I think you're right about the air filters. Any designer that would put them under a 4x4 truck obviously doesn't go off road. As for carnage in the other cylinders, I've had valve faces wind up in intake manifolds. Weird stuff happens when engines come apart. Anyway, I enjoy your videos. It's good to see a local guy on here. Hope to see you in zellwood soon.
I never did think it was a good idea to have the air filters under the vehicle. The guys on Detroit Muscle built a car like that and I thought to myself that’s nuts!
Not so much they they are underneath the truck because it’s builds out there like that. That engine wasn’t designed for it. It’s a stock engine built to handle what dodge built it to handle. Hell! Some of them blow up in stock form, less long power adders. If there’s anybody that think it’s okay to do! Well check out this video.
Hey Bruce, I absolutely agree with you with the filters I will not run anything with a K & N filter I pulled my piston out of my quad way too many times with scratches all over it only run foam filters that K&n is absolutely trash
Put a camera under the truck and see how much dirt and water get on those filters, especially when turning left and right. There better rear mounted like an old S&S kit. What you lose in boost you'll get back with cooler temp once it gets to the intake.
Water definitely caused that. The cylinders and pistons look to be rusty. When you got on the throttle, water that was in the intake was forced into the motor, you can't compress water so the rod broke.
I'm a filter specialist. Those filters are no different than K&N wet gauze filters. You can literally hold those filters up to the light and look straight through the filters new out of the box. Believe it or not I said to myself that engine won't last as soon as I seen the turbo system installed.
Sounds to me like u were getting particulates in ur engine that caused the oil passage way to clog up causing that cylinder to overheat and it spun a main rod bearing.
here is what happened seen it before. driving in rain still get condensation in intercooler. especially how that turbo setup is. so, the condensation built up while you were driving it nice in the intercooler and intercooler pipes. in your setup water has to travel up hill. then you got into it and that blower sucked in all the water that has been sitting in your intercooler. then it hydro locked and broke rod then pieces went everywhere including into blower. when you blow up like that piston pieces get sent into your intake and also oil.
I would double check on your spark plugs and make sure none of them let go I think like you said it was sucking up dirt or something maybe somehow little rocks or something was getting past it because the blower's chewed up a lot
A good idea would be to run the filters to the turbos. Run tubes from under the hood and box the filters to the the front. Open filters work but having a close in area helps with air pressure. I good air filter system is made by banks. They do it for duramax for the military and civilian applications.
The twin turbos sucki g air from under the truck is what caused all the problems then pumping all the dirt and crap through the supercharger it is a wonder it hadn't happened long ago 😳 😀
BoostedMotorsports is somebody that you want to get ahold of he's on UA-cam he's into these Hellcat motors. From my understanding he doesn't live too far from you.
Those oiled K & N or Unifilter's are known for letting particles through & they dry out really quickly in dusty environments. Those filters positioned under the car are placed where there is plenty of dust floating about. You'd only have to follow a car down the road to be ingesting plenty of dirt particles. that said, I know first hand that if you give your engine a hard time, especially a stock engine that's not built for burnouts & maximum RPM's under load it's going to fail & rod failure is common in those situations. Even professionally built burnout engine's throw a rod.
I received my pushrod and will it start key chain today !! Thanks brother only way for a poor feller like me to even come close to owning part of a TRX
Wouldnt the top of the piston have been damaged or broken upon hydro locking ? Cap came lost and went through to block but a good look at upper rod bearing would tell if it hydro locked.
Bruce, you don’t have to explain yourself to anyone (I’m sure you know that already). It broke, things break. People are gonna hate, people are gonna not believe things etc…at the end of the day, it’s still views, positive or negative. I enjoy the content, so there’s that. Keep it up man.
Just an FYI Engine Masters on Motor trend did a test with Flex Fuel sensor in an LS with fuel mixes. They did a full 91 pull then a blend of a 47% E85 53% 91 pull (like you had a half tank and filled it). The 91 straight up had 18% Ethanol.. and needed an extra 14% added fuel enrichment when they went to the blended version. BUT when they ran straight California Pump E85, the flex fuel sensor read it as 76% (E76) and had to enrich the mixture by 31%. Just wanted to point out your tune might have been ok, but the fuel was crap per that tune. Personally I can run87 in my truck, but it runs cleaner and pulls harder with 89. So is the 87 really 85 or 86? God knows.
Guarantee the motor would never have blown up if you didn't turbo it. Fact. What makes it even more surprising is you re turboed the new engine again and probably didn't even tune it . Also as if the TRX didn't have enough go in it factory but you had to ask for more. Lol
Wonder if oil got past the catch can sucked into the blower and that one cylinder tried too compress the oil and hydro locked that one cylinder and it threw the rod🤔🤔🤔
I think it was too much boost and it broke a rod from the force you need to check the other rods see if they are bent. But my thoughts is there were too much boost for them stock steel rods and she let go
I can only assume it was a tune issue, that would explain the oil, the engine must have been down on compression causing a lot of blow by, seems as though the engine hydro locked due to oil. The tune could have either been too lean causing detonation/ too rich causing wear on the cylinder walls, either would explain the blow by. That mixed with “dusting down the engine”. The bearings looked fine from what I could see, so it’s definitely not an lubrication issue. Bro I’d recommend reverting to stock and for more power changing your charger pulley and having it tuned properly, I’m sure Dr. Tune Em All would fix you up nicely. It would also make for some cool content.
My bet if you found that much water in your intercooler it sucked in a whole bunch into that one cylinder and snap that connecting rod. It's definitely been Hydro locked. That's why the connecting rod blew
Early ecoboost F150s would stutter and cause driveabillity issues in the rain.. Charge air coolers would collect moisture and engine would suck it in under boost.
Over boost probably broke the wrist pin then the blower pressure would have pressurized the crankcase forcing oil every where. You can see valve marks on the broken piston so there was a few revolutions of the rod pushing the broke piston into the head before the rod went out the block.
I had the exact same failure with my modded supercharger setup. I highly doubt you got enough water in there to cause that. Around 1100 hp these rods start to twist and eventually break. Hopefully you did a forged bottom end this time around.
Honestly i would take the turbos off and port the blower with a smaller pulley. I agree with u and also think the turbos sucked up dirt or water. $12,000 per engine is alot of money when u can be getting the same performance from doin some work on the supercharger and get rid of the turbos.
I’m sure the extra horsepower from the turbos is nice but I’m with you on returning the truck to stock and just drive it. I don’t have any advice to offer on the possible demise of the engine.
Looks like number 3 wasn't burning right by the look of the head. Maybe collapse the rings and started burn oil under light throttle with lots of vacuum. I know if theres oil in the cylinder it will cause detonation while running. Probably had a bunch of oil laying around and when you finally hammered on it, it pick up the oil up and cause high cylinder pressure with unwanted detonation ended with the rod saying see ya.
If i had to take a guess bruce is even driving normal the turbos sucked up too much water off the road from being kicked up off the tires sucked the water into the air filters and water logged the engine and blow the motor.
Never ever put air filters under the truck always put them under the hood and make sure that no dirt or water or anything can get to them and mess them up and make sure they are really good air filters that can handle all conditions
Im just wondering if water pooled in the intercoolers just laying there and collecting while being Grandma and when Bruce came to town he gave it enough Draft to suck it through and make a Grenade
I almost wonder if you had a high speed can error. The one piston screams preignition. The dusting makes sense but that inter cooler should be full of water, and it doesn’t make sense for it to happen at low rpm.
Unless that engine had its factory internals upgraded by a factor of 3 throwing that much boost at it is just building a bomb. That's the smell of inevitability....
You probably suffered engine failure for pre-detonation in the cylinder it’s when the fuel combusts while it being sucked into the engine and during the compression stokes before the spark plug fired this is fairly common in a high boost application like drag racing engines this is why they use such high octane fuels to prevent detonation in the cylinders and the results you have gotten
Yeah, not the water. It was all the mods you had done to it. Take the turbos off of it, tune it and do pulley upgrades only to it. Talk to HelloooimJensen on UA-cam here about what and how much these engines can take. Speed costs, how fast do you want to go?
That is one of the weirdest things ive seen between the rotars in the blower and the damage on the inside im thinking over time sucked up enough dirt n grime weather its a filter being defective under the truck letting stuff thru and maybe mixed with the oil but definetly went thru the filters and then it eventually seized the piston which in turn broke the piston arm and little metal bits bouncing around will break even more things or knock things loose and it will lock shit up quick and cause you were foot to the floor it woulda locked up hole in the block instantly defintely very weird tho
Great video not sure why that happened neither but I do know for a fact stay out of them Unlimited car washes because the water on numerous trucks and other vehicles seem to get the body control modules wet and you will have big problems trying to figure it out
i myself would check the build date see if it was a friday, (i am not saying this to be funny) and i would also check to see if anyone else has had this problem after installing the tubo kit,like your vids
@@larrybe2900 Fitting an aftermarket twin turbo kit feeding the supercharger which added too much boost & remapping the ECU & injectors to supply more fuel to correct the AFR which created too much horsepower for those rods to handle. Simple really.
if you think it got water in it from a monsoon it could be covered under your insurance. i have seen it happen before. it gets a little water in it and it will bend a connecting rod just slightly. it keeps getting worse till that happens.
anytime you have catastrophic damage you will have material get sucked up into the intake/blower from the dead cyl. the oil is coming from the hole with the sideways piston. now what caused it im still trying to figure it out. i am a certified chrysler tech and i hope this helps
I think you're right about the air filters. Any designer that would put them under a 4x4 truck obviously doesn't go off road. As for carnage in the other cylinders, I've had valve faces wind up in intake manifolds. Weird stuff happens when engines come apart. Anyway, I enjoy your videos. It's good to see a local guy on here. Hope to see you in zellwood soon.
It's cause he put twin turbos on it and they are lowwew
Thank god you have the shop and the knowhow to anolize teardown or fix good for you
That's terrible Bruce. .. Thank you for the tear down .
Waz a wealth of information
(Aaron from Alameda California)
Oil seal in the blower let loose maybe? Oil hydro lock?
So cool seeing inside that supercharger!! Definitely banged up good though……absolutely love the content Bruce thank you!!!
I never did think it was a good idea to have the air filters under the vehicle. The guys on Detroit Muscle built a car like that and I thought to myself that’s nuts!
specially an off road vehicle might as well put fuckin street tires on it
I just clicked onto the video not knowing anything about what was going on and..... yeah that does sound like an absolutely terrible idea
Not so much they they are underneath the truck because it’s builds out there like that. That engine wasn’t designed for it. It’s a stock engine built to handle what dodge built it to handle. Hell! Some of them blow up in stock form, less long power adders. If there’s anybody that think it’s okay to do! Well check out this video.
Hey Bruce, I absolutely agree with you with the filters I will not run anything with a K & N filter I pulled my piston out of my quad way too many times with scratches all over it only run foam filters that K&n is absolutely trash
Put a camera under the truck and see how much dirt and water get on those filters, especially when turning left and right. There better rear mounted like an old S&S kit. What you lose in boost you'll get back with cooler temp once it gets to the intake.
Don’t modify the crap outta something still under warranty. You have to pay the stupid tax less often that way.
Water definitely caused that. The cylinders and pistons look to be rusty. When you got on the throttle, water that was in the intake was forced into the motor, you can't compress water so the rod broke.
Need a couple of pre filters on the air filters, won’t let a lot of dust in and will keep all the water out.
I'm a filter specialist. Those filters are no different than K&N wet gauze filters. You can literally hold those filters up to the light and look straight through the filters new out of the box. Believe it or not I said to myself that engine won't last as soon as I seen the turbo system installed.
You and Ryan are the best ever
That engine stand is struggling 😂
Sounds to me like u were getting particulates in ur engine that caused the oil passage way to clog up causing that cylinder to overheat and it spun a main rod bearing.
The turbo’s caused it. It’s a difference in can be done and built to withstand it! The engine wasn’t designed for turbo’s….
here is what happened seen it before. driving in rain still get condensation in intercooler. especially how that turbo setup is. so, the condensation built up while you were driving it nice in the intercooler and intercooler pipes. in your setup water has to travel up hill. then you got into it and that blower sucked in all the water that has been sitting in your intercooler. then it hydro locked and broke rod then pieces went everywhere including into blower. when you blow up like that piston pieces get sent into your intake and also oil.
I would double check on your spark plugs and make sure none of them let go I think like you said it was sucking up dirt or something maybe somehow little rocks or something was getting past it because the blower's chewed up a lot
A good idea would be to run the filters to the turbos. Run tubes from under the hood and box the filters to the the front. Open filters work but having a close in area helps with air pressure. I good air filter system is made by banks. They do it for duramax for the military and civilian applications.
One option you have is go to CO part and check out all of the wrecked Hellcats Try to find one with low miles to scalp the engine out of it.
The twin turbos sucki g air from under the truck is what caused all the problems then pumping all the dirt and crap through the supercharger it is a wonder it hadn't happened long ago 😳 😀
BoostedMotorsports is somebody that you want to get ahold of he's on UA-cam he's into these Hellcat motors.
From my understanding he doesn't live too far from you.
I can't wait to see more videos of reassembling this engine in your RAM Truck Bruce I enjoyed it
There’s a rebuilt motor in it already.
doubt he rebuilds this one, considering he had another one put in already.
Those oiled K & N or Unifilter's are known for letting particles through & they dry out really quickly in dusty environments. Those filters positioned under the car are placed where there is plenty of dust floating about. You'd only have to follow a car down the road to be ingesting plenty of dirt particles. that said, I know first hand that if you give your engine a hard time, especially a stock engine that's not built for burnouts & maximum RPM's under load it's going to fail & rod failure is common in those situations. Even professionally built burnout engine's throw a rod.
90% of people are running the wrong pre filters or no pre-filter at all.
I received my pushrod and will it start key chain today !! Thanks brother only way for a poor feller like me to even come close to owning part of a TRX
Gran video 👍👍👍👍✌
My money is on water logged air filters on them terbski's and you hydro locked it when you stomped on it.
Sounds bout right
I 2nd this.
What about the oil
I disagree.
Wouldnt the top of the piston have been damaged or broken upon hydro locking ? Cap came lost and went through to block but a good look at upper rod bearing would tell if it hydro locked.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the supercharger , and anything mechanic wise ! Always interesting and helps for the next car meet lol
I agree with everyone else, water logged turbos...
Breathers just above the pavement is a no no.
Bruce, you don’t have to explain yourself to anyone (I’m sure you know that already). It broke, things break. People are gonna hate, people are gonna not believe things etc…at the end of the day, it’s still views, positive or negative. I enjoy the content, so there’s that. Keep it up man.
Condensation in the charge air cooler. Ford eco boost had a problem with that
I just placed an order! I can't wait to find out if I'm getting a piece of your blown up engine!
Thanks for sharing Bruce appreciate you buddy 👍
Not sure if you still have any parts left of the motor but i had to grab one of the shirts i haven't seen yet on there.
It hydro locked a motor can’t suck up water. It’s gotta go some where
Just use some duct tape and JB Weld. Put it back together. It will be fine 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cool video man 👍
Just an FYI Engine Masters on Motor trend did a test with Flex Fuel sensor in an LS with fuel mixes. They did a full 91 pull then a blend of a 47% E85 53% 91 pull (like you had a half tank and filled it). The 91 straight up had 18% Ethanol.. and needed an extra 14% added fuel enrichment when they went to the blended version. BUT when they ran straight California Pump E85, the flex fuel sensor read it as 76% (E76) and had to enrich the mixture by 31%. Just wanted to point out your tune might have been ok, but the fuel was crap per that tune.
Personally I can run87 in my truck, but it runs cleaner and pulls harder with 89. So is the 87 really 85 or 86? God knows.
When you got the turbos installed I said they were to low and I had a feeling something would happen to the motor.
Guarantee the motor would never have blown up if you didn't turbo it. Fact. What makes it even more surprising is you re turboed the new engine again and probably didn't even tune it . Also as if the TRX didn't have enough go in it factory but you had to ask for more. Lol
I like your boots and wrangler Bruce
I would suspect if there’s no charge air cooling between the turbos and supercharger. That the hot air caused those rotors to expand and rub.
Wonder if oil got past the catch can sucked into the blower and that one cylinder tried too compress the oil and hydro locked that one cylinder and it threw the rod🤔🤔🤔
I think it was too much boost and it broke a rod from the force you need to check the other rods see if they are bent. But my thoughts is there were too much boost for them stock steel rods and she let go
I can only assume it was a tune issue, that would explain the oil, the engine must have been down on compression causing a lot of blow by, seems as though the engine hydro locked due to oil. The tune could have either been too lean causing detonation/ too rich causing wear on the cylinder walls, either would explain the blow by. That mixed with “dusting down the engine”.
The bearings looked fine from what I could see, so it’s definitely not an lubrication issue.
Bro I’d recommend reverting to stock and for more power changing your charger pulley and having it tuned properly, I’m sure Dr. Tune Em All would fix you up nicely. It would also make for some cool content.
My bet if you found that much water in your intercooler it sucked in a whole bunch into that one cylinder and snap that connecting rod. It's definitely been Hydro locked. That's why the connecting rod blew
yep. hydro locked it and she went boom.
Early ecoboost F150s would stutter and cause driveabillity issues in the rain.. Charge air coolers would collect moisture and engine would suck it in under boost.
Over boost probably broke the wrist pin then the blower pressure would have pressurized the crankcase forcing oil every where. You can see valve marks on the broken piston so there was a few revolutions of the rod pushing the broke piston into the head before the rod went out the block.
Get a ethanol percentage gage so you can tell what your alcohol level is at
And get a tester so you can test at the pump.
I had the exact same failure with my modded supercharger setup. I highly doubt you got enough water in there to cause that. Around 1100 hp these rods start to twist and eventually break. Hopefully you did a forged bottom end this time around.
I think the blower oil seals let go, or the turbo oil seals, and allowed a large amount of oil in the cylinders causing it to hydro lock and fail.
Take the turbo kit off the new engine and replace the air filters if there the same
yo there's water proof covers for your turbo air filters, like a pre filter but it sounds like that's what you need
Honestly i would take the turbos off and port the blower with a smaller pulley. I agree with u and also think the turbos sucked up dirt or water. $12,000 per engine is alot of money when u can be getting the same performance from doin some work on the supercharger and get rid of the turbos.
Pinched the piston rings due to high sylinder pressure and pulled the wristpin out of the piston. Maybe needs looser piston ring gap.
Weston Champlin put the same type of set up on his Trx wonder if he is having the same problems.
I would remove the turbos and put it back to stock
I can’t believe it I got the broken rod cap that blew the hellcat motor itself I feel the luckiest I’ve ever been so happy I placed an order😂
Look into testing the ratio of your e85. You’ll be shocked how some gas stations say it’s e85 but it isn’t actually.
I’m sure the extra horsepower from the turbos is nice but I’m with you on returning the truck to stock and just drive it.
I don’t have any advice to offer on the possible demise of the engine.
Looks like number 3 wasn't burning right by the look of the head. Maybe collapse the rings and started burn oil under light throttle with lots of vacuum. I know if theres oil in the cylinder it will cause detonation while running. Probably had a bunch of oil laying around and when you finally hammered on it, it pick up the oil up and cause high cylinder pressure with unwanted detonation ended with the rod saying see ya.
If i had to take a guess bruce is even driving normal the turbos sucked up too much water off the road from being kicked up off the tires sucked the water into the air filters and water logged the engine and blow the motor.
Never ever put air filters under the truck always put them under the hood and make sure that no dirt or water or anything can get to them and mess them up and make sure they are really good air filters that can handle all conditions
what size air filters on the turbos ill even send you some
Im just wondering if water pooled in the intercoolers just laying there and collecting while being Grandma and when Bruce came to town he gave it enough Draft to suck it through and make a Grenade
I almost wonder if you had a high speed can error. The one piston screams preignition. The dusting makes sense but that inter cooler should be full of water, and it doesn’t make sense for it to happen at low rpm.
Unless that engine had its factory internals upgraded by a factor of 3 throwing that much boost at it is just building a bomb. That's the smell of inevitability....
That was amazing always wanted to see inside one of those hell kitten 😸
You probably suffered engine failure for pre-detonation in the cylinder it’s when the fuel combusts while it being sucked into the engine and during the compression stokes before the spark plug fired this is fairly common in a high boost application like drag racing engines this is why they use such high octane fuels to prevent detonation in the cylinders and the results you have gotten
Yeah, not the water. It was all the mods you had done to it. Take the turbos off of it, tune it and do pulley upgrades only to it. Talk to HelloooimJensen on UA-cam here about what and how much these engines can take. Speed costs, how fast do you want to go?
Hopefully I'll get the block in my order. Lol. RIP to the guy who has to deliver it 😂
If u think it sucked water hydro locked you'll see it in either on top of cylinder or in bottom of pan I think u stretch an broke some rods
That is one of the weirdest things ive seen between the rotars in the blower and the damage on the inside im thinking over time sucked up enough dirt n grime weather its a filter being defective under the truck letting stuff thru and maybe mixed with the oil but definetly went thru the filters and then it eventually seized the piston which in turn broke the piston arm and little metal bits bouncing around will break even more things or knock things loose and it will lock shit up quick and cause you were foot to the floor it woulda locked up hole in the block instantly defintely very weird tho
Hydrostatic lock man , clear as the water that caused it
Great video not sure why that happened neither but I do know for a fact stay out of them Unlimited car washes because the water on numerous trucks and other vehicles seem to get the body control modules wet and you will have big problems trying to figure it out
Could the oil of came from the turbos? If the seals are messed up would they et oil pass through to the intake?
i myself would check the build date see if it was a friday, (i am not saying this to be funny) and i would also check to see if anyone else has had this problem after installing the tubo kit,like your vids
What are the plans for your first truck that u bought back?
Good video bruce, nice tare down too 👍
🙄 Bruce. Remember HAPPY wife HAPPY life. 👌😆👍
Pump E85 is rarely consistent vs can fuel
Can’t be good sucking in air at the most dirty spot and all the road grime, plus water is what I think caused it.
All the engines I blew up in my life time wasn't my fault either !
Never run air filters underneath the truck I ain't never heard that one that was dumb that's why you run them underneath the hood above the motor
Hydro locked piston and compression had to go somewhere
SUCKED WATER IN FROM THE TURBO FILTERS AND HYDRA LOCKED THE MOTOR
Take the turbos off put a big cam and keep it on e85
😆😆😆 not sure if they want a piece of the curse. 😆😆😆👌
Will the heads clean up or are valves bent and have pistons touched the heads???
Was oil pushing past seals in turbos too much oil pressure at turbos
You should get the remaining seven conrods x-rayed for cracks to see if they have fractures too.
Only IMO if there was water in the intake the one that let go was the one that first got enough water to bust it.
@@larrybe2900 Fitting an aftermarket twin turbo kit feeding the supercharger which added too much boost & remapping the ECU & injectors to supply more fuel to correct the AFR which created too much horsepower for those rods to handle. Simple really.
if you think it got water in it from a monsoon it could be covered under your insurance. i have seen it happen before. it gets a little water in it and it will bend a connecting rod just slightly. it keeps getting worse till that happens.
Seems to me like it was hydrolocked. The water from underneath the truck plus the e85 mixed together and couldn't ignite.
A I thought you said he just got out of county 🤣
Time for a snorkel kit instead.
keep the clips coming
Lmao 🤣😂 cause you dining up the crank
Am i crazy does Bruce look alike Elvis Presley 😂
I just placed my order please don't let me down🤞
anytime you have catastrophic damage you will have material get sucked up into the intake/blower from the dead cyl. the oil is coming from the hole with the sideways piston. now what caused it im still trying to figure it out. i am a certified chrysler tech and i hope this helps