E36: Adobe is Legacy Software. What Does The Future Look Like?
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- This is The Thirty Sixth Episode of the Visual Scholar Podcast - With Tim Mcburnie.
Let's talk Adobe...
There is a lot of drama and outrage aimed at Adobe. I normally stay away from this stuff on the Visual Scholar... But people often ask for my opinion as I do use Adobe products, and teach people how to use them.
So this episode is dedicated to my thoughts on the future of Photoshop.
But as you know if you have been following this show, it won't be simple, and I will weave in some more interesting topics.
I want to walk though:
1 What we should expect from Software as artists
2 What can we learn by looking closer at Adobe Inc
3 What Ethics, Morality, Publicly traded companies... and AI say about the future of Customer/Product Symbiosis.
So yeah... This is a long form essay. That no one really asked for. But if you want to rise above the noise and outrage FUD... strap in!
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:03 Welcome
00:03:28 What's My Take On This?
00:07:07 What Good Creative Software Needs To Be... The Dangers of Switching
00:08:45 That Time I Gave Up Photoshop For Corel Painter...
00:14:56 Reliability...
00:15:33 Learning & Community
00:16:55 Different Artists Need Different Features... Pro Vs The Rest
00:19:06 Professional Features (That Most People Don't Care About)
00:20:06 Production Integration
00:21:16 Chameleon: Photoshop Can Be Many Things
00:23:27 Extensibility
00:26:51 Real Professional Reliability
00:30:03 Speeed
00:32:03 TLDR: Bugs And Tech Hurdles Can Ruin Your Art Flow
00:33:11 What About Adobe As A Company (Evil INC)
00:33:50 The History... Aggressive Monopoly
00:35:22 Adobe The Dinosaur (Legacy Software and Legacy Attitude)
00:38:19 Adobe Is Struggling To Be A Modern SAAS Company
00:39:15 Publicly Traded Companies Can't Take Care Of Their Customers.
00:39:58 The Silicon Valley Hype Cycle
00:41:17 Symbiosis: How Good Software Is Made
00:43:24 The Protopian Ideal
00:44:58 Incentives: It's Not A Matter of Good Or Evil.
00:50:37 What Does The Future Of Software Look Like?
00:52:51 The Community Matters
00:53:58 The Photoshop Interface Built Adobe
00:55:06 Piracy Helped Build The Monopoly
00:56:00 No Free Version = No One Uses It... Or Cares.
00:58:57 Adobe In Trouble?
01:02:40 Has Adobe Forgotten How To Make And Promote Software?
01:03:32 The Street Price Of Creative Cloud
01:05:58 Adobe Actually Has A Great Deal...
01:09:10 The Traps Large Companies Fall Into
01:10:58 Business Models And Functionality Are Linked!
01:14:03 Photoshop IS Unique
01:17:34 The Real Issue? (AI)
01:19:25 The Hype Train
01:22:11 If AGI and Superintelligence Are Coming... Why Is Adobe Putting AI In Photoshop
01:24:51 The Double Speak Of Generative Imagery and LLMs
01:25:59 The Real Reason I Want OFF The Adobe Train Now
01:29:17 Takeaways!
01:30:14 The Analytical Takeaway
01:35:15 Marker 3
01:35:26 The practical Takeaway
01:37:27 The Philosophical Takeaway
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Personally i'm sick of companies taking our art for granted and taking us for granted. I moved to Affinity and use either Clip or Rebelle for painting. And you're right a tool is just a tool. I don't need adobe to make art but they do need me to continue to make money.
So nice to hear a thoughtful mature take on this. So many channel are farming click bait trigger words and riding current sentiment about anything. We do need to think carefully and long term about how this will shake out.
I grew up and trained on Adobe for graphic/ design purposes, but when it comes to digital painting, clip studio paint has been my go to. They do everything so good.
ooooooooh yeah!!!! I do remember the Corel Painter bug!!!!!
yes, Actions in photoshop are really a game changer...they become really relevant when it's a big project.
Love your videos and perspective Tim! As a freelance designer, I'm locked into the Adobe ecosystem for the foreseeable future. If it wasn't for that requirement to share files with other people, I would switch to Affinity. Their tools are getting better all the time, and no subscription necessary.
Photoshop stopped being worked on for artist a long time ago, so many simple features that could be implement and where never made. I only use still because its industry standard for now.
Since the start of the Firefly AI stuff I've been trying out other software, and Krita has been the best! Being opensource, and the community is amazing, almost like the blender community! Tons of good free addons.
For my personal work I'll be using Krita, it haven't crashed one single time, never , runs smooth as butter, flipping the image is INSTANT no matter the file size or complexity!
Edit: And the brush engine is soooooo much better than photoshop!
I'm on the same boat.....I don't like them but I'm forced to keep using it as in my work they don't want to move anywhere...but in fact, for my personal projects I prefer Procreate...of course there are lots of features missing there, but I prefer to figure out how to get what I want with what I have.
Surprised to hear Adobe messed up on saving program settings on cloud? Clip Studio Paint have this feature and it works really well without any problem, all my brush, workspace, shortcuts, materials, etc easily restored whenever I do a fresh install.
the main problem with adobe, for me, is that in Mac, the latest versions are getting more hardware demanding, as you need to update the OS as well in order to keep updating, and for example, my laptop at work will not get updated until 2026 and I am already having issues for many cool features in After Effects, that I know how to use them, but the hardware/graphic card is not there.
Hey Tim ! Just want to say that your videos and artwork are insanely helpful and amazing ! I wish more and more artists would know about your channels.
I also switched to Krita recently, still trying to get used to it.
Wish you have a good day and looking forward to more of your Visual Scholar podcasts !
Macromedia Freehand and Xara were also great vector softwares
And Krita being opensource, if adobe continues with this kinda of behavior, tools for production will probably be made pretty fast
I think Adobe ( its Photoshop division specifically), never understood Artists' needs and wants, who use it to draw. Early Photoshop was used to edit photos before becoming a painting tool.
I used to love macromedia Flash
The only AI tool I use as is reduces production times, is the Adobe Podcast online tool to enhance audio files in just one click...I could use adobe audition or Logic, but this is literally one click
Maybe the real service was the friends we made along the way.. :D
On more serious note, Adobe - is just the latest hot example of the company got confused in hype around "how to make more $$$ quick". Throwing money in sparkly fire hoping to make more money -> fail miserably -> layoff workers -...-> sell business.
SaaS is cancerous branch of software evolution. It has its good faith cases, but it is not universal. You can't shove every single product in this frame and hope it will work, just because you saw another service making huge piles of $$$.
This is just stupid gambler mentality: "play big - win big , bro".
And you see it everywhere.
Procreate is great, it all depends on what do you need to do...for me as a caricaturist illustrator, It gives me all what I need....it is great for what it is meant to do.....as always, you can't judge a Ferrari for its capability to climb a mountain..then you can export from procreate as PSD, so, you can use procreate everywhere on the iPad and when you need photoshop tools, export the PSD and use airdrop to pass them to a workstation or laptop
something terrible about adobe is that even being all the softwares part of the same family, sometimes they don't share the same tools in the same way....for example comparing Illustrator with InDesign, they have a different logic
A paintbrush is also a tool. A tool you pay for once and have complete, infinite, unfettered access to whatever you make with it. Photoshop? Not so much. Some of us were _very_ considered, taking years even to reach a point where we decided "ok, that's enough." Some of what you're seeing is (thoroughly justified) anger. A lot more than one might think are people's heads synching up with a decision they made in their heart a _long_ time ago. Or vice versa.
A great example of Adobe having no clue about how people use their software...You cannot change shortcuts in Fresco on PC, you have to use a third party software like Autokey. I guess it's just a quick port from mobile to pc version..
one of the things I see behind IA developments is that there are no artists there.....what I see instead is a bunch of software engineers who would love to have artistic talents that they clearly lack, and this is like their sort of "revenge", let say, it is about them pretending to shout "look, artist, I can be an artist too!!!!!!! muahahahahahahaha I don't even need skills at all!!!"
NVIDIA just lost a record ammount of value over investing in AI :)
wow, very very very very long video.. without intending to be rude, you could have done it way way shorter, and keeping the momentum for your watchers.
it's difficult to keep focussed on what you try to say, and the message underneath it all. Even professional conferences/discussions/talks are often short and sweet (30 minutes max). just offering some genuine possitive critique i try to offer here, to improve your channel.