THIS Is Where Your Gain Should Come From!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- What's the difference between amp gain and pedal gain? What is better? Let's let the tone speak for itself!
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Plugging directly into a high gain amp will always be the most rock & roll thing you can do! That being said, I don’t go for heavier sounds very often. An amp at edge of breakup with a drive and a boost as options is home base for me!
I seem to recall seeing a reel on Instagram... It was EVH and he was talking about how great it is to plug straight into an amp.
The main difference(s) internally are the impedance and voltage levels - the amp is all running from the same hi-voltage power rail and not dropping or up-converting signals to instrument or line level at various stages.
The other main part of your sound (besides you+axe) is always VOLUME. The greatest sounds require lots of air to move - the amp+speaker always matters, and a lot. A good SS amp actually has superior transient, headroom and low distortion vs the archaic tube amplifier. But we love how tubes "fail" to amplify 1:1.
We need clean linear power to best reproduce a full mix or an accurate acoustic recording - but at the instrument level, we have other priorities.
From my experience, drive pedals almost inevitably lead to a never-ending chase. I've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars trying to find the 'perfect' drive pedal, and it simply doesn't exist. The only context where I truly enjoy them is when they're going into an amp that's already breaking up... Even then, they sound and feel inferior to a cranked, dirty tube amp.
If I look back to my rig from 15+ years ago, I had it figured out... A quality guitar, a cable, and an amp. Add an effects pedal or two for flavour, and a volume boost (if needed.) Tonal minimalism has its advantages.. There's something psychological that happens when you're forced to focus on the sounds you can create with your hands, as opposed to your feet.
I find that having more flavours of drive can be really inspiring. That being said, it has to start with a quality guitar, and amp. Tone chasing is also strange as I always find that I am trying to get the same type of sound out of everything, and when I find a good pedal or amp that gets me there, then I'm interested in buying it. In the end though, I am always chasing that sound in my head....
Amp gain for the win always for me.
As I agree with this statement, I can pull off miracles with my G2 & G4 pedals tho 💪
I love having the subtleties of multiple drives on my pedal boards!
We love stacking drives!
Yeah, me too. Thanks for chiming in!
Amp gain always rules. Your amps sound great!
I don't think people have truly caught on to how great the Tilt options are, boost and Drive. Even listening on a phone you can hear it pop out against everything else.
Tilt is available on all amp models in fractal products it's crazy powerful for tone shaping. I wish it was more available!
Shawn did an amazing job in voicing that pedal with Dan. It is the most versatile pedal in the shop!
Thanks very much! Dan and I spent a lot of time on that one.
Tilt eq is awesome. I was on the hunt for a boost, and bought the Tilt Boost for its varsatility. The tilt eq and the three different low end modes did it for me. Awesome pedal.
I set my amp gain at around 3 on the dirty channel and cruise between both channels to achieve what I'm looking for. My amp is also a pedal platform type amp.
Hi Shawn. Thanks for the great video. In my humble opinion, I would say that most gigging/jobbing musicians tend to go for the pedal platform because pedals used in conjunction with combo amps not only sound great, but it is easier to carry the gear. However, for high gain tones al la "Lukather" , one cannot beat the sound of a gained up head or preamp to power amp (i.e. like my CAE 3+ se ). However, too heavy to carry to a gig.
That CAE3+ is a cool amp indeed, but yeah for day-to-day gigging out, you can't beat pedals.
Since you asked.... :) Assuming a decent tube amp, channel gain usually feels more responsive, open, clear, with more dynamics to me. If I want more gain from a tube amp that only has two or three preamp gain stages, then I prefer to maximize the channel overdrive by hitting it with a very hot but clean signal using a transparent boost pedal or maybe a Klon-like pedal. I'm never as satisfied when I use an overdrive pedal that's generating overdrive in front of an amp. While this can work quite well for highly-saturated, mid-heavy lead tones, it never feels quite as good to me as when only the channel is generating the saturation.
Right on. Thanks for watching and for chiming in on this!
I use both. I Love the gain me Ampeg gives me, however I also enjoy the gated gain that EHX gives me. When mixed together, is a thing of beauty and allows me to shred everything on Earth. I enjoy having many different gain options to mix it up and keep me lines fresh, hitting hard. Advanced Metal Distortion into Advanced Overdrive into Advanced DI into Ampeg full stacc, = awesomeness imo. Have a good one.
I've seen some like minded responses to this. It all depends on the application.
For more subtle sounds and for different colors, I tend to use the clean channel with my pedals. Going anywhere between light breakup to fairly heavy gain. Stacking different combinations of them gives me a lot of tonal variety. Also, my tremolo pedal doesn't work as well in front of the amp when using the gain channel. And yes, I rarely use the effects loop. Too much of a pain.
I mainly use the gain channel for the more heavier tunes. I set it around an AC/DC level of gain and then use an overdrive or a distortion get really higher gain sounds. So far, this has been working like a charm.
I personally use OD pedals mainly to enhance the tone shaping of my amp to help cut through the mix better. If I’m playing through a very clean amp they allow me to add gain to the amp that it’s lacking by turning up the pedals gain. When using an amp with overdrive I use them to push the natural overdrive of the amp further by cranking the volume way up on the pedal and back off on the pedal gain. There many different things you can do with them making them very versatile.
Amp gain sounds better. I like clean Fender sound and I'm cheap, so if I want to headbang a bit, it's a pedal. They suck from a touch dynamics perspective, but are fine for the chuga chuga.
I think it is a both and not either or. None of the sounds were wrong or bad. Great to have options were be able to fit sound to style quickly nd harness inspiration while it's there. Just saying. Nice vid Sean.
Thanks so much for watching!
I’ve noticed, since doing the sweet spot thing on amps, with the guitar at about 3/4 volume for push and pull, a boost to hit the amp for punch and harmonic richness, the other pedals matter a whole lot less. The character of the amp is the dominant thing in the sound and that’s a good thing! Tones I chased for 20+ years are suddenly on tap. And, the expressiveness is more pronounced.
Excellent Video!!! My pedal board is made for the D20. I use the Tilt Overdrive for everything, but I boost with the Tumnus and Tommy Iommi Laney Black County Ti-Boost. Dialing in 70s, 80s, and 90s perfection.
That's awesome! Do you use the gain boost normally or is the amp fairly clean?
Cool rig!!! Thanks for watching!
@@RevvAmps I keep the amp clean and let the treble booster drive the amp...
Great content, We the people just wish someone would run a great pedal on a pristine clean Amp to really use the pedal as it drive you would be surprised at the results...imho
I use a looper and it seems to me that it is good to have 2 or 3 different overdrive options. The final sound of two mixed tracks is easier to follow to listeners... I guess😎 So for me the Noble overdrive works perfect with the purple channel od G20. Thanks Shawn 🤘
Yeah, I bet that sounds great! Thanks for watching!
Exactly the reason i moved to lower wattage amps with killer internal gain. I have a 50W JCM800 combo and a 100W JCM2000 head but take either my Mesa Mark V:35, Hughes/Kettner GM40 or Friedman JEL20 with me to gigs. Much more versatile at lower stage volumes and don’t need a ton of pedals other than for “color” as you mentioned.
On my 80’s HIWATT I haven’t found a pedal that is better than the gain stage on that amp. On my Louis Electric Deltone Reverb. Im using up to 3 OD pedals and a boost to get different stages and It comes down to the amp and what melodies your trying to catch. Great video and love your tones. Great gear and the Shur is on my wishlist. 😂
Those HIWATT amps are killer for sure. I bet your rig sounds great!
@@ShawnTubbs Your Revv ’s sound great also. I just put a couple of GE ECC83’s in V1 and V2 today and with my Jr. with P90 straight into the amp. Man it sounds so good. It has a big sweet spot. Just plug and play for days. Hahaha.
@@cannadaincowboy Awesome! It's amazing what the right preamp tubes can do.
I prefer channel gain. But…I like to gain up the channel and goose it with a drive pedal when needed. It’s nice to have a two channel amp so I can return to a clean sound. And…then goose the clean into some dirt when needed. Kinda of like a 4 channel amp? The rest of the in between stuff I use my guitar volume. Now…to practice and be as fluent as you! Keep up the good work and carrot juice.
Haha, thanks so much!
I find a good clean and layer my pedals over it G3 fo life!!!!
The G3 is hard to beat.
I use multiple gain pedals for different flavors of gain, as you do, but I must that 100 watt channel gain sounds awesome!
Yeah, it's a big and expressive tone for sure.
love the D40 on ch 2 🔥
The valves talk and sing... Definitely prefer!
Right on, thanks for watching!!
i've been preaching this for years... amp gain is best! The problem is for those of us that like so many shades of gain, it can get really expensive having different amps to give you all those flavours, that's where pedals can really help fill in the gaps and provide more flexibility. Great video Shawn!
Thanks very much for watching! I agree with you, amp gain is awesome but pedals can cover a lot of ground!
Love me some Amp gain and both of those amps sounded fantastic! …I’m gonna look at some Revv amps now.
Right on, thanks for watching!
hit us up if you have any questions!
definitely a difference in feel between amp and pedal gain. I always gravitate towards amp gain for most mid gain stuff... High gain is always amp channel. But for low gain blues stuff I like a pedal
Yeah, true tube channel amp, high gain is awesome.
I like a combination of direct to amp tones and pedal derived dirty sounds.
If you have a great sounding dirty tone from an amp, its a waste not to use it; however pedals combined with the amp's own dirt can be very satisfying if the pedal compliments the amp and is dialed in right.
Great Q. I prefer amp gain, WITH a pedal - go figure. The girth of the amp gain is better than one pedal atop a clean(ish) channel. The extra hair (plus mid bump) from a mild gain pedal takes it where I like to be. Usually a Clinch EP-PRE, sometimes Suhr Koko for more mids, ToneFreak Naked for solos on top of highest gain 3rd channel.
Yep, that totally makes sense. Dig it!
The only difference I noticed between the Revv 120 amp gain/overdrive and the Silk tone was the amp overdrive sounded more compressed .. They both sound good !
Thanks for watching!!
As a local working musician the pedal platform works best for me for volume purposes yes I prefer amp gain first it’s really about volume for me
Very important video alert. I’m so surprised I still know people today who don’t realize any of this info exists.
I've been back and forth on this a lot. I prefer amp gain too but then I need extra cables to run delays/mods in the fx loop plus an extra cable for the amp footswitch. When stage space is limited and you're in a hurry to get everything ready (and there are already a million cables onstage) using pedal gain is much simpler. For now I'm back on pedals into a clean amp, very keen to try a valve based distortion pedal in the future though. Perhaps some of the radial stuff.
Totally makes sense! Thanks for watching!
I like a pushed clean preamp, high headroom poweramp and a great gain pedal best, unless it’s an amp that really does exactly what I want at a reasonable variety of volumes. The amp’s sweet spot is easier to dial in at a pushed clean level with a pedal pushing that, for me. If it’s metal tone I’m after, I boost a high gain amp channel (or pedal) with another pedal usually.
i feel amp gain is less compressed/processed and open, glassy sounding. but, pedals sit in a mix sometimes better. i prefer my amp gain with less gain, more open sounding, and hit it with a clean or mid boost to fatten up. I do really love my mesa single rec gain tone, but a mid boost helps getting it's tone to cut in a solo.
Right on, thanks for chiming in!
Silk tone gave That Dimartini 80s Ratt vibe right away ,,, That over drive Of yours sounds really Nice ! Gotta try one
It's cool sounding overdrive.
TBH, I've been using plugins to record at home. Perhaps, I should give my amps a go too.
I combine pedal and amp gain using a SuperSonic 60 „burn“ channel with a rc booster V2.. that sound is glorious! No pedal alone can achieve that
Right on, thanks for chiming in!
Pushing the edge to break up with a good transparent over drive is perfect for me.
I usually use the 2nd channel for more crunch and still end up pushing it with an overdrive lol
Awesome! Thanks for chiming in!
You call it channel gain, i call it tube gain and it’s the best don’t forget you can control that instantly with the guitar volume knobs and it is a different kind of clean chime sound, I use a Marshall hand wired plexi 50 watt that’s had the Jose mod done to it, to my ears it can’t be beat.
Those Jose-modded Marshalls are indeed fabulous amps.
With this top notch gear both sounds great. But I'm a pedal lover!
Right on, thanks for watching!
It's all about trying different options, and seeing what works best for you.✌️
Different Strokes for Different folks here bahd :)
@@RevvAmps remember the 90's when it seemed like everyone was using a PRS into a Dual Rectifier, and they all sounded the same... other than a few exceptions.🙉
When in the studio I will always go for amp gain. But when I'm out playing live and I can't bring my own amp, I am very happy with my Friedman Smallbox and Soldano SLO overdrive pedals. Just give a me a Deluxe Reverb and I'm good to go on any stage
Yup! Makes sense!
every tone sounded MASSIVE! Even your clean "starting" tone... if only I could take out a mortgage and buy some some epic boutique amps (and a Suhr hehe)! Someday... Stellar playing too, very tasty. Cheers from Canada
Where in Canada?
Thanks so much!
@@RevvAmpshometown is beautiful Calgary... but I'm on a mountain in BC right now hehe
@@phillsmusicalmadness pff....well....uh...I mean...we have...umm....uh....cold....and uh.....flat fields.....AANNNDDD...we're the murder capital of Canada. Take that Calgary ;)
I love all of the above! I mean...how can you not? 🤘🏻
That's a good way to live your life!!! Thanks for watching and chiming in!
Amp gain as the base always. OD/Boosts to shape it when needed.
Just did this experiment between my Friedman Twin Sister amp and the BE OD Deluxe. Great pedal but amp gain all day 🤘🏻
Right on! Thanks for chiming in!
I need to try that tilt pedal. I have the morning Glory with the red switch.
yeah you do
Shawn, if you don't mind. What is the signal path on todays vid, is that a real cab or an IR we are hearing, care to share?
And yes, amp gain is the way, I have the G3 but rarely use it these days.
Thanks for the question. The Generator 120 and D40 were both routed into my Ampete amp switcher. The amps were driving my Bogner closed-back 2x12 loaded with Celestion V30 speakers. I used a Royer R121 and an SM 57 for mics.
@@ShawnTubbs Sounded very good indeed, do you have an IR of that configuration?
You see this a lot in digital modeling and guy talking sh*t about tone, but the reality is very few people know what cranked amps sound and feels like in the room. Much less mic’d up in various combos. Few people have a studio, cabs iso’d, or play stages big enough for 100W amp to get power tube saturation going. You’d be def if you played like that a lot at home or rehearsal. And/or your neighbors would kill you.
The pedals are so good these days. We are spoiled by great choices really. Very practical and musical. But yeah… the few times I’ve had a JCM or whatever cranked… It makes you play differently. The guitar reacts differently. it’s glorious, life changing, and totally rock n roll!! 🤘😎🤘
Agreed. Mick and Dan from "That Pedal Show" host events and have musicians who haven't ever plugged into a vintage high-powered tube amp to give it a go.
It is truly life-changing.
Amp gain all day as you said it’s a feel thing. The pedals give you a variety of colors and the ability to play at volumes that won’t get you kicked out of the bar. I like simple single channel amps I have a Plexi and a blackface Bandmaster and I use them with a Weber attenuator to get the amp gently cooking and feeling good and kick it a bit with different pedals. Here’s something that kind of bugs me when you see some rig rundown on UA-cam. You’ll see ( guitar god) amp setup and they talk about how to get great tone but they play at volume levels that no player would normally be able to do in a typical gig. It’s like being in a fight with one hand tied behind your back. I would like to see you do a video on getting good sound at a variety of different volume levels. I noticed that I have to back off all my drive pedals when I use the attenuator as opposed to how I set them when I’m running the amp straight into the cabinet. When you were touring did you have your amps off stage somewhere cranked up?
When I first started touring I kept my amps off stage and it sounded great! I did that for years until management forced us to move to Fractal Audio.
The show production was crazy and we couldn't have pedal boards on stage.
Playing amps at "stage volume" will always sound best.
The variables for getting tones at lower volumes are abundant for sure, but it can be done.
Thanks for chiming in!
Love my pedals for gain of all sorts. I miss my JMP1 though that was a very happy place for high gain. Shawn did you run a JMP1 ever? pretty sure you've mentioned previously having the Mesa TriAxis which is also a beast...
I need to get a JMP1.....still waiting for prices to come back down to earth though
I never owned a JMP 1 but I built them into a few rigs for customers back in the day. I loved my TriAxis.
Yeah those TriAxis are fantastic. My Jmp1's are really high on my 'I Never Should Have Sold That' list, but you live and learn 🙂. Thanks again for the cool video @@ShawnTubbs
What is the amp your guitar is leaning on in the open. It looks familiar. A D style amp? A Brown Note? Last guess a Brown Note C-Rex? Thanks!
Why's it gotta be one or the other? We can have both. Drive pedals sound best in front of an already-distorted amp. At the end of the day, distortion is distortion. You can compare amp and pedal distortion on an oscilloscope and see that. It comes down to the "feel" thing. Amps can do the edge of breakup thing. I use pedals to get me closer to that edge of breakup tone, and then let my playing dynamics push me over the top.
No distortion is not just distortion
I have many amps and many pedals .,
The amps when run hot enough to breakup sound very different and my pedals all sound either very different or at least slightly different from one another
Maybe you’re not ABing them in real time . Because ya , if I stop and plug a different pedal in By the time I go again enough time has passed that it’s hard to tell the difference but if I have them on a switcher or an AB box or even just all in a daisy chain together and there’s very little time or no time in between switching then I can hear the differences
@@mrmatthew2443 yeah, I mean I look it more like shades. It's true that Blue is Blue, but what shade are you into......cause there is a lot. Klons aren't Tubescreamers, and Marshalls aren't Boogies :). But they are all fun :)
It's all different shades of tone and there are certainly no rules! Thanks for chiming in!
amp gain for the win..
In each case, the pedal gain sounds slightly thinner, maybe slightly shriller, more evident lo and lo mid on the amp gain. More harmonic content too
But your method is my question, what are we hearing? 4 EL 34 versus 2 6L6, are you going through a load box, with each amp? are we hearing a direct out from that, or a mic’d up speaker Are these samples you play at the same volume, for you, are the cabs in another room? and are you using monitors versus speaker cabs to get a consistent volume?
I watch Tim Pierce, with him it’s mic’d 4x12 speakers in a separate room, and his big monitor systems for himself.
UTube videos always puzzle me, because I’m listening on an IPhone, 🤣but with you here, I can still clearly hear a difference, and you are telling us exactly what you used to get those sounds. Usually I just figure if I’m not putting it through my full stereo, I’m not really getting a true representation of the sounds presented.
Those details are usually vitally important, recorded sounds versus speaker and amp in the room. I get my gain from an amp, in a fairly dead room, but I always wonder is it preamp gain or output gain, I only play at about
80-85 DB a MB 5:25 through an EVM-12L in a Theil cab. Pre amp set hi, masters set lo
It’s just so hard to get a reference to the real world and it’s been years since I played out or with other people.🙄 thanks, but I just wonder how I can relate to your excellent examples & information 🤣
I used a Bogner 2x12 closed-back loaded with Celestion V30 speakers.
I employed a Royer R10 in combination with a Shure SM 57 into my Chandler TG-2 preamp.
My interface is an Apogee Quartet.
My recording software is ProTools.
KRK V8 monitors.
@@ShawnTubbs thanks, yeah there is a reason I don’t record, I’m not going on uTube my band is pandora post Covid, I’m 68 so that’s not likely to change. The first quality speaker I bought was an EVM 12L in 1980, reconed and still in use I just bought a second one, the 1x12 cabs are birch ply bought in 86’ for $150 each 😳 KK audio, long gone. Once you use a flat response speaker, especially one as efficient and touch sensitive as these, nothing else sounds right. Santana is my touch tone.
I’ll subscribe, good content🙂
Thanks , another great topic and great video
I like that you talk about nuances and have a good ear for fine
Wonderful
Good ear for tone ., I meant
@@mrmatthew2443 He's got one of the best sets of ears, we keep trying to figure out how to replicate them and sell em to other players....
Thanks so much for watching!
Tube Amp distortion has a tightness and natural compression that I am yet to find in a pedal. My demonfx tube screamer gets close but not quite there.
I've never checked out the Demon FX stuff. You like it?
I have owned some high end pedals, and for the price, they sound stupid good and are quiet. I have no idea how they do it at that price point. Usually, clone pedals get close but are noisy. The demonfx ts red gets scary close to my rocker terror tone wise.
@@vmathias2023 Cool!
I've always thought the pedal chasing was pretty silly when most amps already have a great OD channel?
Pedals can add versatility on the fly but if you've got a tone you dig, there's no reason to go down the rabbit hole.
just more flavours of drive :)
I have a few distortion pedals and none of them sound so good as the marshall being driven.
Yeah, it's pretty hard to match the glory of a cranked Marshall.
5min in and I'm still confused what he's trying to get at
So, does the Clean channel on that big Revv amp do cleans as good as it does dirt ? I have not found a channel switching amp that both the clean and the dirty channel are both extremely good . I quit looking and am now just doing pedal platform amp thing.. So far, to have a really" Great Overdrive Amp "sound and a" Great Clean Amp "sound, I would have to use two amps ! I would love to find an amp that does both extremely well.
The clean channel on the G50 sounds great. It's definitely a high-headroom channel, but it still takes pedals nicely.
Amp gain all day every day
Def Channel gain
Cool!
There’s a thump to the amp gain that is missing from the pedal
Agreed.
🔥
Amp gain all day
A $3000 amp with a $200 pedal in front? Hello Mcfly
Amps are great. Unless you live in an apartment or shared house
Yeah, a loud amp in an apartment is a booger.
That's why things like the Two notes Torpedo Captor X, or the Ox Box are such amazing tools to have available!
I don't usually enjoy demos a lot because you can tell they're simply gear promos and hastily done with terrible tones. Yours are anything but that though. You are actually demoing stuff in a useful manor.
Shawn does a great job of trying to showcase real world uses of gear on our channel, rather than trying to tell you to buy it. We want people to be able to hear our gear in the context that they might use it, and then decide if it is a good fit for them. I haven't met anyone else yet that understands how to get great sounds, and how to dial in gear for different uses. Shawn is simply the best :)
Thanks very much!
"Where your -gain- volume should come from!" = same thing.
The fun part is that essentially **every pre-power amp stage is a kind of "failure" stage.** The saturation and harmonics is a result of _failing_ to raise volume in a linear 1:1 reproduction of the input signal. Instead we get clipping and compression. The first distortion devices were reproducing a broken circuit and/or speaker cone. Fuzz, OD and "distortion" (cascaded OD) are all attempting to create a "musically appealing failure" to amplify linear (i.e. clean) output.
I like a clean amp and use a preamp for my gain. Sometimes it’s a Fuzz Face and throttle it with the volume knob..
Cool!
Amp gain every time.
Pedal to push front of amp, if needed.
Right on, thanks for watching!
Amp gain fantastic. Pedals sound thin and fizzy.
I have been a channel/amp gain person up until a little over a year ago. I rarely used pedals. Schenker fan in me.
I started getting into the pedals after watching guys like Shawn, Justin Ostrander, Andy Wood,... and how versatile they can be on an amp a lower volumes. I then started getting into modding some old Boss pedals I had and have been recently building Aion FX kits (based on the ODR-1, Mostortion and a FF.) Now I am an addict. A thrifty one but still an addict. So cheap I made a pedal board out of leftover pieces of aluminum fencing we had installed. It is awesome IMO :)
Brian
Michael Schenker was amazing. Distortion, Fuzz, and OD pedals came about because guitar players wanted a cranked Marshall sound at lower levels. Of course, they just ended up plugging those transistor-based pedals into a cranked Marshall. All joking aside, pedal builders are really building some great-sounding and inspiring machines for guitar players these days. Good for you Brian!! I bet your rig sounds great!
@@ShawnTubbs ". Of course, they just ended up plugging those transistor-based pedals into a cranked Marshall." HaHa. One of my Amps is an '81 JCM 800 4210 2 channel amp that gets a lot of grief. The guy I bought it from had the the diodes clipped or removed. Enter my pedals to basically reverse (not really) that mod. I love that amp. It rocks.
It is getting there, my rig I mean thanks to scions like you and the others.
Thanks for the help.
Brian
Amp gain for rhythm with pedal gain for solos. Simple.
Makes sense. Thanks for watching!
You can get great tone out of a 120-watt overdrive channel - but the volume will make your ears bleed.
...and what if you don't have a gain on your amp..and band play cover AC&DC,ZZ TOP and all that shit....does smile helps😂.
Fuzz and OD and you're off the the races.
@@ShawnTubbs thanks Shawn...keep posting...cheers.
Had me til the coffee slurp.🤮
Haha, it was carrot juice. I would never slurp espresso.
so, back to the title, where is 'the' gain 'should' come from?
what's the point of this video?
Which did you like more?
So... the video title is just clickbait then.
Nah, it's just meant to show that both are great options, and there isn't really a right or wrong way to go, just whatever works/feels best to you.
Gain... it's not what you tink it is.
You are confusing distortion with gain.
Gain = The amplification of a signal.
Nothing more, nothing less
Fact: There are clean amps with more gain then an SLO 100...
I hate it when people try to eggsplain technical stuff, using the wrong terms....
I understand your point.
That said, you won't often read an advert or promotion with the term "High Distortion" amp in the title.
Gain is indeed, amplification. In a cascading gain amplifier as you increase gain or amplification into the next stage it creates "distortion" or in this case, tube "overdrive".
Most guitar players will, with you being a rare exception refer to gain within the parameters or context of overdrive or distortion.
Semantics...
@@ShawnTubbs weird, but true
Or your gain should come from wherever the F you want it to come from. If its a 20$ joyo pedal malfunctioning and sounds good then that wheremy gain should come from. There are few thing more repulsive than someone telling you the right way to create art, especially When they make fizzy thin sounding hi gain amps.
Naw. Just get an Orange rocker verb and ditch the pedals
I’ve never played one. You dig it?
Absolutely unnecessary to have so many different overdrive tones . Pick 3 stick with it. No one will know the difference!
Sometimes it doesn't matter so much whether the audience notices or not. Sometimes it's about the way it makes you feel when you hear and feel it responding to your playing and the confidence it gives you that you've spent the time dialing in the "perfect" sound! If you think it sounds better, it'll make you play better because of that
Kinda like how the audience probably doesn't care what brand and model guitar you play. Sometimes it's just not about them, necessarily, but it works to their benefit because the more comfortable and confident you feel, the better your performance will probably be
I'm not so much concerned about the audience these days. If I'm not happy with my sound, it will reflect in my playing and the audience will notice.
^ This. The same reason that a really high end guitar makes no difference to the audience, but it does to the player. The happier and more inspired the player is, the better they are going to play normally :)
Cascaded channel gain. Nobody has been able to replicate it quite right without tubes. That said, it is only a matter of time.
Yeah, it's hard to go wrong with tubes.
Personally, I think the best answer is both! My absolute favorite way to play through my amps is on the high gain channel, with the gain set relatively low for how it sounds (usually not even halway up), and an overdrive hitting the front with the level boosted and the gain even lower than what the amp is set to.
I let my amp do most of the work, then use my overdrives on my board like different sauces/seasonings to flavor the amp differently. It gives me that satisfying tube response with just a skosh of the tighter sound from the pedals.
Then, once you account for the option of different volume settings on your guitar, different combinations of overdrives on your board, and the different chanels on the amp, it gives you access to a pretty wide pallette of tonal options
Agreed!!! We all tend to forget about the volume control on the guitar.
I currently got a similar setup going - I’m running an Ibanez Tube King, with the gain at about half, plus or minus depending on my mood. I got a Mr Black Deuce Coupe overdrive / boost in front of it that really fattens things up. It’s almost an “always on” pedal, I’m really digging it. I usually keep the levels fairly low on it - just enough for a little breakup on it’s own.
Having those plugged into my the low gain channel on my Sovtek MIG 60 makes for a pretty good range of sounds in conjunction with my guitar’s volume knob. The little extra something something is my Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe - Adds a nice hint of old school color. But honestly, I can’t wait to get my Fryette Hundred CL fixed and back in action - IMO nothing beats a proper high gain amp.
I hear channel gain a lot “heavier” and “throatier”. I dig using pedals, they’re easy, fun and a fast way to instantly grab gain and different tonal effects, but for pure raw gain, my choice is the gain on a well heated up tube amp.
…but geez SHAWN, your tone through anything!!!! Blows me away! You just have “IT” ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💙
You're very kind, thanks so much.
Man, besides amp gain and pedal gain i hear the big difference in the power section. I love 100w couse where the freq sits, they are more spread and less compresed, they feel bigger. Great video as allways
I think the G120 is 120W with 6L6GC's. You may be hearing more compression from the D40, but it's because the plate V is lower. The reason an amp with more tube pairs sounds bigger is that the S-curve is more gradual, but there may be other factors in the relative designs affecting the sound.
Yeah, I get it. The quad set of EL34s in the 120 can bring some big spread-out tones.
@@ShawnTubbs Oh, EL34's both compress more and have a smoother S-Curve than 6L6GC's.
I love having my amp do all the work, while getting the different subtleties from my guitar. The ability to achieve this greatly depends on the amp and guitar being used, of course.
Pedals here in Chile are super useful, we dont have too much room for expensive amps on gigs, so a revv g3/g4 in my case works wonders on anything that the venue gives me: crappy stack and no return? dont mind: pepper dirty tree + revv g3/g4 can sound massive and killer anyway and anywhere! powerful tools and affordable price for the value!
Awesome! Glad those pedals are working out for you!
Everything sounded great, but there were definitely more overtones with the 120 - I played the vid with studio monitors, so I could hear the difference pretty well. I've switched out a lot of gear to have modelers, but I still have a couple of heads so I can crank them through a Captor X. Even with good modeled tones (HX), when I switch back to tubes, I can feel it right away.
Too may damm pedals with too many freaking knobs to mess with. I concluded just get a good Amp and concentrate on playing good. That speaks alot more to any set of ears.
Both are great
Channel gain primarily with a boost in front for me.
Cool! Thanks for chiming in!
I find channel gain cleans up a little better with guitar volume. Pedals get a little grainy for my taste.
My Friedman IRX kinda gives me the best of both worlds. Pedal drive on the Plexi channel and that big channel gain on the BE side.
That's normally my thought on the difference between pedals vs amp gain....pedals normally feel a bit grainier
Yeah, I get it. Thaks so much for chiming in!
High output pickups into a high gain amp, imo sounds the best. I guess it depends on what genre. Great players like yourself don't need tons of gain to sound great.
Amp distortion way better! My preference is compression/sustainer pedal into an amp. Can’t beat that…