Yes i am also contributing to the forum with my fascination with Orbea Rise. I have ordered it in LTD with my signature color scheme and i cannot wait for this beast to come. It should be on the list!
Wow , finally a real evaluation of real, quality bikes. Bikes that you can actually say they are among the best made. I have seen dozens and dozens of evaluations, comparisons, top 5 ,top 10, top 12, you name it I seen them all and I think everybody else has also. and they're all showing inferior products listed as the top 10 top 5 top whatever. It's been terrible reading them all, knowing that they're all b*******. Thank you for a very knowledgeable and enjoyable video of real top 5 e bikes
Thanks that means a lot! I watched a few of those videos your referring to and thought I would make a video that was more reflective of what people are actually buying and riding on the local trails. Glad you found it informative, thanks for watching 🙏
@2:34 "Norco is located in north Vancouver. Where mountain biking began." Really? I could have sworn that it began in Marin County on Mount Tam (Tamalpais) with the Repack race in the late 60s/early 70s. I think that this is generally accepted as the historic start of the sport. Aside from that...great content! :-)
Technically yes, mountain biking was born in Marin but in the 70s the trail building in Vancouver took the sport to a different level. I may have used simplified language to get my point across why some brands are based in the shore.
Ride a Decoy. I can get 6 hours out my battery no problem. Echo up mainly and trail down hill. If you boost all time it will deplet any battery quicker.
@@gearhub7788 The North shore , where Canadian Mt biking began NOT mt. biking overall in North America . The Real mecca of Mt. biking is Marin county Calif.and some of the guys that started it all were Joe breeze, Richard Cunningham , gary Fisher etc. i lived there in the late fifties and we rode our schwinn double top tube monsters everywhere . down the sides of grassy hills , fire trails, ranches , pavement etc. You know what , i'm going to stop because why should i respond to someone that starts their video off with the arrogant statement similar to , " i live in some pretentious MTB place and work in a bike shop ,so that qualifies me to comment on a subject that ultimately is subjective , as in , " i like my current bike and that's all there is to it ".
The software changes and belt change is what made the brose 2.1 a 2.2. Even my bike from 2021 Turbo Levo Comp has the 2.2 motor. Don't let the marketing fool you. You don't get a different motor with the s works
Gear Hub not only expensive name of ebike why did you test other ebike that maybe like TREK..why did you try CUBE MTB ebike then load the comparison or the test result..thks
The rise is an interesting bike and it's great to see more in the superlight category. For me the Levo Sl takes it. Yes the specialized is more expensive but the motor has been redesigned, it's not a full size motor with firmware limiting the torque like the shimano. The Orbea is better value but Specialized have the better app, better R&D and more service centres.
No performance mountain e bikes are throttle. Interested to see some dirt bike inspired ebikes develop but those are very different the bikes in this video and and normally not sanctioned on mountain bike or multiuse trails
If Specialized changes the frame for the Levo it could be the "enduro " model, eh?!...there is not official Range Extender for the LEVO 2022, only SL gets it unless you are talking about a Third Party vendor by the way
I’m hoping for a Levo evo, that would be sick. Yeah you’re right, I thought they would have moved the charge ports for the 2022 but I guess not. 700wh is probably enough for a day out anyway 😂
@@rolux4853 The kenevo is designed around 180mm travel and would be closest to their enduro model of analogue bikes. Whereas a levo evo would be somewhere in between that and the current levo, less travel than the kenevo but similar slack angles that you see. However I'd be more than happy to ride the Kenevo SL that just got released until the release my dream bike. Thing looks like a rocket!
@@gearhub7788 thanks for your answer! Yeah I had the Enduro in mind when talking about the Kenevo, because the original post talked about the Enduro. So I thought that’s what you had in mind too. Misunderstanding from my side, sorry! However I thought the new redesigned Levo already got a very capable geometry. In my mind I already considered it like something like a „Levo Evo“ and didn’t saw the need for another model inbetween the new Levo and the Kenevo. So basically: „old“ Levo - new Levo - Kenevo. I didn’t even know they released also a Kenevo SL, time to look it up, thanks!
The Sight VLT showed is the most recent version available right now at the time of making the video, I can't feature bikes that don't exist yet 😂 And the people who know the current situation with the bike supply chain this year, nothing is getting delivered on the dates expected... if you're in the market for a bike this summer I'd be buying whats available now
@@gearhub7788 totally agree with you on that one, i’ve been able to place an order on the new Range VLT last September, and i still don’t know if i’ll get it before the end of the summer....
It’s a decent bike and I feel like Norco have done a lot to make ebikes more accessible for the average mountain bike rider rather than just pricing for the doctor lawyers. Of course I’m excited to see the new versions in the flesh but this version of the sight is still solid even if the only option to pick one up now is on the used market. Fingers crossed your bike ships soon, ride on bud.
Just come across your channel and was obviously swayed by the Scottish accent . . . but I did hear a lot of the bike decision based on sales and popularity on the trails? That should never come in to the equation for a report on a "top 5". Surely you need to say why it is popular? Ride in Peebles/Glentress and you will see lots of Santa Cruz, but that isn't because they are the best (although I may be digging a hole here), but that is because that is the bikes the local dealer sells!
Totally, I’m coming from a shop perspective and numbers on the trail for me do equate to how well the bike resonates with different riding styles. I can test a bike but I’m not going to have the same experience as a 6’6 200lb dude so when I see loads of different types people riding one model of bike that speaks to how versatile that bike is. I live in Whistler so there is a ton of dealers and brands fighting it out on the trails. Sometimes it’s down to sales margins but sometimes it points to the bike itself being special. Reckon you should try a Santa Cruz 😜
Sounds like people really like the Orbea online, I just haven't ridden one (ebike or normal) and I've never heard anyone rave about them that I know. Interested in trying one out though.
great video but please....stop supporting those ridiculous prices....you can t say for example " levo is just above 9k $". you just can t. you buy a used 10 year old porche boxter in that price. a 9k $ bike with no fox factory kashima coating parts at all. am I supposed to pay 15k $ to get them in a levo? are they made of gold or diamond or something? it is a joke. someone should speak the truth inside in such a video. and I say that me who already own an e-mtb.
yeah, these are what i would call prestige bikes . i live in europe and there are a lot of really nice bikes with the same specs but aluminum frames ,which i prefer for value . there is Cube , conway , nox , canyon ,etc all in the 4 to 5 K range . no need to spend so much money to get a top quality bike that is equally as responsive as the bikes listed in the video.
Yeah mountain biking is expensive and adding a motor that is developing technology is obviously going to drive the price up. There are cheaper options from direct to consumer brands like the YT in this video but there are more luxury options out there too that are worth a mention, that's the truth.
@@gearhub7788 To be fair, you claimed you hadn't ridden the Orbea Rise in one reply and then in another reply explained why the Levo SL takes the win over the Orbea Rise . . . I think you just have to try the Orbea Rise now, I mean it's your advice, right?
@@gearhub7788 Market share is clearly no measure of worst or best? I have ridden the Shimano E8000 extensively and in a club of over 500 people who would disagree with you. No debate, the E8000 was a massive failure . . . or they wouldn't have completely redesigned a new motor.
9:34 There is an error in the specs. Gen 3 Levo is not compatible with the extender. Only SL version is
Trek Rail is an amazing bike
Yes i am also contributing to the forum with my fascination with Orbea Rise. I have ordered it in LTD with my signature color scheme and i cannot wait for this beast to come. It should be on the list!
If anyone has a demo model I’ll gladly try one 😜
@@gearhub7788 I have one in St George Utah. Please come visit and try it out!
Orbea Wild FS here - offers everything the Rail 9.8 has for a better price (aside from the fact you can't get a Rail until who knows 2022 anyway)
@petr38 you will love it. I got mine 3 weeks ago its breathtaking
What is the wait time from Orbea these days? I will say beware of the fragile paint, they should apply invis from the factory
Wow , finally a real evaluation of real, quality bikes.
Bikes that you can actually say they are among the best made.
I have seen dozens and dozens of evaluations, comparisons, top 5 ,top 10, top 12, you name it I seen them all and I think everybody else has also. and they're all showing inferior products listed as the top 10 top 5 top whatever.
It's been terrible reading them all, knowing that they're all b*******.
Thank you for a very knowledgeable and enjoyable video of real top 5 e bikes
Thanks that means a lot! I watched a few of those videos your referring to and thought I would make a video that was more reflective of what people are actually buying and riding on the local trails. Glad you found it informative, thanks for watching 🙏
@2:34 "Norco is located in north Vancouver. Where mountain biking began." Really? I could have sworn that it began in Marin County on Mount Tam (Tamalpais) with the Repack race in the late 60s/early 70s. I think that this is generally accepted as the historic start of the sport. Aside from that...great content! :-)
Technically yes, mountain biking was born in Marin but in the 70s the trail building in Vancouver took the sport to a different level. I may have used simplified language to get my point across why some brands are based in the shore.
Ride a Decoy. I can get 6 hours out my battery no problem. Echo up mainly and trail down hill. If you boost all time it will deplet any battery quicker.
I'd buy a TY..... if they gave the option of a bosch motor...
Thank you for excellent video
Yay Trek Rail.
Thanks for sharing your inside shop knowledge, very helpful
Such kind words
"North Vancouver where mountain biking began " ??
oh dear that should create some heat in the thread .
aside from that , nice video .
haha bring the heat! Check out a film on red bull tv called the moment, it covers the rich history that mountain biking has on the north shore.
@@gearhub7788 The North shore , where Canadian Mt biking began NOT mt. biking overall in North America .
The Real mecca of Mt. biking is Marin county Calif.and some of the guys that started it all were Joe breeze, Richard Cunningham , gary Fisher etc.
i lived there in the late fifties and we rode our schwinn double top tube
monsters everywhere . down the sides of grassy hills , fire trails, ranches , pavement etc.
You know what , i'm going to stop because why should i respond to someone that starts their video off with the arrogant statement similar to , " i live in some pretentious MTB place and work in a bike shop ,so that qualifies me to comment on a subject that ultimately is subjective , as in , " i like my current bike and that's all there is to it ".
so you can still buy a bike with the shiamano e8000 in 2021? Or better the ep8?
I mean newer is better but older is cheaper.. dealers choice my friend!
The software changes and belt change is what made the brose 2.1 a 2.2. Even my bike from 2021 Turbo Levo Comp has the 2.2 motor. Don't let the marketing fool you. You don't get a different motor with the s works
Good day i would like to ask if i will use that ebike pedalling on uphill using the motor and manually simultaneoualy ?
All of these bikes are pedal assist meaning the motor is only engaged when you pedal
@@gearhub7788ok thanks
What is the best model that you'll recommend ?
Depends what your priority is
Gear Hub not only expensive name of ebike why did you test other ebike that maybe like TREK..why did you try CUBE MTB ebike then load the comparison or the test result..thks
You get what you pay for my dude. YT would be the cheapest option that I would recommend
great clip 👌
Thanks pal!
Thank you!
What about Orbea rise ?
Much better bike.
The rise is an interesting bike and it's great to see more in the superlight category. For me the Levo Sl takes it. Yes the specialized is more expensive but the motor has been redesigned, it's not a full size motor with firmware limiting the torque like the shimano. The Orbea is better value but Specialized have the better app, better R&D and more service centres.
Levo SL 10x lighter then standard Levo? It could be 10% lighter.
10lbs, my thick accent throwing you off eh 😂
Nothing about the pedal assist specifics…throttle or no? Just saying
No performance mountain e bikes are throttle. Interested to see some dirt bike inspired ebikes develop but those are very different the bikes in this video and and normally not sanctioned on mountain bike or multiuse trails
If Specialized changes the frame for the Levo it could be the "enduro " model, eh?!...there is not official Range Extender for the LEVO 2022, only SL gets it unless you are talking about a Third Party vendor by the way
I’m hoping for a Levo evo, that would be sick. Yeah you’re right, I thought they would have moved the charge ports for the 2022 but I guess not. 700wh is probably enough for a day out anyway 😂
@@gearhub7788 why do you think there should be a Levo Evo?
Isn’t that what the Kenevo is?
Or am I seeing that the wrong way?
@@rolux4853 The kenevo is designed around 180mm travel and would be closest to their enduro model of analogue bikes. Whereas a levo evo would be somewhere in between that and the current levo, less travel than the kenevo but similar slack angles that you see. However I'd be more than happy to ride the Kenevo SL that just got released until the release my dream bike. Thing looks like a rocket!
@@gearhub7788 thanks for your answer!
Yeah I had the Enduro in mind when talking about the Kenevo, because the original post talked about the Enduro.
So I thought that’s what you had in mind too.
Misunderstanding from my side, sorry!
However I thought the new redesigned Levo already got a very capable geometry.
In my mind I already considered it like something like a „Levo Evo“ and didn’t saw the need for another model inbetween the new Levo and the Kenevo.
So basically: „old“ Levo - new Levo - Kenevo.
I didn’t even know they released also a Kenevo SL, time to look it up, thanks!
Expept the norco sight you showed is the 2020 and not produce anymore ,cuz 2021 is completely redesign and will be release very soon
The Sight VLT showed is the most recent version available right now at the time of making the video, I can't feature bikes that don't exist yet 😂 And the people who know the current situation with the bike supply chain this year, nothing is getting delivered on the dates expected... if you're in the market for a bike this summer I'd be buying whats available now
@@gearhub7788 totally agree with you on that one, i’ve been able to place an order on the new Range VLT last September, and i still don’t know if i’ll get it before the end of the summer....
@@gearhub7788 but still , since the 2020 model sight vlt in not produce anymore, it’s a bit pointless to do its promotion...
It’s a decent bike and I feel like Norco have done a lot to make ebikes more accessible for the average mountain bike rider rather than just pricing for the doctor lawyers. Of course I’m excited to see the new versions in the flesh but this version of the sight is still solid even if the only option to pick one up now is on the used market. Fingers crossed your bike ships soon, ride on bud.
Id take a levo sl with a 700 watt battery in alluminun or alluminium
Just come across your channel and was obviously swayed by the Scottish accent . . . but I did hear a lot of the bike decision based on sales and popularity on the trails? That should never come in to the equation for a report on a "top 5". Surely you need to say why it is popular? Ride in Peebles/Glentress and you will see lots of Santa Cruz, but that isn't because they are the best (although I may be digging a hole here), but that is because that is the bikes the local dealer sells!
Totally, I’m coming from a shop perspective and numbers on the trail for me do equate to how well the bike resonates with different riding styles. I can test a bike but I’m not going to have the same experience as a 6’6 200lb dude so when I see loads of different types people riding one model of bike that speaks to how versatile that bike is. I live in Whistler so there is a ton of dealers and brands fighting it out on the trails. Sometimes it’s down to sales margins but sometimes it points to the bike itself being special. Reckon you should try a Santa Cruz 😜
@@gearhub7788 ha ha ... I'd love a Santa Cruz. Maybe next time ... two Orbeas are enough for now.
All American brands?
Nah Gary, YT are German and Norco are Canadian.
orbea rise!!!
Sounds like people really like the Orbea online, I just haven't ridden one (ebike or normal) and I've never heard anyone rave about them that I know. Interested in trying one out though.
@@gearhub7788 quite a few comparison videos and all picking orbea.
I got my rise 3 weeks ago. Riding it every day since. I can only reccomend everyone to pick one up if you got the money.
great video but please....stop supporting those ridiculous prices....you can t say for example " levo is just above 9k $". you just can t. you buy a used 10 year old porche boxter in that price. a 9k $ bike with no fox factory kashima coating parts at all. am I supposed to pay 15k $ to get them in a levo? are they made of gold or diamond or something? it is a joke. someone should speak the truth inside in such a video. and I say that me who already own an e-mtb.
yeah, these are what i would call prestige bikes . i live in europe and there are a lot of really nice bikes with the same specs but aluminum frames ,which i prefer for value . there is Cube , conway , nox , canyon ,etc all in the 4 to 5 K range . no need to spend so much money to get a top quality bike that is equally as responsive as the bikes listed in the video.
@@siriosstar4789 I live in Greece and I own a cube stereo 140 e-mtb that costs 4.350 €. and I couldn t be more happier with this purchase my friend!
Yeah mountain biking is expensive and adding a motor that is developing technology is obviously going to drive the price up. There are cheaper options from direct to consumer brands like the YT in this video but there are more luxury options out there too that are worth a mention, that's the truth.
Lmao this dude sounds broke
@@siriosstar4789 suspension is what makes a 5k bike 8k
Orbea Wild FS offers everything the Rail 9.8 has for a better price
I’d ride them both before you’re making wild claims like that 😜
@@gearhub7788 I rode both the Orbea and Trek. I own a Trek. To me it wasn't even close.
@@gearhub7788 To be fair, you claimed you hadn't ridden the Orbea Rise in one reply and then in another reply explained why the Levo SL takes the win over the Orbea Rise . . . I think you just have to try the Orbea Rise now, I mean it's your advice, right?
2 out of five with shimano motor, the worst motor in industry,
Debatable, it’s got a huge amount of market share.
@@gearhub7788 Market share is clearly no measure of worst or best? I have ridden the Shimano E8000 extensively and in a club of over 500 people who would disagree with you. No debate, the E8000 was a massive failure . . . or they wouldn't have completely redesigned a new motor.