I pre-order a Bulls Vuca Evo Am 2, nearly full specs. With Fox38 Factory, Carbon riser, XTBreaks, 960 Ah Batterie..8199€. Also don't think they can deliver huge numbers for now. But Bombardier is now in and thinks may change quickly.
@@Exuberator I don`t think Pinion will be exclusive with MGUs for long. The BMZ group just bought NOX Cycles and is already owner of former Sachs Micromobility ... together with ZF Frierichshafen ... i`d assume this Mobility Group will rule the MGU market soon. I am already waiting for the next NOX innovation with a powerfull Sachs/BMZ MGU.
damn .... what about the sensational Pinion MGU System ? A fantastic system and I my opinion a gamechanging technologie, if the childhood deseases (german saying) are properly taged, a killer for derailleur systems like Sram or shimano
The Pinion MGU System was a notable admission in this lineup. It has to be a game changer for the future of EMTB's going forward. Just makes sense and is technology matched for the power output that these bikes now have. Rather than a lame adaptation of existing technology and engineering.
My next bike will an MGU eMTB (2019 Specialized Turbo Levo currently). Many of the big manufacturers already have them for commuter bikes. I hope we see the major players at least announcing this year (Specialized Turbo Levo Gen4?!)
You know who isn't, well not to my knowledge, in the EMTB motor industry? The German giant, ZF. Could you imagine ZF producing an EMTB integrated motor/gear box and partnering with Haibike?
Thank you for your work on this. Holy smokes there are a lot of choices out there. I'm going to ride my 2019 Giant Trance e+1 on 27.5's and 2.8" Michelins into the ground... Hope there will be a Pinion in the USA by then. I'll pay the exuberant amount, because these eMTB's give me so much happiness (and I'm old). Keep up the good work, get on a Pinion e-powered drivetrain bike soon for a review.
Hope TQ starts releasing some higher power stuff. The HPR50 is incredible with how natural it feels on my Fuel EXe, but definitely on the lower power side.
Lol, everyone is asking for Pinion😅 how could you forget... I have hoped you will inform us about everything new that is going on...not just sponsorship😢
Very curious to hear about buying a GasGas from a eMTB rider perspective. In the USA, GG is only available to Power-sports dealers. Often no love lost between these two groups. Does that affect your decision to purchase one? Would you go into a dirt bike shop and buy one? Most dirt bike shops are full of staff that ride dirt bikes, not $8000 eMTB's. Does that factor in to your decision to purchase? I am a GG dirt bike salesmen and lucky we did not take on the eMTB line. Other shops in our area did and they still have 2022's in inventory. Asking about future orders...
In the early stages of looking for an E mountain bike. Since I’m 6’-7” tall (200 cm) and 250 lbs (114 kg) I think my selection pool will be quite small. Also very limited dealers in my area. Any suggestions for make/model for tall/larger riders? Maybe you have video I haven’t stumbled on yet. Any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Definitely love your channel you give alot of good information about so many different brands helps me when purchasing! Im going to get a top end model this time as I dont no how many years left I can do this for as you get older it gets more dangerous but I do love it slightly dangerous👍💪 I will check out the Spectral
still using 1st generation yamaha motor and 1st generation bosch motor on my mountain bikes and still enjoy them very much .so id take the current yamaha or bosch systems on my new bike
Right the elephant in the room question. Which motor is more reliable, on full powered e-bikes. Has data been compiled on factory or shop returns for a new motor. All my mates have e-bikes, and we all have our motors replaced within 9 month.
Yes, a little bit on the heavier side. But the full powered 720 Ah Bulls, with 2.6 29er, FOX 38, built for 150Kg system weight - is about 24,6 Kg. There are Bosch Bikes around that weighs the same or even more.
That Specialized "color" is either baby puke stale ketchup dried on a sidewalk, or an attempt at brown-ish/grunge/yark. Marketing rules! ......................... That Gas Gas, is frikken Bad Ass. I wish KTM brought their bikes into the US. Ive never seen one if they do bring them here. My Spectral ON will do me for a good while, love it. Not that it matters, but some of Canyon's colors and colorways, are just not real aggressive or neat looking. I went for black rather than aqua marine. Black isnt my favorite.
The very best? So sick of the clickbait! Without ever riding these bikes, and some of these brands are brand new into the mtb world, you guys are going to claim these are the BEST EMTB bikes of 2024?!?!? KTM - a company that is just getting into mtb’s…and you guys claim it’s one of the best of 2024?! GasGas - same thing Fantic - really? Polini - really?
One mans meat is another mans poison...nothing wrong with my KTM Prowler, not claiming it's the best out there but it gets plenty of praise from others in the know.
Canyon Spectral On CF-8 has been amazing and trouble free for 1200 miles and only $4700....I can't imagine paying 14K for an EMTB?! Why? They will all DIE before you get your monies worth at those prices.....
How are they calculating the Watt Hour capacity.? 750wh is probably a gross exaggeration based on simple observation of the size and weight of these bikes.A common 20 WH LIon Battery weighs about 14lbs. so 200WHs would weigh 140 bls and 600wh would weigh over 400lbs.
Why are they saying 120/140 not enough on trails? Lol... it can go up and go down good. It is right fit for trail riding with agility quickness and controls as well
Lots of technology advances but still no integrated gearbox models?? This is what e-mtbers are waiting for. I don't need a 12 speed external drivechain that only lasts 1000 miles and has a big ass derailleur hanging out to smash onto a rock.
Except the slashed their prices making all our used Levo’s worthless and they have Lots of Warranty Issues that they fight you on…. My motor was going iut for a month, Big S denied the warranty twice saying it was still “working”. I had to ride it till it was useless and I hated the bike before they finally covered it. Then it took a week for the motor. Last warranty for Battery to Motor cable they took 2 weeks to get shop the part and then didn’t cover Labor so it cost me $100! Frame has mild cracks in it that are growing, Big S says they are only surface cracks and won’t cover till the cracks show movement or it breaks!
@@leroywilliams7210 wow...crazy, my belt was stripped from teeth after ~3500km (10 months), new motor in 2 weeks. Now SRAM has the same motor, maybe they'll improve it ? only Bosch seems to be better, BUT only motor, at least year ago all bikes (with Bosch) had shitty geos and shitty remotes, even now, most of the bosch bikes have shitty integration and remotes, what a shame. That's why I think Specilized did the best job.
@@razorree Just got bike back from warranty on motor to battery cable (took over 2 weeks). Specialized didn’t cover all the labor so I had to pay. Good job big S! Well 5 rides later and my motor loses power after it warms up again. That’s how it started last time. So shops like it feels fine and I’m like go climb a big hill and then you’ll see. So it’s in for warranty again…. I think Bosch and Shimano are the least problematic but shimano makes less power.
Im buying a new one every year! Maybe every 6 months! Until I cant buy anymore! Every year its all new, old is useless, be sure and get in early before your new bike is totally outdated. (kidding)
I now think that EMTB's are going to dominate our sport, hobby and transport. The more I see the analogue mob pushing their bikes uphill, the more I want to say, stop that nonsense.
Recently purchased a haibike nduro freeride with yamaha absolute banger of a shuttle bike,id ho as far to say i go faster on it dh than my current dh bike.and amazing value for money magura.ohlins,mx deemax wheels 💰
I’d love to see a full review of a bike with the pinion mgu.
keep it quiet, i want one asap !-)
@@utube091116 I'm getting my flyer version next week
I pre-order a Bulls Vuca Evo Am 2, nearly full specs. With Fox38 Factory, Carbon riser, XTBreaks, 960 Ah Batterie..8199€.
Also don't think they can deliver huge numbers for now. But Bombardier is now in and thinks may change quickly.
Love you mentioned the powerfull sachs engine ... but not a single e-mtb with pinion mgu within the hot 2024 bikes ... i.e. simplon rapcon?
Yeah, SIMPLON Rapcon Pmax Pinion for the win, or the Bulls Vuca EVO AM 1 2024 to 'only' pay 7.5k€....
Pinion seems like the best route to the future . Hope there patents are good.
Hes not paid to promote those pinion bikes, even if they are the future.
@@Exuberator I don`t think Pinion will be exclusive with MGUs for long. The BMZ group just bought NOX Cycles and is already owner of former Sachs Micromobility ... together with ZF Frierichshafen ... i`d assume this Mobility Group will rule the MGU market soon. I am already waiting for the next NOX innovation with a powerfull Sachs/BMZ MGU.
That will at least take 2-3 years of development and Testing. Sure the Race is on...since Pinion showed that it is possible!😉
No mention of Pinion MGU bikes ;-)
damn .... what about the sensational Pinion MGU System ? A fantastic system and I my opinion a gamechanging technologie, if the childhood deseases (german saying) are properly taged, a killer for derailleur systems like Sram or shimano
The Pinion MGU System was a notable admission in this lineup. It has to be a game changer for the future of EMTB's going forward. Just makes sense and is technology matched for the power output that these bikes now have. Rather than a lame adaptation of existing technology and engineering.
100%. just hope the the big companys come on board rather than push the idea out the picture.
My next bike will an MGU eMTB (2019 Specialized Turbo Levo currently). Many of the big manufacturers already have them for commuter bikes. I hope we see the major players at least announcing this year (Specialized Turbo Levo Gen4?!)
You know who isn't, well not to my knowledge, in the EMTB motor industry? The German giant, ZF. Could you imagine ZF producing an EMTB integrated motor/gear box and partnering with Haibike?
Thank you for your work on this. Holy smokes there are a lot of choices out there. I'm going to ride my 2019 Giant Trance e+1 on 27.5's and 2.8" Michelins into the ground... Hope there will be a Pinion in the USA by then. I'll pay the exuberant amount, because these eMTB's give me so much happiness (and I'm old). Keep up the good work, get on a Pinion e-powered drivetrain bike soon for a review.
What about Pinion? Have you ever heard of them🤫
Hoping To Undertake Some Serious Adventures On A Pinion System Soon!
No sense in buying any bike before it goes mainstream. Tryed it in Brixen it’s the future for emtb, no doubt
I haven't heard anything about pinion and no one is talking about pinion. It was mentioned on number 10 on Rob's list for 2024 😆
Hope TQ starts releasing some higher power stuff. The HPR50 is incredible with how natural it feels on my Fuel EXe, but definitely on the lower power side.
Should of put beats on that they’d ignore pinion MGU
Why are they ignoring it ?
What an exciting time to be alive :)
I have the 2024 orbea wild it blows my mind how fast it is.
How about the commencal meta power Bosch?
Surprised.. no mention of Pinion???
People wait because ZERODE Pinion MGU will be on market soon. The first one will be mine.
Hi would you go for the GasGas MXC or ECC?
Lol, everyone is asking for Pinion😅 how could you forget...
I have hoped you will inform us about everything new that is going on...not just sponsorship😢
Bafang M820 can't wait to see more bikes with this motor. I have a frame coming with it. Hopefully it will be a worth while purchase.
Very curious to hear about buying a GasGas from a eMTB rider perspective. In the USA, GG is only available to Power-sports dealers. Often no love lost between these two groups. Does that affect your decision to purchase one? Would you go into a dirt bike shop and buy one? Most dirt bike shops are full of staff that ride dirt bikes, not $8000 eMTB's. Does that factor in to your decision to purchase? I am a GG dirt bike salesmen and lucky we did not take on the eMTB line. Other shops in our area did and they still have 2022's in inventory. Asking about future orders...
Would love to see you guys ride a Luna cycle X2 …. Tons of power on tap
Unless it has a Pinion MGU or other combined gearbox motor like the Intradrive, I won’t even give it a second look 😂
Same honestly 😅 I keep checking the Pinion website for supported bikes, hoping that one will come out that's actually less than $6k
Exactly. Derailers & IGH is dead to me
In the early stages of looking for an E mountain bike. Since I’m 6’-7” tall (200 cm) and 250 lbs (114 kg) I think my selection pool will be quite small. Also very limited dealers in my area. Any suggestions for make/model for tall/larger riders? Maybe you have video I haven’t stumbled on yet. Any wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
No mention of haibike? Just got my allmtn 10 and it’s insane.
where are the skidplates??? i need one i have one on my specialized kenevo. without it no rides ever!!!😊😊
Pinion MGU is the only one worth reporting on.
Can we see what you think of the Vitus E-Mythique 290 VR Mountain Bike with the EP6 MOTOR
The YT Decoy core 5 out did these bikes
Definitely love your channel you give alot of good information about so many different brands helps me when purchasing! Im going to get a top end model this time as I dont no how many years left I can do this for as you get older it gets more dangerous but I do love it slightly dangerous👍💪 I will check out the Spectral
still using 1st generation yamaha motor and 1st generation bosch motor on my mountain bikes and still enjoy them very much .so id take the current yamaha or bosch systems on my new bike
What about lapierre GLP3 ?
Right the elephant in the room question. Which motor is more reliable, on full powered e-bikes. Has data been compiled on factory or shop returns for a new motor. All my mates have e-bikes, and we all have our motors replaced within 9 month.
Release a program only for ebike forks including the new DVO 38mm and bos suspension 38mm
Pole! These bikes are unreal! Check them!!!
pinion pinion pinion pinion pinion. Please.
"heavy, expensive, bulky, expensive" A big e motor, belted to a gearbox, is a tricky thing to package, its coming though!
Yes, a little bit on the heavier side. But the full powered 720 Ah Bulls, with 2.6 29er, FOX 38, built for 150Kg system weight - is about 24,6 Kg. There are Bosch Bikes around that weighs the same or even more.
How many eEnduro Wold Cup Champions can we have?
No point getting a new bike now until gearboxes get incorporated. Unless you are an elite rider you wont notice anything worth changing for
@@DannyC3636 Won't be long.
That Specialized "color" is either baby puke stale ketchup dried on a sidewalk, or an attempt at brown-ish/grunge/yark.
Marketing rules!
.........................
That Gas Gas, is frikken Bad Ass. I wish KTM brought their bikes into the US. Ive never seen one if they do bring them here.
My Spectral ON will do me for a good while, love it. Not that it matters, but some of Canyon's colors and colorways, are just not real aggressive or neat looking. I went for black rather than aqua marine. Black isnt my favorite.
Just bought a Fezzari Wire Peak e-bike - $2899.
what about Pinion?
barely a mention of the Decoy :(
And don’t forget Crestline which seems to be a top level e mtb from Usa.
Tell me how much it weighs
pinion or nothing, though at the moment they cost so much i could just add a few k and get stark varg.
I want the crayon sprectral on 150 160 Soooo bad. Just need that lotto 😂
The very best? So sick of the clickbait! Without ever riding these bikes, and some of these brands are brand new into the mtb world, you guys are going to claim these are the BEST EMTB bikes of 2024?!?!?
KTM - a company that is just getting into mtb’s…and you guys claim it’s one of the best of 2024?!
GasGas - same thing
Fantic - really?
Polini - really?
One mans meat is another mans poison...nothing wrong with my KTM Prowler, not claiming it's the best out there but it gets plenty of praise from others in the know.
It’s a shame that Yamaha is always and only associated to giant… what about haibike? Gasgas? Fantic? Rraymon?
The Orbea is very good but the paint is absolutely horrible. Flakes and chips off very easily. They need to put a thick clear coat over it.
PINION MGU !
Thanks Stevie for another great report on eBikes and their capabilities...I'll still take my Luna Cycle Apollo with 160Nm and 1100 Wh batt!
Has Maxxis always been this popular? They’re on nearly every bike or maybe their yellow graphics just stick out so much.
It's a cult...
Love the style of that Gas Gas, but is it a KTM under the skin like the motor bikes?
Canyon Spectral On CF-8 has been amazing and trouble free for 1200 miles and only $4700....I can't imagine paying 14K for an EMTB?! Why? They will all DIE before you get your monies worth at those prices.....
How are they calculating the Watt Hour capacity.? 750wh is probably a gross exaggeration based on simple observation of the size and weight of these bikes.A common 20 WH LIon Battery weighs about 14lbs. so 200WHs would weigh 140 bls and 600wh would weigh over 400lbs.
Why are they saying 120/140 not enough on trails? Lol... it can go up and go down good. It is right fit for trail riding with agility quickness and controls as well
What about CUBE???
Where's Adam?
Lots of technology advances but still no integrated gearbox models?? This is what e-mtbers are waiting for. I don't need a 12 speed external drivechain that only lasts 1000 miles and has a big ass derailleur hanging out to smash onto a rock.
the storck needs a cooler fork to become the batmobike
Pinion? Surely a game changer...or are you determined to live in the past......
wth people are racing using emtb setups? why not just drop the pedals and ride surons at that point?
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Pinion integrated gears / motor !!!
Hi, unfortunately you forgot Focus Bikes 😮
How many Gatorades away are we from Idiocracy? I know I drank the Kool aid in the meantime.
No Ducati? WHy...
put Sam Pilgrim on
I had no idea that there were this many Brands in the game now. 👀
You teased about a Yamaha and then didn’t say anything about them!
Still Spesh Levo is one (if not THE) the best ebike.
Except the slashed their prices making all our used Levo’s worthless and they have Lots of Warranty Issues that they fight you on…. My motor was going iut for a month, Big S denied the warranty twice saying it was still “working”. I had to ride it till it was useless and I hated the bike before they finally covered it. Then it took a week for the motor. Last warranty for Battery to Motor cable they took 2 weeks to get shop the part and then didn’t cover Labor so it cost me $100! Frame has mild cracks in it that are growing, Big S says they are only surface cracks and won’t cover till the cracks show movement or it breaks!
@@leroywilliams7210 wow...crazy, my belt was stripped from teeth after ~3500km (10 months), new motor in 2 weeks. Now SRAM has the same motor, maybe they'll improve it ? only Bosch seems to be better, BUT only motor, at least year ago all bikes (with Bosch) had shitty geos and shitty remotes, even now, most of the bosch bikes have shitty integration and remotes, what a shame. That's why I think Specilized did the best job.
@@razorree Just got bike back from warranty on motor to battery cable (took over 2 weeks). Specialized didn’t cover all the labor so I had to pay. Good job big S! Well 5 rides later and my motor loses power after it warms up again. That’s how it started last time. So shops like it feels fine and I’m like go climb a big hill and then you’ll see. So it’s in for warranty again….
I think Bosch and Shimano are the least problematic but shimano makes less power.
@@leroywilliams7210 bummer, We'll see now with more Sram motors (which are the same Brose motors I believe)
Where is Polygon
Probably only about 10% of those are available in the states LOL
All while it’s Nov 2023….. 🤷🏻
those prices are f*ing ridiculous...
industrial hush hush, then manufactures must be paying their wages so why would they !!!
what a random video with no real definition...poor video !
Im buying a new one every year! Maybe every 6 months! Until I cant buy anymore!
Every year its all new, old is useless, be sure and get in early before your new bike is totally outdated.
(kidding)
I will take all the ones you dont like at a discount of course! Lol
i dont see a throttle
Hate to say it but that gas has looks sweet! Still wouldn't buy it cause its a motorbike
No sticking to a normal bike. No electric for me. waste of time and money.
B.s they cost way to much so a lot of people are just price out what a joke this why people have to get really shit kits 12k not worth fk all
nox cycles.....
Can you please get another host, he´s super annoying...!!
You can’t be serious
I now think that EMTB's are going to dominate our sport, hobby and transport. The more I see the analogue mob pushing their bikes uphill, the more I want to say, stop that nonsense.
I’d argue a Sur-Ron is better than all of these and is cheaper
Surrons aren't e-bikes. They're electric motorbikes.
@@Dents6679 Same thing. Just doesn’t have the larp pedals and is faster.
@Chops00 no, they aren't the same thing. Surrons are illegal on trails because they go over 20 mph.
@@kevinburke1325 E-Bikes go over 20mph too. So does any bike lol
Larp pedals , haha.
Pinion mgu is a toy.
Recently purchased a haibike nduro freeride with yamaha absolute banger of a shuttle bike,id ho as far to say i go faster on it dh than my current dh bike.and amazing value for money magura.ohlins,mx deemax wheels 💰
what did it cost ya?
@@Crouder 4500 from tredz unreal bike