I really don't get why Jen keeps her hands on the wheel? her nudging the wheel is definitely what kicked it out of FSD... Alex is at least using GM's Super Cruise as it was intended where as Jen is not really using here system correctly.
Exactly. FSD never “kicked her out”, as a driver of FSD Beta (now FSD Supervised) for the last four years, it has NEVER done that. She simply doesn’t know the first thing about the system or how it works
I understand wanting to keep your hands near the wheel, it is safer. It just rubs the FSD drivers/fans the wrong way since many of them don’t touch the wheel anymore
Pretty sure FSD didn't "kick you off". I think you probably applied too much torque to the wheel (which is completely understandable, given that you were worried about how close to the wall it was driving) and this disconnected FSD.
Yep 100% she disengaged it and it didn't kick her out. The truck would of been fine but it does get too close for comfort. Also the speed issue is somewhat resolved in version 13. I'm sure she is on 12.
Wow TFL needs people who know these systems before they go compare them. There are profiles on FSD and so many other things that affect the speed and assertiveness. Jen disengaged by turning the wheel...
Please redo this video with staff that is up to speed with the different systems. With FSD you don’t need to touch the wheel. This is really misleading for people that have not experienced Tesla FSD.
In both vehicles, drivers made mistakes causing issues. They just keep putting clueless people in these reviews. In the Hummer ev off-road they got stuck because they didn't know how to engage lockers. Embarrassing incompetence.
So should she have let it possibly crash? I doubt Tesla would pay for the repairs since the driver is supposed to be monitoring (which is what she did by moving the wheel). If correcting the system's mistake results in it "disengaging" then it is the same as it "kicking you out."
@ well that’s a dumb reply. “Kicking you out” and you disengaging it are completely different things. FSD does not just kick you out with no warning, that is very dangerous. If she just said she disengaged because she was uncomfortable then fine but she didn’t.
Supercruise is not considered Full Self Driving. As others have said, I believe the construction zones had a lot to do with the need to take control, as the lanes had clearly shifted.
Seriously, the Tesla System gets a pass because it's the system's literal name (not okay). However these systems should properly be referred to as "ADAS", "driver assist", "hands free cruise control", ect. But they should not be called "full self driving systems". "Full self driving competitors" fine, but not "full self driving". Which is funny because it clashes with the conclusion of the video, and the point the hosts were trying to make. That these systems are observation only.
@@khoatran9482 doesn't seem to work well in tunnels from my test drive but maybe that was just a coincidental disengagement. I had a lot of those during my test drive. Also only works on highway so it's essentially autopilot at best and not FSD. Being able to tow using FSD will be a future software update.
@@lochnessmonster4518 FFSD better all around. But I've driven over 20k mi with super cruise. And my daily commute is about 90% supercruise. It's not perfect but it's been nearly flawless even in snow and rainstorms, and yes even in tunnels and less stressful than past FFSD. I have not tried the newer version 13.xx of FFSD.
@TheRogueAttraction yeah.. it's a company wide vendetta against Tesla because they have never given them a press car. TFL is accustome to being flown to fancy locations, put up in nice hotels, and wined and dined for the press releases of most OEM's vehicles. Tesla doesn't do that sort of thing and TFL doesn't understand that and take it personal. They do silly things like buy a Model 3 performance in 2023 and sell it the next year when the redesign all new 2024 model has came out. Then they complain about the resale value like it's some kind of anomaly. It pathetic. Not one mention/acknowledgement about the fact that they bought the most expensive trim (always the highest depreciation for mass production vehicles) and the other fact that the brand new model came out when they were selling it. Like what would happen if you bought a loaded M4 that was out for 7 years and then sold it the next year when the new model came out??? Like come on. With tesla they lose all common sense every time.
@@jenniferspencer3095 No they aren't, that hasn't been required in a very long time. Was called 'Nag' when you had to touch the steering wheel periodically throughout the drive. You no longer need to do any of this
It still astounds me that after all these years there are still automotive "EXPERTS" out there that still do not know how Teslas work. And you are pairing one system thats almost robotaxi ready to a system thats basically a party trick.
Just like the Hummer EV off road video. They go stuck because they couldn't turn on the lockers because they didn't read the manual that clearly states to hold the button for 5 seconds in terrain mode. These people are incompetent.
I think you're missing an important point. They do testing for every day people and your typical driver is not going to read the manual. They're most likely going to just get in and start driving and figure out how to do full self driving on the fly.
I’m not sure how I’m supposed to feel about this. It’s like they don’t ’practice’ what they do, or mention that they are on some of the most technically difficult sections of the US interstate system. I definitely don’t like fan boy reviews like Dirty Tesla, but these videos could be so much better.
I am not sure I want to argue about software versions to the fourth digit when it comes to vehicles driving safely and not causing problems or crash. The stakes are a bit higher than for iPhone software versions.
My biggest issue with me getting a new car other than Tesla is the full self driving works on city streets and rural roads whereas all these other systems from Ford and Chevy require mapped major highways. That’s a deal killer. My hundred mile commute is all rural roads.
Most of my road trips are across rural Georgia and Alabama. I’ve been pleased with how many back country roads are compatible with Super Cruise. It does cancel out as you approach towns though. I don’t really mind that, it helps put me on notice to slow down and look for cops. Once you get through the town, SC is available again.
They no longer have either vehicle in their fleet (traded in the CT for an ID Buzz and the Silverado was clearly a manufacturer loaner). This is a comparison of what both vehicles were capable of when they ran the test. If Tesla and GM want to provide vehicles for them to test again I'm sure they would be happy to, but they have limited financial resources and can't hold on to a Cybertruck forever.
At the 13 min mark, FSD didn’t cancel she did by holding onto the wheel when truck was in control of the steering wheel. When FSD aborts it tells you before and flashes a red screen telling you to take over
Wow! From your comments you were clearly prejudiced against the CT. There is no need to keep your hands on the wheel with FSD. She never specified how she had the FSD set (chill, standard or aggressive) nor did she state what she set her maximum speed to. All that makes a difference in what speed the FSD decides to drive. The truck didn't cancel FSD Jen did by overriding the the steering. Also, what version of FSD was the CT using? V13 is the most current and is much better than V12
It’s possible, but I’ve been really impressed with how SC sees through sunglasses. At first I thought it was just cutting me some slack due to the sunglasses but I’ve tested it by rolling my eyes away from the road (I had my wife in the passenger seat watching for any hazards) and it was able to tell where my eyes were looking even through my sunglasses.
Appreciate your videos! But just so you know, Tesla FSD will only kick you out/disengage if you tap on the brake or turn the steering wheel. If the truck kicks you out, it will show up in red and beep, telling you to take over.
Supercruise disconnected because of being in a construction zone (IMO from what I saw in your video); better safe than sorry (you still have to pay attention).
Yeah. That last disengagement was definitely a construction zone issue. You can even see on the road where the new lane marks were painted and the old lane marks were still visible.
Yes, that zone that started inside the tunnel looks like an area where supercruise would not work. We have it in our car and it works most of the time. Newly established construction zones do cause it to shut down. We are very happy with it. Actually supercruise is a little aggressive when auto lane change is on. We just turn that off and manually change lanes.
@@craigzellner4159 I haven't used the version with auto lane change. If that's something that can be turned on and off, I wonder whether they had it disengaged for this video.
@ It looks like it was turned off based on what I could see in the video. It can be turned on and off by the driver. Settings > Vehicle Personalization > Super Cruise Lane Change.
No comparison. FSD can drive just about anywhere. Bluecruise only highways. So GM is touting just a beefed up cruise control feature. Also are you using FSD 13.2? Big difference from previous version.
Hey guys, you didn’t notice the “construction zone speed limit”? Speed limit 45. You’re going too fast to be legal. This time, it the drivers behind the wheel.
Try using the FSD 13.2.2 update, it’s truly incredible. Got over 1000 miles on it the last few days road trips and city driving it does basically everything.
Wearing dark, reflective sunglasses when comparing an automaker with a very conservative DMS against an automaker that refers to driver monitoring as "nagging" is a bit suspect. I've had Super Cruise disengage after I watched a truck in my sideview for a couple of seconds too long, but I don't blame it. The primary purpose of self driving systems should be safety; convenience should be secondary.
You really need to state the software version when you do these test. Just saying latest doesn't help when we don't know when you filmed this. My guess is this is not the latest as there is no mention of speed profiles - aka - chill, standard, and hurry. The current latest for CT is 13.2.2 as of 12/26/2024 and it is quite good and only going to get better. Blue cruise is nice but doesn't compare well to FSD and only works on pre-mapped roads.
Bro fraud self driving has had more updates than you can ever track - it's not going to get magically better in a months time, and it will NEVER work as Tesla claims.
The fact that you have to make the statement that an American Flag wrap is divisive is disgusting. Anyone who believes it's divisive or is offended by it should be ashamed.
Always quote the FSD version when doing a test! It improves/changes very quickly, so important to know how old this version is! The speed issues have been resolved in the latest versions for example
This is the first video of your's I've seen and I am pretty impressed. I only have FSD for my Model Y, so I can't say Jen didn't have problems with the Cybertruck. When a driver gets nervious, it is very easy to disengage FSD without realizing you tugged on the wheel. FSD on the Cybertruck is programmed with a newer and small data set compared to the rest of Tesla's cars, so it may still have some rough edges that have finally been smoothed out on FSD for the cars. FSD often cuts its speed becasuse there is specific logic to slow down on what it thinks may be windy, narrow or bumpy roads. FSD with towing may be a challenge until Tesla has some way of putting rear view cameras on the back of the trailer and calibrating them for position, height and distance behind. FSD was specifically designed to need to see well to the rear, so I doubt Cybertruck will allow FSD with a trailer until they have a camera add-on. You'd want these camera's any way so you can back up a trailer, especially a boat trailer. FSD and the Cybertruck are both works in progress. Fortunately Tesla has huge teams working on both FSD and the Cybertruck to make them better. Pricewise, you could have put the current $80,000 Cybertruck up against the $96,000 Silverado and justified the price difference with the extra range of the SIlverado. I don't know enough about the SIlverado to comment much on it. Maybe another reader of your's will.
When it comes to Nissan’s Pro-Pilot 2.0 hands-free system, it kicks offline when it sees orange traffic cones and barrels along the side of the road - since it considers that a construction zone. Nissan Pro-Pilot 2.0 works fine with handsfree driving when towing a trailer too. I recall GM’s Supercruise doesn’t like it when lane configuration gets changed in construction, much like Nissan. This section of interstate looks to be an unending section of re-stripes, lane adjustments, temporary barriers and barrels - and Supercruise will shut off when the recorded LIDAR mapping doesn’t match what the cameras and GPS sees. You guys should do testing on sections of road that aren’t all torn up.
I got off the video after 2 minutes reading the comments where I see people say she doesn't know how to use FSD. So, if this is made out of ignorance and they end up claiming Silverado system is better (which isn't), it's just dumb.
They claim neither system is really up to par. And if you are supposed to take your hands off the wheel, why doesn't a message to that effect appear on the screen?
No, the Cybertruck's FSD did not disengage, Jen did, by trying to steer it to the right. It wasn't about to hit the wall, she just doesn't know how it works. She was freaking out over nothing.
@@Marco-ce8kr Ummm, yeah, the Tesla wasn't moving towards the barrier, it was just closer than she was comfortable with. The real problem is the way she reported it, saying that it self-disengaged. You can clearly see her jerk her hand on the wheel in a very unnatural quick jerk. She disengaged FSD manually, and tried to pretend that she didn't. It seems like purposefully biased coverage. At least that is consistent with the last 7 years of TFL coverage of Tesla. They think people can't see this because they are clever. But only the dumbest people can't see it. I don't know how they sleep at night pushing false and misleading narratives.
I've driven thousands of miles with Super Cruise engaged in my Bolt EUV. Overall, the system is great, but it isn't meant to work in construction zones where this test was done. The system is meant for open highways to reduce fatigue, not so much for the most winding stretch of I-70 in the US
Since Tesla is updating the software versions for FST every few weeks, I would have loved to have heard you guys specify which version you were using at the time of the test. I loved that you actually did a comparison test, though, as I haven't seen anybody else do it!
I don't think this was a good test for either vehicle because you seemed to be in a construction zone the entire time. I realize that construction is a constant occurrence but since it is still a new technology you probably should have chosen a different stretch of highway.
Need some reviewers who read the manual first, or maybe read some owner forums first. You don’t “set the speed” on the Cybertruck, you tell it the amount you are willing to let it go over the speed limit to keep up with traffic. The truck can see the road and knows based on the road conditions and the traffic and it decides how fast to go. And it can do that anywhere, not just on certain highways like the Chevy.
I'm glad FSD is continuing to improve, although the reliance on cameras and no radar or lidar would keep me from opting for it were I acquiring a new Tesla.
I get that the reviewers didn’t understand or weren’t fully aware why the trucks “kicked” them out of their self driving modes but my defense for them is that many of your regular everyday customers who may purchase these vehicles might not know how all of this works either. Granted dropping 100k for a truck, you would hope the customer would research every bit of the vehicle and its features, but some people will pick either of these two up may just buy it because they look cool and expect their self driving features to just work with minimal understanding or effort.
This isn't a fair comparison at all. I don't own a Chevy EV but when I was EV shopping even I was told that super cruise isn't full self driving. Whereas Tesla's is considered full self driving because it can get you to your destination without you touching the wheel at all. Hell, there's even been news reports of people sleeping behind the wheel on their way to work in their Tesla... Even legislators have been trying to get Tesla to rename or tweak their full self driving to classify it as "level 2" so people don't rely on it completely like they've been doing...it is by all accounts a safety hazard and probably why other manufacturers don't incorporate it fully on their cars... Other ev's have some kind of safety measure so that you have to take control from time to time, whether it's a sensor for your eyes or timed touch sensor on the steering wheel... The car I settled for ('23 ev6) has a timed sensor where I can let go of the wheel but if I haven't touched it within 2 or 3 minutes it gives an oncreen warning, and if I go longer it will vibrate the wheel and then it will disengage if you don't at least interact with the wheel once...this, along with lane centering and adaptive cruise control is enough to give you an ALMOST hands/peddle free ride. Which is safer than what Tesla has to offer. Next time, maybe try comparing apples to apples.
I tried Bluecruise for first time traveling for holidays on my F150 Lightning. It was decent but I actually started getting nauseous as it was compensating for the curves. A three year sub came with the truck but when that's done doesn't seem to justify and I'd rather drive myself.
In the Cybertruck, it seemed to hug the left side of the lane when you were headed into the sun. I wonder if the glare going into the glass lenses of the camera was washing out the image.
Geez, Chill out people... Yeah, Jen touching the wheel is what booted you out of FSD, but with V12 I did the same thing as it was for sure too close to the left wall. Jen, I also would be interested in if you are running the latest FSD 13.2? I had the exact speed control issue and that update seems to have fixed it for good. With FSD 13.2, confidence is really high on it performing nearly flawless.
The RST towing capacity is 10,000 lbs, the only one so far with 12,500 is the 3WT. The bed not having the split from the cab is the same as the old Chevy Avalanche which also had the folding cab option. GM should have named it the Avalanche EV 😂.
I have Tesla Model Y with Trailer Hitch, and it can use FSD with a Trailer on Interstate. Now if Cybertruck can use FSD with latest update of 13.2 no idea there. As for the Cybertruck disengagement, I noticed on that part you had your hands on the wheel, and it’s a fine line before the steering input and the point where it thinks you’re taking control.
Does FSD not support letting the user spin the volume or speed dial instead of tugging on the wheel ? (My 2018 model 3 did for AP; not sure if things have changed )
When Alex is not happy the fandom is not happy. 😂. Well done our iconic goat I’m proud of you. Jenn Outstanding as well. Also. Alex. Congratulations to you as well 5 years at Tfl now. So proud of you I’m beyond proud of you
Driving into the sun is the most difficult thing for the supercruise system to do. I assume the same can be said for FSD. Read the manual first, then test vehicle.
It did not kick you out... You are not competent enough to be driven by FSD. Also always get the version number out. It gets updates and is not the same after a month..
Cyber Trucks are polarizing... Ugly as hell... Has nothing to do with the wrap. In my neck of the woods, CT drivers are how we tell who the village idiot is. lolol They are growing on me over time... I do own a model Y performance and love it.
That was lane drifting, it does it on local and highway. Even when there is a vehicle beside you it tends to drift awfully close by drifting. Sometimes at a red light it will start to go. Those are the two biggest regressions I hate about FSD 13.2.2
If the CT is an early version 12 then it had a setting that allowed it to 'select' the 'best' speed, and it would routinely drop speed. That has been changed, Version 13 is much better. Use the CT visualization to know what it is seeing and how it will react.
If you have FSD 13 and still have the CT. Try a drive from the office. You cannot really understand how superior FSD is if you only use the GM 'pre-mapped' routes.
Normally also a fan of TFLEV, but I agree with many others that this review was problematic at best. From a safety point of view, here are some quick issues: 1. Calling FSD GM Supercruise “self driving” is incorrect, despite various marketing claims. Both are Level 2 ADAS. For short, at least just call them “driver assist” which is what they are rated as 2. Putting these systems in situations for which they are not recommended, such as a construction zone, is a lose-lose proposition because if they don’t work you claim the system struggles, but if they do fine you give the misguided impression that they should be used here 3. I don’t represent GM, but I have a feeling if you asked them about using Super cruise as you did here, they would advise that the system isn’t rated for difficult situations and the driver should use their best judgment In short … not a fan of torture tests like this without serious disclaimers upfront that you are going against the manufacturer’s recommended use of these systems
Supercruise is the way I would like to use these systems. Sort of a more capable cruise control. I am not turning over control of the driving to a computer. If you look at some of the crash videos involving Tesla drivers using FSD, from the cameras you can see some of the hazards that are about to be a problem, yet the drivers do nothing about it. Accidents are a time and money inconvenience, why people put all their trust in FSD is beyond me.
The Silverado EV definitely looks much better than the Cybertruck, I'm not even a fan of big wheels but those wheels look great on that truck. 2 questions... Does Silverado EV do over the air updates? So if they update Supercruise, you won't have to go to the dealer? Also, can you make a video where you try to let Cybertruck take you all the way to your destination? (I realize you've traded it in on the ID BUZZ, but next time you get one). Is it true GM plans a TrailBoss version of this truck? That'd be cool. I'd love to see how it compares off-road to other EVs.
Supercruise handles interventiions much better, with the flashing red light giving warning, rather than just beeping and the system suddenly being off.
That’s because it didn’t disengage. SHE disengaged it by applying pressure to the wheel because she doesn’t know what she is doing. When it kicks you out it does show a red steering wheel and makes a loud beep.
The Tesla will slow down in construction sites that you passed and it will always keep 5mph below posted speed limit from my experience in my Model X. I used it for 74mile trip and when it sees a tractor trailer it will move over in the lane to keep clear of the tractor trailer and once it passes it will recenter itself in the lane again. If it sees a person on the shoulder it will slow down and really slow down if the person is close to the white line that on the shoulder....had that happen when passing a couple of surveyors on the road. The only problem I had was in a school zone with a flashing line requiring 20mph and it was doing 35mph where it was posted and it never slowed down and thats when I applied the brakes., Other than that it took me from my door to the destination door. its really not fair to compare the Silverado super cruise to a Tesla FSD....its almost like comparing a flip phone to an iPhone ....give it time GM will improve. Thanx for the Video.
I think the summation cleared up some things, so I didn’t mind the lack of familiarity with the driving systems as much. But you have to get through the whole video to get there! For the next video, please state which versions you’re using. You said a bunch of hardware specs, but not software specs
You guys have no idea how Tesla FSD works. You do not keep a hand on the wheel any longer. If you put it in a more aggressive mode it will go faster. The version 13 that is installing on Teslas this week is a game changer. Also the Tesla FSD can be used everywhere and parks itself and you can summon it to you when your not in it.
They sold the CT earlier this month. Maybe Tesla should have upgraded it sooner? And does the truck tell you these fun facts or do you have to do Internet research to find out?
@stephenj4937 if you pay that much for a vehicle you should take a little time to figure out how it works. They had a version of FSD that would negotiate all roads not just interstates and do it precisely even using the turn signals etc. They chose to use it in a manner that looked like it was amateur hour.
@@is6566You really have no idea what has happened in the last 3 weeks with Tesla do you? Take 5 minutes and look at Whole Mars Catalog or aidriver channels as a sample.
I dont care what version fsd it has if they are going to call it full swlf driving that better be what it is and not have glitches like reducing your speed for no reason. Great job tfl team for showing how this system is beta at best. Jen worked for tesla she knows it better than anyone else. He clearly stated the systems are different so quit trying to say it isnt a fare comparison. They wanted to show the differences not that they are the same. Pay attention to the video people.
Lol Tesla fanboys commenting are wild. Jen felt the need to correct the system, that's why she touched the wheel, and that was when it booted her. Which is as designed, and describes a failing in the system, as it got close enough to a barrier that she felt the need to correct it If she was booted 10 times because it didn't like her touching the wheel whatsoever, and did so even when she didn't apply a correcting force, then you could say she used it wrong, but that didn't happen Chill
this is a half-baked effort. both drivers should have been comfortable with the respective automated driving systems that they tested...clearly they aren't...especially the one using the CT who claimed that the FSD didn't do its job when it's fairly obvious she wasn't just not that confidence with her knowledge of how it functions.
I really don't get why Jen keeps her hands on the wheel? her nudging the wheel is definitely what kicked it out of FSD... Alex is at least using GM's Super Cruise as it was intended where as Jen is not really using here system correctly.
Exactly. FSD never “kicked her out”, as a driver of FSD Beta (now FSD Supervised) for the last four years, it has NEVER done that. She simply doesn’t know the first thing about the system or how it works
I understand wanting to keep your hands near the wheel, it is safer. It just rubs the FSD drivers/fans the wrong way since many of them don’t touch the wheel anymore
@ there’s a difference between wanting to keep your hands near it for safety. And holding the wheel and not letting the system just work like Alex was
@ they should’ve swapped cars 1/2 way or did a loop style if they’re going to have such different driving styles
Pretty sure FSD didn't "kick you off". I think you probably applied too much torque to the wheel (which is completely understandable, given that you were worried about how close to the wall it was driving) and this disconnected FSD.
Yep 100% she disengaged it and it didn't kick her out. The truck would of been fine but it does get too close for comfort. Also the speed issue is somewhat resolved in version 13. I'm sure she is on 12.
Wow TFL needs people who know these systems before they go compare them. There are profiles on FSD and so many other things that affect the speed and assertiveness. Jen disengaged by turning the wheel...
Please redo this video with staff that is up to speed with the different systems. With FSD you don’t need to touch the wheel. This is really misleading for people that have not experienced Tesla FSD.
Correct! And Supercruise is not a FSD system.
Unfortunately, they've already sold the cyber truck so until there's a refresh or someone lends them another, that's not going to be possible
@ TFL is a well known and wealthy company. They can get a truck borrowed very easily.
In both vehicles, drivers made mistakes causing issues. They just keep putting clueless people in these reviews. In the Hummer ev off-road they got stuck because they didn't know how to engage lockers. Embarrassing incompetence.
FSD didn’t “kick you out” you can clearly see you put to much force on the steering wheel because you were nervous by the wall, so it disengaged.
So should she have let it possibly crash? I doubt Tesla would pay for the repairs since the driver is supposed to be monitoring (which is what she did by moving the wheel).
If correcting the system's mistake results in it "disengaging" then it is the same as it "kicking you out."
@@stephenj4937 ever seen a video where one of the millions of Teslas on the road ever hit a divider while using FSD?
@ well that’s a dumb reply. “Kicking you out” and you disengaging it are completely different things. FSD does not just kick you out with no warning, that is very dangerous. If she just said she disengaged because she was uncomfortable then fine but she didn’t.
"Its hugging the left side" switches to show camera footage of it centered in lane.
Supercruise is not considered Full Self Driving. As others have said, I believe the construction zones had a lot to do with the need to take control, as the lanes had clearly shifted.
Seriously, the Tesla System gets a pass because it's the system's literal name (not okay).
However these systems should properly be referred to as "ADAS", "driver assist", "hands free cruise control", ect.
But they should not be called "full self driving systems". "Full self driving competitors" fine, but not "full self driving".
Which is funny because it clashes with the conclusion of the video, and the point the hosts were trying to make. That these systems are observation only.
The drawback with all the other self driving platforms is Tesla's FSD can be used on other roads, not just highways.
Also, FSD continues to work with no clear sight of the sky and no internet connectivity.
@@lochnessmonster4518so does my supercruise lol
@@khoatran9482 doesn't seem to work well in tunnels from my test drive but maybe that was just a coincidental disengagement. I had a lot of those during my test drive. Also only works on highway so it's essentially autopilot at best and not FSD. Being able to tow using FSD will be a future software update.
@@lochnessmonster4518 FFSD better all around. But I've driven over 20k mi with super cruise. And my daily commute is about 90% supercruise. It's not perfect but it's been nearly flawless even in snow and rainstorms, and yes even in tunnels and less stressful than past FFSD. I have not tried the newer version 13.xx of FFSD.
That is by design, not a drawback. Personally, I think anyone using FSD in a school or residential zone should be ticketed for reckless driving.
I feel like y'all just pulled a Clarkson Top Gear Tesla thing here kinda.
Basically every video involving tesla they do something completely inaccurate. I've gotten used to it at this point.
@larryspiller15 Ahh so some bias is definitely showing gotcha.
@TheRogueAttraction yeah.. it's a company wide vendetta against Tesla because they have never given them a press car. TFL is accustome to being flown to fancy locations, put up in nice hotels, and wined and dined for the press releases of most OEM's vehicles. Tesla doesn't do that sort of thing and TFL doesn't understand that and take it personal. They do silly things like buy a Model 3 performance in 2023 and sell it the next year when the redesign all new 2024 model has came out. Then they complain about the resale value like it's some kind of anomaly. It pathetic. Not one mention/acknowledgement about the fact that they bought the most expensive trim (always the highest depreciation for mass production vehicles) and the other fact that the brand new model came out when they were selling it. Like what would happen if you bought a loaded M4 that was out for 7 years and then sold it the next year when the new model came out??? Like come on. With tesla they lose all common sense every time.
They’re pretty much known for their hatred of Tesla at this point.
JEN TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THE WHEEL!!! 🙄
Thats against the law. FSD users are required to keep their hands on the wheel.
@jenniferspencer3095 so is not sefl driving then
@@jenniferspencer3095 No they aren't, that hasn't been required in a very long time. Was called 'Nag' when you had to touch the steering wheel periodically throughout the drive. You no longer need to do any of this
@@Jay-pf6ln Truth
Tesla wants you to keep your hands on the wheel.
You shoulda had somebody drive the cybertruck that wasnt scared of it. And knew how it worked.
You should tell the audience which FSD version you were using.
It still astounds me that after all these years there are still automotive "EXPERTS" out there that still do not know how Teslas work. And you are pairing one system thats almost robotaxi ready to a system thats basically a party trick.
FSD on Cybertruck is hands-free. Pull this video down and try again.
Definitely sounded like Jen turned the wheel which disengaged FSD, Tesla will beep loud if it can't handle it.
Yeah, I’m all for the new presenters, but I expect your content to be more educated than this was.
Bad review, you need tech savy people who read the manual first so they understand why the vehicle is doing what it is, not just guessing...
Just like the Hummer EV off road video. They go stuck because they couldn't turn on the lockers because they didn't read the manual that clearly states to hold the button for 5 seconds in terrain mode. These people are incompetent.
You are right! Both are also different systems and work different. Obviously they didn’t know too much about that.
I think you're missing an important point. They do testing for every day people and your typical driver is not going to read the manual. They're most likely going to just get in and start driving and figure out how to do full self driving on the fly.
95% of people don’t read the owners annual. They just hop in and go. They are doing real world reviews for NORMAL people.
I’m not sure how I’m supposed to feel about this. It’s like they don’t ’practice’ what they do, or mention that they are on some of the most technically difficult sections of the US interstate system. I definitely don’t like fan boy reviews like Dirty Tesla, but these videos could be so much better.
All of these issues for FSD are resolved in 13.2.2 or newer. You need to always know the version or fair compariasons are impossible.
If you need to worry about software versions to ensure your car operates properly, FSD is not ready.
@JB-101 Define ready.
I am not sure I want to argue about software versions to the fourth digit when it comes to vehicles driving safely and not causing problems or crash. The stakes are a bit higher than for iPhone software versions.
My biggest issue with me getting a new car other than Tesla is the full self driving works on city streets and rural roads whereas all these other systems from Ford and Chevy require mapped major highways. That’s a deal killer. My hundred mile commute is all rural roads.
FSD is literally the only game in town. Nobody else even comes close.
Most of my road trips are across rural Georgia and Alabama. I’ve been pleased with how many back country roads are compatible with Super Cruise. It does cancel out as you approach towns though. I don’t really mind that, it helps put me on notice to slow down and look for cops. Once you get through the town, SC is available again.
FSD is really slow in the city. You’re gonna get honked at a lot. We don’t use it anymore.
Define "works" lol.
OK, slower speeds on FSD indicates an older version - please do more tests with latest version, please!
They no longer have either vehicle in their fleet (traded in the CT for an ID Buzz and the Silverado was clearly a manufacturer loaner). This is a comparison of what both vehicles were capable of when they ran the test. If Tesla and GM want to provide vehicles for them to test again I'm sure they would be happy to, but they have limited financial resources and can't hold on to a Cybertruck forever.
At the 13 min mark, FSD didn’t cancel she did by holding onto the wheel when truck was in control of the steering wheel. When FSD aborts it tells you before and flashes a red screen telling you to take over
Wow! From your comments you were clearly prejudiced against the CT. There is no need to keep your hands on the wheel with FSD. She never specified how she had the FSD set (chill, standard or aggressive) nor did she state what she set her maximum speed to. All that makes a difference in what speed the FSD decides to drive. The truck didn't cancel FSD Jen did by overriding the the steering. Also, what version of FSD was the CT using? V13 is the most current and is much better than V12
Imagine comparing Tesla FSD to GM's Super Cruise in 2024 😂
(It is not even a competition anymore.)
The sunglasses may have made the Super Cruise think the driver wasn't paying attention.
It’s possible, but I’ve been really impressed with how SC sees through sunglasses. At first I thought it was just cutting me some slack due to the sunglasses but I’ve tested it by rolling my eyes away from the road (I had my wife in the passenger seat watching for any hazards) and it was able to tell where my eyes were looking even through my sunglasses.
Neither one of them know what they are doing on this review.
I'm looking forward to you guys having someone who actually knows those systems.
Appreciate your videos! But just so you know, Tesla FSD will only kick you out/disengage if you tap on the brake or turn the steering wheel. If the truck kicks you out, it will show up in red and beep, telling you to take over.
Jen doesn’t know what she’s doing. Also she is not up to speed on all the features of FSD. She kicked it out of FSD by turning the wheel.
Seems like it should be more intuitive then.
Orr she has way to much anxiety@@houseofroos
Owning a Tesla, I understand the desire to pull in the direction of the curve. Sometimes FSD gets too close to the edge of the road.
OOOPSSS....
Yet another butt hurt Tesla fanboy.
Tesla is FAR behind the competition today
@@stennordenmalm1735 I’m not a Tesla fan boy but even I know that’s untrue. Their technology is better than the competition.
Supercruise disconnected because of being in a construction zone (IMO from what I saw in your video); better safe than sorry (you still have to pay attention).
Yeah. That last disengagement was definitely a construction zone issue. You can even see on the road where the new lane marks were painted and the old lane marks were still visible.
Yes, that zone that started inside the tunnel looks like an area where supercruise would not work. We have it in our car and it works most of the time. Newly established construction zones do cause it to shut down.
We are very happy with it.
Actually supercruise is a little aggressive when auto lane change is on. We just turn that off and manually change lanes.
@@craigzellner4159 I haven't used the version with auto lane change. If that's something that can be turned on and off, I wonder whether they had it disengaged for this video.
@ It looks like it was turned off based on what I could see in the video. It can be turned on and off by the driver.
Settings > Vehicle Personalization > Super Cruise Lane Change.
No comparison. FSD can drive just about anywhere. Bluecruise only highways. So GM is touting just a beefed up cruise control feature. Also are you using FSD 13.2? Big difference from previous version.
This is old footage, right?
Yes
Weird that there's no mention of which version of the software they are using. Kinda like complaining why their iPhone 5 is no longer installing apps.
love my duramax silverado, love supercruise, great road trip combo, towing or not
Hey guys, you didn’t notice the “construction zone speed limit”? Speed limit 45. You’re going too fast to be legal. This time, it the drivers behind the wheel.
what version of FSD are you using?
Wow, you guys have no idea how to use FSD or what it actually is. super cruise is not full self driving.....
Try using the FSD 13.2.2 update, it’s truly incredible. Got over 1000 miles on it the last few days road trips and city driving it does basically everything.
Cybertruck? I wish they could've shown us the part where it tries to take you all the way to your destination, as Jen mentioned.
My Model Y on basic autopilot does better than the Chevy system. And it works fine on rural roads.
Wearing dark, reflective sunglasses when comparing an automaker with a very conservative DMS against an automaker that refers to driver monitoring as "nagging" is a bit suspect. I've had Super Cruise disengage after I watched a truck in my sideview for a couple of seconds too long, but I don't blame it. The primary purpose of self driving systems should be safety; convenience should be secondary.
These people are clowns. They complained about the hummer ev because they didn't bother to read the manual on how to engage the lockers.
What FSD version is the Cyberyruck on?
You really need to state the software version when you do these test. Just saying latest doesn't help when we don't know when you filmed this. My guess is this is not the latest as there is no mention of speed profiles - aka - chill, standard, and hurry. The current latest for CT is 13.2.2 as of 12/26/2024 and it is quite good and only going to get better. Blue cruise is nice but doesn't compare well to FSD and only works on pre-mapped roads.
They sold the CT earlier this month, so it is a comparison of what both vehicles had at the time of the test
Bro fraud self driving has had more updates than you can ever track - it's not going to get magically better in a months time, and it will NEVER work as Tesla claims.
Crucial to have the latest FSD and to let us know the version. Good comparison!
The fact that you have to make the statement that an American Flag wrap is divisive is disgusting. Anyone who believes it's divisive or is offended by it should be ashamed.
Always quote the FSD version when doing a test! It improves/changes very quickly, so important to know how old this version is!
The speed issues have been resolved in the latest versions for example
Always depend on a Tesla Stan to be in the comments making excuses for Tesla.
Based on the average person. They probably won't check the version when using a particular feature.
@@TroySavary i mean he's not wrong tho
@@mcsike7264 Tesla Stans have been saying "Just wait for the next version" for 10 years now.
@@TroySavary am not really one of em i just say it improves every update which it dose it handles 90% of trips
Also, if I had a dollar for every time someone called the Cybertruck “PoLaRiZinG, a kid drawing, a door stop, trash bin” etc. what an NPC take, kudos🤣
This is the first video of your's I've seen and I am pretty impressed. I only have FSD for my Model Y, so I can't say Jen didn't have problems with the Cybertruck. When a driver gets nervious, it is very easy to disengage FSD without realizing you tugged on the wheel. FSD on the Cybertruck is programmed with a newer and small data set compared to the rest of Tesla's cars, so it may still have some rough edges that have finally been smoothed out on FSD for the cars. FSD often cuts its speed becasuse there is specific logic to slow down on what it thinks may be windy, narrow or bumpy roads. FSD with towing may be a challenge until Tesla has some way of putting rear view cameras on the back of the trailer and calibrating them for position, height and distance behind. FSD was specifically designed to need to see well to the rear, so I doubt Cybertruck will allow FSD with a trailer until they have a camera add-on. You'd want these camera's any way so you can back up a trailer, especially a boat trailer. FSD and the Cybertruck are both works in progress. Fortunately Tesla has huge teams working on both FSD and the Cybertruck to make them better. Pricewise, you could have put the current $80,000 Cybertruck up against the $96,000 Silverado and justified the price difference with the extra range of the SIlverado. I don't know enough about the SIlverado to comment much on it. Maybe another reader of your's will.
When it comes to Nissan’s Pro-Pilot 2.0 hands-free system, it kicks offline when it sees orange traffic cones and barrels along the side of the road - since it considers that a construction zone. Nissan Pro-Pilot 2.0 works fine with handsfree driving when towing a trailer too.
I recall GM’s Supercruise doesn’t like it when lane configuration gets changed in construction, much like Nissan.
This section of interstate looks to be an unending section of re-stripes, lane adjustments, temporary barriers and barrels - and Supercruise will shut off when the recorded LIDAR mapping doesn’t match what the cameras and GPS sees. You guys should do testing on sections of road that aren’t all torn up.
I got off the video after 2 minutes reading the comments where I see people say she doesn't know how to use FSD.
So, if this is made out of ignorance and they end up claiming Silverado system is better (which isn't), it's just dumb.
They claim neither system is really up to par. And if you are supposed to take your hands off the wheel, why doesn't a message to that effect appear on the screen?
Both trucks disengaged at the construction zone, I guess is a safety behavior, which is good I believe.
No, the Cybertruck's FSD did not disengage, Jen did, by trying to steer it to the right. It wasn't about to hit the wall, she just doesn't know how it works. She was freaking out over nothing.
@@ZipZoomZip If so, I won't blame Jen for doing it and avoid an unnecessary hit with the barrier.
@@Marco-ce8kr Ummm, yeah, the Tesla wasn't moving towards the barrier, it was just closer than she was comfortable with. The real problem is the way she reported it, saying that it self-disengaged. You can clearly see her jerk her hand on the wheel in a very unnatural quick jerk. She disengaged FSD manually, and tried to pretend that she didn't. It seems like purposefully biased coverage. At least that is consistent with the last 7 years of TFL coverage of Tesla. They think people can't see this because they are clever. But only the dumbest people can't see it. I don't know how they sleep at night pushing false and misleading narratives.
I've driven thousands of miles with Super Cruise engaged in my Bolt EUV. Overall, the system is great, but it isn't meant to work in construction zones where this test was done. The system is meant for open highways to reduce fatigue, not so much for the most winding stretch of I-70 in the US
Since Tesla is updating the software versions for FST every few weeks, I would have loved to have heard you guys specify which version you were using at the time of the test. I loved that you actually did a comparison test, though, as I haven't seen anybody else do it!
I don't think this was a good test for either vehicle because you seemed to be in a construction zone the entire time. I realize that construction is a constant occurrence but since it is still a new technology you probably should have chosen a different stretch of highway.
FSD will NEVER just “kick” you out. Ever.
Polarizing and Pre-mapped is all you need to say. Buh-buy!
Need some reviewers who read the manual first, or maybe read some owner forums first. You don’t “set the speed” on the Cybertruck, you tell it the amount you are willing to let it go over the speed limit to keep up with traffic. The truck can see the road and knows based on the road conditions and the traffic and it decides how fast to go. And it can do that anywhere, not just on certain highways like the Chevy.
FYI: In many states, those walkie talkies might be illegal to use while driving. It's silly, but it could get you ticketed.
I'm glad FSD is continuing to improve, although the reliance on cameras and no radar or lidar would keep me from opting for it were I acquiring a new Tesla.
I get that the reviewers didn’t understand or weren’t fully aware why the trucks “kicked” them out of their self driving modes but my defense for them is that many of your regular everyday customers who may purchase these vehicles might not know how all of this works either. Granted dropping 100k for a truck, you would hope the customer would research every bit of the vehicle and its features, but some people will pick either of these two up may just buy it because they look cool and expect their self driving features to just work with minimal understanding or effort.
This isn't a fair comparison at all. I don't own a Chevy EV but when I was EV shopping even I was told that super cruise isn't full self driving. Whereas Tesla's is considered full self driving because it can get you to your destination without you touching the wheel at all.
Hell, there's even been news reports of people sleeping behind the wheel on their way to work in their Tesla...
Even legislators have been trying to get Tesla to rename or tweak their full self driving to classify it as "level 2" so people don't rely on it completely like they've been doing...it is by all accounts a safety hazard and probably why other manufacturers don't incorporate it fully on their cars...
Other ev's have some kind of safety measure so that you have to take control from time to time, whether it's a sensor for your eyes or timed touch sensor on the steering wheel...
The car I settled for ('23 ev6) has a timed sensor where I can let go of the wheel but if I haven't touched it within 2 or 3 minutes it gives an oncreen warning, and if I go longer it will vibrate the wheel and then it will disengage if you don't at least interact with the wheel once...this, along with lane centering and adaptive cruise control is enough to give you an ALMOST hands/peddle free ride. Which is safer than what Tesla has to offer.
Next time, maybe try comparing apples to apples.
I tried Bluecruise for first time traveling for holidays on my F150 Lightning. It was decent but I actually started getting nauseous as it was compensating for the curves. A three year sub came with the truck but when that's done doesn't seem to justify and I'd rather drive myself.
In the Cybertruck, it seemed to hug the left side of the lane when you were headed into the sun. I wonder if the glare going into the glass lenses of the camera was washing out the image.
I own multiple EVs, and hands down FSD is unmatched
Geez, Chill out people... Yeah, Jen touching the wheel is what booted you out of FSD, but with V12 I did the same thing as it was for sure too close to the left wall. Jen, I also would be interested in if you are running the latest FSD 13.2? I had the exact speed control issue and that update seems to have fixed it for good. With FSD 13.2, confidence is really high on it performing nearly flawless.
The RST towing capacity is 10,000 lbs, the only one so far with 12,500 is the 3WT. The bed not having the split from the cab is the same as the old Chevy Avalanche which also had the folding cab option. GM should have named it the Avalanche EV 😂.
I have Tesla Model Y with Trailer Hitch, and it can use FSD with a Trailer on Interstate. Now if Cybertruck can use FSD with latest update of 13.2 no idea there.
As for the Cybertruck disengagement, I noticed on that part you had your hands on the wheel, and it’s a fine line before the steering input and the point where it thinks you’re taking control.
There is a camera behind your steering wheel for supercruise. So if you pick up a phone (walki talki) or dont look straight it turns off super cruise.
What version of fsd is Jen using?
Does FSD not support letting the user spin the volume or speed dial instead of tugging on the wheel ? (My 2018 model 3 did for AP; not sure if things have changed )
When Alex is not happy the fandom is not happy. 😂. Well done our iconic goat I’m proud of you. Jenn Outstanding as well. Also. Alex. Congratulations to you as well 5 years at Tfl now. So proud of you I’m beyond proud of you
Can't decide if the cybertruck looks better or worse with a wrap, looks horrible either way
Automatic operation is fine when it works. “Otto” can be your friend. At times monitoring can be more stressful than performing the task.
Driving into the sun is the most difficult thing for the supercruise system to do. I assume the same can be said for FSD.
Read the manual first, then test vehicle.
It did not kick you out... You are not competent enough to be driven by FSD.
Also always get the version number out. It gets updates and is not the same after a month..
It could not maintain speed, and could not stay in the lane. Face it, FSD is incompetent, not the driver.
Yeah its not perfect and the version they are testing here is already outdated.. go and test drive any tesla and you will be blown away@@TroySavary
@@TroySavaryFace it, you’ve not used FSD and are sitting on a toilet watching YT
@@conduit242 I have been in Teslas. Never once was the drive completed without multiple interventions. FSD does not inspire confidence at all.
@@TroySavary uh huh 🙄
Jens bias is out for full display... Mentioning several times how something is "polarizing' showed that.
Cyber Trucks are polarizing... Ugly as hell... Has nothing to do with the wrap. In my neck of the woods, CT drivers are how we tell who the village idiot is. lolol They are growing on me over time... I do own a model Y performance and love it.
Neat how Openpilot had been adapted to modern Tesla vehicles, for even more flexibility and another choice, such as for engineers.
We are so far from full FSD! Great content idea. Well done. I think I’ll buy the GMC Denali EV in about two years.
That was lane drifting, it does it on local and highway. Even when there is a vehicle beside you it tends to drift awfully close by drifting. Sometimes at a red light it will start to go. Those are the two biggest regressions I hate about FSD 13.2.2
If the CT is an early version 12 then it had a setting that allowed it to 'select' the 'best' speed, and it would routinely drop speed. That has been changed, Version 13 is much better. Use the CT visualization to know what it is seeing and how it will react.
If you have FSD 13 and still have the CT. Try a drive from the office. You cannot really understand how superior FSD is if you only use the GM 'pre-mapped' routes.
Normally also a fan of TFLEV, but I agree with many others that this review was problematic at best. From a safety point of view, here are some quick issues:
1. Calling FSD GM Supercruise “self driving” is incorrect, despite various marketing claims. Both are Level 2 ADAS. For short, at least just call them “driver assist” which is what they are rated as
2. Putting these systems in situations for which they are not recommended, such as a construction zone, is a lose-lose proposition because if they don’t work you claim the system struggles, but if they do fine you give the misguided impression that they should be used here
3. I don’t represent GM, but I have a feeling if you asked them about using Super cruise as you did here, they would advise that the system isn’t rated for difficult situations and the driver should use their best judgment
In short … not a fan of torture tests like this without serious disclaimers upfront that you are going against the manufacturer’s recommended use of these systems
Certain tunnels & bridges will knock Super Cruise out. That simple. It works similar to Bluecruise from Ford, other than GM is able to tow with it.
Supercruise is the way I would like to use these systems. Sort of a more capable cruise control. I am not turning over control of the driving to a computer. If you look at some of the crash videos involving Tesla drivers using FSD, from the cameras you can see some of the hazards that are about to be a problem, yet the drivers do nothing about it. Accidents are a time and money inconvenience, why people put all their trust in FSD is beyond me.
The FSD may have kicked you out due to severe glare, which is one issue it does need to work on.
The Silverado EV definitely looks much better than the Cybertruck, I'm not even a fan of big wheels but those wheels look great on that truck.
2 questions... Does Silverado EV do over the air updates? So if they update Supercruise, you won't have to go to the dealer? Also, can you make a video where you try to let Cybertruck take you all the way to your destination? (I realize you've traded it in on the ID BUZZ, but next time you get one).
Is it true GM plans a TrailBoss version of this truck? That'd be cool. I'd love to see how it compares off-road to other EVs.
1. yes 2. maybe 3. it can't do it so why even try? video would last 30 seconds.
I’ve never seen Tesla just disengage like that. Is it possible she tugged on the wheel too hard and it let go?
Supercruise handles interventiions much better, with the flashing red light giving warning, rather than just beeping and the system suddenly being off.
That’s because it didn’t disengage. SHE disengaged it by applying pressure to the wheel because she doesn’t know what she is doing. When it kicks you out it does show a red steering wheel and makes a loud beep.
What version of FSD are you using? I believe you are incorrect about towing with at least with V13.2.2 FSD.
Repeat after me. “There is no hands free driving!”
What version fsd?
Tesla cruise control is a little weird. You have to set an offset or it’s going to stick exactly to the speed limit. Oh, happy phantom braking :)
The Tesla will slow down in construction sites that you passed and it will always keep 5mph below posted speed limit from my experience in my Model X. I used it for 74mile trip and when it sees a tractor trailer it will move over in the lane to keep clear of the tractor trailer and once it passes it will recenter itself in the lane again. If it sees a person on the shoulder it will slow down and really slow down if the person is close to the white line that on the shoulder....had that happen when passing a couple of surveyors on the road. The only problem I had was in a school zone with a flashing line requiring 20mph and it was doing 35mph where it was posted and it never slowed down and thats when I applied the brakes., Other than that it took me from my door to the destination door. its really not fair to compare the Silverado super cruise to a Tesla FSD....its almost like comparing a flip phone to an iPhone ....give it time GM will improve. Thanx for the Video.
I think the summation cleared up some things, so I didn’t mind the lack of familiarity with the driving systems as much. But you have to get through the whole video to get there! For the next video, please state which versions you’re using. You said a bunch of hardware specs, but not software specs
How can you compare the mapped Chevy system to the Tesla FSD that works anywhere??
You guys have no idea how Tesla FSD works. You do not keep a hand on the wheel any longer. If you put it in a more aggressive mode it will go faster. The version 13 that is installing on Teslas this week is a game changer. Also the Tesla FSD can be used everywhere and parks itself and you can summon it to you when your not in it.
They sold the CT earlier this month. Maybe Tesla should have upgraded it sooner?
And does the truck tell you these fun facts or do you have to do Internet research to find out?
The number of times I heard game changer for EVs and self driving functionality is truly a game changer. 😃
What version of FSD is in this video
@stephenj4937 if you pay that much for a vehicle you should take a little time to figure out how it works. They had a version of FSD that would negotiate all roads not just interstates and do it precisely even using the turn signals etc. They chose to use it in a manner that looked like it was amateur hour.
@@is6566You really have no idea what has happened in the last 3 weeks with Tesla do you? Take 5 minutes and look at Whole Mars Catalog or aidriver channels as a sample.
I think we can really "trust" this channel. Why do some people think were really stupid.
I dont care what version fsd it has if they are going to call it full swlf driving that better be what it is and not have glitches like reducing your speed for no reason. Great job tfl team for showing how this system is beta at best. Jen worked for tesla she knows it better than anyone else. He clearly stated the systems are different so quit trying to say it isnt a fare comparison. They wanted to show the differences not that they are the same. Pay attention to the video people.
1:20 you can also tell a Tesla to change lanes with the turn signal.
Lol Tesla fanboys commenting are wild.
Jen felt the need to correct the system, that's why she touched the wheel, and that was when it booted her. Which is as designed, and describes a failing in the system, as it got close enough to a barrier that she felt the need to correct it
If she was booted 10 times because it didn't like her touching the wheel whatsoever, and did so even when she didn't apply a correcting force, then you could say she used it wrong, but that didn't happen
Chill
this is a half-baked effort. both drivers should have been comfortable with the respective automated driving systems that they tested...clearly they aren't...especially the one using the CT who claimed that the FSD didn't do its job when it's fairly obvious she wasn't just not that confidence with her knowledge of how it functions.