Debunking WINE MYTHS from The Drops of God Apple TV Show
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I have finished the new Apple TV Wine show The Drops of God, and while I did like the first two episodes I also noticed quite a few weird and wrong information in the third episode. So today, I want to sit back and watch those parts with you to explain what they got wrong to make sure you get to learn something.
If you did not watch the first part of this review: The show is based on the manga The Drops of God which was first published in 2004 and it attracted a large following. So large, that the wines integrated into the comic sold out quickly after a new comic was released. In the TV adaptation, Camille Leger has to battle wine expert Issei Tomine in different tasting tasks for her father’s wine collection worth 148 million Dollars.
If they make a second season they should hire you to make the show more factually correct!
And Konstantin will tell them that they have to throw the corks at the camera :D
My wife and I were having a quiet evening watching this and when they said Vega Sicilia and Cheval Blanc were made with the same varietal...I burst out "WTF are you talking about"...I said..."how hard is it for the producers to Google it!?"
Me and my wife reacted almost the exact same way. To be fair we only ever blind tasted the Valbuena which has Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot blended with mostly Tempranillo, and despite some similarities in the "encépagement", it has absolutely nothing to do with anything close to Saint-Émilion, let alone the best from this region. We had the chance to taste 6 vintages of Château Cheval Blanc, including the 2000 which is in the top ten absolute best wine I've ever tasted. To be fair to Issey, this wine marked me so deeply that I would probably be able to identify it, obviously not against a 1999, but I sure would recognize this nectar of the gods. The only other wines I would be able to do so is Mouton Rothschild 1989 and 2005 and Haut-Brion 2000. Anyway, this series is great nonetheless, despite the flaws that only very sharply aware people like us are irritated by, do you agree? Just like you I just don't get why they did not push their researches further than this. This series would have been a masterpiece if the director/producer had very good knowledge about wine.
Konstantin: the film “Sideways” is by far my favorite wine movie… primarily because it has passion for wine; but also because we are really invested in the characters and the story is compelling.
My favourite wine movie is A Good Year, watch it one to two times per year. Never get tired of this movie.
"Bottle Shock" is a fun movie that's explicitly about wine. "Sideways" is a great movie that has a wine-theme running through it. I recommend both to wine lovers.
Thanks for recommendations
Love both of these
I've not actually seen this show, but from the clips you've shown here, they seem determined to merge the stereotypical pretentiousness of wine tasting with the hallucinogenic experiences of LSD users.
ha-ha you seem to have pretentiously never tried LSD if u think that.
😂
It's good to remember this is based on a manga, which historically utilize very heightened, histrionic presentation. Whether talking about superpowers, demons, or yes, food and wine, most dialogue is shouted, every prop is displayed like the holy grail, "action" is more over the top than American comic books. The pretentiousness of wine is a perfect match to this style, and the manga is at least somewhat self-aware of this and and uses it as satire as much as seriousness. The TV show is an odd mish-mash of the manga's energy and the more straight forward style of western dramas. It works okay, but I hope they can lean more into the silliness in the future, as the manga does.
Two of my favorite things! :P
A unique grape that be both a white or a red wine?
Pinot Noir has entered the chat.
(I am looking at you, Champagne)
Interesting take, but remember that the series is *NOT* a documentary. It is a fiction based on a comic strip. And like every fictional work, it needs make the narrative tighter, condense the timelines, add drama, and use some well worn theater techniques like repetition and cliff hangers to keep the viewer interested. I personally loved the show and recommend it to anyone who wants to know more about the magic of wine. (PS: I work in a wine store)
Last video you talked about this series, I then decided to subscribe to Apple TV+ and give it a chance. I'm now halfway through it and I honestly absolutely love it. There is obviously a couple of far-fetched scenes like Issey being able to find an exact cuvée by the nose in 30 seconds, but overall it's extremely good. Thanks for recommending!
I really enjoyed this series - great acting, beautiful visuals and solid storytelling. But still, my favourite wine drama is Sideways, which also has great storytelling and acting, but has a lot of humor too. It's super serious about wine, but makes fun of wine nerdiness as well. It's pretty hilarious how it tanked the sales of merlot in the US (that must've hurt some winemakers though, i assume...), but still, "I'm not drinking f'n merlot", continues to be a running gag in our house.
The French series Sang de la Vigne (Blood of the Vine) is a lot of fun. It's about a brilliant enologist, who is also an amateur sleuth, who uses his palate and knowledge to solve wine-related murder mysteries.
Also, the Columbo episode "Any Old Port in a Storm" is a must see. Donald Pleasance plays the best/worst wine snob ever!
You’re way to deliver the deciphered is so engaging 🙏🤗,you’re my favourite !
In the manga the first wine was a Henri jayer (cros parantoux) if I remember correctly and the same event took place with serving a customer in a high end restaurant so they decided to taste another Cros parantoux but from Emmanuel Roumier, Jayer's nephew and protégé. It made a bit more sense than in the show, in my opinion. Also, the cinematics about the main character tasting and discovering a wine with all senses is a superb idea from the mangaka and was one of the best elements of the Manga. I will probably watch this show eventually but I'm expecting to be disappointed, I'm afraid. Thanks for an enjoyable review 😊
Thanks for this. I really enjoyed the series. And also your deconstruction. I think this series is my favourite fictional show on wine, but I would be interested to hear your own recommendations
Please don’t stop this series
Thanks again, Konstantin! Fun show. I also picked up on the glaring error of Unico vs. Cheval Blanc. In answer to your question, easy choice for me: favorite wine-themed show or movie is definitely Sideways!
Lignage was an actual varietal grown in the Loire, but died off due to those awful vine pests. However, that’s not my point. Lignage tasting notes, as described in the video, is way off how a Loire red grape similar to PN or Gamay should taste.
I believe the producer actually wanted to use a different wine but did not get approval from the winery. That wine would be Liber Pater-the most expensive wine in the world and grown in Bordeaux. Liber is made from ungrafted vines grown in Graves. My opinion.
André Gignon is a very talented winemaker. His "Lignage" is just a revelation.
When the cover was whipped off that bottle it should have been Lidl wine 😂
As there are so many movies/shows about wines mentioned here, I also have to shout out my personal favourite: Back to burgundy / Der Wein und der Wind / Ce qui nous lie.
To me, this movie shows wine, its vinification and the people making him in a more realistic and yet also entertaining kind of enjoyment. It's more of a pinot noir who has to tell you something, but doesn't urge for it. It also digs a little bit into the complicated heritage system in burgundy.
Thanks for clarifying so many points that I found odd - to say the least - watching this episode. I have the feeling the manga is actually a lot more accurate on so many aspects than the show.
Just a remark about them focusing only on the flavors, rather than taking into consideration the tasting of the wine: in episode 2, Camille cannot drink the wine, so she has to rely 100% on the smell.
Well a master of wine like you can maybe not identify 100% of wines just by smelling them, but obviously Issei Tomine can 🤣
I watched “sour grapes” about the guy they said was a con artist and created his own wine. I enjoyed it a lot. I’d love your take on how realistic re creating vintages would be?
I like the Columbo episode 'Any Old Port in a Storm' (S03:E02). It is 3 years before the judgement of Paris. Wine in USA is still sort of taboo & weird. Bottle Shock and Sour Grapes are good watches for oenophiles as well.
My all time favorite isn't a wine movie. It is from the 80s and it is quite an obscure one called "stiff competition".
Enjoyed this video. Enjoyed the series. And I agree, I hope that some consumers may become more curious and appreciative of wine after seeing the show. I am a classically trained musician, conductor, educator- those of us in the industry feel similarly when we see movies and series that portray musicians and conductors in unrealistic ways. Simply Google, "how to hold a trumpet", "how to conduct a down beat", "what types of things would one say in a rehearsal?", etc.
Just watched the final episode. Really enjoyed it. I do agree getting the wine facts wrong was poor but unfortunately this happens a lot in many TV series regardless of the subject (they assume their audience does not know the difference).
True. These days they just assume people are stupid. Which, unfortunately, this is typically true for a lot of people in our society. Except that the wine world is filled with passionate and intelligent and knowledgeable people and so that was a very weird mistake to make from the production team... Probably just laziness as usual, sadly.
Hey Konstantin! I really enjoyed your reviews and I have seen Drops of God Apple TV Show completely now. I am glad you made this video because I was not comfortable with some of the aspects of E3. I am about to binge watch it again and I have been recommending it to everyone I know. One question I have is whether you think they will make another season on Apple TV? I have not read the manga books yet but it won't be long. Regarding my favorite Wine Shows...Babette's Feast, Bottle Shock, Sideways, A Good Year! Cheers!
I dont think so ... but you never know!
I enjoyed "Bottle Shock" ! Very down to earth.
My favourite show about wine is actually a Documentary that was nominated to the Goya Awards called “Rioja, la tierra de los mil vinos (Rioja, the land of a thousand wines)” by José Luis López-Linares. My girlfriend (who is from La Rioja) and I really loved it.
Sour Grapes and Bottle Shock are two classics. I also really like the wine episode of frasier. “Hail corkmaster, he is the master of the cork, he knows which wine goes with fish or pork”
A couple things I'd hoped you'd have discussed with the restaurant scene: The bottle on the table when opening has always been a no-no for me. Keep it off the table while uncorking unless you're using a service cart or guéridon. Also when there is wine left in the bottle and both men have empty glasses, that's a big somm fail. If there was still wine, the guests should never have been allowed to run their glass dry. Loved hearing another Somm's take on this series! Cheers!
As a chef. I feel the same while watching The Bear
My favourite is Sideways, obviously. I enjoy merlot, but I still always have to actively resist the temptation to shout 'We are NOT drinking merlot ...'
I was in Burgundy doing a tasting and this American shouted that out in a loud voice and the whole place went quiet. Then few started to laugh. Do not know how Merlot became the subject in Burgundy though!
You are making me laugh. I saw the entire series and the melodramatic style made it camp. I still watched it though because it was about wine. Enjoyed your comments. I enjoyed Sideways because the acting was stellar. Unfortunately, it really did a disservice to Merlot.
I know, I never understood why Miles hated Merlot so much! He also hated Cab Franc for some reason. Love the movie, though.
@@malloryg4251 I thought it was because it was his ex-wife's favorite wine--thus more of an emotional repulse rather than a taste one.
Sideways is my favorite "wine" movie. Cheval Blanc makes an appearance there too.
Fun fact, earlier in the movie Miles tastes a Cab Franc and states he never gets anything from a Cab Franc yet his prize bottle is Cab franc dominated blend. Nice nod to wine geeks!
And the next most used in the blend is Merlot, which Miles also attacks.
Wow! Great to see you’re back in action so soon after the Symposium 👏
What's the music at the end? I really enjoyed it. I read a good part of the drops of god manga and it made me fall in love with wine :D
My favourite show with wine content is definitely Frasier. So much endless namedropping of famous wines.
Frasier Whine Club episode (spelt intentionally) is one of the best episodes of my favourite comedy. Love the brothers tasting battle and Frasier telling Niles that the wine spent less time in the bottle 😆
Somm, very entertaining and informative movie about the journey of four people going for the Master Sommelier designation and the borderline obsession required to even think about giving it a shot.
That one was great indeed!
All SOMM movies were great. I would recommend the TV series "Uncorked" as well. Six episodes of sommeliers attempting the Master Somm exam. Learnt a lot from watching this series
I liked having a snack and wine with your watch-along ^_^ ! I still love Sideways for the funniness. Also Konstantin changing up the wardrobe - I remember when it was all white shirts (which was very efficient and German heck yeah)
That show looks almost as funny as Tommy Wiseau's "The Room." The biggest myth at my place is that you remove the foil at all instead of just pounding the corkscrew right through that sh*t and getting down to business.
I've not seen this except for the clips we've seen herin, and God knows I myself am no expert on either TV or wine, but I don't fancy this. All the melodramatic posturing would have me throwing the remote at the screen before you could say "grippy tannins".. What is the best sherry with almonds? Young fino? Nice one Konstantin. 🌟👍
Sideways - Paul Giamatti’s characters relationship with merlot…which Google says was a 1961 Chateau Cheval Blanc cab merlot/franc
Bottle shock with the late great Allen Rickman is my favorite wine movie.
I've had the pleasure of tasting several vintages of Chateau Montelena and enjoyed them all
Sideways and Mondovino
My friend and his wife think I’m crazy when I describe the flavors I sense in wine. I told them that my sense of taste fall back on all the smell and tastes I’ve experienced in my lifetime. I’ve chewed on roof tar, tasted wet river rocks, chewed on my cedar pencils to taste the graphite, I’ve drunk Currant juice, and more. My friends have NEVER experienced any of those things. I told them I live the expression “Stop and smell the roses”.
Thanks Konstantin! I’ve read the manga (big fan!) and force fed myself the TV series (not so big). I’m glad that you are not going to give any more reviews of the remaining episodes. As you know, there are a few more howlers - both in the plot line as well as on the wine research. Topper was describing a particular rose champagne only as ‘made from chardonnay from various vintages, and from the Montagne de Reims’ That’s it??? No other description? Yikes. But having ranted, I too was really glad to see this series made for general viewing. The more wine entertainment the better!
I think if I was testing these two heirs I would serve them Chateau Special Brew as they obviously would not be familiar with it. Then to add a twist I would filter it through a pair of my two day old socks. Extra points for guessing the make of trainers I was wearing.
For them, drink wine is like eating magic mushrooms
I can totally recommend the documentary Sour Grapes about a high end wines con man. Give it a try...
What have celery and truffles in common: androstenone! That's what the female truffle pigs go for. Probably the reason why she acts surprised and stands still at 8:45. Androstenone is highly concentrated in boars saliva. When the boar sneezes at a sow in heat, she a stands still for mating. Humans, depending on their genetic disposition, describe the odor anywhere from urine to sweet to vanilla, if they can detect it at all.
Fantastic show, I really enjoyed it. The olfactory powers the main characters have are hilariously insane though.
How it is fantastic when almost everything they say is BS? Lmaoo
Funny that you mention where to cut the foil. I have seen sommeliers do it like you at the lower edge of the lip and others at the upper edge. I like to cut the foil at the upper edge because for me the bottle looks better with less of the foil removed.
Btw: My favorite wine show is any show I watch with a really good glass of wine ;-)
Sideways is a fantastic movie with a wine theme!
It seems that over a century ago, Hollywood decided that their target audience was... not experts. Whether you're an expert on wine, art, history cars, computers, finance, sports, what have you, if you have some expertise on the subject and the subject is prominently featured in the movie, you will have a long list of complaints about things which are ridiculously wrong and would have been very easy to get right. Gladiator drives me, and others with some knowledge of ancient Rome, absolutely crazy, and all the more so since the general public hailed it for its "historical accuracy," but the target audience was... not us.
I really enjoyed the show! I watched while I was drinking a bottle of lynch bages 2000 and 2005! Incredible wines
We finished the season here. My wife loved it - not as much a wine geek as me - she's now keen to read the manga. I much prefer the manga as it dives straight into wine talk almost all the time and is far more factual and detailed than the series.
This show is awesome, even though, unlike the manga and the 2009 dorama, it is more about people than about wine itself.
Whenever an expert in any particular field watches a movie or show that revolves around said field, there will be justified complaints about inaccuracies. It’s difficult to willfully suspend disbelief in such cases. I can’t watch the usual legal procedurals the same way others can. I’m glad I don’t know much about wine (though inspired to learn more)! That fact allowed me to enjoy the performances and story - but yes, they should strive to be more accurate in season 2.
I really enjoyed Back to Burgundy. I also really enjoyed the wine documentaries Sour Grapes, A Seat at the Table and Somm.
A Heavenly Vintage - a little bit romantic, on the other hand very relaxing
I think i have seen most movies and shows about wine. My favourite movie is of course "Sideways".
Some of my favourite shows are: Somm, Sour Grapes, Red Obsession, Bottle shock.
When a new wine show comes up,
I literally stop what I'm doing, and I hit the "play" button 😅
ditto 😁
Bottle Shock. Why? Because Alan Rickman portrayed a wine snob so incredibly well! LOL
PS: I had the Wine Spectator issue shown in the movie and remember the drama quite well, especially after the wine scandal around 1974. Ch. Lafite 1970 @ $17/btl. I had a good start!
Thanks for bringing this a little bit down to earth. :-D
Reminds me of why I have some problems with all that storytelling when talking about wines, when it suppresses the more "hard" facts about why this wine is like it is.
Lignage is apparently a grape in the loire region that was apparently revived out of one (the last existing) vine... It is verry rare and slowly regrown by the Puzelats as I read
I really enjoyed Somm, I've watched 3 times...😅
Finally started watching it. I'm 4 episodes in so far. I agree that without tasting you can't know for sure what a wine is. No mention of oak or structure, or even color. Yeah, there are some "legendary" tasters that supposedly could identify a wine from smell alone, but no. With that said, just based on the aromas I was confident it was a Cab family based wine. I mostly ignored the celery root, but I knew we were talking Cab family. I could even see someone use celery root for a Cab Franc. But I also kept saying it had to also include Merlot based on what little information they told us. This as before we were given specific wines to choose from.
So I was at least convinced Bordeaux and probably Right Bank. Then the Vega Sicilia thing? Yeah, a total WTF? So then using all those "hints" I came up with the only possibility given the choices - Cheval Blanc. For no particular reason I went with late 90s. I was going for 97-98. I mean it's a total guessing game at that point when you can't actually do the tasting, but it was fun to use my theory. But at the end of the day it's "Hollywood." ;)
I would love to see you blind taste wine from Malta. Maybe as part of did you know they made wine series.
Personally I'm not disappointed you're not making other vids about this hokum. As for wine movies, it has to be the very quotable Sideways.
Excellent analysis, Konstantin. My BS meter was also pegged. As usual with movie production, “creative license” overrides the facts. Cheers 🥂
I was going to start watching the series "Uncorked". I hope it's good.
I did like this show, however, Red Obsession was my favorite
Yeah that idea that one can identify a wine down to label and vintage based on taste descriptions alone is very silly. I mean if you read the description of five top wine critics rating the same wine I’d bet they’d all be quite different. Also my experience is that the same wine from the same vintage can taste quite different from one bottle to the another, especially after some time. Also depending on the mood and condition of the taster.
Favorite wine tv has to be Oz and James in California. They were the Laurel and Hardy of wine. All three seasons are hilarious and quite informative by the way.
Wanted to ask this and this seems as good a video to ask it on as any. One part of the video talks about the proper way to cut the capsule. I get that this is part of the show of opening wine and I always used to cut it or cut it off completely. Lately I've noticed that for 95% of bottles you can just grip it and give it a twist and pull and it comes right off completely. It's quicker, cleaner, and you can see the whole cork before you open it. Thoughts?
I never used the cutter the way your suppose to with the thumb like ringing around the bottle. I used to like hold it like I was trying to slash a ducks throat. Going for that Foie gras. I almost cut my finger doing it and finally tried it that way and it seems A LOT. safer. lol.
I enjoy these episodes
Good grief! I guess that I'm more of a casual wine connoisseur than I thought. Well, that may be a good thing.
Please do an Amarone vs barolo video!
lignage cepage is actually a real thing. It's back from the dead in Loire valley...
Favorite wine movies? Mondovino may be 20 years old now, but still seems relevant as the discussion and everyone in it cast long shadows over today.
As I was watching the part about celery root / truffle, I was wondering what will be your comment on that. Sure enough it was strange.
If only the question of the day had been "Which do you prefer: Cheval Blanc or Vega Sicilia Unico?" I can´t imagine you´d need much of either to identify each but to get to a preference would be some seriously enjoyable drinking!
That was more a "Whomp, whomp!" moment. 😞 Apple TV has a lot of catching up to do with Netflix in where The Queen's Gambit was applauded for its accuracy to the game of chess, but The Drops of God seems to miss the most obvious mistakes in terms of tasting wines.
Favorite wine movie has to be "Sour Grapes"
Thanks for another great one! I don’t think I will watch this show, but I do like how they want to make shows ok wines. Sideways was the only well made wine move that I can think of. Most wine movies, like bottle shock, are god awful, even hard to watch even as a wine lover.
best docu on wine for me was sour grapes.
Sideways forever.
Are you chewing gum?😂
@@patrickfreeman205 If anyone orders merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any f****** merlot.
I think I was almost waiting for the eureka moment to be, "It's not licorice. It's anise! (or fennel, or star anise). Only one wine tastes of clay and anise and...
I just finished Drops of God and a mixed reaction. As there was plenty of drama, intrigue and suspense in the characters lives, past and present. As to the wine aspect some parts were very cool, like describing the flavors and highlighting small boutique & artisanal family wineries over the big chateaus and big brands.
But other parts were very inaccurate and ridiculous, anyone with Google could have found the answers they needed to make the show more factual. In the credits there was an wine expert mentioned, but either his opinions weren't listened to or he did a very shoddy job.
Even though it's not strictly a wine movie, French Kiss touched on the ability to smell & taste wine, which was pretty cool. A Good Year was also enjoyable, though the novel was far better. Bottle Shock had so many inaccuracies and misrepresented Steven Spurrier, though it was somewhat fun. The documentaries A Year in Burgundy and a Year in Champagne, while documentaries were both entertaining and educational. Thanks for this analysis and breakdown; let's see if there is a season 2.
Same thoughts....even I can tell 99 from 00 bdx most of time blind 😅 just too different to be a close call. Could have chosen a closer pair e.g 95/96
I rarely watch TV but both my wife and I enjoyed this show even though it’s a bit silly and there is a lot of cliché when it comes to French culture. I thought the Japanese guy should have won as he was the only principal character who had honour.
Appreciate your review! After reading the manga series tho I kinda hate how they whitewashed half the characters and didn’t address how elitist and inaccessible the “world of wine” is to the rest of the literal world. My takeaway from the book is that wine is a substance that connects us to the earth, memories, and other people - regardless of the price. The show gets at this a little but would really have appreciated a full Japanese POV on this topic rather than France hogging the “winelight” LOL
I've seen a number of episodes. It starts out with a distinct premise that shows some promise. I was hoping for a tight script that would tackle said premise in various creative and entertaining ways, but instead it quickly peters out into an inert, almost soapy thing that's a dime a dozen.
Honestly, just enjoy watching you watch it. Won't watch it myself lol
I haven't watched, but from the clips the acting seems dreadful. Is it better in the full version?
If only she'd answered "I'M NOT DRINKING ANY FUCKING MERLOT!"
Why is it so hard to adapt it with the source material?
Lignage is a real grape variety :)
That's why the book is so much better!