this shop experience should be mandatory for all ME's. as a machinist I can easily tell when something was designed by an engineer with shop experience. they design easy to make and better functioning mechanisms.
My brother is a time served fitter and turner, like my father before him and his father. In the early 80s he was made redundant and so went back to school, again like our father, to get his HND, who remembers them and the OND in the U.K? He went on to get his B Eng which he got a polytechnic as a satellite of a uni, then MSc and finally PhD. He has now been offered his chair at a very prestigious university on the world stage, which is good and well deserved as he retires in 2 years. The fact he knows how to do it practically has alway held him in good stead, especially when he was sent on his placement for his master's the fitters there tried to take the Micky thinking he was just book smart. They were shocked at his skills and they earn teach other's respect, thirty odd years later he still has good friends from that placement. Even now he doesn’t see any difference between academic qualifications and manual skills which is a theme in my family as all three siblings got skill qualification before taking our degrees as mature students.
I see this everyday..40 years as a toolmaker, and I see these young engineers just getting dumber and dumber..they have no idea how something is machined, how it must be held...all they see is a computer, drawing something for them, with no idea what goes into making it
At least they're being taught in the proper order...Manual methods first (you have to know WHY you're doing something a certain way) - THEN, CNC applications...
What a waste of a machine shop! only to have engineers make trinkets in a fabulous machining environment, I have talked to the professors before that they needed to offer a complete machining tool and die curriculum.
One thing I hate about these videos about engineering is that they always find as many young girls as possible for the video , while in real life max. 10% of students are girls...
If engineers could machine like a machinist they would be one, but they can't so they stick to designs and let the pros due the machining, one class in machine shop is all they take not enough to be a machinist and understand the details producing parts to one ten thousands of an inch. Check out your local community college to be a machinist.
It’s good to know it so you can empathise and consider, also it’s nice to get hands on and build something yourself you have to think about a lot more to make it real
@@luke7503 Yes it's good to know but as I said 1 class is just not enough so if they go to a cc and get a few more classes they will better at doing their job and understand what the machinist has to deal with.
You missed the entire point. If your average machinist could solve nonlinear partial differential equations they probably could be engineers, the make 5x the money lol
I completely agree, although it doesn't look like that girl was working on any machines that day, probably getting ready to (or just finished) presenting their project.
I like seeing engineers who have actually run a machine. Take it from manual and CNC machinist there's far more to it then what you can learn in four years. A word of caution, I observed some climb milling on a Bridgeport Mill in the video. Watch out that could bite you. Bridgeport's don't like to climb mill.
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Having to produce a something according to a drawing that's been made by a engineer without actual hands-on experience, mosg of the time I'd rather kill myself then having to play Sherlock Holmes to find out what the engineer draw. In conclusion: I think this programm is a good idea.
That's a good point. I know there was a student in Yale or east coast ivy league school a few years ago who died after getting her long hair caught in an open lathe. Was horrible and tragic. No, you should never let 'your guard' down--no pun intended.
i would invite you to come down in Honduras so you could live a real experience about machining shop here we work with the WWII machines. make a school trip. promise gives to you a great treatment
Really nice shop... much nicer than what we had for students up in Building 52 at LBL when I did my undergraduate work in Chemistry at Cal. Same philosophy though - here's a way to get the results you want - now *you* take the controls and do it! Go Bears!
That is the best way to train engineers and it separates them from the rest of the work force they will enter in .Well done South Africa used to take this route many years ago , no more I’m afraid and it shows.
Make sure whomever is interviewing you has the same appreciation of design tailored to practical means of production or you will be deemed overqualified by the idiot, and you won't be understood or promoted accordingly. Also, learning how to run machinery is a fun adventure for most, but it can be a trap when you find yourself punching a time clock at 6am six days a week long after the honeymoon ended and you've become livestock in your pen as they come every morning to gather the eggs you better have laid. It's no wonder why many machinists become divorced unhappy alcoholics. Not to mention that the pay really sucks today compared to 25 years ago thanks to automation and slave labor outsourcing. Bottom line: GET A STRATEGICALLY WELL PLANNED EDUCATION!!!
5:04 This is wonderful ! I taught the same classes at Space Park. Gave the same comments to the students as you did. It's an absolute must for a generation never owning a hand drill or set of wrenches. Europe been doing this for decades.
Welcome...welcome...big step decades back ....used to be done back in 50s ...70s engineers used to be put out in shop give them a prospective of what can and not be done
NEAT VIDEO.........ONE THING THAT SCARES ME HERE.......THE GIRLS WITH LONG HAIR.........THEY SHOULD WEAR THEIR HAIR UNDER A BASEBALL CAP......THEY DON'T NEED TO GET THEIR HAIR TANGLED IN A DRILL PRESS OR LATHE......OUCH
Start teaching engineers some common sense....working in tool and die for 40 years, I constantly see engineers designing something, that have no common sense or any idea about how somethingb is going to be machined
I haven't been admitted to MIT/Caltech cause I wasn't black and/or gay. During process of applying there I was asked about my skin color and sexual orientation.... . Since then I just can't say anything praising US universities....
Do you see any of this "other tooling setup"? For a student shop leaving tooling (sine plates, dividing heads, rotary tables) on the machine makes no sense. Especially considering that the majority of student work will be done on a 6Inch vice. Your rant makes me cringe. As if your way of setup is any bit reasonable for a school environment. Production, maybe.
Dreg555 The sad truth of it is that they probably don't teach the kids anything other than vice holding... I approve your cringe, lol... no true knowledge going around in that shop.
Once a upon of time .That was High School Shop Class.....
this shop experience should be mandatory for all ME's. as a machinist I can easily tell when something was designed by an engineer with shop experience. they design easy to make and better functioning mechanisms.
Damn skippy. And, they it makes em remember when it comes time for maintenance or repair, to remember the machinist/millwrights like me!
You’re welcome :)
My brother is a time served fitter and turner, like my father before him and his father. In the early 80s he was made redundant and so went back to school, again like our father, to get his HND, who remembers them and the OND in the U.K? He went on to get his B Eng which he got a polytechnic as a satellite of a uni, then MSc and finally PhD. He has now been offered his chair at a very prestigious university on the world stage, which is good and well deserved as he retires in 2 years. The fact he knows how to do it practically has alway held him in good stead, especially when he was sent on his placement for his master's the fitters there tried to take the Micky thinking he was just book smart. They were shocked at his skills and they earn teach other's respect, thirty odd years later he still has good friends from that placement. Even now he doesn’t see any difference between academic qualifications and manual skills which is a theme in my family as all three siblings got skill qualification before taking our degrees as mature students.
4:02 Very important and often forgotten.
What an opportunity! To learn machining from skilled, experienced machinists AND getting to use equipment that a university like Berkeley can afford!
I see this everyday..40 years as a toolmaker, and I see these young engineers just getting dumber and dumber..they have no idea how something is machined, how it must be held...all they see is a computer, drawing something for them, with no idea what goes into making it
Yes I’m hugely great full for our technicians at uni. They make us think for ourselves too.
Amen brother!. I used to argue with engineering types. For the most part they had no clue what it takes to make what they want to do.
At least they're being taught in the proper order...Manual methods first (you have to know WHY you're doing something a certain way) - THEN, CNC applications...
What a waste of a machine shop! only to have engineers make trinkets in a fabulous machining environment, I have talked to the professors before that they needed to offer a complete machining tool and die curriculum.
Long hair around a lathe is a bad idea...
I've been saying that for years I engineer's should be required to take machine classes... Thx
Screw that. This just explained why engineers think they know how machine. 😂
Hi
One thing I hate about these videos about engineering is that they always find as many young girls as possible for the video , while in real life max. 10% of students are girls...
It’s good to encourage more girls though
thank God someone is teaching engineers practicality!!!!
If engineers could machine like a machinist they would be one, but they can't so they stick to designs and let the pros due the machining, one class in machine shop is all they take not enough to be a machinist and understand the details producing parts to one ten thousands of an inch. Check out your local community college to be a machinist.
It’s good to know it so you can empathise and consider, also it’s nice to get hands on and build something yourself you have to think about a lot more to make it real
@@luke7503 Yes it's good to know but as I said 1 class is just not enough so if they go to a cc and get a few more classes they will better at doing their job and understand what the machinist has to deal with.
You missed the entire point.
If your average machinist could solve nonlinear partial differential equations they probably could be engineers, the make 5x the money lol
This shop is much nicer than most professional shops I've worked at lol.
Great Vid, But tie back the long hair. You lean forward the hair catches and bingo instant scalping. Please work safe.
I completely agree, although it doesn't look like that girl was working on any machines that day, probably getting ready to (or just finished) presenting their project.
I'd go back to school just for that machine shop. And I have a CNC mill and lathe at home.
should've applied for Berkeley for my undergrad. Now I have to accommodate this area through youtube.
If only there was something like this at my university.
Well thank God for this program, it's getting old engineering for engineers.
Seth Albert I fully understand what you are talking about
I like seeing engineers who have actually run a machine. Take it from manual and CNC machinist there's far more to it then what you can learn in four years. A word of caution, I observed some climb milling on a Bridgeport Mill in the video. Watch out that could bite you. Bridgeport's don't like to climb mill.
Michael Cerkez I noticed that too! On the aluminum.
Practical knowledge is the best things for engineers...nice lab
This is for me.. I'm glad I found you.
I wish I was introduced to the machine shop earlier. But, in my late 30's I now have a fully capable CNC machine shop in my garage.
Holding half a thou tolerance on a bridgeport will be hard.
I spent many hours down there. :)
YOU LEARN DOING CORRECT 👍They showed us & school micrometers & stuff WTF?
wasnt until i started work in a spring factory i learnt hands on😲👍🐨 2019 NEW ROBOT CNC'S WAY TO GO $100k + a machine
Having to produce a something according to a drawing that's been made by a engineer without actual hands-on experience, mosg of the time I'd rather kill myself then having to play Sherlock Holmes to find out what the engineer draw.
In conclusion: I think this programm is a good idea.
I wonder if the teachers mentioned the danger rotating machinery presents to long hair......
Student machine shops in the US are generally very good about this from my experience.
trialen i think these girls shave
they are remiss if they don't have the girls tuck up their hair under a hot of some kind. totally deficient in safety.
That's a good point. I know there was a student in Yale or east coast ivy league school a few years ago who died after getting her long hair caught in an open lathe. Was horrible and tragic. No, you should never let 'your guard' down--no pun intended.
I remember that was the first thing our prof told us in our first day in the machine shop.
3:43 Well that looks very much like a student's solution to getting the cutting tool on the angle they wanted !
2:46 that’s a lot of pens....
Our Future builders, Give the eager minds all the help we can. Looking good.
Just keep doing that. Those students will have saved years as compared of learning that in the field.
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mechanical engineering Honduras
Very Educative GOOD ACCESS
THANKS.
I wish we had a student machine shop 30 years ago when I went UNH as a mechanical engineer.
I love our shop at Loughborough, hugely important
Stay the fuck away from that lathe until you either cut your hair or tie it back TIGHT
I wish I have chances to work there in my life.
Release the brake on the Bridgeport before starting the spindle. :)
Really nice shop... much nicer than what we had for students up in Building 52 at LBL when I did my undergraduate work in Chemistry at Cal. Same philosophy though - here's a way to get the results you want - now *you* take the controls and do it!
Go Bears!
You could’ve come in and used the machines probably :)
That is the best way to train engineers and it separates them from the rest of the work force they will enter in .Well done South Africa used to take this route many years ago , no more I’m afraid and it shows.
Make sure whomever is interviewing you has the same appreciation of design tailored to practical means of production or you will be deemed overqualified by the idiot, and you won't be understood or promoted accordingly.
Also, learning how to run machinery is a fun adventure for most, but it can be a trap when you find yourself punching a time clock at 6am six days a week long after the honeymoon ended and you've become livestock in your pen as they come every morning to gather the eggs you better have laid.
It's no wonder why many machinists become divorced unhappy alcoholics.
Not to mention that the pay really sucks today compared to 25 years ago thanks to automation and slave labor outsourcing.
Bottom line:
GET A STRATEGICALLY WELL PLANNED EDUCATION!!!
Thanks for video, keep going
"Machining half a thousandth to one thousandth, no real way to calculate that." Wow, what a great program you all have here (sarcasm).
My jaw was on the floor through this entire video. Except at 4:02 which made me laugh for a second.
It’s only one of the best universities in the world
5:04 This is wonderful ! I taught the same classes at Space Park. Gave the same comments to the students as you did. It's an absolute must for a generation never owning a hand drill or set of wrenches. Europe been doing this for decades.
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we also did that. but be carefull for accidents guys. i nearly killed myself during the leveling
Thank you for the video upload.
Welcome...welcome...big step decades back ....used to be done back in 50s ...70s engineers used to be put out in shop give them a prospective of what can and not be done
these kids better stick to engineering lol.. Very nice shop
NEAT VIDEO.........ONE THING THAT SCARES ME HERE.......THE GIRLS WITH LONG HAIR.........THEY SHOULD WEAR THEIR HAIR UNDER A BASEBALL CAP......THEY DON'T NEED TO GET THEIR HAIR TANGLED IN A DRILL PRESS OR LATHE......OUCH
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What's a Senior Mechician tho? Lol
Excellent!
not better than Bangladeshi technologyes
I’ll be more then happy to teach it.
Start teaching engineers some common sense....working in tool and die for 40 years, I constantly see engineers designing something, that have no common sense or any idea about how somethingb is going to be machined
Super
Miling operation
in Brazil we have the senai to teach
Gordon is a boss :)
Nice
Nice
Overalls please 😁,
Can I come and use the shop? I need to do some machining. I would like to build a jig. Thank you.
Get that long hair into a net now. No it is not oppression to make you safe.
Nobody is saying it is "oppression."
I haven't been admitted to MIT/Caltech cause I wasn't black and/or gay. During process of applying there I was asked about my skin color and sexual orientation.... . Since then I just can't say anything praising US universities....
Totally unsecure way to work with manual machines. Where are the protection shields? No gloves? Long hair near a lathe?
Wow, you're obviously not a machinist. Never wear gloves, very dangerous. Also gaurds typically only limit visibility.
I always cringe when I see a vise mounted on the center of the mill.
Dreg555 Why?
One can mount a six inch vise off set left or right on the table, and that leaves way more room for other tooling setup.
Dreg555 Didn't think of it that way, makes sense...
Do you see any of this "other tooling setup"? For a student shop leaving tooling (sine plates, dividing heads, rotary tables) on the machine makes no sense. Especially considering that the majority of student work will be done on a 6Inch vice.
Your rant makes me cringe. As if your way of setup is any bit reasonable for a school environment. Production, maybe.
Dreg555 The sad truth of it is that they probably don't teach the kids anything other than vice holding... I approve your cringe, lol... no true knowledge going around in that shop.
Pretty weak. I would be afraid, very afraid.