Exposing the Quran's LIES About Jesus' Disciples
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- The Quran claims Jesus' disciples were the first Muslims. But what if their teachings directly contradicted Islam? This video dives into a surprising inconsistency that challenges the Islamic narrative. We'll explore Quran verses, the role of Paul the Apostle, and how early Christianity clashes with Islamic beliefs.
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For the naysayers, I go into depth on Paul's conversion here
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Evil matches Good in likeness, its a counterfeit that deceives appearance. Paul was a loser, nothing he set out to do ever bore fruit. Jesus said those who are not fruitful and multiplying are imposters and you should judge them based on results not effort, not intentions, not the process. The last part of the Bible is error checking, winners do not hide mistakes they gaze upon it. Newcomers are told to skip to the book of John, the least literate of the disciples and immediately hit Corinthian swamp then read exclusively Paul. You are being lead astray to fail.
At 1:00 he makes a mistake it is Surah 61 Verse 14
Greetings brother from Saint Fana Egypt ☦️🇪🇬 we have survived 1400 years of Arabic islamic invation and genocide. All the glory to our only lord JesusChrist ☦️
Ⲡⲓⲭ̀ⲣⲓⲥⲧⲟⲥ ⲁϥⲧⲱⲛϥ ⲉ̀ⲃⲟⲗ ϧⲉⲛ
@@sigmaohiophonk yea and?
@@CatholicaVeritasIndonesia I’m just pointing out a mistake in the video
Islam is the biggest "trust me bro" Reglion ever made
Either that or Mormonism. Both look really rough upon closer examination.
@@jty1999 combine those two and you get nation of islam
ever heard of a guy named yakub?
It's literally the most deceptive religion on earth. At least other religions openly admit they worship false gods. Muhammad tried to paint his false god as YHWH when it clearly isn't
Aint no bro in islam. Its trust me slave.
@@jty1999 Mormonism is just Islam but nicer and an American rewrote it
When the disciples uttered death threats against their dissenters, Jesus rebuked them. That's all I need to know to accept Christ and reject Islam.
@@moosa86 this is Gethsemane i believe we're referencing. Matthew 26:47-56
@@moosa86
I think he is referring to Luke 9:52-56:
52 And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him; 53 but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem. 54 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?” 55 But Jesus turned and rebuked them. 56 Then he and his disciples went to another village.
When the Arabs of the time threatened "M", he hid behind his wife's skirt and when she wasn't there to defend him, he ran away to another country.
That's all you need to know about the character of "The Prophet".
@@Abaddon777-p5e servants*
@@Abaddon777-p5e i think you misunderstand slaves of those days and Jesus’ overall message. yes He says for them to obey their masters and work unto them as though they’re working for the Lord BUT you have to look at this message in coherence with all of His messages and one of the the MAJOR teachings of the Bible which is LOVE. Jesus says one of the 2 most important commandments is to love your neighbour as yourself. thus a slave master had ought to love his slave as himself. and if you think there’s no description of love there is !! read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 it will show you that love is kind and patient and not rude, not boasting or demanding its own way. my point is a bit of context goes a long way. verses in isolation in ANY book can be made to look as though they’re false or contradictory. i hope this helped and i pray you’re blessed in Jesus name!!
Without Lies Islam Dies
Mary being addressed as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Amran is the most hilarious blunder of Islam imo
True
The ignorant author of the Quran might have done it confusingly between Miriam and Mary but Uzair/Ezra being the Son of God worshipped by Jews in Surah 9:30 is the most ridiculous claim!😂
@@sm2z24 also the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus's story. It was a legend that was written by a cleric to show how Christianity had conquered the Roman empire and Muhammad thought it was meant to be real
she wasnt from the house of levi, ooops allah made errors. oops yet he is all knowing? hmmm gonna have to call claptrap on that idol pagan god lol
@@mgvilaca Yeah there are more such historical problems throughout the Quran.Gnostic stories of Jesus and Mary,Alexander finding the place of sunset,Haman vizier of the Pharaoh, Pharaoh's drowning in the Red Sea,A Samaritan building the golden Calf,The association of Saul with the Water test story.
The list goes on....
Answering Islam has brilliant articles regarding all of these along with plethora of quran contradictions.
as a former muslim, CHRIST IS LORD
But CHRIST is the LORD! The Authority, the KING!
@@moosa86 that is true however this claim has been debunked by many scholars which Christ Jesus was referred to as lord lord in the Septuagint which is the oldest Greek translation And in that is lord lord not being of respect and honor but being of something more. But I understand what you mean my friend
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@@moosa86 well you are right on that but it also means master and Moses never claimed to be god.
@@moosa86 Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Early and Orthodox Christians: Pray on their knees in prostration
Muhammad: *ctrl c + ctrl v*
Christians: Hey we did that first!
Muslims: Jesus wAs a mUsLIm!! yOu sEe! tHe pRooF iS tHeRE
Jesus was Muslim
@@Cjnw Muslims get baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Had no idea
@@a.ihistory5879 when did the disciples do that? Show me
@@murgiii9556in the bible, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist
@@murgiii9556for more clear understanding, you can see it for yourself in Matthew 3:13
This is exactly why I left Islam and embraced Orthodoxy
Im catholic, but welcome in the fold, Brother!
Yay I’m ex Ismaili who believes in Christ ❤
@@Christ-my-king welcome, both of you! May His love fill you and guide you!
@@TheTemplar168 ☺️❤️
@@Hohenstein1871I’m also Catholic (Roman Catholic)!
According to the quran, Paul is also correct, let's look at what Paul says! "If an angel comes and gives you a false gospel, let them be under God's curse!", now, tell me, how did Mukhammad receive the Quran?
The same way Joseph Smith received his revelations: from a lying angel (maybe even the same one).
In the Quran, it is described that the angel (this angel was said to be Gabriel) who appeared to Muhammad was arrogant and angered- however, in the Bible, Gabriel is said to be peaceful and without arrogance, which tells me that the Quran isn’t adding up.
Jabreel was also a bully towards the illiterate
Also, fun fact I wanted to add: It is said in the Quran that if the prophet preached something false, that his aorta would be cut (Quran 69:43-46), and how did Muhammed die? Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 says: The prophet in his aliment in which he died, used to say, "Oh Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, *I feel as if my aorta is being cut by the poison*".God really has a sense of humor, huh?
@fotisk-sg2sh the Quran still rejects the death and resurrection of Christ which is confirmed by the Old Testament, Paul, the Apostles and Jesus himself so what revelation could Muhammad possibly receive when “revelation” means to make the unknown known and rejects the basics about Jesus lol.
Using NPC-Wojaks for muslims and chads for the apostles, is peak christpilling
Christmaxxing even
@@FritzLeAngel I see that you are firmly on that Christset
@@FritzLeAngelChristmasing
If the disciples were Muslims, then why in the world would they even start Christianity? Another contradiction and senseless claim from the false prophet
Cuz Muhammad was the only one who got the honors duh. The Twelve were trying to jump the gun
No it isn't, Muslims just claim that the apostles created Islam but it was later corrupted. I am Christian btw, but I just think people need to throw away lazy arguments like yours. Also, if you would use stuff from the Bible to show that it wasn't Islam that the apostles started, then they will just claim that the Bible was corrupted and changed as well
@@doomcat6426 exactly. Not only is there no proof of this or it existing, the Quran also has been proven to be corrupt too. On top of that, the Quran says the word of Allah can’t be corrupted, and that the Gospels are said words. Surah 18:27, Surah 6:114-115. And it still makes no sense above the disciples wanting the honors. The Quran says they “submitted”, so why would they suddenly disobey? Also this video just destroys any arguments made anyways. Jesus bless you friend. ✝️❤️
according to the hadiths, the apostles knew allah falsified the crucifixion and that christians are a sin offering for muslims, my theory is that the reason the apostles being muslims started christianity is to cultivate a population of sacrificial lambs for muslimkind
@@Boundless_Border tell me you haven’t watched the video without telling me you haven’t watched the video
Without lies, Islam DIES
That's beautiful! Thank you!!
Same goes for all religions.
@@davepugh2519 Yes! Including the religion of evolution.
@@davepugh2519same goes for Big Bang Theory.
@@DefenderOfChrist_ actually, and they dont want you to know this, but it was actually a priest who came up with the big bang theory and in no way does it disprove or contradict god.
Amazing video🙌 I was raised Mormon and after leaving I almost converted to Islam. Thankfully the lord showed me the truth of biblical Christianity. I think the reason Islam appeals to so many people is it’s appearance of simplicity. They have the Quaran which is “directly from God” they have only Allah (no Trinity) and Muhammad is the last prophet. It is honestly the same kind of sensationalism and supposed “revealing of simple truths” that draws people to Mormonism. I guess that’s why they say Mormonism is Islam for white people 😂
You're not wrong. The text used by Muslims and the text used by Mormons have been influenced to be written by the same organisation: The Society of Jesus, founded by Loyola.
Their *only* mandate is to solidify the power and control of the Papal office.
Glad God wiped the scales from your eyes. His power to fight these delusions are a credit to His glory!
There’s also a growing divide between men and women in Western civilizations that also makes these kind of religions tempting for young men. Since they try to put more constraints on women than what I believe was actually acceptable to God.
Actually to me, the main draw of Mormonism is the incredibly hopeful, merciful, just, and purposeful theological interpretation of the plan of salvation and the afterlife that is offered nowhere else
@@tornadodex1366 Ah yes, you guys also have your own version of taqiyya I see.
@@tornadodex1366 The only salvation is thru Jesus, not some pagan ritualistic behaviour.
Never mind the fact that Muhammad was born around 570.... He was a few years late to the party...
@@moosa86 wrong, John the Baptist lead the way for the lamb of God Yeshua (Jesus). Muhammed isn't anointed, he is in hell.
@@Faithexplorer4376the quran calls the gospel the word of God. If it is fakse so is islam
@@MarkelMathurin lol the koran uses gnostic interpretations of the gospel that were seen as out dated and wrong before he copied them
also, Peter endorsed Paul in his letters
I was hoping he would mention this.
And The disciples of the apostles affirm paul, like clement who was put in place by peter, or John's many apostles
The disciples are not infallible, nor did they know much about what he was doing. He was teaching for 3 years before he briefly met with them, and they seemed to have a big disagreement about whether or not you could eat food that had been sacrificed to idols. Peter insisted that yahweh told us not to. Paul says all food was clean and only people of weak faith needed to abstain for their own conscience.
If his teachings contradict Jesus, that is far more important. And paul contradicts Jesus a LOT. The extent by which the apostles supported him, and why, is heavily based on speculation and presumption towards the early church. But it's pretty explicit that Jesus says one thing and paul contradicts it. A small example that comes to mind, Jesus says "do not call yourself teacher, for you have only one teacher", himself. Paul repeatedly talks himself teacher. Hm.
@@dantosinferne Where does Jesus say not to call someone a teacher? Because Jesus calls many people teacher
@briandiehl9257 Matthew 23:8-13 ; "But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your teacher, and you are all brothers. (...) Do not be called instructors; for One is your Instructor, that is, Christ", quoted from lsb, when warning about exalting yourself. The whole section pretty explicitly is denouncing the exact type of behavior we see from the self-proclaimed "Apostle" and supposedly "appointed" "teacher-of-the-gentiles" Paul (1tim2:7, 2tim1:11)
The more I learn about the Quran the more I'm shocked it survived this long.
Well, what bible version do you read?
Bro, it’s Arabic people. Are we really surprised?
being savage raiders gets y ou far in life.
It was hidden from followers. Most Muslims aren’t native Arab speakers. Literacy rates are low in the Muslim world, people don’t buy or read as many books. Also the Quran is difficult to read because it’s very ADHD in how it jumps around and changes subjects. A lot of verses and stories are randomly scattered (like a puzzle). There’s often no context to anything without Hadiths.
It’s only recently that Hadiths have been translated to English and available on the internet for all to read. So people were lost about why a verse is talking about Zaynab or Mariah the Copt. The Imams would likely hide facts and details depending on the cultural acceptance of practices. For example, they’d lie that Mariah was a wife and not a slave, or that you must be peaceful. Typically in areas that encounter a lot of Christians because they have to not look as bad.
Apostasy laws = 💀
And violence and threats prevents muslims from leaving Islam
Watch Sam Shamoun. He debates muslims on these stuff every day
he doesn't debate, he annihilates them so badly that nobody has the balls to debate him anymore, he is basically begging them at this point to show up.
@@andree1991 Sam Shamoun, GodLogic, Chris at speakers corner, Bob I forget his channel name, Jai and doc, Rob Christian... We got some mighty folks out there on the front lines both in person and online. And by mighty I mean mightily used by the Lord!
Also Christian Prince. He makes mincemeat out of them. 😂 😂 😂
Can't forget good ol david wood and of course hatun tash.
He has not the love of God in him. He is so rude and talks down to people. He also believes you can lose your salvation. But he does refute them well
Also Jesus himself repeatedly called himself God, even associating himself with David's prophecy of the Messiah directly
He also directly indicated that he was the "I AM"
Revelations 21:[7] Jesus said : Those who conquer will inherit these things, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Jesus is God himself
@@Mavyn316 Then why in Matthew 14:23 says that Jesus is praying? Did he pray to himself?
It’s understandable if he’s praying with the apostles, but in the verse he’s praying alone.
Does that still shows that Jesus is God?
@@justagamerwithamoustache5240 He was separated from The Father by being in human form- The Father, The Son, and The Spirit are three and one. It's a complicated relationship but being on Earth as a human Jesus didn't have the same intimate relationship He had with The Father when in heaven, so He was praying to The Father
I know it's confusing but I hope that makes some sense
@@Mavyn316 Is there’s some bible verses to support that?
@@justagamerwithamoustache5240
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”
As Jesus was being crucified, calling to The Father
Allah calls to die for him, Christ calls to live for him !
Allah wants submission from all, Christ offers his love to all !
Allah says he is the best deceiver, Christ proclaims he is the Truth.
@@moosa86 Now who is Jesus praying to? Do Muslims pray to the father
@@moosa86 your point being?
@@moosa86Imagine going to down each and everyone one of these comments just to be wrong
@@moosa86 Jesus Christ was God himself who sacrificed himself on the cross.
@@moosa86 that's all? That Allah sent Jesus to be nailed on the cross? Or do you have a follow up point?
It's so wild how the Quran goes from "Yeah Jews and Christians are Cool" to "Our sins are to be held up and forgiven by being pushed over onto them" LOL
Doesn’t the Quran order Muslims to kill non-Muslims in some cases??
Strawman.
With regard to its meaning, al-Nawawi said in his commentary: “The meaning of this hadeeth is the same as the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah: “For each person there is a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.” When the believer enters Paradise, his place in Hell is taken over by the kaafir because he deserves that because of his kufr. The meaning of the phrase “your ransom from the Fire” is that you could have entered Hell, but this is your ransom because Allaah has decreed a certain number to fill it; when the kuffaar enter Hell because of their kufr and sins, this is like a ransom for the Muslims. With regard to the report, “On the Day of Resurrection, some of the Muslims will come with sins” - Allaah will forgive the Muslims these sins and will absolve them of them, and He will put the like of those sins onto the Jews and Christians because of their kufr and sins. So they will enter Hell because of their own actions, not because of the sins of the Muslims. This report has to be interpreted in this manner, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And no bearer of burdens shall bear another’s burden” [Faatir 35:18]
They're like stone age lef tists. They tell us they respect us while mur dering and ra ping us.
That is one of the greatest proof that Quran is not from God. It's from Muhammad's mood changes.
@@murgiii9556not reading that fake stuff
It’s pretty simple. If I follow islam, it tells me to follow the gospel, if I follow the gospel, I realize the lies of Islam. Islam is self-refuting.
Islam doesn't tell you to follow the gospel that you believe in because the gospels that Christians believe in are authorised by multiple people and it's people words inspired by god (according to Christians) and the gospel the quran talks about was sent to jesus and it was authorized by god not inspired. You have to know how the quran defines the the gospel before talking
@@zephyriaonanime5926 where is this gospel? You have no evidence of it existing. It’s astonishing that not a single shred of this “injeel” is anywhere to be found.
@@noahalban6384 bro firstly it says in your own bible that jesus preached a gospel, it can't be the bible because they didn't exist yet secondly I have to to make the arguement that the quran is the word of god which I can't bother writing here 😭 you watch some othrler video and after you established that you'll have to believe it existed and, i am not even obligated to show it to you because you have no proof it doesnt exist but I have the quran even if you don't believe i have a statement that says it exists
And to add to that Muslims don't need it right because it was for the people of jesus not us so we wouldn't benefit of having it, but if you still want some kind of proof I can argue that the injeel have been corrupted which can be proven, and therefore whatever was before it got corrupted is the injeel, however I don't usually use that argument becaue it doesn't matter with it is here with us today or not we have the quran
@@zephyriaonanime5926The Bible is a collection of books bro, the message of the gospels was written into those books and later compiled into the bible.
My favorite thing is how they call Jesus Muslim, but Jesus drank wine... lol
The Bible says that Jesus drank wine, which also claims that Noah was drunk and naked, and all sorts of slander against otherwise noble and upright human beings…
And as for alcohol consumption, do you recognize that your ability to choose is the embodiment of worship? Asserting your will over another is acting like God, forfeiting your preferences for someone else for no valid reason is worshipping others than God. When you drink you become one of 2 kinds of ppl: a person that is so aggressive that you intend to make ppl bow to you and so you proclaim yourself as god, or you become so docile that you lose all sense of defense and anyone that is willing to assert themselves over you, you willingly worship them.
Realize what worship is, it’s your freedom of choice. Live life on your terms and acquiesce to God only.
@@wc7zr Man, their minds are closed.
@@Mroat84669 it’s a cliche, but they’re in the matrix and we still have to poke our fellow humans awake in the hopes that someone will wake up. It’s ok to previously have been duped, but to remain foolish out of obstinance is their own folly, but we must try nonetheless.
They also tried to claim Alexander the Great was a muslim too.
@@wc7zr being drunk isn't slander. And neither is being naked.
How can you be in a religion that has not yet been started for another 300 or so years?
same for mormonism ....
600 years thats how long it took them
They claim that since “Islam” means “Submission to God”, anyone who submits to God is a Muslim by default. They also call many historical Jewish figures “prophets”. Prophet Abraham, prophet Lot, prophet David, prophet Solomon, etc. Since their concept of prophet is “someone exemplary and near perfect”, they ignore and erase all the known mistakes of these figures, such as Moses hitting the rock. Every bit of evil Muhammad committed is considered blessed and permitted by Allah, and as such not sin (how convenient, huh).
@@arcturus4762It's a good thing that the Bible doesn't have God doing, commanding, or allowing anything evil.
@@Henriettethestrang3 Ah, yes. When God allows evil to happen "wHy GoD DoEsn'T dO aNytHinG!??!?" but when God punishes evil "OmmGg GoD iS eVIl"
The Quran also validates the New Testament while not claiming that Jesus is God the Son. It contradicts itself
It is a lie where did Quran validates the NT?
@@moosa86 Mark 1:11, Mark 9:7, Matthew 14:3, Matthew 3:16-17, Luke 1:35, John 3:16?
@@moosa86 It was taught by Christ's disciples, though. Ignatius of Antioch (who was mentored by John the Apostle) speaks about it. In the first century, too. So do the early Church Fathers. And the Didache.
Also, Jesus explicitly mentions the Son (which he is) as being equal in Divinity to the Father and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19, John 5:23), and identifies Himself as God. Hence, that makes His full title God the Son of God the Father.
@@moosa86Jesus refers to himself as ‘I am’, just like the father does. In John 8:56-58, Jesus begins saying, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” God refers to himself as ‘I am’ in Exodus 3:13-14, which states, “And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” You also can’t forget John 10:30, which is where Jesus clearly states, “I and the father are one.”
@@DeviousPossum
"I am" is a telegrammer for Yahweh.
And in the new testaments show that the holy spirit is Yahweh.
What's your point
Islam makes a whole lot more sense when you realize it’s just a bunch of Arian and gnostic themes thrown together in an area and time rife with Arianism. Islam is a Christian heresy that went on for long enough
@@moosa86 funny how y ou disregard Jesus's title but y ou make da mn sure y ou add the g oat f ucker's title.
All denominations are the works & deeds of man. The only denomination that can stand the scrutiny of Christ Teachings is proto-orthodoxy. The supernova of the social fabric after the crucifixion is what is pure. I’m not saying they are wrong, or wrong, I’m saying they are corrupted simply for coming from the fallible minds of man.
@Passer__ and misogynism
@@BigPontheDot That, but it seems like unlike the gnostic sects of their time, muslims took all of the gnostic texts very literally, there are 2 apocryphal apocalypses of Peter, one is called just that, the other is called the gnostic apocalypse of Peter, one of which (i can't remember which) corresponded to the muslim view of the crucifixion.
Another one was Paul's revelation or something like that, described paradise in the same way muslims do with 4 rivers, one for wine, one for milk, one for water and i think the last river was for honey or something.
I suggest looking them up online.
Seems to me muslims read bad translations of apocryphal NT books which predate their religion or something along those lines.
The more I see about Islam, the more similar it is to Mormonism
That’s bc Joseph Smith literally took Islam and tried to fit it in to Christianity, but the problem is you can’t replicate a building on an already faulty foundation.
@@Thatdude_888 Today some Mormon girls try to preach to me about the Bible when all their doctrines is false and about lies.
no they say the bible is corrupted so the real one says what ever they need
Problem is, the Quran says this can’t happen. Surah 18:27, Surah 6:114-115. So they can’t claim they’re corrupted without contradicting the Quran
@@TheTemplar168 no i have seen them circunvent this too, their mental gymnastics have no limits
@@republicradio431 well, what can you do but make them dance? 😂
@@TheTemplar168 tbh im not in the mood for recentfull comments, its sad and its a struggle to talk to them, sorry
@@TheTemplar168 The 3 verses you brought up are talking about the Quran, not the Bible or the Torah
The fact that Islam also did not even exist at the time of Christ or the early church (1st century) alone rejects any claim that the disciples were Muslim. It literally makes no sense even logically.
@mashedpotatoesfromkfcTrinitarianism did exist, it just hadn't been formalized. This is why people had to be baptized in the name of the trinity, why the epistles start by honoring the different members of the trinity, and why Johns vision of God's thrown showed 3 people
Trinitarianism was definitely there buddy, johns gospel is full of information on how the trinity interacts
@@camillewilliams3185 islam wasn't there when all other prophets lived except Prophet mohammed (pbuh) and we muslims still believe that all other prophets were muslims, even Adam. The word muslim means to surrender to God and everybody who did that before the time of İslam and followed the true teachings was a muslim. You could be a muslim way before islam existed. Don’t get fooled by this corrupt ahh chanel and do your research. Every point of him can be easily refuted he just sum random ahh kid thinkin he tough or sum🤣 May Allah guide you guys
'Muslim' just translates to follower of the One God, similar to how 'Al-lah' translates to 'The God'.
Jesus spoke Aramaic. The Aramaic word for 'God'? 'El-lah'. Whenever Jesus spoke about God, you would hear the 'Ellah' phoneme Muslims today use.
@@baidoacactus but Muslim has an English definition, which referes to a follower of Islam from Muhammad, anything else is a languistic fallacy
The Bible and Quran issue is the classic "Two Guards" riddle.
What is that riddle? Can you explain?
@@GodGuy8 I think the one where one tells nothing but the truth, the other nothing but lies?
@@GodGuy8 Yeah Daniel got it right. There are two guards in front of two doors. One guard only tells lies, the other guard only tells the truth. One door leads to certain death, the other leads to freedom. You don't know which guard is which or which door is which. You may ask each guard only one question. How do you find the door?
The riddle is solved when you ask each guard "Which door would the other guard tell me is safe?"
If guard A says "Guard B would tell you my door is safe" and guard B says "Guard A would say his door is safe", you can conclude that the door which guard A is guarding is the door of certain death. Guard A is the truthful guard which is why he said "Guard B would tell you my door is safe" because that's a truthful answer. Guard B is the liar guard which is why he said "Guard A would tell you his door is safe" because that's an untruthful answer.
@@Doc-Holliday1851 my head hurts bro im sorry its a little complicated
@@GodGuy8 Likewise, the Bible says it is truthful, and the Quran say's it is truthful. If we accept that only one can be correct that means one of them is lying so we have to employ a similar tactic. It's a little more complicated because there's no such rule that says one of the books can only tell lies. But to balance that we thankfully we aren't constrained to a single question from each.
The Quran says several things.
A: The Bible is the Word of God
B: The Word of God cannot be corrupted
C: The Bible has been corrupted
Already without consulting the Bible we can tell that the Quran is inconsistent and therefore cannot be telling the truth. When we consult the Bible things get even clearer
The Bible contradicts major points of faith within the Quran. So if the Quran is correct when it says "The Bible is the Word of God." then we know the Quran can't be.
It's not exactly 1x1 comparison. But the general idea is there.
Everything Quran said about Isa is different from the Jesus of the bible. Have you think about why Arab Christians don't call Jesus Isa? It shows that they are different.
Is that different Jesus in the room with us right now?
More than Jesus is different between the two. Gabriel literally behaves like Satan, and Allah is more like Loki than God
It has never occurred to me that Arabic speaking Christians would not just naturally use the Arabic words, in the same way that we say Jesus and not Yeshua.
Do you have documentation
@@mgvilaca if you want to be technical about it, yes, because God is all present
@@TheTemplar168the Quran clearly talks about God, not about a created deity like Loki, but it's wrong about God in many ways. Arabic speaking christians have always called God "Allah"
It's stuff like this is why I converted from Islam to Christianity. Most muslims cannot also answer why the Quran has gnostics texts within it? Lots of Gospel of Thomas, but also Gospel of Infancy..which is a 5th-6th century text?
But I thought the bible had been corrupted or uplifted by Allah according to the muslims? Why is it referencing a book that is gnostic (christian fanfiction) from the later centuries? A book that I can buy from the book store?
Your reasoning for rejecting the truth makes no sense,so the Quran is false because it referenced a book which the catholic rejected. But the Catholic Church has no authority in the eyes of Muslim in determining what is from god and what is not. So my question to you is why did you consider them as a authority to dictate the Quran when you were allegedly a Muslim.
But if you were to use that very standard then the bible itself is false for quoting books rejected by the church;
The following are mentioned in the Hebrew Bible:
The Book of Jasher is mentioned in Joshua 10:13[1] and 2 Samuel 1:18[2] and also possibly referenced in the Septuagint rendition of 1 Kings 8:53.[3][4] From the context in the Book of Samuel, it is implied that it was a collection of poetry. Several books have claimed to be this lost text, some of which are discounted as pseudepigrapha. Certain members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints secured the copyright to a particular English translation of one of these and republished it in 1887 in Salt Lake City.[5]
The Book of the Wars of the Lord[6] is mentioned in Numbers 21:14.[7] The Book of the Wars of the Lord is also cited in the Book of Jasher (translated by Moses Samuel c. 1840, edited by J. H. Parry 1887) chapter 90:48 as being a collaborative record written by Moses, Joshua and the children of Israel.
The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Chronicles of the Kings of Judah are mentioned in the Books of Kings (1 Kings 14:19, 29).[8] They are said to tell of events during the reigns of Kings Jeroboam of Israel and Rehoboam of Judah, respectively. The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel is again mentioned in 1 Kings 16:20[9] regarding King Zimri, and both books are mentioned no less than 30 other times throughout 1 and 2 Kings.[10]
The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet and Story of the Prophet Iddo (also called Visions of Iddo the Seer or The Annals of the Prophet Iddo) are mentioned in the Second Book of Chronicles.[11] This book has been completely lost to history, save for its title.
The Manner of the Kingdom (also called The Book of Statutes or 3 Samuel); referenced in 1 Samuel 10:25.[12]
The Acts of Solomon;[13] referenced in 1 Kings 11:41.[14]
The Annals of King David (also called The Book of the Annals of King David or The Chronicles of King David, which could be a reference to the rest of 1 Chronicles);[15] referenced in 1 Chronicles 27:24.[16]
The Book of Samuel the Seer (also called Samuel the Seer or The Acts of Samuel the Seer, which could be the same as 1 and 2 Samuel);[17] referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29.[18]
The Book of Nathan the Prophet (also called Nathan the Prophet, The Acts of Nathan the Prophet or History of Nathan the Prophet);[17] referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29, and also 2 Chronicles 9:29.[19]
The Book of Gad the Seer (also called Gad the Seer or The Acts of Gad the Seer);[20] referenced in 1 Chronicles 29:29.
The Prophecy of Ahijah (also called The Prophesy of Ahijah the Shilonite,[15] which may be a reference to 1 Kings 14:2-18); referenced in 2 Chronicles 9:29.
The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel (also called The Book of the Kings of Israel and Judah); referenced in 2 Chronicles 16:11,[21] 2 Chronicles 27:7[22] and 2 Chronicles 32:32.[23] May be the same as 1 and 2 Kings.
The Book of Jehu (also called The Book of Jehu the son of Hanani) could be a reference to 1 Kings 16:1-7. Referenced in 2 Chronicles 20:34.[24]
The Story of the Book of Kings (also called Midrash on the Book of Kings);[15] referenced in 2 Chronicles 24:27.[25]
The Acts of Uzziah (also called The Book by the prophet Isaiah); perhaps the same as the Book of Isaiah.[17] Referenced in 2 Chronicles 26:22.[26]
The Vision of Isaiah (also called The Vision of the Prophet Isaiah); may be identical to the pseudepigraphal Ascension of Isaiah, and may also refer to the existing Book of Isaiah. Referenced in 2 Chronicles 32:32.[23]
The Acts of the Kings of Israel (also called The Acts and Prayers of Manasseh);[27] may be identical to The Book of the Kings of Israel. Referenced in 2 Chronicles 33:18.[28]
The Sayings of the Seers (also called The Acts of the Seers);[15] referenced in 2 Chronicles 33:19.[29]
The Laments for Josiah (also called Lamentations). This event is recorded in the existing Book of Lamentations. Referenced in 2 Chronicles 35:25.[30]
The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus (also called The Book of Records of the Chronicles or The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia); referenced in Esther 2:23,[31] 6:1,[32] 10:2,[33] and Nehemiah 12:23.[34]
Mennonite scholar David Ewart has mentioned that Nestle's Greek New Testament lists some 132 New Testament passages that appear to be verbal allusions to paracanonical books.[48]
Pagan authors quoted or alluded to are:[49][50]
Menander, Thais 218,[51] quoting Euripides,[52][53] "Evil company corrupts good habits" (1 Corinthians 15:33)[54]
Epimenides, de Oraculis, (Titus 1:12-13[55] where Paul introduces Epimenides as "a prophet of the Cretans"; see Epimenides paradox)
Aratus, Phaenomena 5, (Acts 17:28,[56] where Paul refers to the words of "some of your own poets")
Non-canonical books quoted or alluded to are:[49]
Book of Enoch (Jude 1:4,[57] 1:6,[58] 1:13,[59] 1:14-15,[60] 2 Peter 2:4[61] and 3:13,[62][63][64] and John 7:38).[65][66]
Apocryphon of Jannes and Jambres, according to Origen (2 Timothy 3:8[67] "... as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses")
Epistle to the Laodiceans (Colossians 4:16,[68] "read the epistle from Laodicea")
Life of Adam and Eve (2 Corinthians 11:14,[69] "Satan as an angel of light", and 12:2,[70] "Third Heaven")[71]
A lost section of the Assumption of Moses (Jude 9[72] "Michael... body of Moses")
Ascension of Isaiah (Hebrews 11:37,[73] "they were sawn in two")
Paul's letter to the Corinthians before 1 Corinthians (1 Corinthians 5:9,[74] "I wrote to you in my letter...")
Paul's letter to the Ephesians before Ephesians (Ephesians 3:3,[75] "As I wrote afore in few words...")
An unknown messianic prophecy possibly from a non-canonical source, quoted in Matthew 2:23 that states "he will be called a Nazorian" (ὅτι Ναζωραῖος κληθήσεται). "Nazorian" is typically rendered as "Nazarene" ("from Nazareth"), as in Acts 24:5,[76] where Christians are referred to as "the sect of the Nazorians/Nazarenes" (τῶν Ναζωραίων αἱρέσεως). This is speculated[by whom?] to be a vague allusion to a quote about Samson in Judges 13:5 that uses a similar-sounding word: "the child shall be a Nazirite" (ναζιρ)
An unknown version of Genesis (possibly a targum, midrash or other commentary), quoted by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:45,[77] as a reference to Christ's being "the Last Adam who became a life-giving spirit" (οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται· Ἐγένετο ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ εἰς πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν). It has been speculated[by whom?] that Paul is simply paraphrasing Genesis 2:7,[78] but there is no clear indication that this is not a complete quote.
An unknown text quoted by Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:9,[79] suggested by Origen to be a lost apocryphal book:[80] "But as it is written, 'No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him." This may also be an allusion to the similar Isaiah 64:4,[81] "For from days of old they have not heard or perceived by ear, nor has the eye seen a God besides You, Who acts in behalf of the one who waits for Him.'".
An unknown messianic prophecy, possibly from a non-canonical source, quoted in Luke 24:46,[82] speculated to be a vague allusion to Hosea 6:2:[83][84] "Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day."
An unknown messianic prophecy, possibly from a non-canonical source, quoted in Mark 9:12,[85] speculated[by whom?] to be a vague allusion to Isaiah 53: "and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought."
@@Needlestolearn That wasn't the only reason I left, the Quran has questionable preservation. Like its flat out embarrassing, and wasn't even canonized until 1924 in Cairo?
I'm also part of the Eastern Orthodox denomination, which has 81 books.
There is also a blatant contradiction. The Quran claims that God's words can't be corrupted, but Injeel and Zabul are God's words? So how can muslims claim corruption? Some others say that the bible has been uplifted by Allah? Then why can I walk in a book store and find the same stories?
Gnostics texts biggest issue is that some of them come WAY after christ, like CENTURIES, which is why it was rejected. The disciples had actually walked and lived with Christ, and even Ibn Ishaq confirms this in his book (which comes out BEFORE the hadiths) "The Life of Muhammed" pg 653.
Muhammed more than likely learned it from the gnostic jews and christians. But again, ITS FICTION! Yet the Quran claims these late centuries works are authentic?
I'm not here to debate, turning to Christ was the best decision I ever made.
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@@Needlestolearnbut none of those are gnostic texts
@@NeedlestolearnIt doesn’t matter what Muslims think, the Catholic Church has sole and divine objective authority on that issue making the Muslims wrong
@@briandiehl9257 they’re apocryphal books. And there still rejected.
Is the Gospel the word of God?
Quran 5:47
So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.
Ok, so it is the word of God. Then what does the Gospel have to say about the Quran?
Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV
[8] But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [9] As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Ok, so the Gospel tells me the Quran is false. But it had to be corrupted, right?
Quran 18:27
Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.
Ok, so nobody can change God's words. So if the Gospel isn't the word of God, the Quran is false because it says that it is, and if it is the word of God, the Quran is false anyway because the Gospel tells us not to believe it.
Islamic dilemma moment. Always hits
Used this countless times. They always avoid this subject. I’ve even had arguments that the “originals” were destroyed or never written down to begin with
@@TheTemplar168 The document situation is funny. The only written parts of the Quran drom Muhammad’s time were the Birmingham Manuscript, which is barely 4 Surahs long. Everything else is 200 years older. Meanwhile, the full Bible was, albeit not compiled, already finished by the year 100, and in widespread circulation and used for teaching in churches by 195
remember that Mohammed supposedly got the Quran from an angel. correct me if I'm wrong
@@theyseeyou7283 it was. Not only does this follow warnings in the Bible that predated Islam by centuries, the only account is from one of the Hadiths I believe, written after the Quran. And the angel constantly attacks and chokes Muhammad. Sounds exactly like Satan
They thought it was real...but Allahs
(Haha, Wordplay)
Edit: How does this have 41 likes!? This is probably the dumbest joke I've left on a video 💀
You dropped this👑
@@aaron2072nah, that’s Jesus’ crown
@CatholicaVeritas777
Revelation 4:10 - ...fall down before him that sat upon the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne,...
I mean, you're not wrong
The Quran defeats itself consistently. It's so bad. 😂 😂 😂
0:29. The meme is funny. To make it more accurate Mohammed according to the hadiths was extremely white and it’s a crime in sharia to say he was not white (likely a ginger).
lol, you’re funny and totally misinformed.
To be fair, one of his (still living) descendants is a ginger so Mohammed being a ginger would not surprise me.
@@AnimeArchaeologist couldnt it be one of the descendants had children with a ginger person instead
@@oracleoracle-m7g You say this, when Islamic tradition says that he's a redhead.
He meant Surah 61:14, not 31:14. Great video as always!
Correct my wires got crossed if that's what I said
I have a feeling the Muslims are gonna raid the comments saying stuff like “bro learned the Quran from McDonald’s when they probably didn’t even watch the video
Intellectual laziness is their friend
They are brainwashed from the farts of Mohammad 😂😂😂
@@moosa86 THE CORRUPTED quran :
quran 11:81
Hafs quran : Lot was commanded to bring his family, EXCLUDING his wife, and don’t let anyone look back
quran 11:81
Al-Bazzi quran : Lot was commanded to bring his family, INCLUDING his wife, but she will look back
It’s better to read it in arabic.
This video is literally trying to defend a fairytale abt the god of good’s war against the god evil by incarnating himself into human form on earth to perform a suicide mission to free mankind from the curse of original sin casted by the god of evil, Satan. After that, if humans just believe with all their heart, will they be magically cured of original sin. Christianity is Santa Claus for grown ups. Not only that, but original sin is a lie to manipulate you into not appreciating your self worth and becoming selfless, another Christian virtue, so that you turn yourself into a sacrificial lamb. Talk abt manipulating humans into mindless sheep by taking away their ability to love God by learning how to value and love yourself and your life. Islam teaches one to love God bc you love your existence and learn to appreciate the gift that only God gave you.
So your bad joke abt poor rebuttals looks pretty dumb right now when you bring to light what it is that you’re trying to uphold in the first place. Cringeworthy.
I've just sent this video to David Wood on Twitter also tagging the Apostate Prophet (who's an agnostic)
*Who's an agnostic that too criticises Islam and who is also interested in Christianity.
Great video to release on the eve of the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul. Pray for us, O Holy Chiefs of the Apostles.
I left Islam after watching this video
If you have any questions or want to learn more about the reliability of the Gospels, check out my playlists or check out talkaboutdoubts.com if you want to talk to someone about questions or doubts you may have about Christianity.
Welcome to freedom brother.🙏❤️
@@evocativ no, welcome to eternal life
@@nicknobody135 truth brother 🙏
@@noahlang-ai ???, took you 3 months
God bless you Brother. Keep fighting for the faith🙏
How were they Muslims if Islam was founded 600 years later? Same people will tell you Adam and Eve were Muslim...MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
@@markinson8019 None of that makes any sense. I spoke to Muslims who believe Adam and Eve were Muslims, who believe the deciples were Muslims, that entire topic contradicts their own beliefs. Even in the Quran, they use biblical figures and just say "he was Muslim". My question is this, we all know Christian means follower of Christ, what the hell is a Muslim then? Wouldn't one be a follower of Mohammed? Then how on earth are the deciples, king Solomon, Adam, and Eve even Muslims when they existed before the religion did? You can't cherry pick information like that. The entire religion makes no sense whatsoever
@@markinson8019 By your logic that means Jesus is Muslim right? How on earth does any of that make sense?
@@ashuade7382 you got that all wrong, there are no "islam" before muhammad, the past religion are the in the past, the teaching on believe allah exist before islam, but they are not called islam cus why not i dont know im no expert
@@ashuade7382 he did submit to god as the definition of a muslim
@@ashuade7382
In the hadith it says that Adam Pbuh saw the name Muhammad Pbuh as a messenger on the chair of Allah SWT.
You must take Islam's sources carefully, cause it's common for them to twist their sources to silent the critics.
Yes it's called taqiyya
They even add words in translation to make the message more appealing
Muslims casually throw the best scholars and authors under the bus all the time, it’s natural for them.
Yea they promote lying lol and Islamic country will destroy ancient artifacts if they can
So happy you are dealing with islam!
You touched on this in passing near the end. But if you take out every book of Paul's, there is still not a lot in the gospels, acts, epistles that are left, nor Revelation that Islam agrees with. It's like they shut down Paul for reasons, but are still left with everything else left in the New Testament that also disagrees with them.
56k+. Wow. You've come a long way. I Remember when I used to hope with all my heart this channel blows up and not struggle crawling for a long time. Felt like I couldn't do anything. But seems things ae looking up 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for your videos. Can u make a video about Deuteronomy 32:8-9?
Part 1:
This is probably the most famous passage used by scholars to indicate that ancient polytheism is hidden in the bible, and demonstrates a polytheistic past. It’s 1 of 2 main passages used to try and make this case (the other being Psalms 82:1), but let’s just take a moment to understand the gravity of this: In the entirety of the Hebrew Bible, there are only 2 passages primarily used that could indicate ancient polytheism. This should raise atleast the thought that this could be quote mining and circular reasoning, if I’m being honest if this is the best they can do to try and demonstrate ancient polytheism in the bible, I don’t find this evidence very impressive. But let’s actually get to the passage in question:
Deuteronomy 32:8-9:
When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of El. For the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance.
So some scholars suggest that ‘’the most high’’, the God El, gave nations to various other Gods to be ruled over, and when it came to Israel, El gave YHWH this nation, and this indicates that ancient Israel use to think El and YHWH were 2 different God’s, with YHWH being subordinate to El.
Now the name El does show up in the bible, in some places we read El Elyon (such as psalms 78:35), which means El Most high. But when we read of El, the authors of the Hebrew Bible indicate this is just another name for YHWH:
Exodus 6:3: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shaddai, but by my name YHWH was I not known to them.
Exodus 34:6: YHWH, YHWH, El merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abandoning in steadfast love and faithfulness.
2nd Samuel 22:32: For who is El, but YHWH?
Psalms 89:6-8: For who in the skies above can compare with YHWH? Who is like YHWH among the heavenly beings? Is the council of the holy ones, El is greatly feared;
he is more awesome than all who surround him. Who is like you, YHWH God almighty? You, YHWH, are mighty, and your faithfulness surrounds you.
Karel Van der toorn lists several comparisons from the biblical texts speaking of YHWH, to other ancient works that speak of EL:
Both are called most high:
YHWH (Psalms 42:7)
El (Oldenburg, ‘’above the stars of El’’, PP 187-200)
Both are called Creator:
YHWH (Nehemiah 9:6)
El (Azitawadd’s inscriptions 2.18)
El is called ‘’father of years’’, is comparable to YHWH being called the ancient of days:
YHWH (Daniel 7:9-14; 22)
El (Curpos des inscriptions de Ras Shamra-Ougarit 1.10 lll)
El at times presides over a council as does YHWH:
YHWH (1st Kings 22:15-29)
El (Curpos des inscriptions de Ras Shamra-Ougarit 1.2 I)
El is said to be compassionate, YHWH is merciful and gracious:
YHWH (Exodus 34:6)
El (Ifitpn ‘il dp’id)
Both are described as shining:
YHWH (Numbers 6:24-26)
El (Kuntillet Ajrud inscription)
both are described as the Holy ones:
El (Kuntillet Ajrud inscriptions)
YHWH (2 Kings 19:22)
Both are called Father:
YHWH (Isaiah 63:16)
El (Curpos des inscriptions de Ras Shamra-Ougarit 1.14 VI: 44-46)
A healing God:
YHWH (Numbers 12:13)
El (Curpos des inscriptions de Ras Shamra-Ougarit 1.16 V-Vi)
Appear in dreams:
YHWH (Genesis 20:3-6; 28:10-12)
El (2 Aqhat Epic 1.3-18)
Set Amid cosmic waters:
YHWH (Psalms 29:47)
El (Curpos des inscriptions de Ras Shamra-Ougarit 1.2 III 4; 1.3)
See:
(‘’YHWH’’. dictionary of deities and demons in the bible by Karel Van Der Toorn, 1995, pages 910-919)
(The origins of biblical monotheism: Israel’s polytheistic background and Ugaritic texts, By Mark S. Smith, Oxford university press, 2004)
‘’It is often argued that originally YHWH was much more like El than like Baal. In the patriarchal narratives of Genesis, El names such as El Olam and El Elyon are frequently used as Epithets of YHWH. Various scholars have drawn a conclusion that El and YHWH were identified at a rather early stage. This identification is sometimes explained by assuming YHWH is originally an El figure ‘’ (Thus, E.G H. NIEHR, Der hochste gott (BZAW 190; Berlin/New York 1990) 4-5)
(See part 2)
Part 2:
Meindert Dijkstra wrote extensively on the origins of the name of YHWH, and given the data it most likely was just original another name of EL. (See: Only 1 God? Monotheism in ancient Israel and the veneration of the Goddess Asherah, pages 81-126)
He says:
‘’This revival of El’s names and Epithets in the Exilic and Post-exilic theological vocabulary is only explicable in the light of the Tenuous, never broken tradition that ‘El-YHWH’ in the end is, and was identical to the Patriarchal ‘El ‘Elohe Yisrael, ‘El, the God of Israel’’. (See: Only 1 God? Monotheism in ancient Israel and the veneration of the Goddess Asherah, page 126)
Mark S. Smith in his book ‘’The origins of biblical monotheism’’ holds to the Evolutionary theory, and argues that by the 8th Century in Israel, YHWH was given the female consort Asherah. The biblical authors condemned such practises as forsaking their ancient covenant (See: Judges 6:28, 1st Kings 11:5; 18:19)
But Asherah was originally El’s partner consort at Ugarit. So such an act would only make sense if there was a cultural idea that El and YHWH were the same deity. So as far as the biblical authors were concerned: El Elyon was just another name for YHWH. This would make sense with the name IsraEL, if El Allotted YHWH the people of Jacob, why was the nation not called IsraYah? Being that there national deity was YHWH. But if YHWH was just another name for El, this would make far more sense: Israel worshipped El who was YHWH.
The case can also be made aswell by looking at the text of Deuteronomy 32:8-9
1st: The text doesn’t say El Allotted to YHWH, it just says the most high divided the nations. ‘’Elyon’’ Is just a title applied to many deities, it is the title given to YHWH in the biblical text (Deuteronomy 28:1), but at Ugarit it is the title given to Bale (Keilalphabetische texte aus Ugarit 1.16:III.6,8), and interestingly enough, it is never applied there to El, the father of the God’s. Since Elyon is most likely just a title meaning ‘’most high’’, it could of just been a title referring to YHWH in Deuteronomy 32
Otto Eissfeldt notes that the language does not explicitly claim there is a distinction between YHWH and the most high:
‘’The author of the song, it is true, when speaking of YHWH’s relationship to his people, avoids, probably intentionally, the application of the Hitherto used active verbal form, and so does not say directly that ‘Elyon gave Israel or Jacob to YHWH as his portion; but is content to establish the fact that Israel has become the property of YHWH.’’ (Otto Eissfeldt, ‘’El and Yahweh.’’ Journal of Semitic studies, Vol. 1 , No. 1, 1956, pp 25-37., (Page 29) )
So the passage could just equally mean that YHWH (who is the most high), gave up the nations to lesser deities and then created a people for himself. Even if the text did say El Elyon, that would not explicitly mean YHWH was thought of as a different deity. Since there are many other passages where they are identified as the same (See: Exodus 6:3; Exodus 34:6; 2nd Samuel 22:32; Psalms 89:6-8) To say they are originally seen as 2 separate deities, is to presuppose the conclusion you’re looking for. An explicit distinction may of been the case in different cultures, but that doesn’t mean it was the case for the biblical authors. Infact Mark Smith agrees:
‘’Despite possible appearances to the contrary, the composer did not intend any picture of polytheism with his rendering of verses 8-9. In fact, he Likely thought of El and Elyon as two of YHWH’s titles. (As they are Elsewhere in the bible), and not as a separate God, El. The implied reference to the multiple Devine sons likely did not bother the composer of the poem. In the wake of the identification of Elyon as a title of YHWH, the ‘’Devine sons’’ are only implied in the text at best. It was probably easy for the for the composer to pay little to no attention to this matter, as this was a standard trope of divinity that the composer had inherited… Thus the passage shows something of the older worldview of translatability of the national Gods as it ultimately rejects it.’’ (God in translation, Page 142)
To see why, let’s look at the internal context and surrounding context of other biblical texts:
Jonas Greenfield draws attention to the prior verses (Deuteronomy 32:6-7), where YHWH is identified as Father, creator, wise and has lived for the years of many Generations. At Ugarit, these motifs are said of El, who is said to be the creator of Mankind as well as wise and father of years.
‘’The language comes, on the whole, from the description of El, the people are called ‘’witless,’’ lo’ hakam, that is, lacking the basic characteristics of El. The first and Third verb-qny, ‘create,’ and Knn, ‘establish’- are used of El, ‘eternity’ (‘Im)/ages past (drdr)’ epithets of El, verse 8, which mentions ‘’the most high’’ (Elyon) and ‘’the sons of Adam’’ (man),’ presents on the one hand another epithet of El and on the other hand reminds us that El was called ‘’father of man’’ (ab adm). The author of Deuteronomy 32 has skilfully woven info into his covenant poem these and other elements of antecedent literary tradition’’. (The library guide to the bible, page 554)
(See part 3)
Part 3:
Thus Deuteronomy 32 applies the same language to YHWH, implying the authors assumed they were 1 and the same. Now some object to this by claiming that in Deuteronomy 32:6-7 YHWH is only said to be the father and creator of Israel, but not all of mankind. Other lesser deities were said to be the fathers of their nations aswell. However this objection misses the point, the passage does just say YHWH is the father of Israel here, but it is not just that title that scholars such as Greenfield, Heiser and Van Der Toorn draw on. It is the fact that the same Motifs and language used of El, is applied as a whole to YHWH. If In this passage YHWH was just called the father of Israel, no one would try to make the connections, but because sereral existing motifs of El are applied to YHWH in Deuteronomy 32, it seems that the authors already understand YHWH was El.
As for the passage only referencing YHWH being the father of Israel, that would be expected, because that is what the passage is about, not all of mankind, and despite that the Motif are still there.
One of the biggest reasons to suggest Deuteronomy 32 doesn’t imply that YHWH is a subordinate to El, is we need to take a step back and look at the larger picture in 2 ways:
First let’s remember where this text came from. In the much later Masoretic texts of Deuteronomy 32:8-9, it doesn’t read ‘’sons of El’’, but ‘’sons of Israel’’, some scholars suggest this is a later attempt to hide polytheism by changing El to Israel. However the reason we know it was not originally the sons of Israel is because of the Dead Sea scrolls, which came from an obviously monotheistic sect. If it is monotheists that copy and persevered this passage in question, we should be skepticism this passage meant to imply polytheism.
As for the Maserati change, I’m not convinced this was an attempt to hide a polytheistic past, I think the change could reflect later talmudi commentary that the Jews were meant to inherit the whole earth, and the gentiles would become there slaves:
Peskita Rabbati 36
Shabbat 32b
Sefer Emunot ve-De’ot 8.6
Berachot 16b
Mitzva 347
The chain would be consistent with this idea, because it would God had already divided the world up according to the seventh of Jacob who went down to Egypt (Genesis 46:27). It doesn’t necessarily refer to an attempt by the Masoretic scribes to hide polytheism. Another possibility (although highly speculative) is that scribe who produced the Masoretic text took the letters BNY’L to be an abbreviation of bney Yisra’el.
Also several other passages within the biblical canon correlate to this monotheistic interpretation of Deuteronomy 32:
Psalms 29
Psalms 24
Numbers 23
Deuteronomy 9:26-29
Isaiah 10:13
Let’s take Psalms 29 as an example, which is considered to be early by many scholars. Says that YHWH is enthroned forever over the flood (Psalms 29:10). The text also begins with plural imperatives, indicating a Devine council was in play. (See: Michael S. Heiser, ‘’the Devine council in late canonical and non canonical second temple Jewish literature; Frank Moore cross, ‘’Cannanite Myth and Hebrew Epic,’’, 90-93; David Noel Freeman, ‘’who is like thee among the Gods?,’’ 317.)
In the ancient Near East, the flood was thought to be over the dome that covered the earth, and if YHWH is said to reign there, then he was already seen as ruler over all the nations that were beneath the flood.
The point being by bringing up this Psalm that there might be existing evidence alongside Deuteronomy 32, that YHWH was seen as already ruling the world, not just as an inheritance from El Elyon.
Nathan McDonald In his Theses ‘’One God or one Lord? Deuteronomy and the meaning of Monotheism’’, notes the theme of Deuteronomy is how YHWH chose or elected Israel (See: Deuteronomy 4:19-37; 7:6-7; 10:15; 14:2; 29:25-26). This would fit better with the interpretation that YHWH the most high, gave other nations to lesser deities, but then elected Israel for himself instead of being given Israel.
Also a later text incorporated into Deuteronomy is Deuteronomy 4, and we see in Deuteronomy 4:19-20 it parallels Deuteronomy 32:8-9, in saying that it was YHWH who Allotted the other nations to other Elohim, and kept Israel for himself.
In other later texts like Isaiah 10:13, has YHWH in control of the boundaries of the nations. These are often dismissed as coming from a later monotheistic time period, however the language and grammar used shows that some of these passages are early as well, and provide surrounding context to better understand the theology of Deuteronomy 32:8-9.
Plus internally speaking, Deuteronomy 32 can function just fine as a monotheistic. However the larger context seems to fit with this monotheistic understanding, as does the internal evidence.
If the only reply after all of this is brought up, is that monotheism is a later development, so there has to be evidence of early polytheism, then your just assuming the conclusion you want, and not letting the evidence speak for itself.
Conclusion:
After an examination of the evidence, we can conclude that Deuteronomy 32:8-9 does not demonstrate evidence of early polytheism in the bible, or a polytheistic past.
@@User81981 if I could use gifs, I’d use the slow clapping one that picks up speed. Jesus bless you and your argumentative skills ❤️✝️
@User81981 well done 👏
wow this is crazy! didn't expect you to make videos on islam. thanks!!
My dear brother in Christ, 1:02 is Surah 61:14 and not Surah 31:14. Nevertheless, may the Lord bless you with your efforts. Keep up the good work.
Yeah, that was just me misspeaking. I got some mental wires crossed, and I didn't notice it on the edit either.
@@TestifyApologetics quick question ( again. Sorry. I have noone to ask):
Are there any good videos refuting Richard Carrier and his claims?
I've heard multiple times even from atheists that he's kinda weird about his theories, but are there any responses to him?
Also, from what I've found, there's actually a more complicated reason on why atheists date the gospels so late (supposedly with the phrasing of Mark and some other stuff. I'd link the thread debating on this, but I have lost it probably for eternity)
Sorry for any trouble
"My Lord and my God"- Peter, Thomas, James, John, Philip, Paul
@@moosa86 my point still stands
@@moosa86 Thomas still said it, Jesus didnt deny it. MY POINT STILL STANDS
Cherry picking is a standard unitarian practice.
@@TestifyApologetics real
@@moosa86
It's funny how you will ignore the rest of 1 Corinthians 8:6 where it says that there is also one Lord who is Jesus Christ. Using your logic, since Paul says that only Jesus is Lord, that means the Father isn't Lord. Not only that but Paul in that verse tells us that all things were made through Jesus implying that he is the ultimate source of creation along with the Father. That just buries your position because Paul is essentially equating Jesus with God the Father.
Where are the mooselims that say “ before this video i was Muslim and after still Muslim”
lol, here. And feel free to ask away.
I’m happy to answer why.
@@wc7zrwhy is Muhammad called the patern of conduct (what everyone should be like) if he was a pedophile?
Source: Sahih al-Bukahri
Aisha was six years old when her nikah (marriage) was officially contracted, and nine years later when it was consummated
@@Jakov-or7fp bc in the 7th century he defined how mankind can remain civilized and neutral that we are still unable to grasp in 2024. Unlike secularism that claims that man’s belief in God is subjective and cannot be rationally be agreed upon, and therefore has no bearing on mankind to come together to cooperate and govern in a civil society, Islam objectively defines mankind’s need to define God in order for mankind to understand individual rights and come together in a civilized society. Islam indicates that to exist means to be created, and therefore the human condition objectively identifies God as the excuse one uses to justify one’s existence. Under this point, the argument of “your god vs my god vs no god” is eliminated bc if anyone wants to exist and exercise their free will to exist, the excuse mankind needs to use objectively must be all encompassing to include all creation in order to remain objective and fair over the existence for all. Therefore, God is objectively defined in Islam by maintaining that a responsible citizen of the human existence must validate their permission to exist by maintaining that God is a singular entity in order to unify all creation despite its different traits to maintain its right to exist. If humans claim that one god is in charge of one domain and another god is in charge of another domain, then this causes discord and gives humans an excuse to take sides to justify eradicating the existence of one over the other, when in truth neither side has any power to eradicate the existence of good or bad completely. That power only remains in the objective force that is continually putting things into existence within this realm we are able to perceive. A Muslim is a responsible citizen of the human race that recognizes that God is their validation to exist, and therefore objectively defines God with the following criteria: God is a single entity, God must not be conceptualized and must not be rationalized in any concrete notion; that God must remain abstracted in order for God to remain neutral as a mediator in order to legitimize the existence amongst all creation, whether inanimate or possessing a will. That God has an independent will that mankind can identify thru observing patterns of this existence, both within our consciousness and in nature. God’s will is only communicated thru the affects caused by:
1. natural patterns; both external and internal
2. circumstances isolated by the will of any creation
3. events sealed in the past
With this understanding, a Muslim (aka responsible citizen that intends to uphold rationality and truth) must then hone their ability in respect to the observations of this existence to exercise free will. Our worship is expressed through our constant decision making. If we forego our ability to make decisions to others with no valid reason, we are then worshipping others. A Muslim must empower themselves thru good work to build discernment, intelligence and ability to make smart decisions according to their desires alone, to gain the ability to forfeit decision making to God alone, bc unlike creation that has needs, God has no needs, and put you and I into this existence to exercise our will according to our desires with the expectation that we empower ourselves to be responsible with our desires. God granted each of us that gift of life. You will only love God truly if you can learn to love your life enough to defend it and to defend it for others just the same.
You’re argument of how humans survived in the 7th century by marrying extremely young, in a time when mortality rates were low, boys went off to war as teenagers, and no one washed their hands with soap, including Jesus himself, is placing yourself on a pedestal and looking down on the ancestry of mankind for having less than you but enjoying the fruits of their labor. This argument is repeatedly used to distract you from how subjugated you truly are from recognizing your God given right to live life to the fullest.
@@Jakov-or7fp Aisha was not 6 years old when she was married. Meccans begin to measure age after the age of puberty, so Aisha was 6 years old after puberty when she was married (17). The marriage was consummated when she was 9 years old after puberty (20). Throughout the world in history, people used to get married at young ages, where the average age for 16.
@@therandom3523 This is what Jesus says to do to people like you *Matthew 18:6* and I couldn't agree more.
Islam was spread by the sword.
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Explain?
Reasoning left islam a long long time ago
Reasoning and Islam don’t go in the same sentence
You know, a certain German dictator hated Paul too. Like the Muslims, he claimed that Paul twisted Jesus's true teachings.
Yup the best way to disprove the Quran is by reading it.
God bless you doing this series brother. Allowing healthy and digestible discourse of information to those who seek it.
The thing is, Christians do read the Qur'an and the gospel but, as it seems, merely few Muslims actually did read the Qur'an - so their beast assption relies on what the Imam said.
Please keep making these kind of videos and stay strong.
didnt islam come 600 years after jesus death?
it did
Yes it's because Islam is only lies.
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How would Jesus’ disciples be Muslim when Islam was founded hundreds of years after? Or am I smoking something?
Islam is a religion built upon paradoxes.
Not smoking anything
You are correct.
I all way question how could Jesus and the apostles? Be Muslims. When there no such thing as Muslim during his time
@@yugioh5222 "Muslims" mean those who submit
To who pagan pedo god that not answering my question
Thanks bro! Keep posting
Never underestimate a Muhammadans ability to throw his scriptures under the bus.
As a former Muslim , after finding my true way and belief, my life changed , thank you my Lord Jesus ! I had a difficult childhood because of my family beliefs and religion, fear all the time , when I find you my Lord Jesus , you showed my beauty of life , if even whole my bloodline will be against me , I will leave them and stay with u my Lord , may Jesus give us power to overcome challanges
@@Berserkk. Amen. John 14:6
King James Version
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
What fear tell us
@@JesusisTheWayFollowHimnot to sound offensive but do you even know the context of that verse.
Salaam Al Masih.
If you fail your history test, tell your teacher that the history book is corrupted and your version of events, based on an illiterate caravan raider, can be confirmed in the original uncorrupted history that doesn’t exist.
Praise Jesus!
Give em what for, Testify! Also, the Quran refers to the Gospels in the PRESENT tense when confirming them to be revelations from Allah, as in during Muhammad’s time. Surah 10:94-95. Surah 7:156-157. Surah 5:46-47. I hope you can make another video on this subject!
The Quran says that Mohammed is the greatest prophet and that Yahusha is not the son of The Most High.
He who denies the Son, denies the Father
He who denies The Father and The Son is of the spirit of the antichrist
I think I struggle with faith a lot, especially recently, so I am wondering if you can explain to me and talk about what makes Jesus's claims better than "Sai Baba of Shirdi" (if you even know who he is), I would greatly appreciate that. Thank you.
I've discussed that here: ua-cam.com/video/rtsZvGUF40k/v-deo.html and more recently here: ua-cam.com/video/Asns9nf3VX8/v-deo.html
@@TestifyApologetics oh ok thanks
@@Jeff909_if you have further questions check out talkaboutdoubts.com
in the islamic works you cited, when it comes to speaking of St. Paul, they say: "who was a follower and not an
apostle". Is this an editors note?
To be a little more simple:
They drank alcohol
Alcohol is Haram in Islam.
@@GhayelRubio Yes, hence the contradiction. If Jesus and the apostles were muslim why were they drinking alcohol? (Last supper)
Are you dumb?? Alcohol wasnt made haram until the last years of Islam 😂😂
And are you ? Isn't did islam was made 600 yrs after the death of Jesus chirst@@Hxzaifaaa
@@Black-888-z2xWhat does that have to do with my argument that's literally a red herring
I thank Jesus that I wasn't born a Muslim but a Christian, praise Christ Jesus amen🙏
You’re thankful for being manipulated into believing that you are flawed at birth when babies are wonderful and blameless. Humans are born sinless, yet you are brainwashed to think that you are evil and that an irrational belief in a fairytale attributing God coming down to earth to kill himself to save the universe from the god of evil and vehemently believing that irrational fairytale is the only thing that will save you. Without that chip on your shoulder you think you are inadequate. You believe that God created you worthless. You believe that good deeds are selfless acts to plead to God to be worthy. You believe this life is abt pain and suffering. How can you even love God when you don’t even think your existence is a gift? How can you love God when you don’t believe that good works are there to empower you and to help you live life according to your desire? You don’t love your life enough to defend it if you can’t see that your life is God’s personal gift to you. You can’t, bc you think that God says you are flawed by default and it’s incumbent on you to make up for your flaw by believing something so irrelevant and useless that does nothing but give you a false sense of superiority with no merit whatsoever.
I feel sorry for you.
Spread the Gospel. So those not as lucky as you get a chance to hear the word.
@@lullaby218 yeah spread an irrational fairytale so that irrationality proliferates within society. One’s belief in God shapes how one forms bias. It’s bc of the Christian faith that atheism exists, further pushing irrational faith that obfuscates the effect that faith has on the human condition. It’s bc of Christianity that there are atheists that claim to not believe in God when the truth is that anything that exists identifies with a god to justify its existence, and your theologians have allowed them to go around and say they have no god bc your faith obfuscated what God rationally is between humans.
Qur'an: Let the Torah and Gospel confirm the Qur'an
Christians: This Qur'an completely contradicts the Bible
Muslims: Your Bible is corrupted, you don't have the real Torah and Gospel
Christians: Fine, Show us the real one
Muslims: They're lost
Christians: Then how do you know your book is true if you can't confirm it?
Muslims: Trust me bro
I have one for you
The Quran denies Jesus as the son of God, saying He was a "good prophet"
But he cannot BE a good prophet. He was either God, insane, or a conman.
How can he not be a prophet lmao
@@moosa86The Son proceeds from The Father. What’s your point?
@@moosa86 Okay well, you’re wrong, but you’re entitled to believe in delusion. Reality will move on without you.
It's worth noting that the word "Muslim" just means "one who submits to the Supreme God" so if you took a literal translation, you could describe the desciples as being Muslim, however, our modern understanding of the word Muslim associates it with followers of Muhammad who called the being he thought to be Yahweh "Allah" which, in Arabic, just means "God" and is a title used by both Muslims and Christian Arabs.
just dropped a sub, just by watching a few of your videos I'm able to destroy their logic in debates very easily. and I can easily say 100% that its bogus. (I easily could tell before but now even more so) thanks man
Based, 100% true video - Let’s not stand for the slander of our Lord Jesus!
Great video! I would love to see more videos about Islam by Testify! Defending the faith doesn't mean just defending it from atheists and skeptics, but those of other religions like Muslims as well. I believe Christians should be equipped to answer not just atheists, but Muslims too!
يسوع المسيح هو الطريق والحق والحياه ☦️
Speak English
@@wc7zrHe said Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life.
@@fotisvon9943 I know. The point that this person is writing it in Arabic is really obtuse and comes off as gaslighting bc the commenter’s assumption is that Muslims are Arab. Muslims come from all walks of life, and some humans that call themselves Christian, agnostic or even atheist, or any religion really, are actually Muslim in their hearts, bc they innately recognize humanity’s right to exist on a more abstract scale rather than asserting that the right to exist is based on an excuse that identifies as a human, a man and white (or cherry pick whatever race you want to insert to assert your dominance). This comment in reference is written on a dense pretense.
@@wc7zr Or, alternatively, he speaks Arabic, and typed in one of the languages he can speak.
My NUMBER 1 issue with Islam is they say the Bible is corrupted then go on to say God's words cannot be corrupted soooooooo if God's words cannot be corrupted thats makes the Bible true and because the Bible is true that makes the Quran is false
@@TCB405 Muslims believe that the Quran cannot be corrupted and that it is preserved by God as it is the final message/scripture from God to humanity. And from what we've seen, today's Quranic texts do match exactly like some of the oldest Qurans that were found (like the Birmingham one for example that dates back to around the time of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him)
@@maishidk5236 still after Muhammad's passing
If someone told me Islam was created by a 14 year old who figured out time travel on UA-cam and went back to start his own religion, i would be like "yeah that checks out"
Revelations 21:[7] Jesus said: Those who conquer will inherit these things, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
@@moosa86😑 as a God of Pharaoh not true God
Exodus 7:[1] The Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.
You don't know the word "as" synonym like , same like
Everyone that claims they are the only and one true, that's the sign they are false. Everyone who declares Jesus is the Only One , is the on the right Way, follows the Truth and will find The Real Life!
Or simply ignore both of them & carry on living without the stress & the endless bickering.
@@johnmichaelson9173 yeah might as well go party and do nothing good , for there is no pain after all, there is no stress there is nothing to worry about.
Bha, you think god created pain, stress for us to not to worry about and live our lifes like sheeps who happens to be born in a mysterious world and just never ask, WHY?
@@tadzyxd1190 If you can't be good just by yourself, if you need the bible to assist with your morale compass, if you can't enjoy reading a book, visiting a museum or art gallery, going fishing (catch & release) watching the local sports team, etc etc. That's up to you. I don't drink I don't do party's. I can't help it if you have stress problems but I can say Imho Christianity doesn't help. Why is the knee jerk reaction the blanket accusatory thought "you go partying & sin in a myriad of illegal way that's why you don't believe in Jesus" No I don't do any of that I'm normal & I live in the secular society. I believe Jesus was a man & all the rest simply isn't true.
@@johnmichaelson9173 you think that life is full of roses and everybody has the same good mind as you have ?
oh believe me there will be no killing
or corrupt in the land if so.
Muslims are the funniest people on the face of the earth
@@moosa86 “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:40
You don’t know the Bible bro and I will be laughing and laughing why?
“The wicked plots against the righteous And gnashes at him with his teeth. The Lord laughs at him, For He sees his day is coming.”
Psalms 37:12-13
@@moosa86Ask yourself that very question Muslim.
@@moosa86 “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be like him.”
Proverbs 26:4
I rather not become a fool such as you but you can argue with yourself and I’ll just keep laughing at you
@@moosa86 momo was a pdf file. Police be upon him.
i dont think theyre funny i think they are evil.
Just read all five books of John. This "Pauline" Christianity isn't authentic as a sole teaching terminology.
Yes I think the label "Pauline-Nicene" tradition is a great label for true Christianity.
But Read all 5 books written by John.
The books of John, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and revelation. Which I nickname 4 John.
(The 5 books of John. The quad-john books alone can justify Christianity.
Paul was instrumental. But Christianity wouldn't go extinct without his writings.
Infact John can justify the trinity itself.
They claim the Bible is corrupted anyways, so the best defense for Christianity is the Quran itself in its own goals. 😂 😂 😂
Keep up the good work!
I'm named after st Paul and always debunk Islam hust Like the saint🗿
This was an amazing video thank you
It's allways interesting to see how obvious it is that Islam is false and how so many people still follow it. It's almost like they are to proud of beeing the "true believers" that they cant admit that they are wrong
Literally, the truth hurts them, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and no matter how many false prophets there are, the truth prevails over lies.
🙏God bless everyone
Muslims also claim the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ishmael.
Explain?
@@OttomanGazi-p2h They claim that.It's in several UA-cam videos.There is no actual historical evidence of its existence until about 200 years before the birth of Muhammad .
@@David-yw2lv so u muslim?
@@OttomanGazi-p2h Is Yoko Ono Irish?
@@David-yw2lv I am not interested
Sorry
Only reason islam still exists is that a sword is a great argument deterrent.
Christian Prince runs through Muslims like he's Forest Gump crossing America on these topics.
@Faithexplorer4376 Farid can't even deal with David Wood and Apostate Prophet, let alone CP. Both Farid and Muslim warriors are too afraid to speak to CP on stream or Skype. Get out of your conclave and learn for once.
We know who the disciples of Jesus were...they are historic actual people, they were Jews with the exception of a few of the 70 after Jesus' ascension. There is reliable documentation, independent non-biblical reporting, and extant letters. They were not Muslims.
Quran made big mistake claiming Jesus as Lord in ARABIC Quran which is the original language of Allah. Arabic Quran chapter 9:31 says اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم. The English should be like as lords instead of Allah AND the Messiah son of Mariam. The Arabic letter و looks like number 9 in English is a conjunction. But Muslims change the meaning when translated to other languages.
Tell me what the Arabic says pls
@@DeAngeloJohnson-ee9bt Quran 9:31 the Arabic says اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم. If we translate the he Arabic then the English should be as lords instead of Allah AND the Messiah son of Mariam. The Arabic letter و which looks like number 9 in English that’s a conjunction so Allah و (and) the Messiah son of Mariam.
Keep in mind that Allah is just another name for God or Yahweh. The Quran is just wrong about the God it talks about.
Allah means god, and god (el/mighty one) is a title... YHWH is the name of the most high... There can be only one
@HeresyInquisitor this is not true. The Quran talks about exactly the same God you worship, the same God Moses worships and the same God that is a Trinity. It's simply wrong about many of the things it says about that God.
If two words have the same definition (God in christianity, Allah in orthodox muslim thought) then they always, always always refer to the same thing.
@@dr.tafazzi "Exodus 32:4" just because someone says "this is the God of Isreal" doesn't mean it is true brother... "Psalm 82:6-7" when addressing the men of Israel, the most high calls them gods... There are also countless examples of false gods/idols being worshipped by Isreal... There are many "gods"... There is only ONE GOD of Isreal, only ONE Father... You shall have no other gods before him or beside him... He ALONE receives the worship of creation & this is done by living like Christ, who was the perfect manifestation of the Father's will for man made manifest... Seek out the spirit brother... Seek Christ... Seek the Father... None of us are perfect which is why we NEED/NEEDED Christ's sacrifice on the cross... I know I can also do better to live by his example... ONE LOVE
@@lonelymobbaoe there is no word in hebrew that means God, capital G God, the maximally great being. A better translation for Elohim would be "deity"
Your sermons are uninteresting and irrelevant, stick to facts. When 2 words have the same definition, then they mean the same thing.
We can't approach the Bible until we agree on basic principles of logic, so do you agree with what I wrote?
@@dr.tafazzi How could you say there's no hebrew word for the "maximally great being"? It's literally YHWH... That is the most high... The Quran makes no mention of that what soever... So no I absolutely do not agree with what you wrote...
Without lies, Islam dies
There are so many lies in Islam, one half always contradicts the other half. That is a major fact that is very easy to present as reality.
“Here’s a solid reason to question the Quran as the word of God. The Quran claims that Jesus’ disciples were actually Muslims.”
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With regard to the reception of the Crucifixion within the early Church of Jerusalem headed by St James, it is intriguing that in the eyes of secular Biblical critics such as Bart Ehrman and Paula Fredriksen, the early Jewish Church wholly believed in the real death and resurrection of the Saviour. As Ehrman states in his recent book ‘The Triumph of Christianity’ the Church of Jerusalem believed that “in raising Jesus from the dead, God showed that his death had brought about a much greater salvation than anyone had anticipated. Jesus did not come to save God’s people from their oppression by a foreign power; he came to save them for eternal life. This is what the earliest Christians proclaimed”. Furthermore, according to Dr Ehrman, this belief cannot be seen as simply a Pauline accretion, since “contrary to what people often say, it is not that Paul invented the idea that Jesus’s death and resurrection brought salvation. That is what the earliest Christians were proclaiming before Paul had ever heard of them”. This view is additionally expressed very well by Dr Fredriksen in her book ‘Paul the Pagans Apostle’.
@@Faithexplorer4376 Dear Sir-Forgive me, yet I do now quite understand the object of your comment, given that in my original statement I made no reference to Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, Al Qurtubi or indeed any Islamic commentary. I focused upon the central role of the Crucifixion and Passion of Christ within the early Church, a role that cannot be seen as a Pauline addition but rather as an aspect of Christianity that has existed from the very beginning. Moreover, this belief was not absent in Jewish Christian sects of antiquity, given that both wider Clementine Literature and Patristic references to the Ebionites are filled with reverence for the Crucifixion of the Christ.
Firstly, as I said before, it is the consensus of opinion amongst a-religious Biblical historians that the veneration of the Cross is one of the most ancient aspects of ‘Jesus Sect’, indeed according to Bart Ehrman the very first generation of disciples themselves came to the conclusion that the death of their Master on the Cross acted as a sacrifice for sins. Consequently even the Ebionites, who denied the Virgin Birth (essential within Islam), differed from non-Christian Jews in asserting that Jesus was the sacrifice for the sins of the world and that all other sacrifices had therefore become meaningless. Indeed Eusebius famously said that those Ebionites who did come to believe in the Virgin Birth “celebrate the Lord’s days very much like us, in commemoration of his resurrection” (Ecclesiastical History, Chapter XXVII). This centrality of the Crucifixion amongst the early Jewish-Christian sects is further supported within both the Clementine Homilies and the Recognitions (widely believed to contain elements of Ebionite doctrine), as evidenced by the following:
"For the Teacher Himself, being nailed to the cross, prayed to the Father that the sin of those who slew Him might be forgiven, saying, 'Father, forgive them their sins, for they know not what they do.' They also therefore, being imitators of the Teacher in their sufferings, pray for those who contrive them, as they have been taught. Therefore they are not separated as hating their parents, since they make constant prayers even for those who are neither parents nor relatives, but enemies, and strive to love them, as they have been commanded". [Homilies 11]
"But someone perhaps may say that it is possible for anyone to imitate a number; but what shall we say of the signs and miracles which He wrought? For Moses had wrought miracles and cures in Egypt. He also of whom he foretold that He should rise up a prophet like himself, though He cured every sickness and infirmity among the people, wrought innumerable miracles, and preached eternal life, was hurried by wicked men to the cross; which deed was, however, by His power turned to good. In short, while He was suffering, the entire world suffered with Him; for the sun was darkened, the mountains were torn asunder, the graves were opened, the veil of the temple was rent, as in lamentation for the destruction impending over the place. And yet, though the entire world was moved, they themselves are not even now moved to the consideration of these so great things".
"Wherefore there is not the least doubt concerning Christ; and all the unbelieving Jews are stirred up with boundless rage against us, fearing lest haply He against whom they have sinned should be He. And their fear grows all the greater, because they know that, as soon as they fixed Him on the cross, the whole world showed sympathy with Him; and that His body, although they guarded it with strict care, could nowhere be found; and that innumerable multitudes are attaching themselves to His faith. Whence they, together with the high priest Caiaphas, were compelled to send to us again and again, that an inquiry might be instituted concerning the truth of His name. And when they were constantly entreating that they might either learn or teach concerning Jesus, whether He were the Christ, it seemed good to us to go up into the temple, and in the presence of all the people to bear witness concerning Him, and at the same time to charge the Jews with many foolish things which they were doing. For the people was now divided into many parties, ever since the days of John the Baptist". [Recognitions 1]
"But it is the vice peculiar to ignorance, that it will not bear to have near it the light of truth, which confutes it; and therefore that separation originates with them. For those who receive the knowledge of the truth, because it is full of goodness, desire, if it be possible, to share it with all, as given by the good God; yea, even with those who hate and persecute them: for they know that ignorance is the cause of their sin. Wherefore, in short, the Master Himself, when He was being led to the cross by those who knew Him not, prayed the Father for His murderers, and said, 'Father, forgive their sin, for they know not what they do!' Luke 23:34 The disciples also, in imitation of the Master, even when themselves were suffering, in like manner prayed for their murderers. Acts 7:60 But if we are taught to pray even for our murderers and persecutors, how ought we not to bear the persecutions of parents and relations, and to pray for their conversion?" [Recognitions 6]
Finally, touching briefly upon the commentary of Al Qurtubi upon the Apostles of Jesus, it is intriguing that he states that the Apostles travelled beyond the confines of Israel, indicating both that the message of Christ was not to restricted only to the Jews, but that it was expanded to many other people, from Rome to Africa. Yet in none of the ancient Christian communities does anything resembling the Islamic perception of the Crucifixion exist. As such, it remains unchanged that the Islamic vision of Christ remains unattached from history.
can you also do islam's definition of trinity?
The funny thing about quran 31:14 is according to all the tafsir “their enemy“ was the Roman Empire, and the Christians who converted the Roman Empire were Trinitarian.