'm not against sponsors but it's GOT to be ethical and GOT to be something you genuinely love and use.. too many are making videos and then never using it again. It's horrible
Benn Jordan's video opened my eyes to just how much money can be made via the affiliate system and I can understand why so many channels get sucked into churning out paid content, but those videos leave me feeling empty. I love your video tutorials that AREN'T just shilling. Please don't ever turn into a shopping channel!
I did buy once a zplane plugin...and never will again, some musician told me to get it, 50 bucks down the drain as it did not do what he told me that it does. So now I stopped buying stuff when someone tells its dope . When it comes to content creators some actually want you to buy stuff (most of them^^) I just now watch to make my own opinion if it is useful or not
Well the new version of Peel finally lives up to it's original promise but you gotta pay for an upgrade if you had the original. It now has stem separation in addition to the visual bandpass filter. It's finally useful now.
LOL... bass mixed to the left. That spectrograph looks very specifically made for this plugin right away.
deceptive marketing is marketing
As an indie game developer, I've been immersing myself in the world of music for a little over a month now. While my focus lies primarily on creating sound effects and other smaller elements, transitioning from the game development community to the music community has been quite a culture shock for me. I've found myself constantly pondering: Is the music community accepting of such practices? It seems like scams are lurking around every corner, and their claims are as nonsensical as those exaggerated TV-shop commercials from the 90s.
Join the open source crowd. A whole lot less grifters over here :-) surge, vital, airwindows, vcvrack, cardinal
because most music producers are not as knowledgable about sound and it isn't that concrete, they wont be able to know the difference between products based on actual evidence. most of the time we pick stuff to use because "it sounds good" which is subject to change by time and also influenced easily by UI and marketing.
As someone who uses samples (allegedly). I kinda saw right through this plugin.
White Sea Studios has long since sold out. The fact that he has to say that the makers of the plug-in have "no say" in his review, and then goes on to give it a good review every time, with one minor criticism, says it all.
And then says decapitator is snake oil.
@@Genital.Wartzenegger Isn't decapitator the #1 rated distortion unit of all time?
@@Arcessitor it has to be up there.
Back in the day, I use to go to the music store and play with synths and gear for hours. I'd ultimately make up my own mind. Nowadays there are too many people just buying gear because someone on the net said it was good. It's ok to check out new gear through influences, but always try before you buy. If they don't give you enough time to evaluate a new plugin, then just keep walking.
UA-cam is literally suggesting that White Sea Studio video to me beside your video 🤣
All creators are selling something. No one is online purely from the goodness of their heart.
Keep up with calling all this shit out. FL Gang gang
The only advice I can suggest for the future is try the demo before. I’ve fallen foul of scams like this with virtual instruments which have looked amazing in UA-cam videos but when I’ve gone to use them have been a pile of you know what!
U got the ANA synth didnt u? 😂
@@josephschmizzo1595 no lol! Never fell for that one!!! 😂
@@jasonwhitecomposer LMAOOO 😂 glad u didnt!
Been using that awhile as a filter. (I knew it was a filter when I trialed it. Zplane should have advertised it as what it is from the get-go (a filter).
can see this being of some use in bringing different sounds out from a field recording. but i get you, they arent even marketing it for stuff like that it seems.
I’ve had peel for about a year now and I’ve only used it once in that year
I saw this some time back…but seriously my spidey sense said no , this ain’t gonna work, I still don’t get all the results from IRIS 2 Sampler but it’s zillion time better even though it’s not live input. The spectral ANALyser graphics got some of us hoodwinked and bamboozled 😂
I've bought 2 different Z Plane plugins Tonic and deCoda. Unless I'm using Tonic wrong, it's trash. I thought it would be way better at finding the key of sounds, but it's sketch at best. deCoda kind of did what I wanted, but it really didn't do it as well as I wanted. I basically wanted it to make midi from samples, and it does it, but it's not exactly cut and dry, it gets a little glitchy, and I can do what it does with other free plugins and sites, plus Ableton. I doubt if I'll ever buy another zplane plugin, due to my experience with their products. They remind me of the toy commercials from when I was a kid, where the commercial made the toy seem way better than it actually was.
It does have a demo, so..... I'm not sure i've ever bought a plugin that i haven't demoed first. But i hear you man, it's supremely wack and deceitful business.
I’m not fl gang. But I be staying watching you. I do appreciate this content.
I stepped away from from producing for a couple of years as I had a baby. When I came back into it December last year I was pretty disgusted with the state of the scene. Nearly every production video has become a shill for samples and vsts. It's like the love and energy has dissapeared.
funny, this video made me want to buy this plugin even more because it looks useful for my spesific needs
You know what's deceptively marketed however free: AI enhance of Adobe Podcast. You see the "independent" videos by content creators and it sounds amazing. With real life material it sounds totally different to the source material, it was trained on English speech, so gets really funny with any other language. I use it currently to make glitch vocals with it, it's so not ready yet.
Thanks you for the heads up 😎
That shit sounds like a cell phone call with music in the background
keep keeping it real. you're one of the top tier "producer" UA-camrs. Don't let that green screen console behind him fool you people! Weaver is out there spending his money on lame plug-ins so you don't have to.
It's kind of crazy white seas is always talking about snake oil
"music production community" there's your first problem.. the whole 'producer' thing is fake and gay, just like the music industry is fake and gay. Ironically the vast majority of the people calling themselves 'producers' produce nothing of any redeeming quality, if they produce anything at all. It's just people being cajoled in to another niche of mindless consumerism by pandering to their desire for artistic relevance. What's equally annoying is how 'producer' and 'artist' are now the accepted terms to rationalize people churning out this crap, because in reality, none of them are musicians.
Peel is a spectral filter is nifty on experimental music
Does it really only have a 5 minute trial 🤣
I find it hilarious that I never even heard of that plugin. Most people just promote me the most well known stuff like pro q and serum. Other than that I just use the free trial and put off purchasing until I really need it. Honestly free trials on vsts are super handy, considering everything else is buy in first try it later
This video is a great service. For most at home producers with enough cash to spare for whatever plugins are out there, it would be helpful to understand what the best plugins are for certain common tasks (e.g., compression, EQ, distortion, etc,), as well as choices where you may want different plugins, depending upon the track (e.g., reverb). Yes, these lists somewhat overlap.
After you have the best of these in your arsenal, realize that most of the gimmick plugins (like the one in this video) either: a) make certain standard operations easier in some situations, or b) allow you to manipulate your sound in different (usually unnatural) ways.
Most of us would be best served to start with the stock plugins in your DAW of choice, and look for plugins when the stock ones are not great, or when a truly breakthrough plugin happens (e.g., Fab Filter’s Pro-Q 3).
Thanks for exposing the grift. Many of these UA-cam content creators have built a niche (I have watched a lot of both Whitesea and Sanjay C videos), and bought many of the recommended plugins. I can second that, unless you are already looking for a certain type of plugin, most of these sit gathering virtual dust. Thanks again.
Roland released an almost identical standalone program a decade ago called "R-Mix". It was cool at the time, but had all the same problems including heavy artifacts and limited uses.
yes Weaver - great stuff! :)
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I got this junk too, what a rip-off.
It's been that way for many years now.
I actually got deceived with this one about a year ago myself
👍🏾 keep doing you ❤👍🏾 this is very helpful
I just recently unsubscribe from many of those channels like White Sea studio when I realized they start with “ the problem with the industry is” and at the end of the video “and here is a plug in that fix it”
The worst one is the recent one titled “I need to tell you something”
Starts with “no snake oil” then there’s a snake oil at the end of the video