Jean-Michel Labadie of Gojira also mentioned a great point in an interview when asked about his live performances. In studio it might often be more useful to slow down some bass arrangements to ensure a more solid bottom end instead of just following the kick drum rhythms - but if you do the same thing live you lose a lot of the energy in your performance. Perhaps Paul just wanted to echo the chaotic high energy that embodies Slipknot live shows instead of playing the more intricate arrangements. What do you think?
@@krms2504 The mask probably plays a big part on it! Personally I think most professionals should be able to perform their songs (perhaps with the exception of guitar solos) even blindfolded, but it does add an extra level of challenge. Especially when moving on stage like Paul did.
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Chances are, there are two or more bass tracks recorded and stack on each other, or purposely chosen. In that case you would have to pick an choose which you are going to follow when playing live.
There are no more than one track playing at any time on the original song. Unless you mean that the final performance is edited together from those tracks, which in my opinion doesn't really make much sense. It's twice the work and if you don't focus on making both tracks the best versions of themselves you risk getting a worse end result.
Everything you said in this video is 100% correct. I watched a clip of Vman and the new drummer Eloy playing wait and bleed by themselves before a concert and I noticed Vman plays a simplified version of that song as well. Great bass tone by the way!
Awesome. I loved this. Why anyone would hate this, I don't understand. You analyzed the song and found something nobody else has, and clearly you're a fan. You have a great ear.
Finally someone Is taking about this. I noticed those little details When I first wanted to learn this song on bass back When I was like 15 but When I saw the UA-cam covers and the video of Paul, noticed they were all missing those little details. Thank you!
That tone is to die for. I love my D-ROC (4 string tuned A-E-A-D) I am with you here. Using these small parts sparingly adds so much colour to the songs
Hypothesis about the changed intro line: Paul wrote the bass part the way he played it live, but the engineer/producer on the album session suggested the change. So it ended up on the album, but was never adopted as the "common" way of playing the song.
That's probably the case here for most of these except for the second half of the verse! And that can also be simply because it would be hard to play that with a mask
I don't remember where did I learn to play this song, but I was taught all of what you showcased here and I was also confused when I saw Paul playing it, but I wasn't able to play the verse riff when I learnt it so I didn't learn that part… I think I'm now ready for it!
I've always noticed the differences in the chorus, I think even in his DVD Paul played it "wrong", but the other stuff really blew my mind. I mean, live versions are live versions for a reason, but one thing is to add something, other thing - is to take something away
I think it would be cool to continue this series for other Slipknot Songs, for example left behind. All the bass tabs are Mostly wrong on what Paul originally played on the album. The isolated tracks is out there. So it would be cool if you would do it With this song and other ones
The Studio Version is more challenging to play than the Live Version...specially if you have to synchronize with Joey's drums. Maybe that would explain why Paul changed it.
There's a few songs my band has where my original bass parts I recorded have almost no influence on what I play live, simply because I prefer what I play now to what I played when we first wrote the songs
Nice video mate! When we did our cover of Before I Forget, we realised there were isolated tracks on UA-cam already, so used those as a reference. So helpful, but Moises is awesome too. I love how unedited his takes are too, really adds to the magic of the track (and the album as a whole).
that octave stuff really adds to the vibe of the track. Paul Gray probably did write the basic riff n maybe one of the guitarists over-dubbed some lead bass parts. Engineer heard it like "bet"
Hahaha crazy thing… Last year I got the opportunity to experience Slipknot Material live the very first time via Corey Taylor at the Rock Am Ring Festival. Even better now that I know the first time I got to hear Duality was the only technically "right" way XD Props to the Bassman Elliot \m/
I think a lot of tabs are made by guitarists who don't really listen to the bass and just add something. Recently I corrected a tab of Bodom After Midnight - Pain the Sky with Blood which had a horrible bass tab, not even the number of strings was right. The subdivisions and root notes were right, but the fills were off or missing or made more difficult
A lot of the tabs out there are made by passionate fans and I really can't fault them for wanting to share the joy of playing their favourite songs 😄 Too bad often the first tabs get copied to all the pages and apps without worry whether it's correct or not
I follow your chanel for a while now and really liked your videos. Until I saw the title of this video. Then I was really pissed at you for ripping on Paul. Then I watched the video. Now I like you again. This a really great lession in writing bass lines - Awesome stuff and keep going!
The reason is because when you record a song you only have a certain amount of frequencies that sound good on certain speakers. So to make it sound good on more speakers, more punchy and aggressive paul would play it higher on record. You are not limted by that and can use all the ranges of frequencies he wants live so he could make it sound more punchier and heavier live while playing it lower live which will also give it more of bassy feel live instead of the punchy mids that the record version has
I love this video so much. I would love to see this continued to cover more popular metal tabs/performances. Would be neat to see a breakdown on Sleep Token tabs. A lot of those are HORRIBLY off from the album version.
Thank you! I have a few Meshuggah songs that I've been meaning to do this for, now that I've got the format together it shouldn't be too hard to get those together!
Putting something on record and playing live is pretty different. I’d imagine you’d just do what sounds best live and usually a little simpler to play while you’re running around on stage wearing a mask 😂 Awesome breakdown, thanks
just listened to multitrack and yeah, thats right. Except the notes in the first part of the verse (lower part) were played one by one, not 16th. You can hear that in Rick Beato's video about this song also. Also sounds like Paul did the recording being not that sober lol
Something to add about Vman and Paul Grey they were both guitars first. Vman was guitar tech for Mastodon and Paul said in an interview that the first band he joined as a bassist he had no clue what he was doing he just played what the guitars would play like fake it until you make it. I know i read somewhere that Paul was kind of deep in his heroin addiction during the recording and it was so bad he would fall asleep when he was recording/ with the internal fighting and the substance abuse almost every member had at that time it was more or less just Paul and Joey that would work on the songs while getting input from Mick and Jim. There is just a slight chance that Paul wrote duality the way you play it but it was just to hard to remember/to play live that they just said fuck it follow the guitars. And with Vman being a guitars first it would be natural for him to learn how to play the guitar parts and then just doing what Paul did follow the guitars. (just a side not here from hearing how Jay rushed liveshow until he was fired it would be even harder to do this bass arrangement with a tempo thats faster and goes up and down as it is not steady)
I am a drumer. And a big fan of Slipknot. I noticed, that the same stuff in live druming. A lot of drum parts are not the same as in album version. Or simplier, or oposite. But I don't like word "wrong". It's just another way. Wrong playing has no musicality
It's great to point out differences in the parts between the studio version and the live version, but I wouldn't go as far as saying playing it different live is WRONG. A song evolves over time, can have different versions (even in the studio), and of course live the song can take a different turn. For instance which bass part is right for "spit it out" ? The one from the original demo version that is actually on the album, or the one from the rerecorded studio version that is only on extended editions of the album and that only a few people know, or the live version which has been played for like 25 years ? And if it is the live version, which one ? The Paul one or the vman one ? Etc... On the other hand, there definitely are "re-arrangements" of song parts that i don't like. For instance i wish that Eloy would play regular blast bleats on parts where there was (studio versions and live versions by Joey and Jay) a regular blast beat, because i think it sounds better for the song during those parts. I also don't like how Mick started to recently play the Eyeless intro differently than before, because it sounds so weird to me after being used to hear it a certain way for 25 years :) On the other hand, i don't mind hearing Incubus re-arrange their classic songs live because the way they do it is just brilliant.
I'm not even a bassist but absolutely love this breakdown. And I am totally not stealing Slipknot's idea for 2 guitars - 1 bass harmonies for my band, no sir 😇😇
There's a Norwegian band called Extol who also uses those three part harmonies here and there, a good example would be the verse in A Gift Beyond Human Reach :) Happy copying!
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At first I was angry, because of the title (good job, you've baited me). After watching I realized same stuff, sometimes my bass parts are not like they're were on studio recordings, and sometimes freestyling live are way more fun) Here we have an opposite way, Paul had fun with songwriting and recording, but optimised his live stuff
I don't understand why some people are so resistant to the idea of the original writers of a song making a "mistake". Jim Root teaches the intro psychosocial riff completely wrong on the internet, and you can confirm it by watching it live AND listening to the recording. However the comments are full of "are you trying to correct them on how to play their own song?". Sometimes good musicians just make mistakes, it happens, and it's not that big of a deal.
Great video, all points made very well. The only point i can make is that the 'k' in 'Slipknot' is silent. But your English is far better than my Finnish so i almost feel rude pointing it out!
13:10 "vman... He would have to learn the songs from the recorded material" Not necessarily, and it can actually in certain cases be a bad move to do so.
I wouldn't be surprised if Paul simply forgot what he played on the album, and that's why he just followed the guitars. I've forgotten the bass line to pretty much every song I've ever recorded within just a couple of weeks. Whenever I'm asked to play a song that I haven't played for a couple of years, I always need to either go back and listen to the original recording and try to figure out what I played, or I just listen to what the guitarist is playing and come up with something new.
That's true! And especially if those recordings weren't readily available, you'd just follow the guitars. I know I've probably done the same thing a thousand times at this point
Lol, I never noticed that. Personally, I think Paul Gray plays it wrong because that bass trick (or feature) was actually created by the producer, Rick Rubin. So most likely, Paul either didn’t remember or just didn’t care how it was supposed to be played.
I wouldn't necessarily say that those licks were created by Rubin, but in my opinion it was definitely Rubin that asked them to figure out something like that. Which is odd because according to Corey, Rubin only visited the studio a few times since he was busy with other projects
I would make the hesitant speculation that what's happened here is a classic case of the guitarists have stepped in to record the bass parts on the day because Paul maybe wasn't getting it done quick enough or was having a performative block in his playing. Harmonising the guitar riff that way strikes me as a guitarist's idea, or the producer. I could be totally wrong. I've just seen this happen a lot.
As a bassist of an originals band, I can say we often simply "don't really care" about playing a specific part, whatever the instrument is, in a very specific way that also happens to end up in the final recording. Fans hold the recordings of the songs they like very dearly as something that should be unchanged. Musicians tend to look at their own work more in terms of general "concepts". It's our own expression and sometimes we feel like expressing differently.
That is also true, but especially for something so special as the second half of the verse I would make sure that it's also played live 😄 All the rest can be down to just new artistic expression in my opinion
Well guess could say this about any live performance to recording. Always changes cause playing same thing for decades would get stale. And I have that dvd.
I still take umbrage with your wording of them playing it wrong. They just are not playing the slbum track as you know it and love it. Doesn't make it wrong. Otherwise, love the breakdown and look forward to more content from you.
When you came up with that title did you expect more meatheads to react so literally to it? I have to say, 99% of all these comments got what you were going for, which is a damn good record for youtube. I've seen lots of content creators talk about bands playing riffs 'wrong' live (Metallica comes to mind) and point out how differently certain riffs are played live versus on the album. Not once did I ever think the video was accusing an artist of forgetting or consistently making a mistake, and there was always a justification or suggesting for why that might be the case, like adapting something complicated for consistent live performance/comfort. I think if Paul was alive he would be embarassed to get triggered by that title. This is youtube, the title and thumbnail is very literally how you hook people.
It sounds like it was played by different people. Could it be that they had any session musicians during the recording? Or Rick Rubin did some magic on mixing? This album for me is actually where the band shifted somewhere I don't like, and overall got more boring.
From the live footage that I've seen it seems that he too plays it just like Paul did, aka with the simplified intro and without the second half for the verse
Despite the clickbaity and WRONG (for real) title, great analysis of the differences between the original studio version and the live version. This song is a blast to play on bass, and also quite challenging indeed.
@@ilmariponkala it is in the sense that only the artist can tell which version (demo version, final studio version, rerecorded studio version, live version 1, live version 2) is the RIGHT one, if there is even such a thing.
Many artists play their music differently in live, thats nothing new. Some even play it slower, or even in different tunings. Some bands go crazy in studio with vocals so they lower the key a half tone for live. Band may get exhausted after a long set etc. The more appropriate thing to say would be that he doesn't play wrong but differently.
It's true that we don't have the authority to call anything an artist does to their song "wrong", but "Paul Gray plays Duality different live and on the album" isn't that great title for a video 😂
@@Paajanenae ""Paul Gray plays Duality different live and on the album" isn't that great title for a video " You could have called it something less wrong (pun intended) and less clickbaity though.
@ live! That’s the essence of bands…live performance. Bottom line if he wrote it he can tweak it for a studio setting or a live setting as he wishes…I’m sure there was a reason for the change..maybe you can figure that out for us.
Usually in a recording one has more time to record it correctly. Why would the song be released if it is not good enough from their own perspective. However playing live as per the recording or even improving on it can be very challenging. Of course if a moment of inspiration hits you the artist will play even better. But to understand a song it is perhaps better with recording as the artist takes their time and composes it recording/release worthy. Live is always a thing of the moment…
Jean-Michel Labadie of Gojira also mentioned a great point in an interview when asked about his live performances. In studio it might often be more useful to slow down some bass arrangements to ensure a more solid bottom end instead of just following the kick drum rhythms - but if you do the same thing live you lose a lot of the energy in your performance. Perhaps Paul just wanted to echo the chaotic high energy that embodies Slipknot live shows instead of playing the more intricate arrangements.
What do you think?
One reason would be , that playing with a pick mask would be really hard playing those parts, especially those sustained notes and harmony parts
I appreciate the attention to detail! Like your Combustion video. Cool beans, I think both approaches are valid for live shows.
@@krms2504 The mask probably plays a big part on it! Personally I think most professionals should be able to perform their songs (perhaps with the exception of guitar solos) even blindfolded, but it does add an extra level of challenge. Especially when moving on stage like Paul did.
Chances are, there are two or more bass tracks recorded and stack on each other, or purposely chosen. In that case you would have to pick an choose which you are going to follow when playing live.
There are no more than one track playing at any time on the original song. Unless you mean that the final performance is edited together from those tracks, which in my opinion doesn't really make much sense. It's twice the work and if you don't focus on making both tracks the best versions of themselves you risk getting a worse end result.
this was such a cool breakdown. Also your tone is absolute money
We'll need to do a tone breakdown too!
Everything you said in this video is 100% correct. I watched a clip of Vman and the new drummer Eloy playing wait and bleed by themselves before a concert and I noticed Vman plays a simplified version of that song as well. Great bass tone by the way!
Thank you! It would be interesting to tackle Wait and Bleed too in the future, we'll see!
@@Paajanenae Like Duality (and some other Slipknot songs), there is a proper bass track for Wait and Bleed from the Rockband games.
Thank you for your diligence to playing accurate bass tabs
You're welcome!
Awesome. I loved this. Why anyone would hate this, I don't understand. You analyzed the song and found something nobody else has, and clearly you're a fan. You have a great ear.
Hahah, we're all just passionate about the music here! No hate 😄
Finally someone Is taking about this. I noticed those little details When I first wanted to learn this song on bass back When I was like 15 but When I saw the UA-cam covers and the video of Paul, noticed they were all missing those little details. Thank you!
“Finally someone is talking about this” 🤣 You can’t be serious.
That tone is to die for. I love my D-ROC (4 string tuned A-E-A-D) I am with you here. Using these small parts sparingly adds so much colour to the songs
Thank you! Indeed things like these can add a ton to otherwise pretty rigid songs
Hypothesis about the changed intro line: Paul wrote the bass part the way he played it live, but the engineer/producer on the album session suggested the change. So it ended up on the album, but was never adopted as the "common" way of playing the song.
That's probably the case here for most of these except for the second half of the verse! And that can also be simply because it would be hard to play that with a mask
But we should still blame it all on guitarists retracking everything after the bassist went home. Just to be safe
Man that bass tone is gnarly! So satisfying 🤘
Thank you!💜
The album track sounds more like what I feel like a “live” version would end up being for a bassist. Great video outlining this!
That's true! Usually the more you perform or practice a song with a band the more ideas you get for it.
You're a phenomenal player and I love the background music my guy. Lovely time spent here
@@joshmahan2587 Thank you! 🥰
I don't remember where did I learn to play this song, but I was taught all of what you showcased here and I was also confused when I saw Paul playing it, but I wasn't able to play the verse riff when I learnt it so I didn't learn that part… I think I'm now ready for it!
Rocking video brother 🤘🏻🎸🔥 thank you for this
I've always noticed the differences in the chorus, I think even in his DVD Paul played it "wrong", but the other stuff really blew my mind. I mean, live versions are live versions for a reason, but one thing is to add something, other thing - is to take something away
Awesome video, I also saw the one where you test the Darkglass infinity. Excellent content. I subscribed
Thank you so much! 💜
I think it would be cool to continue this series for other Slipknot Songs, for example left behind. All the bass tabs are Mostly wrong on what Paul originally played on the album. The isolated tracks is out there. So it would be cool if you would do it With this song and other ones
I am planning on continuing this series! Next up we'll be tackling Meshuggah though :)
I don't think I've ever seen one completely correct tab online.
The Studio Version is more challenging to play than the Live Version...specially if you have to synchronize with Joey's drums. Maybe that would explain why Paul changed it.
need more of these kinds of videos, this is awesome!
There's a few songs my band has where my original bass parts I recorded have almost no influence on what I play live, simply because I prefer what I play now to what I played when we first wrote the songs
Great bass tone and playing and explanation of the parts
Nice video mate! When we did our cover of Before I Forget, we realised there were isolated tracks on UA-cam already, so used those as a reference. So helpful, but Moises is awesome too. I love how unedited his takes are too, really adds to the magic of the track (and the album as a whole).
that octave stuff really adds to the vibe of the track. Paul Gray probably did write the basic riff n maybe one of the guitarists over-dubbed some lead bass parts. Engineer heard it like "bet"
That's beautiful bass and mighty bass sound you got going on there mate!
Glad you've raised awareness on this. 😆 I covered it a while back following his OG bass line
Hahaha crazy thing… Last year I got the opportunity to experience Slipknot Material live the very first time via Corey Taylor at the Rock Am Ring Festival. Even better now that I know the first time I got to hear Duality was the only technically "right" way XD Props to the Bassman Elliot \m/
What preamp are you using for your bass? Spectacular tone!
It's a capture of my pedalboard, I've got an entire video on the pedalboard from last year and I'll talk about the captures soonish, I hope 😄
Interesting! Thanks for sharing your findings!
always bothered me when i would notice a band changed how they playa song. most would never know, but when you do know, it bugs you
I never noticed but I heard the song and you are right! Btw that tone is amazing
dude your bass sounds great!
I think a lot of tabs are made by guitarists who don't really listen to the bass and just add something.
Recently I corrected a tab of Bodom After Midnight - Pain the Sky with Blood which had a horrible bass tab, not even the number of strings was right. The subdivisions and root notes were right, but the fills were off or missing or made more difficult
A lot of the tabs out there are made by passionate fans and I really can't fault them for wanting to share the joy of playing their favourite songs 😄 Too bad often the first tabs get copied to all the pages and apps without worry whether it's correct or not
Actually Jim root played that in the studio.
I follow your chanel for a while now and really liked your videos. Until I saw the title of this video. Then I was really pissed at you for ripping on Paul. Then I watched the video. Now I like you again. This a really great lession in writing bass lines - Awesome stuff and keep going!
Hahah thank you for watching until the end! I really appreciate it.
The reason is because when you record a song you only have a certain amount of frequencies that sound good on certain speakers. So to make it sound good on more speakers, more punchy and aggressive paul would play it higher on record. You are not limted by that and can use all the ranges of frequencies he wants live so he could make it sound more punchier and heavier live while playing it lower live which will also give it more of bassy feel live instead of the punchy mids that the record version has
I love this video so much. I would love to see this continued to cover more popular metal tabs/performances.
Would be neat to see a breakdown on Sleep Token tabs. A lot of those are HORRIBLY off from the album version.
Thank you! I have a few Meshuggah songs that I've been meaning to do this for, now that I've got the format together it shouldn't be too hard to get those together!
@@Paajanenae I would love to see you doing videos in this format more frequently, this one was really interesting.
Putting something on record and playing live is pretty different. I’d imagine you’d just do what sounds best live and usually a little simpler to play while you’re running around on stage wearing a mask 😂
Awesome breakdown, thanks
just listened to multitrack and yeah, thats right. Except the notes in the first part of the verse (lower part) were played one by one, not 16th. You can hear that in Rick Beato's video about this song also.
Also sounds like Paul did the recording being not that sober lol
Yeah the quality of the recording was... not really that great. But I guess they weren't really the most sober bunch at that time anyway :P
Something to add about Vman and Paul Grey they were both guitars first. Vman was guitar tech for Mastodon and Paul said in an interview that the first band he joined as a bassist he had no clue what he was doing he just played what the guitars would play like fake it until you make it.
I know i read somewhere that Paul was kind of deep in his heroin addiction during the recording and it was so bad he would fall asleep when he was recording/ with the internal fighting and the substance abuse almost every member had at that time it was more or less just Paul and Joey that would work on the songs while getting input from Mick and Jim.
There is just a slight chance that Paul wrote duality the way you play it but it was just to hard to remember/to play live that they just said fuck it follow the guitars.
And with Vman being a guitars first it would be natural for him to learn how to play the guitar parts and then just doing what Paul did follow the guitars.
(just a side not here from hearing how Jay rushed liveshow until he was fired it would be even harder to do this bass arrangement with a tempo thats faster and goes up and down as it is not steady)
He might have forgotten what he played on the recording tbf. Gray had a serious heroin addiction during Vol. 3 and was falling asleep while tracking.
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I think Paul did play it as it is on record when he jam with roy mayorga
In that jam Paul plays all over the place but mostly follows what he plays live
I'll save you 17 minutes:
Sometimes in studio you record arrangements you don't remember and get stuck playing the basic riff
I am a drumer. And a big fan of Slipknot. I noticed, that the same stuff in live druming. A lot of drum parts are not the same as in album version. Or simplier, or oposite. But I don't like word "wrong". It's just another way. Wrong playing has no musicality
3:45 Damn, actually you're right! first note in intro plays octave up! I remembered this right away
Yes! It's a very stylish little move
It's great to point out differences in the parts between the studio version and the live version, but I wouldn't go as far as saying playing it different live is WRONG.
A song evolves over time, can have different versions (even in the studio), and of course live the song can take a different turn.
For instance which bass part is right for "spit it out" ? The one from the original demo version that is actually on the album, or the one from the rerecorded studio version that is only on extended editions of the album and that only a few people know, or the live version which has been played for like 25 years ? And if it is the live version, which one ? The Paul one or the vman one ?
Etc...
On the other hand, there definitely are "re-arrangements" of song parts that i don't like.
For instance i wish that Eloy would play regular blast bleats on parts where there was (studio versions and live versions by Joey and Jay) a regular blast beat, because i think it sounds better for the song during those parts.
I also don't like how Mick started to recently play the Eyeless intro differently than before, because it sounds so weird to me after being used to hear it a certain way for 25 years :)
On the other hand, i don't mind hearing Incubus re-arrange their classic songs live because the way they do it is just brilliant.
I'm not even a bassist but absolutely love this breakdown. And I am totally not stealing Slipknot's idea for 2 guitars - 1 bass harmonies for my band, no sir 😇😇
There's a Norwegian band called Extol who also uses those three part harmonies here and there, a good example would be the verse in A Gift Beyond Human Reach :) Happy copying!
@@Paajanenae Thanks for the recommendation! Off to hear their entire discography lol
@@XJR15ftw they're INCREDIBLE if you can get past all the Jesus 😂
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What rig are you using for that bass? What a godlike rattle
It's a capture of my pedalboard! I've got a video about the board and what goes into it on the channel as well :)
At first I was angry, because of the title (good job, you've baited me). After watching I realized same stuff, sometimes my bass parts are not like they're were on studio recordings, and sometimes freestyling live are way more fun) Here we have an opposite way, Paul had fun with songwriting and recording, but optimised his live stuff
What a tone!
I like the recorded version. More dynamic, like something mudvayne would do
Okay but what does Corey Taylor think about how people play Duality?
I love your communique precision. Actually, the precision is not limited to communication!
I don't understand why some people are so resistant to the idea of the original writers of a song making a "mistake". Jim Root teaches the intro psychosocial riff completely wrong on the internet, and you can confirm it by watching it live AND listening to the recording. However the comments are full of "are you trying to correct them on how to play their own song?".
Sometimes good musicians just make mistakes, it happens, and it's not that big of a deal.
Just came here to say your bass tone is fucking incredible.
Thank you! 🥰
Amazing!!! 🤘
Great video, all points made very well. The only point i can make is that the 'k' in 'Slipknot' is silent. But your English is far better than my Finnish so i almost feel rude pointing it out!
Hahah, thank you for pointing that out! There are no silent 'k's in Finnish so those tend to slip past my English filter :)
13:10 "vman... He would have to learn the songs from the recorded material"
Not necessarily, and it can actually in certain cases be a bad move to do so.
Great video, I love this stuff. Also funny, and in the theme of this video is how you pronounce Slipknot wrong - the "k" is silent
So you're saying that "slipknot", the knot that slips is pronounced as slip-not?? That's just bad branding 😂😂 jk
Btw here you can find the isolated original bass part: ua-cam.com/video/J0Ahr-rs0x8/v-deo.htmlsi=P5bSoiX4_MIblJsS
Thank you for the link! And my god that is not what I'd give a pass these days 😅
I wouldn't be surprised if Paul simply forgot what he played on the album, and that's why he just followed the guitars. I've forgotten the bass line to pretty much every song I've ever recorded within just a couple of weeks. Whenever I'm asked to play a song that I haven't played for a couple of years, I always need to either go back and listen to the original recording and try to figure out what I played, or I just listen to what the guitarist is playing and come up with something new.
That's true! And especially if those recordings weren't readily available, you'd just follow the guitars. I know I've probably done the same thing a thousand times at this point
Lol, I never noticed that.
Personally, I think Paul Gray plays it wrong because that bass trick (or feature) was actually created by the producer, Rick Rubin. So most likely, Paul either didn’t remember or just didn’t care how it was supposed to be played.
I wouldn't necessarily say that those licks were created by Rubin, but in my opinion it was definitely Rubin that asked them to figure out something like that. Which is odd because according to Corey, Rubin only visited the studio a few times since he was busy with other projects
I would make the hesitant speculation that what's happened here is a classic case of the guitarists have stepped in to record the bass parts on the day because Paul maybe wasn't getting it done quick enough or was having a performative block in his playing. Harmonising the guitar riff that way strikes me as a guitarist's idea, or the producer. I could be totally wrong. I've just seen this happen a lot.
It's definitely a thing! I had that as a possibility in my script but decided to leave it out at the last moment
That bass tone!
As a bassist of an originals band, I can say we often simply "don't really care" about playing a specific part, whatever the instrument is, in a very specific way that also happens to end up in the final recording.
Fans hold the recordings of the songs they like very dearly as something that should be unchanged. Musicians tend to look at their own work more in terms of general "concepts". It's our own expression and sometimes we feel like expressing differently.
That is also true, but especially for something so special as the second half of the verse I would make sure that it's also played live 😄 All the rest can be down to just new artistic expression in my opinion
Holy shit, didn't know Ricky Gervais was a metalhead
Not this shit again 😂
That bass tone though, bro wtf
Always bring your A-game 😎😂
Well guess could say this about any live performance to recording. Always changes cause playing same thing for decades would get stale. And I have that dvd.
Oh what a bass tone! Reminds me of Rex Brown that has the best tone ever!
Maybe just ask him why he changed jt
Brb getting my ouija board out
I still take umbrage with your wording of them playing it wrong. They just are not playing the slbum track as you know it and love it. Doesn't make it wrong.
Otherwise, love the breakdown and look forward to more content from you.
In my opinion it's just the easiest way of tackling the subject, hence the disclaimer at the start of the video :)
Soooo how about the original album bass track: ua-cam.com/video/G7w4ue22mpE/v-deo.html
A lot of bass players just don't care to spend the time learning the song and play what they want
I like the studio version better gives way more tension and energy 😈🦋⚡️
It does!
0:39 Varg Vikernes😂😂
Very cool!!!
i think it was recorded on a 5 string
Four string bass tuned down to drop-B
Didn’t Paul Gray play in some weird tunings that were completely different from the rest of the band?
Technically he played wrong all the time.
@@NRobertAlexander I haven't found any evidence of that, but he plays this song in Drop B, same as the guitarists.
" Didn’t Paul Gray play in some weird tunings that were completely different from the rest of the band?"
Never heard of this... Source ?
@@djabthrash It was a rumor I heard when I was a teen. Could be total bull, never arsed to proof check.
@@NRobertAlexander Pretty sure it was BS because it makes zero sense :)
epic.
cool stuff!
When you came up with that title did you expect more meatheads to react so literally to it? I have to say, 99% of all these comments got what you were going for, which is a damn good record for youtube.
I've seen lots of content creators talk about bands playing riffs 'wrong' live (Metallica comes to mind) and point out how differently certain riffs are played live versus on the album. Not once did I ever think the video was accusing an artist of forgetting or consistently making a mistake, and there was always a justification or suggesting for why that might be the case, like adapting something complicated for consistent live performance/comfort.
I think if Paul was alive he would be embarassed to get triggered by that title. This is youtube, the title and thumbnail is very literally how you hook people.
Hahah to be honest I fully expected to be drawn and quartered for this 😂
It sounds like it was played by different people.
Could it be that they had any session musicians during the recording? Or Rick Rubin did some magic on mixing?
This album for me is actually where the band shifted somewhere I don't like, and overall got more boring.
If it was played by different people it was probably the guitarists
I think V-Man playis Duality correct because at the time he was the guitar tech of Slipknot
From the live footage that I've seen it seems that he too plays it just like Paul did, aka with the simplified intro and without the second half for the verse
He was the guitar tech during LIVE shows, not in the studio (i guess not at least) ...
so basically just a matter of octaves. no big deal
It was not an oil can, it was a beer keg))))
Ach, sadly I only had samples for oil cans 😔😂
Your tone rips, man.
Btw, hail to the cat in the back.. 😸
Hahah, a necessity in any studio!
@@Paajanenae 🫶🏼😊
Thats certainly an anomaly :D
Paul grey aint playin it anymore so that's out the window
Damn
There's a bass in Slipknot?
oil can meets baseball bat lol))
Believe or not, that's the actual source for the sample used there 😂 We had fun in our studio one day
I love not playing that song
Glad someone did a video about this. I noticed these discrepancies when I worked on my cover too! Killer bass tone by the way.
Thank you! 🥰
How condescending are you, he wrote the song...and can play it easier or different if he chose to for bordom or comfort reasons
Despite the clickbaity and WRONG (for real) title, great analysis of the differences between the original studio version and the live version.
This song is a blast to play on bass, and also quite challenging indeed.
The title is not wrong by the way
@@ilmariponkala it is in the sense that only the artist can tell which version (demo version, final studio version, rerecorded studio version, live version 1, live version 2) is the RIGHT one, if there is even such a thing.
Many artists play their music differently in live, thats nothing new. Some even play it slower, or even in different tunings. Some bands go crazy in studio with vocals so they lower the key a half tone for live. Band may get exhausted after a long set etc. The more appropriate thing to say would be that he doesn't play wrong but differently.
It's true that we don't have the authority to call anything an artist does to their song "wrong", but "Paul Gray plays Duality different live and on the album" isn't that great title for a video 😂
@@Paajanenae ""Paul Gray plays Duality different live and on the album" isn't that great title for a video "
You could have called it something less wrong (pun intended) and less clickbaity though.
The title of your video is so ludicrous I'm not even going to watch it long enough for you to explain yourself.
Aw :(
stop the clickbait...paul gray wrote it...if your not playing it like him then your not playing it right
Good point! Which Paul Gray should we follow then, the one on the album or the one playing it live? 😄
@ live! That’s the essence of bands…live performance. Bottom line if he wrote it he can tweak it for a studio setting or a live setting as he wishes…I’m sure there was a reason for the change..maybe you can figure that out for us.
@@OnThaCode I did propose multiple possible scenarios in the video
@@Paajanenaelive
Usually in a recording one has more time to record it correctly. Why would the song be released if it is not good enough from their own perspective. However playing live as per the recording or even improving on it can be very challenging.
Of course if a moment of inspiration hits you the artist will play even better. But to understand a song it is perhaps better with recording as the artist takes their time and composes it recording/release worthy.
Live is always a thing of the moment…
He wrote the baseline ya tool.
Not sure why any grown-ass adult would care who’s playing Duality wrong. 😂
Not sure what ass-growing has to do with it 😂